This is what I know about them based on the books:
They feed on our human emotions. For example, if we care about other people or hate them, we will be easy prey.
They control our mind and social conventions. Basically its their thoughts that we usually have.
We can get all our energy back through recapitulation and we can concenterate our energy through tensegrity.
Is there anything that I am missing?
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A whole bunch! For years I used to call them Sheddim, a Hebrew term for a kind of demon, because I thought it was more appropriate and descriptive than fliers. They shed our awareness down to our toe-level, rendering us dim. But after reading u/danl999 's posts and comments, I think it's true that Castaneda, just like all major religions (which Nagualism is not!) created the concept because it makes sense to assume that they exist. In the beginning, the neophyte needs an adversary; and creating an external adversary externalizes the fight, making you less likely to focus on the self, if that makes sense.
But I spent years in a state of paranoia, thinking about these invisible monsters creeping around eating something from my body that I didn't even know existed years earlier. I rewatched movies and TV shows noticing all the instances of vampires, zombies etc... the trope of the monster that drains our vitality and renders us a lifeless automaton, repeated over and over. No practical good came from it. It just added more elements to my internal dialogue.
Edit: whether they exist or not is immaterial, you can't fight them with sticks and stones, or thoughts. You fight them with everything laid out in the books, and if you do it impeccably you will be free...one way or another...
That being said, the parasite's niche is well identified in the natural world; and if you hold to the dictum "as above so below," it would only be natural to assume that there were energy parasites just as there are biological parasites. We fight biological parasites with science and modern medicine. We fight energy parasites with sorcery/nagualism.
Beside the point, I always liked this quote:
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist (by shifting and locking-in humanity's A.P./awareness till they could no longer perceive "him")."
Thank you for your response.
It was insightful for me in that it doesnt matter what they are or if they exist.
I wonder if they're more symbiotic than parasitic. If one is full of anger, lust, self-importance, etc., this will attract a certain type of formless being. It may seem like they're feeding off us but I suspect it's more like we're feeding them this energy by choosing these attitudes. Like any inorganic being, there's really a huge gulf between our worlds. Ultimately we're the ones in charge of where our minds go.
If our focus is on impeccability, lack of concern for self, the abstract… on the other hand, the formless beings that become attracted to us may be allies.
A parasite is absolutely dependent on it's host, hence the constant fear of discovery and general state of paranoia present in the imposed mind-overlay. I don't see any benefit from a symbiotic tie to the imposed mind, do you? You're probably talking about an involuntary symbiosis where the host gains nothing (ie. parasitism...insert cheeky grin).
Discipline, impeccability, selflessness etc. makes us unpalatable as an energy source, we shine with a higher kind of energy that does indeed attract a better (hopefully!) kind of being, in the form of the Allies.
I don't buy the imposed mind thing. We all get to pick and choose, it's just that we choose based on false options, which are the only ones our family and society know what to present to us. But we can always choose impeccability and freedom if we're lucky enough to recognise that choice when the spirit comes knocking.
But you may be right, symbiosis would imply that we get something from it. I wonder then if the very discharge of this energy, the pleasure if giving oneself over to anger or lust, etc., is what we're choosing, which the "flyers" are attracted to. It may be a poor choice but it's a choice all the same.
I look at it this way. Something just isn't right with the world (ourselves), and needs to be fixed. We ALL feel that. I never, as a child, made a choice to start giving my energy over to something extant and external to myself, collectively imposed, or both. I wasn't presented with any other options, so I have no obligation to continue doing so; and that is damn well what I intend to do! Whatever that something may or may not be.
Taking another tack, the allies share filaments with us and somehow benefit from our type of energy, as we can do from theirs in several ways, so this is more clearly a symbiotic relationship. Extrapolating from that, I imagine we share filaments with the flyers too. The question is what we have to gain from them… As it's our self-importance that they feed off, perhaps in return we get to feel more important or simply more relevant in the face of infinity. And in order to maintain that feeling of relevance in the face of infinity (a desperate task!), we have to keep on feeding until the end. It's a sorrowful state of affairs.
