So i am pretty new to this and as i am about to finish second castenada book i wonder about reading other minds like don juan did to carlos? Did castenada also could do that and taught? Is there more info on it later on in books how don juan learnt that? I tried to search up keywords by "reading thoughts" but nothing really showed up. What is guys your expierence that are more advanced?
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That's just simple Silent Knowledge. Seeing.
This subreddit is 90% about how to do that.
Read some of the posts.
But basically, what you want to know can show up as text above the person's head (something Carlos used to demonstrate for us in private classes), or it can show up as a "video in the air".
Which can include any place in time and space, so you can certainly go back in time and witness a video of the "button nosed boy" incident.
Or don Juan might see text floating above Carlos' head saying, "He made a promise as a child".
And unlike everywhere else outside hiere, it's fully visible and there's no visualization, intuition, or pretending involved.
Some of us do that sort of thing multiple times a day.
The problem of course, is "cleaning your link to intent" so that you don't confuse the topic by continuously switching it.
It's kind of like the talking lizards from the Devil's weed ceremony.
Who, b y the way, Carlos left to help us. We have don Juan's allies.
You can't interrupt them in the middle of them giving a response, to ask a different question.
That stops the flow of "knowledge".
Here's 2 publications Carlos made at the end, which you likely don't have.
https://archive.org/details/carlos-castaneda-silent-knowledge-cleargreen-1996
https://archive.org/details/the-warriors-way-readers-of-infinity-1996
thnans for the links!
holy thanks for explaining it really sounds amazing, what is your opinion on allies? from what i understand so far from this subreddit drugs are a big no no. Was don juans family lineage relying on allies wrong? I'm pretty sure i can find this one somewhere but i try to grasp all info at once so a lot when reading posts go away, when asking like this im pretty sure i will remember for long time. Also since i noticed that you are the only one answering usually these questions what would you recommend for a total beginner? I cant really do full dark room at my current location. I do some of recapitulation but usually i just try to turn off my thoughts and do nothing since i actually started training this through the other way before so i have some hand in it since i have expierence, now i just connected the dots completely. Is for example staring at leaf as a practice better than just laying in bed and gaze at my room during the day? You can answer whatever you like or not at all of course i just wrote it in an impulse
You'll find in Art of Dreaming that you can't learn sorcery without the dark energy of the allies.
So you pretty much have no choice but to deal with them.
Besides, they quickly become very good friends, if you learn to perceive them while awake. They will literally spend hours teaching hyou more, once you reach the 2nd gate.
Which you can do AWAKE. During which they look at real as a real person.
I once got afraid I might be a psycho killer because "Little Smoke" the ally, showed up wearing lingerie. And no matter how close my face got to her, I couldn't tell she wasn't real.
Here's a picture of what happens if you practice darkroom and can see the puffs of your energy body, due to stopping your internal dialogue for at least 2 minutes.
Whether an Ally will end up being visible on a puff like this, we don't know for sure except that perhaps 2 dozen people did have this happen. Both men and women.
They posted in this subreddit, so it's available for you to read.
And it's not so surprising. All of us have scouts in sleeping dreams.
Your sleeping dreaming "scout" might just notice that the puff is a dream, so it can be visible there. While you are awake.
There's links in this subreddit for beginners, but other people made them so you'll have to get advice on that from someone who knows what they are. Or look around. There's a link to an extensive wiki on the side.
in general, gazing is the fastest way to learn to perceive the second attention.
Including leaf gazing.
But gazing requires stopping the internal dialogue, while doing it.
So it's quite unpleasant for beginners.
Carlos gave us the "right way of walking" to make it less horrible, but no one does that enough to get results.
Results are, that you VISUALLY perceive astonishing magic. Not imagined, not intuited. Not drugged, not asleep, not with your eyes closed.
You need to shoot for it being so real, it scares the heck out of you the first time or two. Best if you actually pee your pants.
