If you focus 80% of your efforts on stopping your internal dialogue, the other ups and downs that make your practice sessions better or worse, won't matter in the long run.
There's all sorts of "boosts" that can happen by accident. And to take advantage of those, you only need to stop your internal dialogue well enough, so that you don't waste a golden chance.
One such "boost" happens when you wake up at night to practice, and your assemblage point is in a "favorable position".
Don Juan alerted us to this fact. My guess is that this is what triggered the old seers to conceive of the assemblage point.
You can "see" without noticing the assemblage point!
But you would CERTAINLY notice when your "seeing" discovered a new and super cool aspect of reality.
So the old seers likely became obsessed with trying to take advantage of dreams from which you wake up, with what seems to be infinite power.
And "saw" the assemblage point, and how it moves in sleeping dreams.
Last night I woke up at 3AM, not wanting to move at all.
But I did anyway.
And because I didn't feel like jumping around yet, to do my tensegrity, I tried the "lazy" movements.
Such as rubbing under your chin.
I was shocked at the results.
This picture doesn't even come close to capturing what I saw.
It's just not possible to draw "the dimension of reality depth".
But you'll become very familiar with it, if you manage to stop your internal dialogue.
I suppose, though I don't like to say it, if you ever practiced meditation you know about seeing depth, with your eyes closed.
That's the "green zone" on the J curve, version of what you see here. Not really much to brag about, but it's along the same line as this. Just still stuck at the starting line.
The "depth" opens up, and if you can stop your internal dialogue the alternate realities in front of you begin to assemble.
This tensegrity technique helps those to assemble by giving them energy through your fierce gaze.
It's on one of the DVDs.
Likely the first one.
For the sake of beginners, this is done with the EYES OPEN, fully awake, and completely sober.
I have to add that, or someone will misunderstand my statement about meditation, and assume they can fake this up with closed eye meditation.
If you do that, you'll never learn sorcery!
Nor can you learn this asleep, even inside "lucid" dreams.
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Man….ive been at the starting line for over a year. False starts galore, and when I break and sprint down the J curve, whistle gets blown by internal dialogue and I’m called back to the starting line…..
When I can’t get my self together, I look for the depth of that reality tryna get pulled deeper into silence.
It's always about stopping the internal dialogue!
If the results are dissapointing, that's the problem.
Fortunately we get "help", so that if you make a serious effort, it seems to pay off and you can get the mistaken impression that you've finally stopped it enough to get vivid results.
But it can turn out later that all you got, was some help.
And if you don't work even harder you lose even that help.
Don Juan said you have to "work like a dog", and then the next time you have to work even harder.
But don't anyone worry. Once you really can stop your internal dialogue, you don't have to "work like a dog".
You have to "work like an explorer".
A lot more fun than "working like a dog".
Can’t wait for explorer! I’m working like a dog for those rare times I’ve gotten to explore.
Didn’t mean to sound boohoo me. I know it takes us years to get off the starting line. I’m a product of my own doing cause I’ve done very little to no recap. I need that energy to move on the J curve.
you probably already know, but just in case you didn’t. a 28 day recapitulation challenge was started on 6th of may by jadey.
yt intro:
see: https://conocimientosilencioso.com/page/desafio-de-recapitulacion-de-28-dias
I didn’t know.
Thank you.
So how does this chin rub look like? Is there a video with movements?
DVD 1, first movement, "Helping the flow of immunity".
I remember seeing this while doing this particular pass (photo 👇) but in the deep green zone at the beginning of the red zone.. Tensegrity has amazing results..it is multi-level with many benefits..
That's your energy body liking the situation!
yes! I recently started taking advantage of this and I started wake up at night to practice. At first I had great difficulty but now it happens on its own sometimes even from iob.
Here are some useful notes I found in one of your old posts. They directly relate to Vol 1 passes:
At this workshop, it was said that all passes from the video 1 should be practiced every day. And emphasis was made on pulling the energy hole down and back when doing the "reaching the energy hole above the head" pass. It was also stated that when the palms open to touch the thighs you are exchanging the energy you pulled down with personal history which is usually stored in the legs. You then thrust it away into infinity with both the arms, eyes gazing up, and stomach. Hold while it flies away, but break gaze quickly at end to avoid bringing it back.
On ball of energy, the initial movement where right hand is on top in the video and switches to left hand on top for preparation of holding ball was done on each of the three sets instead of just the first.
On the part where hand is to mouth exhaling at top, do an extra inhale and exhale before thrusting it up. And break the gaze quickly there too to avoid pulling terminal downwards.