We get the modern world as we know it. Otherwise we would be still tribal- which isnt a bad thing.
A quote from the matrix agent smith to morpheus :
Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about. Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.
Here is anothe quote : morpheus to neo -- "What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad." - splinter in your mind is very explicit lol.
I strongly believe that this whole movie is based on castaneda' books . ITs obvious to me . THe fact that it resonated so deeply with a whole generation of people speaks volumes.
ITs mentioned in the books that their species was on the verge of extinction, but some dreamers got into their world and brought them here - for promised knowledge. I assume around 10 000 years ago.
Interesting, I never got around to watching those films but of course have heard about them. The idea of dreamers moving worlds is fascinating, a potential way off this ailing planet (for any who learn to master dreaming at least). There's also a technique of transference of consciousness in Buddhism, Phowa, which is usually at death to choose the formless realm to go to but can also be used in sorcery-like methods in life to occupy another body. Presumably in this way people and other beings can become possessed, not necessarily on a society-wide basis, but the basic dynamic seems to be there.
I'll look again at the imposed mind thing. It was just too Hubbardian for me to even consider and I hate the idea of being a victim of something, it's disempowering. As it was introduced in later books I thought it may be down to Castaneda's predilection for the ways of the old seers. I think DanL wrote something about him trying to get enough energy to switch grooves later on life and escape the inorganic beings that were plaguing his dreams. Who knows what he'd ended up getting in cahoots with.
Don't tie the 2 together. The Allies were managing to pull him into a close representation of tehir world, where he had to hop from rock to rock to escape. I suspect there was water between the rocks.
But his desire to jump grooves was tied to his task of teaching us. He was dieing, he wanted more time.
It had nothing to do with the allies as far as I know.
Also, the Allies pulling you into their world isn't that hard to resist. It's just annoying more than anything else.
ah, i misremembered, for some reason i recalled inorganic beings rather than more specifically allies. i wonder if his predilection for the old seers’ ways, and something don Juan saw in him that he said the old seers would have loved to have had, may have influenced this narrative of the flyers and the imposed mind and even his illness, though more probably it’s an instance of stalking.
Carlos was in the end a person, and stuck with his original personality. I heard someone I admire call him "a bad man", and I can't say it's not true. He was bad in that he didn't follow all the social rules, some of which I still agree with.
But my family reeks of intolerable snobbery, from living in the UC system neighborhoods. There were 10 PhDs in easy walking distance of my home. People living around there tended to be over the top self-righteous and my family led the way.
I can get silent, but that part of me remains. I suspect, you probably can't change your basic personality. You can help it fade into the background, but in the end you're still you.
We've seen from workshop quotes that when you visit one of the worlds we have access to, you are likely using someone else's body, and things there probably don't look anything like what you're perceiving. We still perceive through the human form, even if we've lost it.
So not everything Carlos did was stalking. Some was just Carlos. And that's ok, we aren't learning to be Carlos, we're learning sorcery.
yeah, i’m not too bothered about him being “bad”, my main buddhist influence was a mess too, no prizes for guessing, neither anything like me though, a proper catholic boy, hard to shed that.
Buddhists and Catholics are similar. Both are protective, insecure, and afraid of the boogeyman.
That doesn't mean Buddhism doesn't have amazing knowledge of meditation. (Or even that the Catholics aren't right about God).
But they are in the end, religions.
Fortunately, religion has nothing to do with sorcery. You can be a Buddhist or Catholic sorcerer. If you go back to some illustrated bibles from the 1600s, you'll find sorcerers celebrated in the Catholic church.
