I have a question, if anyone can help.
in active side of infinity Don Juan tells Carlos that he needs to dissolve his business in order to reach the breaking point.
but in other books Don Juan is said to be wearing a suit and going for a business meeting, when asked about it he said " he is a stock holder" lol.
I understand the part of cutting all ties is an advance stage and I'm clearly not there, but just trying to understand to what level is this going and if it meant literally.
a part of me think "a man got to eat" so a source of income is needed, but another part think maybe not, as a warrior accumulate energy physicality is dissolved and intent creates, but to reach that states one needs to be totally detached and the daily world of business is fixing the assemblage point.
If anyone have any take, it will be much appreciated, especially from Dan.
Thank you
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Those demands applied strictly to Carlos, as part of his apprenticeship; it is not applicable, or even useful to take that literally. I’ll defer the ‘cutting all ties’ bit for others to comment.
Last, it is far more important to practice the dark room gazing, while forcing internal silence; practice tensegrity & recapitulation. These techniques allow one to validate that the states described in the books are real.
Recuerda que el guerrero usa su desatino controlado para actuar en el mundo
Yes it pertains to Carlos situation, but nothing that he included in the books should be overlooked. And nothing in your life should be overlooked. It’s an invitation to take a look at what fixes you in the tonal and not ignore uncomfortable things, like a possible necessity to close down something you have worked very hard for, but that now derails your energy and purpose. But this idea has caused much depression and sorrow in people, since they weed out their life history without coupling it with progressive magic. So don’t postpone e.g. the darkroom because you need to fix x, y and z in your life first. Just do both simultaneously so that you notice the rewards of the system and not only the list of must-dos. Don’t be heavy about life changes.
This was after Carlos realized that he would spend the rest of his life worrying about his business, " or worrying about the phantom choice of being an academic or a businessman ". Worry wears us down so he don Juan's suggestion was meant to lighten the load Carlos was carrying. It's like what don Juan told Carlos about collecting- there was nothing wrong about his collectors spirit, it was just that he collected junk, therefore the suggestion of the warriors album. Discarding anything unnecessary- like war memorabilia or whatever. It's still in the realm of " shrinking the island of the tonal".
Wait until you can gaze at silent knowledge and watch alternate realities form as "videos in the air", on a daily basis, but then realize that you can't figure out how to enter them on demand.
Even though once in a while you can by accident.
Then you can judge what you need to do, other than work really hard to stop your internal dialogue.
Focusing on life circumstances won't get you real magic. Neither will focusing on denying yourself stuff, like coffee or beer. Or eating organic. Or drinking luke warm water instead of cold. Or wearing all black clothing.
None of that helps at all. That's all been tried for years, while studying directly with Carlos!
Until you have some daily magic beyond what any other system even imagines is possible, stopping the internal dialogue has to have all of your focus.
Or you won't succeed.
Carlos failed to teach anyone and said so to multiple people. That was entirely because no one emphasized stopping the internal dialogue. If you stop the internal dialogue during Tensegrity, the inevitable result is super cool magic.
But no one saw enough of that to convince them to keep it up, because they only slightly reduced their internal dialogue, and never actually stopped it.
As a result, we nearly lost it all.
Those people came from a wide range of jobs and idle time.
A lot weren't working at all while Carlos was around. Someone else was supporting them.
Didn't help.
Is entering "videos in the air" the 2nd attention? and once you enter, can you stay there?
another question if i may, i once met a guy in Mexico who told me that when he stop his internal dialogue for enough time, he is feeling his body raised in air and minutes after he is "transformed" to the 2nd attention, he said he can be in the 1st attention in a room, and move to the 2nd attention and still be in the same room, but its a different domain, does it make any sense? Thank you!
Absolutely!!!
Yes, you could stay there, but we don't know much about it.
So keep it below 10 minutes if you get inside and it's 100% real.
As to your guy in Mexico, he seems to be pretending Carlos "stopping the world" story, from the books. Confusing the two, because he didn't read all of the books with any understanding.
Might only have read the first 4. And skipped all the rest, which is where you learn what's actually going on.
Tell him I said so. Challenge him to come over here, and relate that story.
Also, Carlos was a bit "drastic" in his experiences.
Best to read what La Gorda said about things, so you can compare the two.
According to La Gorda, if you see a puff, or even just weird buzzing in the air, you "stopped the world".
You don't have to have an orgasm the way Carlos seemed to.
