I was cycling through passes in the darkroom last night and when doing this one in particular I felt a feeling of energy building and my breath automatically went shallow and fast (which has also happened to me on psychedelics which caused visions) but when I feel a slight bit of progress or that something might start to happen i will instantly be hit with fear, my question is is there any risk to a new practisioner going straight in to darkroom with out finishing the books and doing enough research before hand. Can there be detrimental consequences. Also can IOBs cause damage to new practisioners. Hope this question is appropriate for the forum. Also has anyone experience the sensation with the shallow breath?
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Fear is the first enemy of the man on this path. At this stage where you at and awake you have no real dangers. You have to go pass the fear to get it going and get things to happen. You don't have to read all the books to do the practice and know that most of us have been through this.
Okay thanks for the response 🙏
I still fear the IOBs and I’ve been at it consistently for over a year.
Have there been any moments of you overcoming it
I don’t beckon them (yet). They’re self motivated to show up by whatever motivates them. I just ignore. I’ll engage when I’m ready to engage on my terms.
Doesn’t help that they don’t show up warm fuzzy, but grotesque and demonic.
I can relate to the demonic thing. Something i struggle with to
Everything they've told you is true, but if it's any consolation, seeing them every night gets old. The element of surprise is lost because it becomes commonplace, and commonplace becomes boring. At that point, you'll ask them to adopt a different or more entertaining approach, perhaps even something horror-related for a change.
When this moment I'm talking about arrives, you'll realize it for two main reasons:
- 1st: both in ordinary life and in the darkroom, when extraordinary things of any kind happen, or anything that tries to scare you, you'll react with ice-cold composure and move on without a second thought, as if nothing ever happened.
- 2nd: you'll experience a certain separation when the moment arrives; you'll feel your body become restless, rigid, or defensive; all the hairs on your body will stand on end. But you, consciously, at that very moment, are in "ice-cold" mode, wondering, "What the hell is wrong with this guy?" referring to your own body.
From experience, seeing one or more malevolent faces isn't a problem; what's more problematic is when it materializes in front of you as a dark shadow, and you know it's there because you see it directly, and with every blink it changes position, going from an arm's length away to literally breathing down your face. That's when we'll see if you can handle it, hahaha...
Thank you for the detailed response 🙏
Lol, the IOB had watched Doctorwho.
I remember that episode of doctor who !
Just in case you didn't look at many posts, the Tensegrity makes your energy body visible. If you just try to sit around in the dark looking for stuff, you're at a huge disadvantage because there's no reason for your energy body to come out into this version of reality.
It's usually running around in dreaming worlds.
The tensegrity, combined with darkness and making your best effort to stop your internal dialogue, is what lures the energy body to join in.
But your energy body is NEVER scary because when you can perceive it, you're already at the highest attainment of Yogis and Buddhists.
It feels good to see those purple puffs! Even blissful.
The inorganic beings show up a bit later, after noticing you are using your energy body to perceive phantom things.
Sometimes you'll see them riding on a puff of your own energy body.
Just stand up to them if you feel afraid. They stop trying to cause fear if they see it isn't working, and instead try to teach you magic.
Trying to become helpful to you.
Thank you for your detailed response. I will try again tonight 🙏 the fear feels so deep rooted but hopefully I can prevail
According to the books, once you overcome fear you gain "sobriety".
Permanently.
Unfortunately, sobriety isn't valued in our modern society.
It's only useful for sorcery.
What exactly is sobriety?
I suppose that's when random and self-harming motivations no longer dominate your behavior, and you become more aware of the consequences of your actions. such that if you're going to do something negative, you accept responsibility and do it on purpose.
But most of the time, realizing the long term impact of an action causes you to behave much better than you would if you hadn't overcome fear.
Or to simplify it, it's like having the wisdom of a 90 year old, when you're 20 years old.
Assuming you overcame fear at 20.
the average person is wildly out of control and only learns over time through punishment.
But sorcerers come to realize that this limited reality is only a tiny fraction of what's available, and so th ey aren't as greedy to control the limited range they have at the current time, knowing that's going to expand if they work hard to learn to stop their internal dialogue.
I'd add that you have to have sorcery knowledge at the same time you stop the internal dialogue, or you'll get lost.
But, chances are only sorcerers ever manage to do that.
Certainly no Yogi, Buddhist Master, Kabalist, or Daoist, has ever even gotten close to stopping their internal dialogue.