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I recently started doing Vol 1 passes twice a day (afternoon & during my main session 3-4am) I figured my day at work and home with family can be a bit busy, uncrusting energy during the day could be beneficial.
Darn...
I suppose I need to go back and do those passes for a while.
I'll have to look up whether you can put a "backup" of your purchased DVD, on archive.org.
As I recall, that was settled in court nearly 30 years ago.
You can back up media you own, on the internet.
They might still try a DMA takedown, but you can protest it and state that it's a backup.
DVD1 on archive . org would be useful.
It was from this post of yours-
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/jfm021/gift_to_maui/?share_id=dT-rQeZzO-tdqnvHoyZ4G&utm_content=2&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
the tensegrity dvd is there already and is available in different formats. one of them is the iso image. to avoid a direct link, i used the link lock service with a password ( a hint is given and its a word which is very often talked about here. it begins with a s.)
https://jstrieb.github.io/link-lock/#eyJ2IjoiMC4wLjEiLCJlIjoicUZlaFdqT0h3OC9wSTZ5Z3RqcWxPcEQyMnlWdGsxVC82MlFsdnN2QzhBOFdrQWFIRFordk1YS0gzZEN6elpQR2p6cGU2ZCtyZU5vYVlRPT0iLCJoIjoid2hhdCBpcyB0aGUga2V5IHRvIHNvcmNlcnkgKG9uZSB3b3JkIGFsbCBsb3dlcmNhc2UpPyIsInMiOiJ4Rm5jUHk4ODdnV1FhWnRSTm1CMjJRPT0iLCJpIjoiR2NqaXdYM28xL0ptUnQrRCJ9
I just hope the videos exist somewhere, in 500 years.
By the way, flash drives aren't permanent by any stretch.
They're charged capacitor storage.
After 10 years, it'll all be gone!
I suspect you have to read it all and then rewrite it to save it.
personally, i store most of my data permanently on external hard drives - a fantec enclosure with two 3.5-inch hard drives where the data is mirrored (raid 1).( i don't use usb sticks for backups, but now i'm concerned about my switch sd game cartridges.)
however, i’m always playing catch-up, and if my laptop suddenly doesn't work anymore, i’ll will lose some data (the macbook has an ssd integrated into the motherboard).
the fantec was cheap (in comparison to professional raid systems with >=4 harddisks) and, of course, only protects against the failure of a single drive; in such a case, i’d have to hurry to copy all the data from the other healthy drive onto a new, similar system with 2 new drives. the data isn’t encrypted in any way and remains readable when a drive is removed and installed in another system. that’s an improvement; i used to have a similar system from western digital, and only later did i realise that if the enclosure itself breaks down, i’ll never be able to access the data again, even if the hard drives themselves are still working, because the data is always encrypted by the enclosure itself and there’s no way to disable that.
If they're "solid state" drives, the data will be gone in 10 years unless entirely rewritten.
If conventional magnetic disk drives, it might last 15 years, but that would be considered the top end of the range.
Thus it's possible that keeping it where it's considered valuable for future AI training, and might be preserved by large companies, is the best strategy for now.
I keep reading about "1000 year storage", but so far it doesn't seem to be commonly available.
We're really fortunate that people considered everything Carlos and the witches said, to be valuable enough to take notes on, and share them.
Carlos kind of frowned on it. He also discouraged video taping magical passes, which was a very bad thing.
We've lost half of them as a result of that phobia!
Carlos himself ought to have seen to it that Cleargreen video taped all of them, as they came out!
And if it was a strategy to keep us focused on actually learning, which we know in this subreddit is a big problem, it didn't work...
Little Smoke is the one who saved all this knowledge.
I can't help but wonder if little Smoke hasn't been around since the old seers.
And the truth is that the individual magical passes are worth their weight in Rhodium...
I was using Zuleica's pass last night, to try to solidify my view of that "tentacle body" thing. That after manifesting things with Pandora's box.
We still don't have good knowledge of what that tentacle body view actually comes from. Which assemblage point position. And which copy of us.
But when you can view it in a sustained fashion, typically triggered by doing magical passes which make it wave the tentacles, it's certainly something you'd like to learn to perceive all the time.
It's like an "early warning system" for what a person you're observing, is about to do.
Is there anything one can do with those in between states? When you can sustain a view of the tentacle body with relatively low levels of silence. Deeper silence? It's been a while since I've "gone all in" with the everything I've learned here. Despite all I've experienced thanks to Castaneda and this subreddit, I still find it extremely hard to practice. So weird that some part of me is probably still terrified, despite experiencing all the magic firsthand.
