With Cholita back, which means a witch in my home and more "energetic mass", I had so much power last night that the foot tapping from the recapitulation series actually produced ripples through reality. Making an alternate version visible.
I suppose theoretically this is no surprise, but when you see it for real, FULLY AWAKE ( don't cheat yourself with sleeping magic), it's still unexpected.
All I could think of was don Genaro walking Carlos into hell by going in a circle, doing the gait of power.
But don't get confused and start banging the floor with your foot! It's not going to work.
In fact if you expect it, look for it, hope for it, or in any way contaminate your latent expectations, producing a "dirty link to intent", this will never work.
You have to have stopped your internal dialogue for a long time, perhaps a full 30 minutes, before you see sights like this for the first time.
And if you must pretend your sleeping dreams are magic, then you might be able to try this out if you just woke up from a dream a second ago. Don't move at first, and then try flopping your foot or hand on the bed to make a tiny shock, while watching the darkness.
It could be that your assemblage point is still moved from having come out of a dream, and you can get a sample of what it means for a physical shock or vibration, to alter the reality you are perceiving.
But please...
Try to learn at least some sorcery, awake???
Or I might send Cholita after you one of these days.
The very night she returned, Fairy and Minx made a short appearance.
Or as Cholita calls them, "Uuuhh... those guys..."
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That's nice, so now that she is back, maybe you culd think of coming back to discord again? or send Cholita to us! also here is a nice picture u/millirahmstrudel found in discord
She isn't "back", until it's clear she's not leaving soon.
Could just be a rest stop.
She was pleased her little garden paradise didn't die due to lack of watering.
Except... It did.
I replaced all the plants with the same ones from Home Depot.
Unlike some of the other passes in the recap series, this one has never produced any effects. Though lately I’ve been more aware of how loud my inner dialogue is during Tensegrity. So I suppose some of the effects I’m producing are happening despite my inner dialogue.
Random thought — I know women are more powerful when they’re menstruating. When my wife who wants nothing to do with Carlos is on her period, does she still provide energetic mass that I could tap into?
Unfortunately, no one knows.
I stalked a double woman for a full year and all over Asia, before arranging to have her around all the time.
She never practiced at all, but I clearly got a lot of help from having her around.
But that wasn't true of her friends.
So possibly they do in fact help, but only if they have a lot of energy themselves.
As for the passes working, it's possible that the best thing to look for with the heel stomp, is the "cobwebs" on the floor. Once you can see those clearly, those are an SK display (a primitive one), so that might react to the stomp.
Otherwise, the way SK works is, anything can trigger them to change to another stream of "knowledge".
Even blowing or singing to the SK fog (which is like golden flecks and mini-visions that haven't formed well yet), will cause a change in it.
I suspect that much of the practical sorcery techniques belonging to the old seers were derived from this effect.
The old seers noticed something which is visible in SK, perhaps the difference between loud and quiet, high and low, or fog that changes, could manipulate SK to form unexpected things.
Which is sure to maximize the effect until it's more like practical magic. Something you can use, to do something else.
This is the most basic SK you can view. Carlos gave a couple of lectures on it saying, we leave cobwebs on the floor. And in places where there's lots of people walking by, they can accumulate.
If in Beijing, try to subway exit that leads to the forbidden palace. It's literally covered 2 inches deep in cobwebs. Which can be felt by putting your fingers down there and moving your hand a little.
What do you mean by “having her around”? How close does one have to be and does she need to set an intention or could that other person be completely ignorant of the fact that she is being used in a way?
We don't know the answer. But it's not an imaginary effect.
And it's certainly not "using" the other person's energy in the sense that they lose anything. Likely they gain the same boost.
It also doesn't matter if I know she's around, or not. Cholita used to run away randomly, for weeks at a time, then just show up at home but hide for days.
Something frustrating at the time, but now I can see it was actually helpful to me.
I could still detect the energy boost. A few times, that's how I figured out she'd returned home. And went to verify it without her catching me.
I had some tricks I won't describe. Chalk involved in some of them.
Maybe, it's actually the two allies Fairy and Minx and not Cholita at all. They might tend to follow where she goes for some of the time they hang out with our community.
If they wanted to help our cause, Cholita is a good place to focus their attention.
And Jadey too... If Fairy shows up again, I'll have to ask her why she doesn't visit Jadey more.
Anyway, Carlos was trying to build "energetic mass" with his workshops, and did.
Even if no one at the workshops actually got this sorcery to work well enough not to just give up when he died.
He still got the boost.
Not enough to avoid dying, but it was enough for him to find an alternative to that giant dome on the earth.
He even went out of his way to tell us that. Could have just let us think he made it to the dome.
