Hey guys, do you know anyone or have heard about someone who is in a warrior group?
Meaning like the Castaneda's group of 16 people with the Nagual.
Cause it's getting pretty lonely out here.
Hey guys, do you know anyone or have heard about someone who is in a warrior group?
Meaning like the Castaneda's group of 16 people with the Nagual.
Cause it's getting pretty lonely out here.
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If you find one of those and join it, you're royally SCREWED.
There's absolutely no way there's even a single person in such a group, who actually got our sorcery to work.
You seem not to have done much studying of the books of Carlos and the witches, and are involved in a "first 3 books" fantasy.
This subreddit isn't for pretending, it's for actually learning how to make this sorcery work.
Why exactly do you believe people can just "form a lineage"?
It's not from anything Carlos eve said, or anything written in the books.
I can educate you on the history of sorcery groups if you like, but you could just read all 20 books and publication, and gain a lot of knowledge that's really helpful, once you start to see magical realms.
By the way, when asked the same question you just asked, Carlos said no.
There were none because no one was willing to change their lifestyle.
But at your level, it's not possible to understand what he meant.
This is probably easier for you to understand.
What do you mean by "level"?
It was a simple question.
Do you know, or have heard about a Nagual? Someone helping warriors to change their perception?
For the past 10 or so years I've been practicing alone, finished tensegrity, recapitulated and now I have a fair amount of inner silence and understanding of how the flyer's mind behaves.
I've struggled with dreaming and have been able to find my hands just a few times.
I'm not looking to join a cult, just curious whether there are people on this same path and what are they doing? 😄
Not interested in shady gurus and guidance.
If there are peers who can soberly advise on some parts of the journey I'd be thrilled to have a chat.
You're in a subreddit where there's 3 private students of Carlos helping, and dozens who can now move their assemblage points to the red zone on the map Carlos gave us before he did.
The map came with his instructions that we should learn to move all along this map (move your assemblage point using silence), and then reach Silent knowledge, where we'd get "guidance" from (supernatural) entities.
Which we do!
You just seem to be completely confused and stuck to nothing but pretending, with a touch of self-entitled hostility, likely because you believe this is all make believe, so how can anyone say you didn't do what you claim, and aren't looking fore the real thing.
But in fact, it's hard to believe you've even done the tiny amount of work that you claim.
Here's that map.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/mtfwhb/even_better_j_curve_diagram/
Carlos demonstrated it in a private class, and gave the advice to reach that "purple station" in his copy store bound book, "Silent Knowledge". We've verified everything you see in the pictures, and those who practice daily get to see such amazing magic for hours a night.
Even break the laws of physics from time to time.
You can find the Silent Knowledge publication over here:
https://archive.org/details/carlos-castaneda-silent-knowledge-cleargreen-1996
And here's some cartoons for beginners.
How to learn to "see":
How to reach "the third attention":
How to time travel using our sorcery:
I'll try the chair thing you mentioned in another post. Also check your DM's
that'll work!
Meanwhile you should know, there' snot a single person who has made some kind of "group" who has any real knowledge at all.
I suppose the closest you could get is Jadey who teaches free tensegrity classes, and has workshops once in a while.
But there's no others.
Unless Cholita is up to something in Mexico.
But she certainly wouldn't form a "let's pretend sorcery" group.
That's not a path by which it's possible to learn sorcery.
You MUST learn by a path that worked in the past.
The old seers were given "younglings" as slaves.
That's how teaching took place before the lineages.
The lineages relied on a double being to work,. and they weren't allowed to select their own students, or take volunteers.
Often they took people who were going to die soon anyway.
But whoever they took, wasn't their choice,. and they couldn't teach volunteers.
In fact, they taught using trickery, and the fact that no one can remember what happens in that "orange zone" of that map.
You get there with the Nagual's blow.
Here's what Carlos drew of how that works.
We don't have a Nagual, so we have to move our assemblage point around the outside of the egg, inch by inch using silence.
Processing img gr8wdku3ydwg1...
Sure.
I find it hard to believe that the only organization of today's warriors is inside of the anonymous social media group.
If I'm lucky enough to find other warriors, Ill update this post.