Maybe that happened to Carlos because don Juan actually did all the work for him, and his assemblage point could suddenly fall into places it had been pushed many times, using the Nagual's blow.
The guy is Mexico is 99.9% for sure making stuff up to get attention.
And leaving out a ton of details, assuming it's not an outright lie. Also assuming he wasn't on drugs, and didn't bother to mention that to you.
Follow his tall tale, and you're doomed to never learn.
Oddly, many people make up the idea they can stop their internal dialogue, when they never even got close.
I suppose since it doesn't work and they're too lazy to learn to make it work through hard practice, they just declare themselves victorious and then go seek attention from other people who don't know any better.
People from Carlos private classes even do that.
Claim they learned to stop the internal dialogue, when they did no such thing.
You stop it, the world literally STOPS.
And you're not here anymore.
Learn to do that, and you'll be running down the street screaming, trying to get others to know how wonderful sorcery is.
But no one will listen...
if you enter "videos in the air" and stay inside for a long period of time, can you get "stuck" there? meaning the assemblage point is fixed there and you forget you've been in "our world"? or you remember but can't go back?
another theoretical question if i may, if one is waking up in the energy body and flying around in their apt, is that the 2nd attention? or just a dream? or something else?
cause someone told they did that, but when they try to move through the window and get outside they got stuck, like the window was solid. so I'm trying to understand the "logic"
Thank you!
Yes, you can get stuck!
Carlos and Carol Tiggs were so worried about this that when he and Carol visited the same "cyclic being" world a few times, over a decade of time so they could watch a child grow up there, when Carlos started reading an alien newspaper on their last visit, surprised he knew the font and language, Carol stopped him.
Warning him, if he reads that too much they might forget where they came from, and be stuck there.
On another occasion they tried to steal energy from the inorganic being's world (never steal from them!), and so the inorganic beings put them into a shack in a phantom world, naked, hoping they'd put on the clothes provided.
If they did, they'd be trapped there.
My own Ally "Fancy" used to try to trap me in her world by putting things I couldn't resist picking up to put into my pocket, on the floor there. Except, she didn't realize that since I'm no longer 7 years old, a 4" long brand new shiny bolt isn't so alluring I can't instantly figure out it's a trap. And after that, I was wise to her tricks so that even a gold coin wouldn't get me to put it into my pocket.
Switching worlds is standard practice in sorcery! As is the risk of not coming back.
One of the old seers took the population of an entire city off into another world, and the entire city didn't come back to this world.
The "Stellar Hatch" tensegrity technique lets you stretch your luminous egg, into an infinite line.
If you do that too long, you might come back and find it's been 200 years.
Sorcery is real, but it's not "safe".
But neither is skydiving, mountain climbing, or even just taking a walk in the wild lands where there are cougars around.
Only pretend magic is "safe".
>if one is waking up in the energy body and flying around in their apt, is that the 2nd attention? or just a dream? or something else?
If you woke up, it's almost surely just a dream.
If you did it while awake, without going to sleep at all, no one knows if it's real. We just don't have answers like that.
I've levitated or flown many times, and always wide awake!
Please don't confuse your sleeping dreams with an actual path to sorcery knowledge.
It leads to pretending in men.
>Cause someone told they did that, but when they try to move through the window and get outside they got stuck, like the window was solid. so I'm trying to understand the "logic"
You're hanging out with people who pretend their results.
And who have a very poor understanding of the books, to the point that they can't self-correct their mistakes.
>The "Stellar Hatch" tensegrity technique lets you stretch your luminous egg, into an infinite line.
If you do that too long, you might come back and find it's been 200 years.<
How do you know this? What have you seen? How can one play with the "infinite line" in relative safety?
Someone said you should never exhaust your energy. Always save some to return. Is that the case, or some other danger you perceive with the Stellar Hatch?
We have no idea, but I suspect that if you stretch your egg so well that you no longer have any doubts that's what happened, you'll be celebrating for a full week or more!
I don't think anyone's going to be worrying about it.
And long before then, you'll bring back "Stella" the entity.
Who is every bit as brilliant and real looking as this picture.
I couldn't ever afford to draw what it looks like accurately, but now there's AI!
So I took my crude picture, and asked the AI to fix it.
Stella has a face most of the time, but since she's from the second attention, it's hard to know if that's what others might see.