I've also seen the tensegrity video that Jadey has done for the dreaming series. Can we really force the assemblage point down or throw it like a knife? We can make it that malleable with silence? I need to focus on those this time around.
Thanks ahead for any guidance.
If the Tensegrity does it according to Carlos, so can you.
He wouldn't put anything you can't learn to do, in the forms.
I've done a bunch of stuff even weirder than "throwing" your assemblage point.
Keep in mind, in perfect silence nothing actually makes "sense" in the way we normally think about it.
It's all random specific flows of emanation interactions, likely influenced by past usage.
But ANY OTHER flow could in fact take place, which you get to see if you keep working hard. You'll run across "irrational timelines".
In dreams, we don't care! We chase the dog who stole our wallet, and when it turns out it's a rabid beaver who has your donut in its mouth, while a strange woman begs you to let the beaver eat the donut, we don't blink an eye.
Meaning and order are arbitrary, even if they seem absolute and unchangable.
As for "is there anything you can do with...?"
We just don't have answers like that, unless we didn't notice them in the books.
Carlos got us on the right train tracks, but we've gone past where he explained in workshops (but not in the books). Here's our situation:
Can you say then that perfect silence almost feels like being in a dream where you just witness and even participate in things that unfold in front of you but it does not even occur to you to question it's rationality?
Sometimes.
But asking won't help you learn it. You can only learn it, by practicing it.
There's no "tips" that work in sorcery. Why becomes obvious, once you can "see".
It's as if sorcery is off in a direction no one can possibly look. So you can't tell them to look there. Or even how to look there.
If you were a genius in figuring out "tips", your tips for the men would be worse than harmful for the women.
And tips for the women don't work for the men.
But the worst thing about tips is, people pretend they got the tip to work.
They use the tip as an excuse to pretend their results.
Keep in mind, no one has ever learned b y our method.
By their own power.
The old seers took child apprentices, who followed them around everywhere. So they just absorbed sorcery, especially able to, since they were still small children and didn't have a strong sense of what's rational and what's not.
The new seers could get their hands on child replacements for a lineage. People tended to frown on giving away children, once civilization evolved (to around 800 years ago).
So they had to have a double being leader,. who could push apprentices directly to the orange zone.
Where you CAN indeed see in the right direction.
We're basically screwed and on our own.
So the "new strategy" for learning sorcery is, show it to as many people as possible using electronic communication, and see who's willing to work hard enough to stop their internal dialogue.
Which doesn't guarantee they keep going on, once they see that don Juan was right and it is indeed cold out there, in sorcery realms. The question at that point is whether you really wanted the amazing magic, or if you only wanted it to get fame.
According to don Juan, most people go back to their normal life and give up forever.
Thank you Dan, this answer is amazing and appreciate each of your input and guidance. But I was not looking for any tips. Was looking for indications that I am on the track more or less. ( woman here ) Struggling with my process, I get to see amazing lights and abstract things in dark room. I start seeing violet puffs in about 2 minutes of gazing at darkness, which then evolve into swirling puffs, violet mixed with red, the black swirling with violet, many blue dots and sparkles, mint green, pink and magenta, bright red dots. Then I see a violet moving fog and some white wispy light that plays around and sometimes creates vague figures of things, sometimes it forms birds in flight, one time I posted about the zombie faces, but the rest of the times are vague things that look like they might be a face or something else and 98% of the time look like vague abstract "shapes" that look like they are formed out of white over the violet. And even if the colours are super bright and very dynamic I almost never got anything so concrete as what you describe appearing in front of me. So I am assuming is cause of my internal dialogue, which was the reason for me asking how it feels. I struggle a lot to shut off my internal dialogue, but a lot! Actually the more I stay in darkroom the worst my internal dialogue goes, is opposite as what other practitioners describe or as you describe that by longer period you manage to control more the internal dialogue. I have a period of about half an hour at the start where I am focused and mind is more relaxed and mostly keep things more in check, but then my mind starts to go, I get frustrated and then I loose the battle. So I feel I do not advance at all. I do not care about the fuzzy normal day to day feeling, I want that cold world and I am sticking to it. Just wanna make it work.
Don't worry if you're on the right track.
That's probably just the internal dialogue trying to make you stop.
There also seems to be some odd thing where a person might push and make progress, but then hit some kind of wall, and worry.
A normal thing in daily life, which seems to have created a pattern in our overall behavior, even during darkroom.
But the wall actually helps you make more progress trying to overcome it, than the times when you easily get to see super cool magic.