So that there's no denying it's right there, and no denying that no one is going to believe you.
As for gazing being the fastest path, no one keeps up gazing that I'm aware of. We just hear they're going to use gazing, then maybe some progress, then nothing from then on.
You can learn everything in those books, but you have to make a real effort. And each effort triggers "intent" to reward you at your current level.
So even taking the time to figure out all the info available in this sub, will have a positive effect.
Laying in bed gazing is too lazy to produce any meaningful results.
Do Tensegrity in darkness, while stopping your internal dialogue. Learn around 20 minutes of tensegrity for best results.
The Tensegrity lures your double to come out of the dream world, and showup as visible puffs of purple floating in the air.
Here's a cartoon showing what happens doing tensegrity in darkness. It's at the end of this video.
Those are the two Allies Carlos left, to help us.
so even when i can’t get full dark room rn i should still practice when its somewhat dark at night? main focus is being in dark from what i see, i wonder how you divide practice and sleeping at night. I saw video where one have to look at hands when in dream but first one have to get aware of the dream to get that done. How to enter dream aware or how to practice in a day so it’s easier in a dream to be aware? Should i just watch outside castenada books and subreddit in vivid dreaming/lucid dreaming or this info is also there?
No, all this works just fine in full lighting. It's just lot harder. And Zuleica recommended completely darkness in one place in the books but elsewhere she said that "unmitigated darkness" isn't useful to beginners.
Juann got so far he was gazing sideways through puffs to see dream worlds, and had our "good" Ally Fairy showing up daily. And he did that in full daylight, because there was a quiet place on his college campus where he could practice without being disturbed.
Bottom line: reality isn't just one place. We have at least 600 places we could choose to go live in, and if you count weird permutations, perhaps 6000.
With 1 billion phantom worlds you can learn to perceive as a stream.
The only thing holding your reality in place, is that internal dialogue.
Get rid of it, and reality changes. Nothing can stop that.
The problem is, that internal dialogue has been with us since puberty so getting rid of it is very difficult. So difficult no Yogi, Buddhist Master, Daoist, or Kabbalist has ever gotten even close to stopping it.
I choose those guys because they know full well that's what they need to do, and pretend they did, but never even try.
The problem with daylight is, it keeps giving you stuff to focus your attention on and it will always find only this reality, not allowing your assemblage point to drift.
Still, Juann succeeded that way.
>How to enter dream aware or how to practice in a day so it’s easier in a dream to be aware?
If you're female, ask the women. They focus on the womb.
If you're male, you need to OBSESS over finding your hands. Put in a huge effort by laying still as you go to bed, trying to silence your internal dialogue to the point that a dream scene becomes visible behind your closed eyes, and learn to follow those in.
I'd say if you go to bed 2 hours early, you can reach the level of finding your hands (for real, not just seeing them) 6 times a night, every single day.
But so what? No magic in the real world. Even if you follow the gates, still no magic in the real world, until you bring your double out at the 4th gate
Darkroom brings your double out in weeks, while you are still awake.
Don't be lazy, and you'll be holding a purple puff of glowing light in your hand one day, marveling at how it's filled with live dreams.
I used to leap back and forth, fully awake, between standing there doing my tensegrity and a dream inside a puff that looked interesting.
Except if you manage that stop at 3. Don't jump into dreams more than 3 times.
Something very odd can happen. And we still need to remain mostly in this world or we can't follow this path.
no no i don’t assume dreaming is superior but i have problem when waking up that i feel completely drained from energy so i thought that maybe exercising dreaming can help, you also mentioned 20minites tensegrity but which pass would you say you recommend to learn? never done it before yet i guess need to start memorizing
Yea, waking up is hard to do... Maybe keep a caffeine tablet by the bed along with easy access water, and pop that when it's time to get up. Then go back to sleep?
Exercising sleeping dreaming is too complex of a topic to say whether it would help. In general, if you get good at sleeping dreaming it does NOT make for a better life during the day.