Jadey has seen Stella.
another question, is the internal dialogue ours? or is it the foreign installation? i understand that we can yada yada to ourself even as free people, but since all of us theoretically have the foreign installation, can we really stop the internal dialogue on demand for long period of time? i personally can't stop it so I'm just theorizing based on the books, so if you can shed some light on the subject, from your vast experience, is the foreign installation real? and if so, how do you defeat it? and what are the signs that it is losing grip and on the the way out? and once its out, is the free person a sorcerer or there's still a long way to go?
Thank you.
I don't have the answer to whether the foreign installation is "real", but you can certainly stop it. And it gets easy eventually.
What happens once you learn to stop it, and see the second attention clearly, is that to stop it you can look for second attention effects.
It's kind of cheating, but you still stop it by force.
Then, help from the second attention sights is kind of like like Carlos telling us to focus on muscle memory, to help stop it during tensegrity.
Anything to keep us from bringing it back, one "grudge remembered" at a time!
Once you can easily stop it, THEN the problem is, it's not automatic.
Even if it's easy, you have to make an effort. Deliberately notice it's come back,. and stop it.
In my opinion, if there's some external "installation", it's only visible at that point.
When you can easily stop it, but keep forgetting to do that.
That's the external force trying to bring it back.
Keep in mind, one might claim that the reason we dream is because the internal dialogue is gone while we sleep!
That's not quite right, but you can certainly think about that if you have any doubt you can get rid of it.
It's just NOT NATURAL.
Babies don't have it, and they see all sorts of things that aren't actually there. You can tell by watching what they look at, when still just newborns.
And if you think back to your own childhood, you'll realize that your internal dialogue didn't become oppressive, until around age 12.
Not to mention, language is a modern invention, only going back perhaps 50,000 years. Anthropologists have figured out ways to demonstrate that from stuff they dig up.
Yet humans are at least 300,000 years old!
So it's just not natural to have an internal dialogue.
And not helpful either.
It harms all aspects of our interactions with the world.
Especially engineering!
so stopping the internal dialogue is the goal, are there any physical things that helps? in the books a few things are mentioned such as retaining sexual energy = celibacy, physical alignment and proper muscle structure, nutrition.
I understand a man can be celibate for a 100 years, eat perfectly and still be a moron lol, but from your journey of 30+ years, starting as an average man and reaching your position of direct knowledge, which of those physical things assisted you in reaching the goal of stopping the internal dialogue? and is there any physical things that are a must?
Thank you
Nothing helps but forcing off the internal dialogue as often as you can, and using feedback from the second attention to prove you're getting better.
Anything else and you'll fail.
You need:
Daily effort to stop every single word
Feedback to keep yourself honest
so it makes no difference if one is having sex or not? cause i read in the past a comment by you about being celibate for a long time, and i its sounds impressive so I'm just trying to understand if there's value in it cause its a big commitment.
Carlos made me celibate, then died.
So there's no one to tell me not to be.
And no, there's no value to it that a beginner could detect. In fact, it's harmful to beginners. They'll start thinking like a Daoist, who believes memorizing facts and procedures is all that magic has to offer. No magic. Just rules.
And within Carlos' inner circle, no one was celibate.
I was even invited to have sex with Florinda. And Cleargreen had lesbian orgies.
Within the lineages, sexual hazing was likely as common as a university frat house.
It's barking up the wrong tree to think about things like that.
Celibacy is also a delusional Daoist obsession that they don't actually follow, but advocate because Daoism is basically a nasty, greedy religion. They give out "easy to do" things, to keep followers confused and continuing to donate money.
This guy has excellent videos on religions. After watching each, you're unlikely to fall for the westernized version, which doesn't represent the real thing at all.
Unfortunately, he has 3 (at least) on Daoism, so look for the version where he's older. And if you don't see the "hierarchy of heaven", it's not the best one to watch if you'd like to realize that Daoism makes no sense, and was stolen from other stuff.
My link might not be the correct one (I didn't want to watch the whole thing again.
Highlights from others by "religionforbreakfast":
"Yoga" is merely a single branch of Hinduism. There's 6. And even Yoga can be subdivided. The other branches didn't appeal to westerners, so we don't have much of them here.
"Judaism" didn't originally worship a single God. That's a modern modification. And despite the added commentary about how it happened but wasn't tolerated, it clearly was. With the Jewish temple even housing figures for other Gods.
Buddhism is a nutty, nonsensical religion, not a self-improvement system. That's just a western modification used to steal more money.
stalking is similar in goals but different in implementation between folks