So bottom line, we don't really know much about this topic of "energetic mass", which is a sad thing because my theory is, you can't walk off physically into another reality, without a second awareness around.
At least, I never managed to do that. There's always another person, or an Ally.
Which also isn't surprising. Taisha commented that without a male, there are some worlds in the second attention they can't visit. They don't have enough "mass".
It's a fascinating topic. It has something to do with, how many awarenesses are needed, to define a "reality".
Maybe ONE AWARENESS /= A REALITY
Or != (not equal) if you like newfangled programming languages.
I like Grok's version of the picture better, but probably reddit would remove it if I hadn't censored it.
I've been told, it's a deliberate design choice on the part of Grok. Even knowing it'll cause trouble.
No wonder the guy on the right looks so happy. I didn't mention anything at all about what mood they should have. Likely real people would be happy if they pushed on the wall, and it was still solid!
I'm wondering how you knew that this woman is a double being? Can you also see the luminous eggs of people and of double beings? Have you seen the luminous egg of Carlos and of Carol?
Nope. You don't need to see that egg to detect a double being. What I saw was like this:
I was happy a decade later to read one of the witches discussing seeing that sight.
It's probably in one of the lecture notes.
Double beings can be detected at all levels of the assemblage point, even at the ordinary one.
They tend to collect "followers" who feed off their energy.
In her case, it was party central around her, and she had 4 friends who followed her to bars, to get the "fallout" from her antics.
As don Juan said somewhere in all those books, don't be afraid to pick up double women, because they're in for nothing but trouble.
The men end up running large business enterprises.
But the women end up getting themselves into trouble.
A year after I got her around me most of the time, one of her friends confessed they expected her dead by now, and she likely would have been if I hadn't come along.
It's noteworthy that you hadn't seen the double beings we confirmedly know of (Carlos–Carol) while you were doing practice, yet you can speak with "certainty" about double beings you saw while you weren't practicing, citing a characteristic that doesn't belong to double beings at all — it's something completely different. Double beings have a very specific characteristic in their egg that only those who "see" can perceive. Not sure that any other thing you shared about the double beings applies.
Taisha used an image similar to the one you posted as the cover of her book, for one of the witches she saw in this way.
In the book Magical Passes, Don Juan talks about this phenomenon that makes their head glow: "No," he said emphatically, "it doesn't include the head. What comes from the head is a different kind of energetic current; not what I am talking about. One of the formidable attainments of sorcerers is that in the end, they push out whatever exists in the center of energy located at the top of the head, and then they anchor the tendon energy of the rest of their bodies there. But that is a paragon of success."
It was 20 years later, that's why.
You mentioned a long time ago (certainly not 20 years ago) that you had also seen Cholita with this light on her head... as far as we know, Cholita is not a double being, if she was, we would all have known it already from Carlos... so I also consider this theory unfounded...
I believe everyone is taking this too literally. And possibly for reasons other than what's obvious.
Also I don't recall saying that about Cholita, but I did see 3 other people like that.
First was a vietnamese woman in a bakery. I was so shocked, I didn't try to get her phone number even though she seemed to notice that I had in fact noticed her. She walked right over to me after I went to a table.
I went back to that bakery for most of a year, every saturday at the same time I had seen her. But she never returned.
It wasn't a casual observation. I put a lot of time into trying to figure out what was going on.
I'm sorry if it violates everyone's book fantasy images, but it's not as if I would ever make up something. Nor is it as if people commonly see glowing fibers shooting from people.
The second time was in Asia. I was silencing my internal dialogue to watch people go by on the people conveyor belt in Bangkok airport. Trying to "see" those worms in people.
Someone went by who made the room explode with light so brilliant, I figured it must be the Thai security guards at the airport wondering if there was something wrong with me, sitting so long on that bench without moving. I assumed they'd shined their powerful flashlight into my face.
But all I saw when I opened my eyes, was a Thai buddhist leader headed down the walkway towards his terminal, with other younger men in robes running up to encircle him.
For close to 6 hours after that, when I closed my eyes I clearly saw his face. Didn't even have to work to do it.
The third time was a businessman rushing through Taipei airport, obviously on an urgent last minute mission that required flying somewhere. I guessed he was an electronics nerd type that the company relied on heavily.
No way to approach any of those first 3.
So the 4th time I stalked the person close to a year, all over asia, to get her around me so I could investigate.
I find it a bit disturbing to be questioned about this, over what seems to be some other issue going on, elsewhere.
But i'm used to that, due to having Cholita around.
Here's a better picture of what I saw.
This ought to settle this pointless argument which seems to actually be about something else I don't fathom.
I asked the AI to search all of Techno's materials to find out what a Nagual would look like to someone who can at least partially see.