They don't even try...
If there's a random person who succeeded, without any sorcery knowledge to guide the results, it'd likely be a woman.
And that's where witches come from.
Sobriety is also called no pity. If you put on the mask of "No Pity" you will feel "Sobriety" very clearly.
That's the "no self" effect of the orange zone. Naturally that produces sobriety! No self to defend. No greed. No fear. No pain.
Of course, that's the ideal. Pain is very hard to overcome without "jumping grooves" which is a deep purple zone activity.
Even Carlos couldn't do that on demand.
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When fear is overcome, what you gain is Clarity and not Sobriety.. they have differences between them..
We started with fear, clarity and what needs to be overcome immediately after is power..
Sobriety is at the most advanced levels that one can reach...
Also, nothing is permanent in human potential...
Carol had mentioned this..
Remind me when you gain sobriety?
It's been at least 45 years since I read the early books.
And that topic doesn't come up much in social media conversations.
Of course, all that early book stuff was just don Juan entertaining Carlos, to keep him around while he taught him sorcery in secret. Using the Nagual's blow.
So it's not a good idea to take it too seriously.
Somewhere in the books sobriety was used synonymously with no pity. Which is reached at the second point, the place of no pity. The third point is silent knowledge.
But I agree with you that its a very advanced level. You are pretty much sober when you can totally suspend judgement. And hold that. No pity feels a touch cold to me, which may be just personal.
At my level there is a touch of cold anger that comes with no pity that is maybe a remnant of my mind's influence. To pull me back in to thoughts, stupidity, and oblivion.
Bit of a random question dan but I saw in a post that you talked about training martial arts. Can I ask if there's any discipline in particular that stands out to you
You mean for effectiveness in an actual fight?
Brazilian jiu jitsu.
If you get good at that, you can actually fight. Especially in social situations such as bar fights, where it's not ok to kill the other person.
It's also effective against all forms of kungfu or Karate.
They don't stand a chance.
Might even work against Judo in the same way.
Interesting I tend to have a bias towards striking arts so im not a huge bjj guy I have trained it before though. Have you ever competed
Just look at MMA and UFC and see who wins.
Karate and KungFu contestants never win. In fact, it's embarrassing to watch, when they make an attempt.
It's all rather obvious. Most Asian martial arts never fight anything but their own shadows.
They perfect "forms", but those forms weren't designed by people who could actually fight!
And they all know that, when they do the tiny amount of "sparring" they participate in.
None of the moves they learned officially, can be used in a real fight.
What eventually works is, your muscle memory kicks in and automatically blocks stuff for you.
But not using any "KungFu" moves!
When done for real, fighting reverts to what you see in MMA.
Many Asian martial arts are just sports, and always were just sports in their home country.
But that didn't sell well in the USA and European nations, so they hyped them up into something they aren't.
Fighting systems.
They're sports...
They were also exploiting the sloppy small business visa the USA has, opening martial arts studios they didn't really expect to be successful businesses.
Buying citizenship by pretending to have a business interest.
Did you watch the videos on YouTube of a famous KungFu master in China losing against a mediocre MMA fighter, in 30 seconds?
They're common now. People lure "masters" with prizes of $100K, and then they always lose in seconds.
The only one I saw where the kungfu master wins, is AI generated.
The WuShu master of all of china couldn't last 60 seconds. His defeat was so humiliating to China, that they've been punishing the man who beat him ever since.
Then the "master" claimed he wasn't given enough rice, and that's why he lost.
If you want to actually learn to fight:
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
MMA
Freestyle wrestling.
That's about it as far as I know. I'd put boxing on there, but boxers don't hold up against wrestlers.
Just against asian striking systems.
The good news is, maybe "real" martial arts systems will evolve from this early confusion.
Like you see in sci-fi movies where people in the future have their own weird martial arts systems.
GSP had a karate background and kevin holland trains alot of kung fu (current ufc fighter) I do agree with alot of your points an yes I have seen the Chinese mma fighter who went round challenging all these kung fu masters it was brilliant to watch lol. But where I would disagree is the ufc examples, I can think of one of the top of my head masvidal vs askren where strikers can best the grappler, an I feel someone who is strictly a grappler does have weak points that can deffinetly be exploited by experienced strikers. Wouldn't you say its more to do with the man an less with what art he chooses ? I could provide more ufc examples if I gave it some thought. But I belive there is something in the traditional arts providing you have a good teacher that you can get great benefit from. Have you seen how some of those karate guys spar they do not hold back at all. But there deffinetly is alot of phony an fake coaches out there too that can muddy the water of these systems
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I'm interested in your light body techniques! I've experimented with it a bit.
