Impeccability of the flyer

If what we dream during the night control and reflect on our actions during the day and our ordinary dreams are produced by inorganic beings, why would they let anyone practice?

If all the flyers want is to eat our crystalized energy, and IOB's know man better than any human on earth, why would they produce a "nightmare" that makes you wake up feeling like shit but in the end results in you only feeling more motivated to practice?

Do you think there are also rules that they have to follow? If you practice and align your actions with the intent to move your AP they have no choice but to leave your energetic center and let you be free?

I came to the conclusion that all of that is only part of the impeccability of the flyer and if he exists he has to reflect all parts of the universe, even justice.

What are your thoughts?

Do you even believe in the flyer mind?

5 Comments

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u/nomad-elf 2 points 2026-09-03 21:41

They are doing bidding and expect a return on investment. If the going gets tough they will bid elsewhere.

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u/TheDonGenaro 1 points 2026-09-04 09:01

Could you explain that a little further? What exactly makes a “bidding” get through?!

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u/TheDonGenaro 1 points 2026-09-04 09:00

I am glad that someone is asking questions…
And it would be rather strange that this stream of thoughts would be conceived by the fliers themselves?!

Anyway, if they were so powerful as portrayed, why didn’t they unite already to exterminate any remaining members of the way of knowledge. Why didn’t they let so many people read the books?! There are a bunch of illogical things that they didn’t do, but should have presuming that they possess our ordinary mind.

A lot of things don’t add up as per what we know about them. It seems that their power is quite limited, otherwise they would censor the entire world. In the meantime, Stalin did a much better job censoring the population for his purposes. It seems ridiculous that all present, ubiquitous and inevitable flyer mind is incapable of even a fraction of that!

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u/danl999 0 points 2026-09-04 13:06

>our ordinary dreams are produced by inorganic beings, why would they let anyone practice?

That's not true. They just show up to interact, they don't produce dreams. They're more like an annoying little brother who wants to follow their older brother around all the time.

If you're interesting, and especially once you have the energy of a sorcerer, they'll try to keep you from moving away or changing dreams, but that's not the same as being the creators of dreams.

Carlos was plagued by his 2 allies at the end. The very ones we have helping us,. now that he passed them on to his private class. He explained that due to his illness, they could "pull on his weakness" like a thread on a sweater, trying to unravel it. He found himself hopping from rock to rock in a cave with water at the bottom, knowing that if he fell in, it would be very bad.

I asked his ally, now called "Fairy", if they really tried to kidnap him.

She said, "We tried to save him, not kidnap him!"

But that would be like the Allies trying to save Julian. To this day, he's supposed to be trapped in their world. Which is a great opportunity for us!

We can go in there! I've done it many times, and Carol Tiggs even pushed me in there when I was in private classes. So it's even possible to bring others along with you. But that's very advanced.

The rest of your post is a bit confused and doesn't seem to be oriented towards actually learning. You have a lot of work to do if you want real magic, instead of just the endless pretending of something such as Sufism where the Jinn are your enemy. Even though they never existed at all.

Maybe you should think of this place as a "Hiker's Club".

We aren't here to convince you that the cougars in the mountains aren't dangerous.

No one cares if you go hiking or not.

This isn't a money making business. And you don't sound like a good hiking companion.

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Those are the very mountains Carlos used to take people to, in that picture. He'd show them stuff he did with La Gorda and the other apprentices. Possibly one or th ewitches also took women there and explained some plants, but no one would admit where they got that instruction.

And there are indeed cougars up there, with it being a very bad idea to be this friendly.

But there's also no reason to avoid going up there, just because of Cougars.

Cholita was always hoping to run into one.

There were even specific rock formations Carlos pointed out. And "The Sorcerer's Cave", which is not something people ought to be visiting since you risk death to get into it.

Carlos sent all the women in private classes up there to go in the cave, pull up their skirt, pull aside their panties, and expose themselves to Malibu beach while absorbing wind coming into the cave.

Naturally I was driving women who didn't have a car (people went to LA to learn and often didn't have the stuff they had back at home) up to the cave.

But they never let me watch...

I had to stand on the cliff and wait.

Those of you who have fallen for the "AI slop" chinese bot influencer propaganda might not want to read this, but Gemini AKI looked through Techno's lecture and interview notes, and extracted all it claimed it could find on Carlos taking people to the Santa Monica mountains.

I'll put it in a reply.

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u/danl999 3 points 2026-09-04 13:06

Your compendium of notes contains several rich accounts of Carlos Castaneda in the Santa Monica Mountains and the Malibu Hills, most notably a highly detailed story of an expedition he took with a small group of people to a specific "place of power".

Here are all the documented occurrences of these mountains and the specific sights Carlos showed there:

  1. The Malibu Canyon "Place of Power" Expedition

The most extensive record in your notes describes an outing where Carlos took the note-taker, their friend Ruth, and several other students to a sacred spot high in the hills above Malibu Canyon. Don Juan Matus had originally seen this exact spot in a dream, and Carlos loved visiting it because he felt completely at home there.