I have a few ideas for a new post in mind about a practical manual on an aspect of what I would call Rosicrucian Sorcery. It involves sitting in a pitch black room, until your eyes produce a cloud of something they called First Matter. If you practiced with this first matter you could form it into a shroud around your body and for all intents and purposes become invisible and invulnerable, like being inside a force field. They were said to be able to, in centuries past, appear at distant places hundreds of miles from where their physical bodies were, and to be able to physically teleport.
I was kind of obsessed with the Rosicrucians as a teen. I even tried to join AMORC through the mail! They sent me a few pamphlets. Invisibility had a great appeal to an awkward teenager!
That is 100% (more like 110%) compatible with looking for colors, pulling them to surround you, merging with the second attention's energy body, and then making the first attention's body go into the background, for travel with the second attention's high speed abilities.
Let me give you a task, if you're amenable.
Learn sorcery, and bring it to those guys. Give it a new home in their techniques by making them actually work the way they claim.
There's an idea! Like you mentioned wanting to reform a branch of Kung-Fu to include seeing energy. The Rosicrucians have hundreds of years of ritual and orthodoxy to cut through, chapters around the world that seem from the outside to be little more than masonic lodges with guys dressing up for self-importance; but what do I know, I didn't have the money to join!
So someone would have to volunteer to be the hardcore pothead who brings the secrets from an obscure temple, to a different one. Maybe he got kicked out for being stoned all the time?
Who wants that job? Remember, it's stalking. You really have to get into the part.
Reminds me of myself, jumping around in a herd of rats, in a subway alcove in Asia. A stalking maneuver.
Can you recall in more colourful detail the incident with the knee-high energy monk?
First I saw a Tibetan monk who's risen his energy all the way up. It was quite a shock, especially since I regarded Buddhist teachings as ineffective.
Apparently they aren't. I was in an airport at their crossroads in asia, so there were powerful men there.
The Tibetan monk sort of punished me for "seeing" him. Or maybe he felt sorry for me and decided to help me out. He left a scar that remained for 6 months, although it was most intense for a few hours. If I closed my eyes, there was his face staring at me. I don't mean I imagined it or couldn't think of much else. I mean, there was that ugly Tibetan bastard's face, floating in front of me.
Ok, he wasn't actually ugly, but I would have preferred one of the girls they keep below their monastery in Tibet, in some tents. Much nicer to look at. I'm not sure what the monks do with them however.
The other monk was from Nepal. He was subservient to another monk. They were having lunch. I noticed he'd risen his energy up to his knees. His higher up had not.
I sat quietly, watching him out of the corner of my eye. Looking at him that way, it looked like the paintings placed above the ancestor worship shrines in businesses in Taiwan. The God or Goddess (I don't know which it is), is emerging from a lotus flower.
He was sitting in a lotus flower, eating a bowl of curry and rice.
You would need to use stalking to fool them into it wouldn't you. They no doubt have soooo much baggage to cut through, you'd have to work with it to get an in.
When Castaneda enlisted his acquaintance to find and introduce him to someone versed in native plant lore, he simply wanted to learn about power plants from an anthropological perspective. Don Juan had to hook him to a different intent, by stalking him in the persona of a Native American Shaman; then events began to alter his personal intent to a different path.
You'd have to stalk them first, to find out what they're up to. If it was a martial art, a planted new student who has some cash would get their interest. While they usually claim you have to stick around to earn the right to learn, I've found that they like cash better. Especially private lessons.
Find out what they'd believe and what they'd not believe.
Then a seemingly unrelated event where a different student's master is dying, and he shows up.
The new student already there could assure the new master, that this students master is dying, which is why he skipped that place.
I guess next step would be for an enemy to show up, who has magical powers. That'd motivate the martial artist to learn more about it.
This of course could be exactly what Carlos and the witches did. And when Carlos died, the witches went back to what they were doing.
It's also (if the story is true), what happened to Carlos with La Catalina.
Or to you guys (feeling gullible yet?) with the fliers.