Meanwhile feel free to reach out if you want to hang out.
That's because you have zero real knowledge yourself.
Once you do, what I said in this post will be very obvious.
And god forbid I ever have to hang out with anyone other than Cholita.
Look Dan is very blunt and direct but the truth of the matter is that this group is part of the 0.01% that is actually doing real transformative work that gets real results. There is no pretending, visualizing, repeating affirmations/mantras, etc. everything that you see here is done fully awake, eyes open. If you would like to compare it to anything else, this is the “Illusory Body” practice of Dream Yoga and is not just telling yourself that this world is a dream but actually reaching such levels of focus and silence that you can see the underlying mechanisms of how our perception creates this reality and interact with those mechanics directly.
The best way I can put it is that you’re a weed smoker who hits a joint a few times, gets high every so often or everyday and is satisfied with this high. (This is the general level of meditation or practice that 99% of people are at.) You go around telling people that the point of life is to just be happy and live in bliss until you meet someone who’s done DMT a few times (This is Waking Dreaming/Darkroom) and realize that there’s much more to this than just “feeling good” and is much closer to “freeing/expanding your perception/awareness” something which takes much more effort than just meditating 30 minutes a day or getting lucid in a dream every month or so.
I just wanted to piggy back this even though i by no means have any idea what im talking about outside of my own experiences, when i first joined this subreddit and read through two of don juans books and began to darkroom gaze and try to gain more lucidity in my dreams by finger wiggling (which i still do religiously) though i have no clue how to properly describe what ocurred to me but what is in this subreddit is real. I have practiced shamanism for most of my current lifespan but nothing clicked more or deepened my understanding until i began darkroom gazing. And a step further when i gained what felt like full autonomy in my dreams (though its probably just higher clarity) , my astral projection is much more impactful/ efficient than it used to be. Thats all i gotta say peace be unto you all
Why would they take people who were to die soon?
Do you mean, why did the spirit select them? Or do you think that it was a human decision on who to select?
I have no idea. I guess both? Carlos lived for more than 40 years after his encounter with DJ.
Don Juan has zero interest in your question, very plainly:
"no one can discern the designs of power"
"The double is not a matter of personal choice. Neither is it a matter of personal choice who is selected to learn the sorcerers' knowledge that leads to that awareness. Have you ever asked yourself, why you in particular?"
"All the time. I've asked you that question hundreds of times but you've never answered it."
"I didn't mean that you should ask it as a question that begs an answer, but in the sense of a warrior's pondering on his great fortune, the fortune of having found a challenge.
"To make it into an ordinary question is the device of a conceited ordinary man who wants to be either admired or pitied for it. I have no interest in that kind of question, because there is no way of answering it. The decision of picking you was a design of power; no one can discern the designs of power. Now that you've been selected, there is nothing that you can do to stop the fulfillment of that design."
Alright, it all boils down to the amount of personal power. But why was being close to dying a prerequisite? And why wasn’t that the case later on.
That wasn't a prerequisite.
I was just thinking of how Julian was found, and how La Gorda was found.
Both would have died soon if they hadn't gotten picked up into a lineage.
Others were crazy and unable to take care of themselves, so that they'd end up homeless and die young, if not taken in by the (wealthy) lineage.
Such as Josefina, or maybe even Zuleica and Zoila.
Certainly Cholita...
In Carlos' case, he was a double being male, so they had no choice but to take him.
There's different reasons in each case.
but for their own sake, no real sorcerer would "select" someone to teach.
That puts all the blame of failure firmly on their shoulders.
Thanks
what is a double being male?
It's a male who somehow has the energy of another male, inside them.
There's double being women too.
A double being male can give that "Nagual's Blow" and push apprentices into heightened awareness (the orange zone), where as don Juan said, "real learning takes place".
Real learning does NOT take place in a random group of 16 people pretending to be "warriors".
The lineages required double beings, or they couldn't have existed.
But there's a bunch of those around.
I'd guess 1 in 500.
And if you want to find one, just got to an international airport in Asia.
One will go by eventually.
There's zero chance to get them to join your sorcery quest.