Because it doesn't carry over to your daily internal dialogue levels. In fact, for me getting good at sleeping dreaming produced a feeling of being "submerged" during the day.
And you certainly don't get any bragging rights from sleeping dreaming no matter how good you get at it. And no daytime magic.
Frankly, it's an attention seeking activity. Like "Dream Yoga".
It's not a real path.
As for which tensegrity to use to reach 20 minutes, I don't like to tell people which tensegrity to practice. If I did, some forms would get neglected.
HOWEVER...
That warm-up "lifesaver" pass is amazing. Once you can be silent. It's also rumoured to extend your lifespan.
And the "Gift to Maui" (AKA Stellar Hatch) is loaded with old seer magic. How to turn into a tree, and how to stretch yourself into an infinite line, and still be alive 400 years from now.
But don't get excited. I believe the 400 years is time distortion, not actual years you get to live.
So it's not an alternative to dying.
Here's Jadey's channel. One of only 3 direct students of Carlos still active, and following the path he gave us.
Cleargreen seems to be taking down any videos they can, trying to extract as much money from our community as they possibly can.
So I don't know what else is still visible on the web.
https://www.youtube.com/@sorcerypasses
so basically as an example if i think correctly you would repeat lifesaver for some minutes then hop into gift to maui and also repeat that one for the rest of tensegrity practice time? i just try to connect dots if i get it right, i will definietly watch this channel, i have actually started watching one video today “basics for beginners” which is 1 hour long but i will watch that fully focused tommorow so i can also stand up and follow. The draining i meant usually feels like it comes when the bad dreams/sleep occur because some days there is no problem with that so i thought if maybe having charge of them simply will solve it.
Also when you already mentioned caffeine(i’m not drinking coffee or any caffeine at all hahaha, not a fan) i wanted to ask if there is some approach to diet in this community?
Life saver is just a warmup. Maybe only do it 10 seconds.
Then just go through your routine!
Keep in mind, your double, the guy running around in dreams who is supposed to come out at the 4th gate of Art of Dreaming, will come out on his own, if you can do tensegrity with a greatly reduced internal dialogue.
All that drives it away from our normal "self" is that nasty internal dialogue.
It gives your double nightmares, so he's fled as far away from that awareness (stuck in your internal organs) as he can get.
He's all smashed up against the inside of your luminous egg.
This is NOT some theory of "Master Po".
You get to see this with your own eyes, if you can stop that internal dialogue from forcing you to perceive only your conditioned reality, imposed on you by your family.
Once you can stop that, the crazy situation of your own double standing right next to you, trying to "help" with the magical passes, becomes possible.
It doesn't stick around past the "red zone" on the J curve, for reasons that only become obvious later on.
But until you reach the orange zone you will literally be able to see your "dreamer" has come out into the real world, and is standing right next to you.
The 4th gate, without all the trouble!!!
If it sounds crazy, consider Carlos explaining how some people have a double which "comes around" without any special effort.
He said there were 2 of those at one large workshop, which must have had between 200 and 400 people.
So 1 in 100 have a double which might "check up" on them in some cases.
If there's fear for example. Carlos once tried to use nudity with the women, because he was dying and nothing else had worked. He had them repeating the "running man series" over and over, naked.
Didn't work... But it was probably something the lineages used, which he'd avoided until then for obvious social reasons.
Cholita's double is one of those which just "comes around".
I can't find out if she's aware of it, because she doesn't say anything when I bring up her visits to me, while I'm practicing.
>there is some approach to diet in this community?
Who'd be giving out info like that, who actually got it to work?
You don't want to listen to advice from people who never actually got this astonishing magic to work.
People try to turn this into a religion, and food "wisdom" is one of those human topics that leads to religious behavior.
So, don't change anything until you literally see your double's arms, right next to yours, while doing tensegrity.
Then, you can start to see what foods make that happen more often, or less often.