Ive gotten my upper body, chest and above, to lose physicality and actually feel like a bright light. But I lose rationality and volition.
Ive done magical things then as well as at times when my energy was sunk into the earth.
But never consciously. I never have a memory of what I've done and only vaguely realize it as I wake up from a deep dream.
How would you proceed with light body?
I'm currently working on dissolving my physicality, sinking to the center of the earth and going up to infinity. The eagle. As well as focusing on the luminous shell.
I know you're busy. If you don't have time to respond I understand.
This thread is too long, so I might not find it next time.
Light body is merely switching seamlessly to your double.
It's' not that you lay down and go to sleep.
You just switch, and there's no explanation for what happened to your physical body. It just seems to gain the powers of the double.
It might simply be what don Juan called, "shrinking the tonal".
It can also be triggered by someone else, such as a witch.
We see examples of that in the books, such as when the little sisters attack Carlos, and he switches to his "nagual" and automatically kicks Lydia in her second attention assemblage point.
In my case, Choita just puts one finger under my chin, and lifts me into the air a foot or two.
But obviously that's impossible.
So it's very much like that incident in the books where a witch triggers the switch, and there's no evidence afterwards, for what "really" happened.
If you wanted to "learn" lightbody you'd have to pursue darkroom with all you have, never failing to practice.
Then get to the point where you can visibly see your energy body form during magical passes like recapitulation series, which seem mostly designed to do that.
But so many other things will happen, doing that would be kind of like going to Disneyland just to see the ducks around the magic castle...
You'll ditch those lousy ducks for all the rides, as soon as you see the park all around it.
I wrote a long answer, but Reddit removed it.
Could u message it to me? Would like to hear your reply if that's okay
It's gone. I don't save my comments.
I protested, and the AI informed me that reddit doesn't tolerate "hate speech".
So basically you can't explain sorcery on reddit anymore.
So far they've closed our private sub, banned our mod, and now they're censoring individual comments based on an AI's idea of what's "hate speech".
I'd have fun testing the boundaries of that, but they count each AI decision against you as a "warning", and if you get too many they ban you.
I believe what ticked off the AI was a direct quote from something Carlos told us, which can be found in lecture notes.
It's notable that things started to unravel mere days after u/Jadeyelmonte started her 28 Day Recapitulation Challenge (from Argentina):
https://portal.conocimientosilencioso.com/p/desafio-recapitulacion
The Flyers do NOT like the prospect of us puny humans gaining mass against them....
Maybe they can influence reddit programmers and managers...
Another thing with grapplers is they dont know how to take a hit if they've never trained striking an fights always start on the feet. I belive guys who train strictly jui jitsu can become very overconfident in there ability to "fight" one must be well rounded
Looks like Reddit is removing my replies. They banned our admin and deleted our advanced group, and have been removing posts.
That’s true, wasn’t there some grappler who talked sht to Alex Poatã & paid the price?
Yes it was ankalaev, he won the first match but then Alex perriera beat him in the rematch
I think the "Drunken Form" of chinese martial arts fighting was originally done in deep heightened awareness where the fighter only looked like he was drunk. It's long since lost.
Maybe they had a sleepwalker style?
Or someone could create one, where the main goals are light body, switching to your double, shapeshifting, escaping through portals, and viewing a few seconds into the future.
Unfortunately, nearly all of those activities are red zone.
I'm not sure learning to view into the future would make up for spending that much time practicing red zone magic.
"Or someone could create one, where the main goals are light body, switching to your double, shapeshifting, escaping through portals, and viewing a few seconds into the future."
These are already created in Richard Clear's martial arts in Tennessee. All in push hands with no physical force. No internal dialogue. There is also speed where you can track your opponents thoughts which seem very slow and you can react in the time gap between when he decides to move and actually moves.
A surprising number of participants are also involved in healing.
Unfortunately the really cool stuff is too dangerous to practice. And a rule is that you never demonstrate anything outside class.
On occasion someone flys across the room and crashes into the wall but it's accidental. Frowned on
Nothing like dark room though.