They're kind of conservative, and already "taken" by some organization.
The way Tony Karim was already stuck being a Dali Lama foot kissing suck up.
I've run into 4 double beings that I noticed.
Two men, and two women.
If you want to find one, I suggest sitting yourself down on a bench beside an airport human conveyor belt, and just watching people go by. But you have to be able to see energy to spot them.
They're bright enough so that even if you usually can't see the energy of people, in their case you might very well notice it.
The double beings end up running stuff at a managerial level, and thus get concentrated in airports.
Carlos was a double being, but he also described himself as a bored fuck, but wasn't celibate. What's up there?
Don Juan told us.
Carlos was like Julian.
A horndog.
But this whole thing with "sexual energy IS dreaming energy", while true, doesn't at all mean what you'd assume.
Unfortunately, it's not something that explaining will help anyone understand.
You have to discover that on your own.
And the topic is too tainted with prudish social rules.
Created by the women in my opinion.
Sexual is creative energy. Is it not? While yes contained in the reproductive system the energy by the same means of creating the material necessary for contingency of life also circulates the energy needed for “seeing”
I consider that likely to be a mistaken way to look at it, which arises from not having any direct knowledge of it through actual magic.
And perhaps a bit too "woo-woo" to be of any use figuring this out.
It also doesn't explain why Tony had to have sex with Carol if he wanted to join Carlos, or why I had to have sex with Florinda, to follow them wherever they went with Kylie.
It also doesn't explain how woman manipulate men with sexiness and then reward them with dark energy. If not actual sex.
I can assure you, older men don't mind that at all even though they have no actual interest in trying to bed a young woman. It's the interaction they like.
What you suggest might be half true in the long run, but it ignores this situation in the picture. It takes energy to get all decked up like that, just to pursue taking all of the clothes off again. Imagine if you could transfer that same energy into your sorcery? The assemblage point would move far more naturally and you wouldn't constantly be battling all the social motivations you have for making your sorcery work. You'd be making it work, because you enjoy making it work, with no consideration of how that looks with others.
This young woman knows her mother and father will hate this man, but that won't stop them.
I meant that it seems like a contradiction, if he was a double being (or a pseudo-double being because he actually had three spheres instead of four) but also a bored fuck.
I suppose they simply didn't go into that much detail about this topic.
But fortunately, we get to "see" this eventually.
My theory is that double beings are merely dead twins, or dead prior womb inhabitants.
So that it wouldn't be connected to boring sex so much as a dead sibling who wasn't dead long enough to leave the womb.
But took a ride out once a new body came along.
We already know that awareness needs a container, or it dissipates.
So if a child died in the womb, maybe there's no reason it couldn't stay there a year.
But that's just my theory.
I'll add that after the death of a sibling, woman isn't going to be as eager to make a new one, as she might otherwise have been.
So maybe most double beings are from "bored" sex.
Don Juan also was!
Ok, suppose this:
There was twin in embryo stage in a womb. One of the embryos died.
Now, because it was an embryo the parents didn’t really notice, and they still got the supposed baby anyway.
Then they got another child after.
Does being embryo still create a double being? Is the double being the one that was an embryo twin or the second child?
I'm not following that.
If both live, no double is created.
If one dies while still inside the womb, then there's the possibility that its energy stays in there (the purple puffs), and merges with the next child.
this also brings up the possibility of a TRIPPLE being...
Let's calculate the possibility. I'll ask ChatGPT how often there's a still born.
1 in 175...
But it's not going to automatically ALWAYS create a double eing. The energy has to somehow stick around. We don't know the odds of that, but let's say that the rate of double beings is 1 in 500.
Just because I somehow calculated that 8 years ago. I don't recall how.
So how often is there a TRIPPLE being?
That would take a woman having 2 stillborn children in a row, followed by a successful birth. And then increase the rarity by 4 times the rate we did to get from 175 to 500, under the assumption it's 4 times as unlikely energy will stick around, when there's 2 dead babies passing through.
ChatGPT said it was hard to calculate, but perhaps 1 in "several thousand".
Several is at least 3.
So 1 in 3000.