The worst things re habits that make you tired, which can include drinking.
But drinking itself isn't the issue.
It's the damage it does to your body, which makes you tired the next day.
And marijuana makes you lazy.
But isn't of itself, really much of an issue.
You get FAR "higher" than any drug can manage, using sorcery.
well if there is some kind of food that makes it worse and food that makes it easier for practitioners which have noticed have in common i wouldn’t mind to know since i am not really a “slave” to taste of food at this moment and i experiment a lot with different diets for the last two years. I don’t drink and smoke since january didn’t have any problem with quitting that as quitting processed food. I really relate to Don juan on this one, he had also same kind of mindset. The question was made because i have no problem with changing my habits 😃Why would there be a problem to “give out info like that” as you said? I don’t understand this, so maybe people that are open and have no problem with changing things will try and also make it easier for them? You mentioned to not change anything tills i see double which indicates at this actually play a roll. And of course my questions are directed mainly to people that got astonishing results with magic. I see that dry fasting is an easy way to achieve longer inner silence since less way less thoughts occur and the mind is clearer. A lot of stuff i have been already doing i see don juan also mentioning in these books, not directly but you can see it. I am on the first books, haven’t read all yet and don juan very often tells carlos to not eat or eat little when they go on journeys.
I just searched for info on Jacobo using the AI, and it did mention this about sugar.
And in private classes Carlos told us all to stop eating sugar. So I did. Everything... Even fruit.
3 months later I asked one of the women about it, and she said, "Are you STILL doing that??? It was mostly about Ellis taking too many medicines."
Ellis (Amy) died of an overdose after Carlos had been gone a few years.
All I can figure is, no one honored his request but me.
And I saw Carlos consume sugary stuff. So it's not like it was a religious rule.
And there's no real reason to pay attention to that, until you can actually do real magic. Otherwise you'll turn into "Annoying Yoga Guy" who controls everything in his life, and pesters the heck out of everyone he comes around.
But never learns any magic at all. Not even a tiny bit.
Here's the quote on not eating sugar, from a section about Jacobo:
***(From AI search of Techno's collected lecture notes) ***
The context of this section involves Castaneda lecturing to an audience about don Juan's teachings. According to the transcript associated with Grinberg, Castaneda discussed how human tragedy is rooted in a lack of energy, noting that consuming sugar (like Coca-Cola) drains our energy rather than boosting it. Castaneda also spoke about his proletarian background (having a communist mother who made pamphlets), the need for an "apex of despair" to motivate change, and the necessity of "recapitulation" so that a practitioner can die differently than an ordinary person ("not like your grandma")
That’s nice to know! So you
basically were doing ketogenic diet sort of
I'm on a keto diet, so I never eat sugar at all, in any form.
Nor carbs.
But that's just because I get super fat if I don't do that.
Whether eating sugar burns up energy, I have no idea.
But I highly doubt it.
Carlos was SUPER DIABETIC.
He had off the chart readings that ought to have killed him on the spot.
According to Miles, that is.
randle cycle i guess, if you would eat only carbs and no fat it wouldn’t be the same
As far as I know, real keto works for everyone.
They just can't keep it up. So slowly they sneak in more carbs and go out of ketosis.
At which point that diet has far too much fat in it.
If you go out of ketosis, your body starts burning carbs, then if there's not enough of those, proteins.
While storing fat.
It has to get into a weird special mode, to burn fat immediately.
I partly do it because Carlos told us to stop eating sugar, and never "untold" us.
Despite no one listening to him.
i know i was on it for 9 months where i ate mostly animal products but i feel better on carbs
Do you ever check the discord?
No.
I just got banned for a week because the admin didn’t like my opinion about the Star Wars canon… 🤣
hahaha wtf
Not even joking
Seems unlikely to me. Copy the conversation here if you feel like it.
You may be missing the actual reason you got banned for a week.