*** (from the AI) ***
In the sorcery tradition described in your sources, a "Nagual" is explicitly defined as a person with a "double energy configuration", meaning their luminous being has three or four energetic compartments rather than the usual two.
When a person capable of "seeing" (perceiving energy directly as it flows in the universe) looks at a Nagual or their energetic double, the sources describe their appearance in several specific ways associated with extraordinary brightness and glow:
I asked ChatGPT to draw it from this description.
If anyone reads carefully what you posted, they'll see it actually supports my argument more than yours.
The search you ran pulls together references from several different, separate concepts:
- The Nagual in general (as a "double energy configuration")
- The "double" as a traveling energetic copy (the "double" a sorcerer projects — not the "double being" type like Carlos-Carol)
- How faces like don Juan's and don Genaro's appear to someone doing seeing
- Various other seeing experiences
Only one point actually concerns "double beings" in the sense we're discussing. And what it says isn't "they're extremely bright" — it says they would appear as two eggs instead of one. That's a structural characteristic, not one of excessive brightness.
Everything else ("white iridescent footballs and fire," "fibers and blinding brightness," "blotch of liquid light") refers to things completely unrelated to whether someone is a double being. You mixed together several different forms of "brightness in seeing" and presented them as if they confirmed your original point.
So "this ought to settle this" doesn't hold up logically — if anyone reads carefully what you sent, it actually supports my argument more than yours. It might be worth rereading what the AI gave you more critically, because it seems like you didn't read it critically — you just saw words like "bright" and "light" and took them as confirmation.
I'll close with the thought I had on this whole subject:
I started researching this as it came to the surface, since no one has really sat down to research it until now. And I notice that none of your descriptions actually match how double beings appear. You also seem to contradict yourself: you say you can see double beings at every stage, yet you didn't see the double beings (Carol–Carlos) when they were right there with you, during all the time you were doing practices together.
Fortunately, what you posted with the AI's help confirms what I would have written in another comment, so I don't need to write it separately.
My intention is simply to clarify a few things. Seeing, while it does involve a degree of subjectivity, always rests on the same foundation that other magicians have had in the past, and the descriptions always match. That's precisely why they're called energetic facts — they're self-confirming through seeing. Thousands of people with the ability to see have all seen the same thing. And while you yourself have seen other things in your practice that align with what's written in the books, this particular subject isn't one of them.
It's worth noting that if anyone other than you said the same things, you — like all of us — would push back and call it pretending. And the most important thing is to walk what we preach, and to actually know what we're talking about. If we don't, we should be humble enough to lower our ego and admit we don't know or that we are being wrong. After all, we're the ones carrying forward the intent of the sorcerers of ancient Mexico.
>you say you can see double beings at every stage,
Where did I say that????
And so now I'm pretending my experiences?
Wow...
Hopefully you read carefully what you posted from the Ai search and what I said in the comment.
People can do mistakes in understanding and interpreting things and it's ok. In your case with those experiences you had, what I said which I'll say again is that those don't confirm that you saw double beings. They were definitely seeings of humans which the findings of the AI you posted verified. But not of double beings.
Here is where you said that :
I'm outta here...
Oh, come on, guys. I don't believe this.
You two should be best friends, or at least have each other's backs.
Ah there is a problem with the interpretation of experience but not the experience itself. I've started hearing the voices of dead people, which is like spiritualism. So it leads me to believe that all humans survive death, not just sorcerers. So this means the "alternate way of death" is something else.
So now I'm interested in being physically immortal instead of nonphysically immortal.
That is true, Don Juan suggests "The fewer interpretations sorcerers make, the better off they are." This would apply to sorcerers, one and all.
When you know, you know, and mistakes only happen when personal feelings get in the way.
Regarding hearing the voices of dead people, Florinda in "The Witch's Dream" was spending time with spiritualists and even saw the spirits rather than hearing them.
And yet, Florinda also disagreed with that same premise:
Florinda said that the earth will be here, or continue to be here and that we must care about it if we care anything about ourselves. In answer to another question regarding Christian Beliefs, demons and other religious ideas about demons and spirits, Florinda said that they may have been allusions to inorganics, or partial/distorted perceptions/interpretations of them. But also those concepts, she stressed, were examples of our tendency/insistence to compartmentalize our knowledge.
No, these are specific spirits, ie. human people/persons. Some inorganic being experiences in my opinion at this point may be dead humans pretending to be nonhuman spirits.
Yes, and it was the same for Florinda, she saw a specific ancestor spirit.
No, I'm having conversations with them, ie. voices as stable as the voice of any person you'd meet on the street.
You should read the Witch’s Dream. She also had conversations with a person that seemed plain as day like talking to a person. And yet she offers the perspective above.
Different situation.
He said "detected" , not "seen."
Very reasonable arguments.