Then downrate that by *4 because you have 2 cases of the energy sticking around, and you get:
Potentially 1 in 12,000 is born a triple being.
But maybe those seem broken? Like an extremely autistic child.
All just theory, but let's keep an eye out for a triple Nagual!
Thank you for the info on a triple being, I was curious about that before!!
But I explained everything confusing. I’m asking about 3 individuals, but one of them dies. Let me try again, it’s sort of the question if it must be a simultaneous creation or posterior.
Suppose this, the mother is fertilized with twin embryos, but one of the embryos dies. Then only one of the embryos is born as a human.
Then, the mother is fertilized a second time.
Is the double being the one from the first fertilization or the second fertilization, post-lonely-singular-twin-birth?
Assuming my theory is true, I guess we don't know.
But it's more likely that the dead twin goes out with it's live twin.
UNLESS, the live twin exits first and there's some delay before the one still in the womb dies.
I actually know a double woman who was in that situation.
I know a case like this in real life. But the “UNLESS condition” isn’t true in this case. And because the twin counterpart died at the embryonic stage.
How can my friendo know if he’s a dooble if seeing is out of the question?
Sounds like an attention seeking ploy so you shouldn't take it seriously.
But look at how they live their life! You can spot a nagual type.
Just keep in mind, one of the worst bad guys in our community, John O'Neil, who freaked out back in the 90s when he didn't get into private classes and started pretending he was a "nagual", misleading anyone who fell into his social media traps, is still on that make believe path even 30 years later, having learned nothing at all.
He just sort of "flipped out" lately and is making up other fantasies about being a Nagual. And about people around him being Naguals.
Never actually doing any work to learn.
Ok, so it’s best to ignore/forget this, and not go crazy like that guy. I’ll forget this.
The dead embryo is veritable though I think.
But I’m not sure I can analyze how they live their life. The whole “being a mess” and also “dominating everyone they associate with” is contradictory to me and makes no sense.
I’d just find it would be a “fun fact” if whatever was the case. I’m not really “Nagual obsessed”. I’ll forget all of this. Ok, thank you!
I didn't realize the death of a prior child in the womb, was the reason for your curiosity.
I think it's a valid reason to keep an eye on it.
But the rate of dead child awareness hanging out in the womb long enough to come out on the next child, is unknown.
And we also don't know if that's the actual mechanism for a double being.
It wasn’t really a “child” but a few weeks old, maybe not even an embryo.
How do we know when a fertilized egg has already developed “awareness”?
A seer at don Juan's level could likely "see" it.
Remember, the old seers learned that the assemblage point can move, by watching sleeping people and asking them what they were just dreaming about, when their assemblage point moved to an unusual position.
I'm of the opinion that this explanation from don Juan is misleading but I don't recall exactly why I think that. I'm sure it's true. But I'm convinced the reason they were trying to "see" that, was more about their own experiences.
Whatever the reason, they could see things in amazing detail.
But we don't have anyone around with that much skill.
I asked about awareness to try and calculate the probability of there even being a double being in the case described.
There’s also the unknown percentage chance of the double being, being one person, or the other.
That complicates things a lot.
But I have a theory!
You know there was a new scientific research on how ovarian cells can “choose which sperm” to let it fertilize it.
What if the awareness of a dead embryo/foetus can “choose” what to inhabit. Like, remain in the womb or embody the other “alive” twin. Maybe the dead twin awareness can choose to gamble and stay in the womb longer to see if something else comes along, or just use the mother as a “host”.
Anyways, too many factors to take into account.
That's certainly possible.
In my opinion, the most likely place the death defier is occupying in Carol, is her womb.
Even if we found a dooble being, there’d be nothing to do, except motivating them to practice right?
We don’t have the nagool’s blow, so that would be a no no.
Nor do we have a lineage to brainwash them into taking care of everyone, correct?
So a dooble being would essentially, still be “useless” for the current present conditions?
And it would be virtually impossible to motivate a double being to practice enough to move their assemblage point. They typically believe they've already found a good purpose in life. You'd have to catch one at 60+ years old, which is when the lie we tell our children about "happily ever after" starts to wear off in people.
60+ is too late for a double being to be of any use.