I mean it kinda sounds like Bullshido from what you've just wrote? Techniques that are "to dangerous to practise" starting to sound like one of those phony teachers. Are you saying you've trained with this guy?
yes I did. He is a little like Dan, but in a different spectrum. He is OCD and a little dyslectic. But very controlled.
There's a bunch of martial arts schools which claim they can teach such things, but no one actually can ever do them...
That's precisely why I studied at 15 studios. Looking for one where they could actually do anything magical.
Found none.
You sure are easily fooled!
Hwa Rang Do is one such school. I studied with them back in the 1970s.
But no one could do any of the "advanced" techniques they had. They just listed them at the door to lure people, but then no one actually believed any of it.
Which included shapeshifting, light body, and step by step teleportation similar to what some of the native american tribes here claimed.
Running at 500 mph by taking really long steps.
It's like a religion, that's all. Quite a bit is traceable to existing Chinese religions which also never work.
And how they claim you learn to do such things, makes no sense at all.
There's no real technique. Just "hope" and seemingly unrelated procedures.
Could be they learned that no one will actually make an effort.
So you can always get away with making up a technique that doesn't do anything, as long as it's somewhat inconvenient.
Because no one will seriously try.
There's my teacher, +60 pounds.
I took private lessons from him when he was a young man, and skinny.
He had a habit of hitting you with a stick if he didn't like something.
Later I tried to interest him in real magic, but got the door slammed in my face.
Same as I found with other martial arts system leaders.
They don't believe in it!!! No matter what they advertise.
And if you actually show them something real, it just threatens their profit margin.
The first time I saw a martial arts demo was in the civic plaza given by a woman doing a tai chi sword form.
I don't remember why I was there but I can only think it was by invitation of the spirit. It just happened that I was shown the most enchanting demonstration of balance, flow, and movement. Time actually stopped for me. I wanted that.
I did find the school. I did enroll and learn the tai chi forms. And played with the balance, the flow, the energy for years.
I wasn't looking for anything else from martial arts. I had already found it.
To feel the explosive power of martial arts I was unwittingly taught by the most fierce person imaginable. Kylie introduced the Masculine Series in a workshop. (maybe Westwood). I think she said it was something for the men.
For me it's mostly about tendon energy. And I feel it as very explosive and powerful. It can launch a much larger person or send them flying across the room, depending on your aim.
You can use it to redeploy your own energy by breaking up the crusted energy. And you can magnify it by connecting with the earth.
I say "you" can do these things, but not without a clear connection with the spirit. Or sometimes by a Gift from the spirit. A link with intent. Don't ask.
Do you think you can gain a spiritual benefit from these arts such as kung fu or tai chi ? My father was really in to aikido but I never understood it. He would show me videos of aikido instructors pushing students without touch an it just seemed like a hoax to me but he really believed it
I can't say I got any spiritual benefit from tai chi. My mind was very quiet though when practicing and my body liked it. A lot.
A good first step is to put your life in order. Nothing pending.
I guess I would count that as a spiritual benefit
Your Dad was practicing the fake version of Aikido.
Their leader flipped out and created a pretend version.
Doesn't work at all.
There's a real version, but it's VICIOUS.
The tokyo police use it.
And even though the police believe it works, no aikido practitioner would stand a chance in a real fight competition.
I used to spar with those guys!
Aikido just doesn't come up in an actual fight.
Hey Dan. Did Techno get a new account on Reddit?
Also, would “self-control” as we understand it in daily awareness be an aspect of personal power or impeccability? Or neither?
Techno got banned, most likely via Cleargreen.
They're also rumored to be attacking unauthorized translations of Carlos' books.
And to have spies going around.
"Self-control"?
That's not something to focus on, or else you risk turning yourself into a "saint".
Stop your internal dialogue first, then learn advanced magic (silent knowledge), and use what you learn there, to moderate your daily life.
But if you start denying yourself things, you're only pretending.
Seems like calling them out on certifications made them angry
edit: angy
Yea, except Reni must be between 75 and 80 now. And maybe not in the best of health.
My guess is, Cleargreen is now run by clueless people who have managed to take it over somewhat, and want to turn it into a Yoga style franchise with them at the top.
One even created that horrible video about how wonderful Yogananda was, claiming Carlos endorsed him.
So, perhaps they'd even start to add Yoga, the way Aerin has.
But in fact, Yogananda was dead by the time Carlos came to Los Angeles in 1952, and dead a good 14 years before Carlos became famous enough to go visiting Yogis.