  • The Rendezvous: The group originally agreed to meet at Ships restaurant on Wilshire Boulevard in West Los Angeles—a setting the narrator described as delightfully preposterous, waiting for a "sorcerer's apprentice" in a crowded chicken shack.
  • The Ring of Boulders: The place of power consisted of a perfect circle of massive boulders surrounding a dense chaparral forest.
  • The "Face" Boulder: One of the massive boulders resembled a face pointing west toward the Pacific Ocean. Carlos explained that its westward orientation designated this site as a place of "introspection" (or self-reflection) where ancient Yaqui sorcerers would come to meditate.
  • The Manzanita and Mesquite Shelters: In the very center of the chaparral forest, Carlos showed them where sorcerers would build small shelters out of manzanita and mesquite to "bury themselves". This was a technique used to halt the flow of inner dialogue, produce a "psychological death," and practice "not-doing" to "stop the world".
  • Demonstrating the "Lines of the World": Standing in the circle, Carlos demonstrated a Yaqui sorcery exercise to feel the energy lines of the universe. He stood with his feet forming a right angle, left arm extended, right arm parallel to the ground and bent inward toward his chest. He rapidly moved the first two fingers of each hand as if plucking a stringed instrument, slowly clenched his fists with great tension, turned his body into a "prizefighter's crouch," and then suddenly released his fists with a "Pop!" to reveal the lines.
  • Rattlesnakes and Dental Floss: While in the hills, Carlos explained how he and don Juan trapped rattlesnakes using string. He jokingly advised that dental floss is the absolute best survival tool to carry into the field and that anthropologists don't need heavy gear, just lots of dental floss. He also claimed eating rattlesnakes was "stupendous" and better than whale, turkey, or chicken.
  • The Cliff Squeeze for Evil Spirits: Carlos mentioned that there are other places of power nearby, including a specific narrow opening between two sheer cliff walls. Squeezing through this narrow gap rubs off "evil spirits" (undesirable energetic attachments distinct from allies), leaving them behind forever.

The Angelica Hunt in the "Water Canyon"

Following their time at the boulder circle, Carlos drove the group down through Malibu Canyon to a "water canyon" to search for angelica, a favorite plant of Yaqui sorcerers whose dried stalk produces a smoke of great "clarity".

  • The No Trespassing Sign: Carlos ignored a prominent sign from the Los Angeles County Water District warning of a $500 fine and imprisonment and led them into the creek bed.
  • The Wild Celery Mix-up: They found several green strands, but Carlos declared them useless because they hadn't dried naturally. The note-taker bit a piece of the plant and pointed out, "Carlos, this is wild celery." Carlos laughed and replied, "Of course, wild celery. It's good, isn't it? Angelica is amazing.". UCLA botanists later confirmed the collected specimen was indeed completely harmless.

Carlos’s Warning and the "Twig Curse"

Carlos, behaving like a "plump little gnome" or a "swift coyote," warned the group before leaving: "Leave everything that you found here behind. Do not take branches, flowers, rocks, nothing. It is very dangerous!".

Ruth disregarded the warning and secretly pocketed a twig from the site. What followed was an incredible run of bad luck on their drive home: Ruth became violently ill, they got a traffic ticket for driving on the Venice Boardwalk, they had a bitter argument, their friend's plane was hours late, a massive rainstorm broke out, and their windshield wiper motor burned out on the freeway at midnight. The instant Ruth found the twig in her jacket pocket and threw it out of the window, the rain abruptly stopped and the wipers suddenly began working again.

  1. The 1964 Mushroom Specimen

In a September 1968 letter to ethnomycologist Gordon Wasson, Carlos recounted a personal botanical find in the Santa Monica Mountains:

  • In 1964, Carlos personally found a specimen of a psychotropic mushroom (a psilocybe variety used by don Juan) growing in the Santa Monica Mountains.
  • He took the mushroom to a laboratory at UCLA, but due to their carelessness, the staff lost the specimen before identifying it.
  • Don Juan interpreted the discovery of the mushroom in Los Angeles as a positive omen, but viewed Carlos's carelessness in losing it to strangers as classic proof of his "utterly fumbling nature".

  • Carlos's Private "Power Spot" North of Malibu

In separate accounts, it is noted that in his later years, Carlos lived "as inaccessibly as possible" in Westwood, but regularly went to "refresh his batteries" at a "power spot" atop a mountain north of Malibu. This spot consisted of the same ring of boulders overlooking the Pacific Ocean first envisioned by don Juan.

  1. Scenic Sightings of the Mountains

During the Cal State Redondo Beach seminar in December 2001, a participant noted that the post-rain winter sky was so dazzlingly clear that the islands opposite Santa Monica were etched sharply on the horizon, perfectly mirroring the coastline up past Malibu and the Santa Monica Mountains.