Sorry, I'm a little perky today from manifesting a spirit last night. It didn't discourage me that it turned into a stool afterwards.
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one of the great catholic mystical books is called the cloud of unknowing, which could easily be taken as another name for the nagual, abstract, etc. and there’s a rich and ongoing tradition of mysticism in catholicism and orthodox churches. one guy in one of the books “hid” as a sacristan i think, i’ll look that up again.
Isn't that the teaching that says, we learned language, and that's what separated us from our direct connection to God?
Very compatible with Carlos! Although I must say, he seemed to despise the catholic church. Either that or Ellis was a closet catholic, and he was doing his best to fight off that kind of thinking.
I'm not sure why. I'd love to see sorcery make its way back into the catholic church.
yes, that god is unknowable through any mental concept. sorcery seems to take this as the starting point or even the very ground on which reality unfolds.
Christianity has inner teachings that are of similar depth, with inner silence-based practices, being most famously practiced on the male-only island of mount Athos.
Here are some links to read in spare time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesychasm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ladder_of_Divine_Ascent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Athos
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Схима
Thank you! I saved them.
And there's a remote viewing group that's Christian oriented.
In the Jewish bible, Balaam was a sorcerer that God wasn't completely unhappy with, until he got greedy. He didn't even blink when his donkey started talking to him, so he must have been up to all kinds of things.
And I was trying the "Witch of Endor" manifesting technique last night. She summoned a spirit for Saul. As I recall, the spirit wasn't dead yet, so that was kind of odd.
I tried that myself last night. Carlos taught me the technique.
I got a seemingly real spirit standing right next to me. And it didn't go away. It shrunk instead, and I ended up with what looked like a box or a seat, made out of light, sitting on my floor.
So if anyone here comes from a religion, and you find yourself afraid of the boogeyman while practicing silence, console yourself. You don't have to disobey your religion. Sorcery is just a technology, like the internet or waffle irons.
Quote from wikipedia (shortened):
Hesychasm, Greek: ἡσυχασμός [isixaˈzmos], from Hesychia , "stillness, rest, quiet, silence"
And in other context, perhaps you could decipher the central ancient text of Kabbalah about the 4 Israelites that went into another world, one of them couldn't return fully and they prohibited mentioning him by name (the text is normally skipped or hidden from public teaching):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardes_(legend)
Don't forget the guy who buried himself up to his head in sand in a cave. When he emerged, he had such a strong connection to God (intent?), that he cursed a wheat field for having a sub standard crop, and it burned down on the spot.
(I read that a long time ago, so it might be off on some details).
I've got a wacky proposal for everyone reading this:
Let's get 10 people up to snuff on dreaming, and we'll infiltrate other teachings. We'll make them actually work the way they claim.
To do it right, it has to be a stalking maneuver.
Ok. Honestly, to make it fun it has to be a stalking maneuver. You could make it work without the stalking, but what's the good in that?
Imagine if 2 or 3 people, seemingly random and not knowing each other, converged on the leader of some system, bringing him a better way to do it. You could fake up a dying "master', and his worried disciple who has to find another master. Maybe a rival coming along too, to warn the new master.
We extract all traces of the tainted Castaneda origin, re-tell the myths and stories to match their systems, and let sorcery grow somewhere else.
I've got dibs on Irish magic. I just can't resist Fairies. And there's already a Nagual in Irish folklore history. The fairies took him into their world. We'd just rewrite his demise and we'd be hooked all the way back to the Druids.
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Star Wars Yoda was don Juan. The witches were known to visit Sony pictures, and Oliver Stone named his production company, "Ixtlan Productions".
Not to mention that several TV series created after Carlos wrote his books, came up with an Indian Shaman character spouting Carlos philosophy.
Star Trek varieties had several of them. One was a permanent traveler between realities.
Carlos mentioned Hollywood being after him to make a movie about his books.