Which he did, by the way. He used to tell us stories about the Yogi's he'd visited.
One he saw coming down regally from the top of the stairs in the Yogi's expensive home. But the Yogi tripped and tumbled down the stairs, and died at his feet.
There's another story about someone dying, with the implication that sorcery tends to case that sort of bad luck when it gets around people pretending their spirituality.
I've seen Cholita cause some astonishing bad luck! One case was so surprising, people laughed when they saw what happened to one of Cholita's cat enemies.
Carlos also went to see Alan Watts! Who legitimized Buddhism and Daoism, by misrepresenting them to westerners.
There's a great YouTube channel where a man calmly describes religions, without judging them. But it soon becomes obvious, those aren't real magical systems.
I'm not sure what Carlos was looking for with Watts, but he said all Watts asked him was, "Have you ever had sex with a man?"
Carlos could visit anyone he wanted. In his search for real magic somewhere else.
He never found any.
Nor did I. I did the same as Carlos, once I realized this magic actually works.
You go looking for answers, but you'll never find any.
Anyway, at one point Cleargreen took money from someone.
"Investors".
On the other hand, someone seems to be holding Carlos' house on Pandora.
So "investors" might not necessarily be evil people.
Just people who never actually got this sorcery to work.
And like some of our former private class members who gave up, perhaps they don't believe it actually can work.
Don Juan said that once someone gives up, they never come back.
It's proved to be true of private class members. 50-100 all lost.
Only Jadey, Cholita, and me left.
Even with people making it work in the dozens here, that's not enough to get former private class members to give it a second try.
Could be once you give up, that's enough of a "hook" in your mind, for the fliers to manipulate.
Please don’t murder me
Cholita is the only one I know who can cause that.
But she doesn't do it.
Something else is always responsible.
It's a well known sorcery effect. Just isn't discussed much openly.
Carlos and the witches told a story or two, but I suspect they're lost now.
Is this similar to how sorcerers that are already dead?
Let me try and make sense.
Like sorcerors intended their death when they were in the lineage.
The force you described killing pretend “magicians” is also intent. Both the same force, intent.
This means that it’s the same process in both cases…
What is the difference in both of them? Whether you have intent on your side. Don Juan got that from extensively recapitulating his life with the intent to die. He forced intent’s hand and still managed to make through, because of intent.
Julian didn’t do that. But when he came face to face with intent, intent was on his side, so he got to be “dead and alive” at the same time.
Fake yogis meet intent but they don’t have it on their side. They stood no chance. They spend their whole life pretending the real thing but when they come face to face with intent, the same way the other sorcerors did, the only thing that could happen in that situation takes place: intent doesn’t spare them. Sorcerers are dead but on the condition they pursue intent.
I'm not remembering most of that, from the books or a lecture.
But as far as Yogis, such as Yogananda who created the "Self-realization Fellowship", "self-realization" is the exact opposite of what anyone ought to be doing.
It's an ego death trap. Just like being "mindful" is a death trap. Both are super easy to pretend, and utterly pointless. Used to fool followers into ignoring that they can see right in front of them if they just look.
You'll see this clearly once you can "see" (sustain silent knowledge) and gaze at "realization" after realization, coming from infinity, and come to understand that there's an infinite number of those.
And none of them make any difference.
Focusing on "realizing" is a death trap.
Not to mention, typically someone thinking like that gets one or two "realizations" over years, and declares themselves enlightened.
Whereas with sorcery you get several a night, every single night. And soon learn to toss those out.
The inorganic beings use realizations to trick inexperienced sorcerers into thinking it would be good to go live in their world, so they can give you realizations for hundreds of years.
Or if that's too hard to understand, we're trying to get PAST realizations.
Not discover more of them.
Past them isn't even human. You, aren't even you anymore.
You get an "upgrade" as Carol Tiggs phrased it.
The vast majority of reality isn't human, and perhaps even more than half is abstract and can't even be thought about. You can only experience it, and only at the time. Later, it vanishes.
So to see it all freely you have to stop clinging to social status among humans.
Can you point to where in the books or lecture notes it says Julian didn't practice recapitulation?
I'm pretty sure he did everything don Juan did, but liked shapeshifting a bit too much so he created a flat spot in "the shift below" he couldn't pass through in less than 1 second.
Even a 3 second delay moving your assemblage point across the entire range, prevents reaching the third attention.