Because in fact, what matters most is that part don Juan said about, "work like a dog, and then the next time work even harder!"
We're pushing the boundary of how hard we can work without tiring out.
Such that the boundary expands into your daily behavior, teaching you to do better to save energy.
Having off days is kind of like the "darkroom petty tyrant".
I always remind myself, you haven't finished until your internal dialogue is off all the time.
All day long.
Thanks Dan, I so much appreciate this! Makes complete sense, and is obvious that you need to extend your practice into your daily affairs because otherwise we do not get enough time to battle this petty tyrant and we need to become so discipled to do that! Makes so much sense! Thank you!
You can use darkroom to extend it into your daily world, by learning to stop the internal dialogue so well, that the puffs form on flat surfaces (and the sky).
I suppose you could even materialize the passages which manifest in Silent Knowledge, during darkroom.
I was gazing down two around 2AM
Wondering if I could get those to show up at my business park.
Despite gazing at them a long time, I couldn't see any difference between the corridor going away on my left (east), and the one going away on my right (west).
The difference between energy on the left and right escapes me so far.
But it's all super cool!
Back in the "good old days" Cholita would have shown up, and walked right down that corridor. Too fast for me to keep up.
Please do tensegrity in darkroom and do some recap too. Also try to do silence within the day
Thanks Athina! Yes, I will try to put in more time and effort. I struggle with anxiety for a long time now, so my internal dialogue is running like crazy almost all the time, but doesn't mean I can't overcome it. I was reading through the reddit and the more I read the more it became clear to me that if stopping the internal dialogue is not enforced on a continuos basis throughout the day, chances are very slim I will be able to control it when I gaze or do any practice. It makes no sense, we can either stop it ( or reduce it ) or we cannot and waiting for the nighttime and the few hours of practice won't be enough...
I should have added, the knife thing is a lure to make your assemblage point shift horizontally.
That type of activity is best done with an Ally, which can make it VERY real looking.
On your own, you're more likely to "know" it worked.
Very disappointing...
However, when you "just know it worked, and don't need to actually see that visually", you have access to the weirder stuff.
Such as, "Someone else threw their assemblage point and it worked."
Even more disappointing?
Although over time, you become very interested in those "someone else" timelines.
Because YOU are the someone else in the timeline.
You threw your knife all right, but it's definitely not what you expected.
>I'll have to look up whether you can put a "backup" of your purchased DVD, on archive.org
>They might still try a DMA takedown, but you can protest it and state that it's a backup
There is a whole backup of reddit and all videos linked in it. It's 1.5 TB. If you have that much, you can host it online too. It's already available online on a small local server, but if there are more people who are able to host this backup online the better.
I'm more worried about 100 years from now.
None of us will be around, but it would be nice if the information wasn't lost.
And I am worried about now-now... Do you have 1.5 TB to host this too? https://castaneda.divineforge.online/ It has all videos and your animations and pictures and everything that was ever linked
In light of what happened, I'd like to make a backup first and explore various options of what to do next
Not on any computer I can use. Only on my expensive company owned computer that has $250,000 worth of software on it.
Here's something which needs a post, but it's an incomplete idea and it would take too long to draw it up.
Not-doings can control amazing magic, without interfering with it.
I was manipulating "videos in the air" last night, using my hand.
A modified version of Taisha's Esalen not-doing #1.
If I'd tried to manipulate them using "hope" (where you hope it will do something specific next), the dreaming energy would burn off fast. It's close to impossible to merge Tonal concerns with manipulation of the Nagual, without making the event end too soon.
But by using something which makes no sense, and thus has no connection to your internal dialogue, I managed to gain substantial control over the scene, and hold it for 20 minutes.
If you think about it, at the end Carlos introduced not-doings as a possible solution to his failure to have taught anyone, before he died.
Perhaps he realized that something which doesn't bring too much of our internal dialogue into an activity, mainly because the activity makes no sense at all to the rational mind, could end up working better with the women.
I believe that this specific no-doing is quite helpful for viewing the right and left body energy too..!
That's what makes it a not-doing. There's no reason it should do that.
People being awake around a sorcerer impinges on moving the AP?
On beginning sorcerers.
And it's not a tiny effect, over near Silent Knowledge on the J curve.
If you think about it a bit, it makes perfect sense.
SK manifests as videos in the air, based on traces of awareness lighting up mini-bundles of emanations.
People who are still awake when you practice, add so much noise that the weak signal of the trace awareness you're trying to tune in, is buried.
They're like GPS jammers orbiting high in space.
Russia has a fleet of those...