Carlos was so notorious for throwing people out of private class that everyone (except me) seemed afraid to ask any questions unless Carlos invited them.
I'd just raise my hand and ask, "Uh... Carlos?"
Now that I think about it knowing what I know now about intent, that was really ballsy.
But he definitely notice it and did imitations of me in private, saying I was an oddball, but brave.
No one was safe from Carlos doing imitations of them as a teaching tool.
He called Howard Lee "Cotton mouth" and imitated his weakly articulated english.
And of course, he did imitations of the inner circle women, right in front of them.
Or he put bad their habits into his "Infinity theater".
The problem in a teaching situation is pretty much ALWAYS about intent.
Not specifically what was said.
You don't learn sorcery.
You intend to learn it. And then if you follow past procedures of successful sorcerers, you get picked up by the "bird of freedom".
And become a slave to it. A "slave with benefits".
Fortunately that bird of freedom no longer flies in a straight line, so you can always go back and try again thanks to the internet.
Even thousands of years into the future, assuming all this material is still around.
If our efforts don't create at least one sorcerer on Mars, I'll be dissapointed.
Although I do have high hopes of traveling to Mars myself, and messing with those probes. Maybe clean the dust off some solar panels to wake them up again.
Humans likely can't do that, but Fairy the Ally is fully capable of moving some dust off a solar panel on Mars.
She used to select paper for Cholita to buy, while in the store. She made it flutter if she liked it.
Is there somewhere I can post the screenshots?
https://imgur.com/a/xFGp6cr
Call me crazy but I don’t think you should be muted for seven days when you haven’t broken any rules, or even been given a warning, or a chance to respond to the question that the same admin asked, just before silencing you without even telling anyone else it had happened so that it seems like you just gave up and left.
In fact the admin is actually the one who broke the rules: “ Breaking the rules brings a warning for ban and if the user doesn't comply there will be a ban.”
Now she’s claiming it was because I’m being disruptive but if you actually look at those discussions most of the time she’s the one initiating the arguments and refusing to move on until I accept her version of reality, I’m constantly trying to deescalate, stop the arguing and move on, but she won’t allow it. I’ve got no problems admitting when I’m wrong, but I actually happen to think the truth is important.
https://imgur.com/a/xFGp6cr
Edit:here’s the conversation , I’m not sure why this is on two different pages..
I don’t know what I did to maximex123 but almost every time I post something she find some part of it to pick apart and then acts like I’m being problematic because I won’t just admit I’m wrong when I’m not… I’ve got no problems with admitting I’m wrong, or have made a mistake when I actually have but this is getting silly.
And I’ve heard from some other people that would be nice to have in the discord that they’ve left for the same reason.
The only thing even the tiniest bit questionable about possibly being against the rules is maybe being slightly off-topic but the person who muted me spent a large portion of that discussion making the point that Star Wars is actually very on topic. 😂😂😂
I can't see that. Imgur just keeps bring up ads that block it all, and there's no button to get rid of them.
I tried 3 times.
But what I did manage to see was unrelated to sorcery and would get you a 1 week ban in this subreddit too, if it went on too long.
You'd make Cholita laugh (that's hard to do), but she'd be repeating random stuff like "grey Jedi!?"
Never turn on Seinfeld around Cholita. It's her kind of humor... She seems to have the "best" episodes memorized. I wouldn't be completely surprised if she gets her stray cats to reenact episodes. She once did a dance show with her ally Minx. Complete with studio audience.
Anyway, as people hoping to save this knowledge from extinction, we all have to fight against turning this place into a visiting lounge. Our success rate, even with people who claim to be serious, is extremely low. People just won't make a real effort.
It's not a mild threat. It's a constant battle. People believe magic is pretend, so they try to extract social pleasure from their interactions here. They way people who belong to a church do.
So we're looking for the intent to move. If we see the intent to visit and share, and no actual clear interest in learning or becoming aware of how hard it is to learn this, then we wait a bit to see if it's just a fluke, but if it keeps going it's typically to get a time-out.