The Traveler character in Star Trek TNG was very impactful to me, one of the influences that layed the foundation for all of this; particularly his teacher/apprentice relationship with Wesley Crusher. That thought is the basis of all reality, that the power of thought can bodily pull you out of the normal flow of time, to witness "places where thought and energy combine in ways you can't even imagine," and travel to worlds beyond our comprehension; all without technology, in a future awash in astounding technology. Eventually Crusher becomes a traveler himself:
https://books.google.com/books?id=dNjh37Fi2ycC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=wesley+crusher+the+body+electric+st+tng&source=bl&ots=b7WrNgIbFx&sig=ACfU3U33-llz3y2PZnGvp_NCQQiitaKPxA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB3qOGn8ziAhUq1VkKHf8yAXsQ6AEwBnoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=wesley%20crusher%20the%20body%20electric%20st%20tng&f=false
Also Project Ixtlan is trying to crowdfund a live action animated series directly illustrating the books:
https://youtu.be/UkqOiwcDZ8E
It was kind of cheesy the way they turned him into an American Indian, who had relocated to another world.
There was a lot of nonsense like that going on in the late 60s and early 70s. "Don Juan" clones popped up on everything. If Gilligan's Island had been produced 8 years later, I'm sure an Indian Shaman would have ended up on the Island. Probably wanting to kidnap Mary Ann. Don Juan would be too wise to go after Ginger.
Wait... Carlos went after any Ginger that came along.
I know about "Ixtlan productions" - i have seen some of their stuff. Kind of figured that the force in star wars is Intent from the books. I havent seen Star Trek though. But my point stands - the fact that these productions resonate so much with the viewer speaks volume - aka something completly made up wont ripple like that. I think that they can create a kind of problem that i hardly can describe. Seeing all this stuff with supernatural and super abilities and what not kind of satisfies that deep drive in every individual to search for it themselves and gives them false expectations of it.
At some point in the books its explained as 4 steps to become a man of knowledge :
1 Realising that the world(and ourself as a part of it) holds a lot more than our culture led us to believe( and more than meets the eye).
2. Once realising this all that is left is to chase the root of "mystery" - with all the time a person can commit.
My point is that these movies satisfy #1. As always though things are not black and white - for sure there was huge push from these movies in some individuals.
I guess that's part of what Carlos is up to. It would be nice to have more than 1 new lineage, to preserve the techniques, but if it just scatters into everything, something will come from it eventually. Little pieces of knowledge here and there.
Star Wars was more than "intent". To quote Yoda: "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter."
Carlos mentioned that when don Juan showed them to him, he felt like a membrane was being broken.
The membrane is associated other places in his books with passing between worlds.
It could be that the fliers do exist, but in one of the other 600 worlds we have access to.
That's the only place I've seen anything remotely resembling what he describes. I haven't seen even a hint of them here.
That's a lot of worlds to explore! My long-term travel itinerary is going to need some modification...
edit: 2018 was gangbusters for the animated tv show Rick and Morty. In it a pre-teen/young teen goes traipsing around the multiverse, with the aid of a portal device, with his usually drunk genius grandpa. The worlds they visit...well you'd have to give it a watch to appreciate the creativity.
There is a little bit more information:
Image to think about...
Apparently the fliers aren't always around. Here's a quote from someone's workshop notes. It's attributed to Taisha:
`Also other good places to find "voladores" are funeral homes where people gatter to indulge in self-pittyness and "poor-baby" attitude, is not their fault is just the way it is.`
I guess I'll have to pay more attention and go places where I might see them. But my daytime seeing is very poor. I have to be in heightened awareness to pull it off during the day.
Maybe a bus stop outside a funeral home...
Thanks for your great help, as always.
Can you tell me how they look like in real life and in our dreams?
I can't say I've seen them anywhere, in dreaming or waking.
I once saw what could be one, in another world. It was one of the parallel worlds we can switch to.