Because the emanations cool down before you can light all of them up.
I suspect that once you light up one range of emanations along the J curve, but then move your awareness fully off of those, they cool down in 2 seconds as if never lit up at all.
Well... Traces remain or we couldn't assemble any reality at all.
I mean how Julian was found. He definitely practiced recapitulation later but I meant when the Nagual that taught him stalked him for a period of time, then “rescued him” when he was dying from a fit of tuberculosis. In “the fire from within”, the trickery of the spirit chapter.
It is sort of implied he knew nothing of sorcery at that point when he was being followed by the Nagual, because he saw him as being a double being.
I'm not aware of Elias stalking Julian.
The first time he saw him, was when he was dying.
Unless there's another place (likely in Eagle's Gift) with more info.
Can you directly quote what you're referring to?
Actually, it's all in the chapter **"The impeccability of the Nagual Elias"**, but this chapter actually belongs to **"The Power of Silence"**.
The chapter that was was mentioned **"The trickery of the spirit"** goes into detail about how Julian dies, when he gets the Nagual's blow. So what was mentioned is a mixture of both these chapters, from **The power of silence**.
I got the content/information correct, but remembered it being in another place, then where it was.
In my head, **"The fire from within"** and **"The power of silence" are almost the same book, as they seem like Carlos' **"tell all"** book on how they were getting this technology to work.
"When the man finished making love, he put on his clothes, took out a handkerchief, meticulously dusted his shoes and, all the while making wild promises to the girl, went on his way. **The nagual Elias followed him. In fact, he followed him for several days and found out that his name was Julian and that he was an actor.**"
The power of silence, chapter "The impeccability of the Nagual Elias", it's around the 24th paragraph.
So he DID stalk Julian a while!
But how did that marge into the account where the bird indicated Julian to him, and Julian ended up dying when he went to see who it was?
Of course, discrepancies in the books are natural.
It's when a book is fiction, that stuff becomes "canonical".
When it's a true account, it's not unusual at all to find out the first account wasn't right, or needed clarification.
Especially with sorcery.
In fact, some of the accounts in the last books, seem like they took place after don Juan had already left.
And feature don Juan.
Hopefully this won't bother and beginners.
I've run into don Juan, fully awake, twice.
Not in a dream!
AWAKE. Practicing darkroom.
I've run into Carlos perhaps 3 times.
I even got to speak to Carlos, and since I know him well, it was indeed him.
Perhaps 20 years younger.
He wasn't happy with me for stopping to question him, when he wanted me to follow.
But Cholita does that age thing also.
She shaves 20 years off her age when she visits in her double.
I think you had this interaction before with someone else!!!!
The Julian quote thing.
Could be.
But I don't recall it.
Might have been another time when I doubted something was in there, and it turned out it was.
That's at around 4 times now.
You’re messing with me…
First the nagual Elias had an omen of the falcon, then he met the young actor who was had sex with a peasant woman, then he followed him around (it could be even longer than days, because it doesn't specify it). Then the young actor met Talia and met his death too.
It could very well be that Elias was following him around a long time, just like Taisha was followed by the lineage a long time too.
So, bird indicates the young actor, then young actor has sex in broad daylight, then the nagual Elias is following him around (could be longer than days), then the young man met Talia and died (and both him and Talia were taken into the lineage).
Darn...
I suppose we'll have to time travel back and watch it all live.
I almost found my way back to Carlos last night, but I can't enter the scenes I see. This one was from when Carlos was teaching the recapitulation series, and wanted to show me that even at age 71, he could lift his knee to his chest and rotate his foot and keep perfect balance.
I'm trying to materialize a realistic looking Ally to help with entering those scenes, but once you get past the orange zone, according to La Gorda, the allies stop looking realistic.
And without the realism, I don't believe they can open portals for you.
It's the realism that makes the portal seem ok to walk through.
All the good audio versions of the books are off YT now.
Imagine the revenue Cleargreen be banking if their members could do 50% of what new ppl here accomplishing after a couple months.
Was thinking about energetic mass.
We would need millions of practitioners to make even a ripple of energy - The Nagual is unfathomable like solar system, Star Trek delta quadrant unfathomable.
The individuals need energy to enter second attention and linking with others would require energy, unifying/directing that energy and it not dissipating in the vastness of the Nagual would be difficult?
Things I was thinking about, no passing judgements, just joining the discussion(s).