Many come back and thank the mods, years later. Or use it as a tale of woe for new people to learn from.
You're in a place where real magic exists and can be learned.
There's no others. Or at least no one has been able to point to any, in the 6 years we've been asking someone to do that.
Nothing...
You're in the cave filled with treasure, for real...
And essentially, there are some things a non-sorcerer simply can't see in this regards because they believe it's all imaginary, even if they're playing along for a while.
Sorcery is pretty difficult to accept.
And most of it can't even be described. Only witnessed.
Those things can fall into the category of a "flow", which gets disrupted by random activity in one of our social media outlets.
Often that disruption is what we call an "attack of 3s", but it can also just be lack of serious intent.
Carlos used to chastise us weekend to weekend for reasons we didn't understand at all.
But if I were back in private classes with what I know now, I'd likely be amazed at his patience!
I completely understand the reasons for the rules being the way they are and that’s exactly why I’m making such a big thing out of what people keep saying is “just a week long ban”… considering I haven’t broken any rules and when in fact, the mod actually both brought up the topic which is now being claimed to be off-topic, and who spent a large portion of the conversation explaining exactly why and how deeply connected the subject is to the Castaneda community.
The only violation of the rules here is actually from the one who banned me, considering the rules clearly state that a ban will happen only after a person continues violating a rule after a warning has been given, which it hadn’t been because there was no rule to cite.
I know there’s real magic, and from what I’ve read and understood of the books and community so far, impeccability is highly important and required for opening the door to the nagual, as well as for protection; because the “old shield” of ordinary life is no longer sufficient, and also because one must rely on the Impeccability of their spirit in order to maintain calmness and clarity in the face of the new forces you will begin encountering. Additionally it is required for “losing the human form” which is necessary for unifying the tonal and nagual in order to arrive at the “totality of oneself”. A failure to maintain that Impeccability leaves one vulnerable to being “cut down” by those new forces.
Part of impeccability is being being completely accurate with your words and in line with truth to the best of your ability, as well as not allowing others to coerce you through any means into either relinquishing your hold on the truth; or on the other hand being able to admit that you may have made a mistake and not holding on to, or identifying with, your previously held beliefs… even in the face of new evidence of their inaccuracy.
I don’t know why you wouldn’t be able to see the images of the conversation… maybe try an ad blocker or a different browser. I think it’s quite important to get to the truth here because this is not an isolated incident, it’s been a pattern for a while and I have heard from others that they left for precisely this reason. I haven’t had issues like this with anyone else and I’m basically being given the option to either violate my own impeccability or be banned from the community.
If you look at the whole conversation and still think I’m in the wrong here I’ll leave it alone and move on.
If you look at the whole unedited conversation and still think I’m in the wrong here I’ll leave it alone and move on.
Call me crazy but I don’t think you should be muted for a week when you haven’t broken any rules, or been given a warning or chance to respond to the question the admin had asked just before silencing you without telling anyone… so it seems like you gave up and left.
In fact after checking to make sure I didn’t miss anything, the admin is actually the one who broke the rules: “Breaking the rules brings a warning for ban and if the user doesn't comply there will be a ban.”- I was banned with no warning and not even a claim that I had broken any rules. Seems only fair that a temporary ban might be in order for someone else..
Now she’s claiming that because she asked once if I would like to take a self-imposed break to learn the material, that counts as a ban warning. However that’s not remotely the intention behind the ban warning policy, as it wasn’t in response to any rule I had broken and there’s a big difference between a break and a ban.
I have heard that psychiatric clinics check the sanity of patients with a blank sheet: they show the sheet and ask them to read the text. It's funny and sad that science recognizes the existence of silent knowledge, but only in psychiatric clinics. I sometimes see the whorl that danl999 was talking about. I want to ask a question, but in that state I forget that I want to ask... Well, it takes practice, a lot of practice.