The lineages never made that work. Nor did the old seers.
They just forced the double to learn, using the Nagual's blow.
We're basically all alone on our path. Unless Jadey's efforts to increase energetic mass work out.
They didn't for Carlos. But his time was cut short.
On the other hand, we have modern technology. That might make better connections between random, serious practitioners.
How prevalent is this with Gen Zoomer and Alpha though?
I feel like sometimes somes individuals will naturally AVOID the “happily ever after” up to an age after the family-hazing period, but somehow get it brainwashed/beat into their skulls in a later in moment in life, because they don’t find anything like real magic…
Or sometimes create “alternative happily ever after” myths for themselves.
Good point. The latest generation might not have the same delusions.
I had a similar question.
Another thing to consider is Don Juan gave Carlos the secret testicle concoction.
Well, I can absolutely confirm thatmy dream awareness quality is diametrically different when I am in celibate vs when I had a recent sexual encounter. The difference is so tremendous that I actually picked up on if quite early on in my journey.
As DJ says, your peepee is just for peeing!
I've been celibate for 30 years so I can't really comment on that.
But just because you experience what you do, doesn't make it "woo-woo" in nature.
It can still be mostly motivational.
Here's an example.
Doing business in Asia requires becoming familiar with how the local businessmen behave.
In Thailand, where men have all the sex they want with no hassle, there's no hurry to get things done.
Having all the sex they want makes them less aggressive businesswise.
I am not following you. What is it that you are trying to say? Besides, Chinese people are inherently different. Heck, there are even extreme differences between Chinese depending on the geographical region.
That sex motivates people in crazy ways, which have nothing to do with "energy".
It's biology.
And if you can free up the obsession with finding mates, that is the actual "sexual energy" that is used for dreaming.
Your intent.
Not your sperm.
I get it, but there is also the feeling of exhaustion after having coitus. I know that elite athletes are not allowed to have sex before important games.
I suppose we won't really know until someone can "see" it.
Can’t you?
I cAn't tell what you're talking about, because reddit isn't showing it, and I've answered maybe 15 questions today.
But I'll assume it's something super difficult that you're asking about.
I get to "see" for hours most nights, and at least a half hour on nights when I'm too busy.
I'm up to my ears in magic!
But "seeing" isn't the same as "see it".
I've explained this before, but I'll repeat it.
You "see" when your assemblage point comes into alignment, with that of your energy body. That's a huge feat! You have to pass through the green zone, then the red zone, then the phantom zones of heightened awareness, and finally get your assemblage point over to the right of your navel, and between the navel and the bottom of the stomach.
You can't miss it!!! All along the way once you pass the meditative effect green zone, is AMAZING magic.
But how many things in the universe are there to "see"? Especially since seeing includes all of time and space, as long as it's in the human ranges of perception.
There are 100000000000000000000000000000000000000 things to "see".
ChatGPT calculated it for me.
So how do you find the one you want to "see"?
You have to have a "need" that's beneficial to others on your path.
That helps get "the spirit" to energize that.
You have to have no other "concerns" in your mind at the time.
None!!! Those are even below perfectly stopping your internal dialogue.
You can stop it, but still have "concerns" that are energizing all sorts of things.
So for instance, I'll never get rid of concern over what Cholita is doing in Mexico.
And to see something exotic you have to be utterly empty.
Of course, you get to see random exotic stuff daily, not not something specific.
Even don Juan and Silvio Manuel made mistakes in their seeing!
Real magic is very difficult.
How did they know whether they made mistakes or not?
They didn't until it was too late.
They saw that Carlos was a double being, when he was not.
That destroyed their lineage!
And they saw that La Gorda was one type of witch, a type they needed to make a proper group to replace them, but she wasn't.
So it wasn't just Carlos that spoiled their seeing.
It's in the storyline where they dropped Carlos naked into a bucket of ice water, and "saw" him for hours.
Still didn't get it right.
If you work hard, you'll get to see, ALL THE TIME.
But that doesn't mean you'll see what you badly need to see, when you badly need it.
This is real magic, not pretend magic from a story.
And it's so difficult that we mess up...
