At times I will get a feeling of radiating power emanating from behind the heart outward, down the arms and up the spine, almost like an inner rebellion against something.
Then suddenly, *thump*. A large, dense thing just kinda plops in and shuts the entire thing down.
Is this a Mud Shadow? If so, how do I kill it?
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Maybe see a doctor and get your ticker checked out.
Health is a priority mate.
Can you explain how your answer is relevant to this sub or helpful? I am having trouble seeing it.
Sure can. What you describing with respect to radiating anything from the heart that travels down the arms is consistent with common medical literature that’s used to self diagnose and seek medical advice.
I’m not doctor, of anything. So you do you.
I used to feel that on my head. Like a huge engine motor vibration and sound, or a gigantic bee. Also felt and sounded like a powerful electrical current. Nothing I did rid of it, fear makes it worse, and only by ignoring it and whatever discipline I had it became manageable and went away but still comes back sometimes when I'm low on personal power or my life is not in order. I believe it could be an hostile IB
What you are describing is not a heart attack for the record so all good.
What I remember from the books was you had to keep practising trying to get silent and eventually that would cause the Flyer's mind to flee.
Do you think it's about reaching a set amount of time of continuous silence, like say for instance in the same way you have to fast for 3 days to kill X parasite etc
You can't kill flyers. You have to do your best to be free of them, it's a lifetime work without guarantees, a fight for freedom. All you can do is be disciplined every day. Take it easy, trying to do everything at once can be frustrating. When I experience this, whatever it was, I only made it worse by obsession, it's a form of indulgence that attracts them and attaches them even further. Again, your only recourse is daily work. And everyone is prey to these forces, so you're not especial (I used to think I was when that happened to me). In fact it might be a scary but good sign of progress.
Yes, but that's not the whole story. What happens is that if you REALLY get silent, your energy raises above your knees.
Normally it's down at your toes. And that's where the fliers like to lick it from. That energy is tainted with self-pity.
With "Oh, poor baby me..."
But above your ankles, that starts to change.
Carlos used to "inspect" our energy level at the start of each class, and we'd either get praised or punished.
By the way, ALL OF US can easily learn to see that energy level. It's far easier than seeing the luminous shell itself.
But not as easy as seeing the energy body. That's very easy to see, once it's formed.
The stuff that rises up is the "shiny outer coating". Carlos described it as being like a sugar donut, where someone licked half the sugar off before you got it, thinking you couldn't notice.
I suppose once it's up to your knees, it's like dissolving marshmallows in your hot chocolate, in contrast to a cup full of dry marshmallows?
And they hate hot chocolate?
I've never seen the flier's in this form, and kind of doubt any of us ever will.
Carlos had to be "introduced" to it by don Juan, using the nagual's blow.
That point of view got me into trouble with some purists, but fortunately someone found Taisha or Florinda saying (at a lecture) that you could perceive them as black dots flying around down low.
Or something like that. If anyone wants to post the exact quote, put it right here!
Those I see often.
There's a level of reality where you could best describe it as "spirits swirling" around you. Like a cheesy sci-fi.
Myself, I thought the moving black dots were some kind of inorganic being, but I didn't see anything harmful about them.
I'm past the fliers wanting to suck on my feet. We got past that off and on in private classes, and Carlos pointed out when it happened, and in the 25 years since, it's even less likely the fliers would lick my energy.
But I do see those dots fly around down there.
This is what I see in FULL daylight. At that level of sight, it's dark. But it never occurred to me that those dots were harmful.
This kind of sight is common (in other forms). You'll soon get over being afraid of such things.
A purist here lol hahaha 🤣
Here is the screenshot of the " someone posted a quote" in question since I was there and I have the permission of the person that posted it.
Nowhere it says that they can be detected by black dots. It says that they can be seen as black shadows that we dismiss as floaters.
Also here is the whole complete thing since it's very interesting for people to read:
"The flyers of the sorcerers' tradition are black shadows that we sometimes detect and explain away as floaters in the retina.Sorcerers know for a fact, by means of their capacity to see energy directly, that those shadows are predatorial and that they keep us alive in order to devour our awareness. Sorcerers say that our awareness is like a sheen around our total field of energy that looks to them like a luminous ball. To them, this sheen of awareness is like a plastic cover that would make the luminous ball shine even more if it were not for the fact that it has been eaten away down to the level of our heels. Here is where the sorcerers description gets very disturbing to us; sorcerers say that the only sheen of awareness left in us by our eaters is the awareness of self-reflection. Therefore, all we are left with is the concern with me, myself and I. In our personal lives we have corroborated that the only force left in the immediate world around us is the force of self-importance, which comes disguised in the form of humility, compassion, altruism, kindness, you name it. This sorcerer's description is of course our ultimate nemesis; we don't want to believe that we are being raised for food. In this sense, naturally, the sorcerers' tradition is at total variance with any other kind of spiritual tradition. Sorcerers say, and believe me, not out of cynicism, that every ideal we deal with in terms of spiritual traditions, religions, etc, is a device concocted by the flyers to keep us in a lull. Imagine our disquietude upon examining, weighing and pondering this proposition.
Any idea on the date associated with that quote?
Was it before his last 5 books? Maybe even before workshops?
It's from a 1995 magazine interview of the chacmools with a prologue by Carlos before the interview started.
Bummer. I was hoping it was from before any public teaching started.
That would end my "worthy opponent" theory of the fliers.
1995 is around the same time Carlos started explaining it in private classes.