Damn it, so there is no way of knowing with certainty whether our actions are intent-approved?
Actually that's fairly easy to know once you get serious and are able to "see".
But you don't have to "see" it. You just know intent approved behavior.
Essentially you stop being a totally out of control idiot, or you'll never reach silent knowledge.
Wait, how is that in accordance with what you said previously about dj and manuel making mistakes.
I was talking about how in order to learn to see in Silent Knowledge, you have to fully stop your internal dialogue.
That's what makes you conform to intent.
Doesn't mean you always win in everything. Just that if a mistake happens, it was outside your ability to see what to do.
There's a good example in the books where Carlos starts testing what don Juan can use his seeing for, and comes up with the example of a man with a telescopic rifle, hiding far away and waiting to kill him.
Don Juan answers that if t here's something his seeing can't reveal to him, then that's his fate.
But then adds when Carlos insists that makes seeing of no use, don Juan says that in that situation, he simply "won't come around".
It seems like you've got more fantasies going, than actual work to learn sorcery!
It makes me wonder if you're after magic, or social interaction?
I don't really care, but if all you want is to socialize, you'll never learn sorcery.
Best to switch to Catholicism where socializing is all it's for.
I was almost going to ask you if you were alright. Considering the overly constructive tone in contrast to your usual response. Now I see that you are doing just fine.
Anyway, the question of fate does bother me a lot. Don talks about it in many instances and it appears to be that we are only able to control so much. You could be impeccable all you want, but if it’s not meant to be, you are cooked. What bothers me is that his statements on fate and destiny are quite inconsistent. So I have no idea how to discern the truth from messing around with Carlos.
I don't see any contradiction. It feels more like you've got the "Superman effect" big time.
Which is entirely due to not actually having seen any real magic yet.
So you have to fantasize about how it will feel when you do, and it harms your fantasy to think you won't be invulnerable like Superman.
I guess it's a little like a Jesus freak being told that Jesus can't actually save most people, because the whole thing is random and God is too finicky to predict.
Because teaching someone who doesn't realize what sorcery really is, is a bit coercive.
In some ways you could say it's harmful to them. You pretty much destroy their normal life.
Look at don Juan. He even tried to quit and go back to a normal life, but couldn't.
That creates a debt on the part of seers, who don't like such things because they rip away part of you, when you try to keep your awareness past death.
Don't overlook that sorcery in a lineage is taught in secret, and the stuff our OP is thinking about, is just nonsense designed to keep you entertained and sticking around.
So to make up for basically "date raping" their apprentices, when the previous lineage leaves, they blow the whole thing up in anger, so anyone who likes can curse them, and leave.
In the case of Carlos, we lost 97 people, and only 3 survived.
Maybe 4...
No one who has actually gone very far in sorcery, would "teach" someone else the way the OP thinks is possible.
We don't do that in here...
In fact, myself, I'm deliberately rude to new people if they obviously don't have any knowledge yet.
Best to get new people to go away as soon as possible, unless they're willing to fight to stay.
How is it harmful when this is the only path and the only chance a human being has? What debt on the part of seers? What part gets ripped when you try to keep your awareness past death?
What does it mean to “blow whole thing up in anger”?
Because the chances of anyone on this path succeeding outside a lineage, are pretty close to zero.
No one is willing to change their lifestyle, and most aren't willing to do actual real work.
Random people might be better off to become a catholic, and believe God will save them after death.
At least you'll have plenty of people telling you that you're doing the right thing.
But to try to be in the middle, realizing there's real magic in the world and religions are obviously just bad people stealing from others, is not a good thing to know if you have no chance to actually learn.
As for what it means to blow everything up in anger, it's in Eagle's gift.
That's part of "The Rule".
Which Carlos engineered for us too!
Read that book again if you don't remember.
I was aware of that happening the instant things started to fall apart, on the death of Carlos.
And painfully aware I was likely the one who got stuck trying to get the apprentices back together.
CCs line of naguals was ultimately last one (traditionally).
I'm a foreigner here our intent is not the same
"It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that thinks deaths' honesty
Won't fall upon 'em naturally
Life sometimes must get lonely"
-And that's only Bob Dylan