But as Carol pointed out in those workshop notes, you're just borrowing the body of someone else in the worlds you visit in which you seem to already have an existence.
In that world it looked sort of like a walrus but with a much simpler face, and a bigger mouth.
Hey, danl999, just a quick heads-up:
existance is actually spelled existence. You can remember it by ends with -ence.
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I sometimes can see/feel someting black moving around me(in pitch black eyes closed), and at that moment i feel great relief like some burden came off me(and a physical crack on some of the room items). Ive had some dreams with pure black balls enveloped by light strings which i assumed was human energy. One was like leeching my "light" -it was so fed that it felt more human than anything else. Truth is maybe im creating this based on the books , maybe its totally unrelated. However i have heard interesting stories by people that never heard the concept , on the verge of narco death + tubercolosis - tens and tens of these black shadows flying through the guy until he felt completly empty of any life force until they were not interesed ( he was neither dead nor alive at this point as he describes it). HE has another one with a fed one( on his meth rampage) that litteraly makes noise when flying off - subconsciously registering his connection to it.
I don’t think the ones you described as dark masses that crack the room objects, are related to fliers. I think they could be your allies or something helpful that give you the sense of relieving. Is it true that you sense them when you are in a warrior mood rather than a indulging mood?
Fliers drain people’s energy by giving them indulging thoughts, emotions, etc.
What do you think about all this? Am I right?
As i said im not sure at all but truth be told i can sense these when my attention has the edge .. aka heightened awereness or whatever it is
If they exist, do you think being aware of them will get them to leave you alone? It won't. When you reclaim the capacity to actually see them, do you think they will leave you alone then? They won't.
The only thing we should be concerning ourselves with is practicing until we become so unpalatable to them they leave for good, and the foreign installation (or if you prefer 'collectively imposed state') is permanently purged from our energy structure (losing the human form).
Then you will be alone...
Edit: and if this is enough to get you hooked, and to actually do what we've all read about...then Castaneda was right, and it was wise to assume that they exist. And if after you lose the human form you discover they didn't exist...it was wise to assume they exist.
Im aware of that first paragraph you mention. In the end truly it doesnt mean anything if they do exist or dont. The walls must be overcome, whatever is behind them - that im sure. All i want is to approve the way im allowing the universe/spirit/ to express my self as itself.
Exactly. But they do exist. Don Juan made it crystal clear, he explained perfetly. The world we live in is a predatory one, why would you ever think we're at the top of the food chain? One needs to have a ridiculous amount of power to be able to witness them, remember they were secrets even among the warriors, DJ himself only ever told Castaneda the last time they saw each other in the second attention. But like you said, it doesn't matter, there's something stopping us from reaching the essence, and we gotta overcome it.
What bothers me is that cyclical "reset" that i get. I cant explain it but as i get more clarity and power to act i get to a point where everything makes sense and then ill have a nightmare that sometimes i cant remember but when i wake up the bed is soaking in sweat. At this point the dialogue is back with IMMENSE power, clarity is gone etc. I cant explain these one way or the other but it has happened way to much so i cant unsee it.
Yep, I also have cyclical resets. As a matter of fact I've just had one right now. It really sucks. Is it the flyer? Yeah, probably, and what the fuck do we do about it?
They exist. I do not know to what extent. I just read Castanedas description of them. I know of him but have not read his book(s?). Three times I have seen them in the clear. The first time I thought I was having a brain event. Another time around and in a person tortured by self thought who told me he was fighting a demon inside himself. The third time is when I saw and finally understood what they do to people. Castenadas description is precisely what I saw each time. I had described it to myself as achromatic darkness, a roiling, a black hole in our reality. Before reading his explanation just moments ago, I had self realized that mindfulness was critical to self protection and that our nature as a species is hijacked and our minds filled with daily trash while achieving consciousness requires clearing our thoughts and more importantly our feelings, our emotions. How we treat ourselves and others being of paramount importance.
I’m no student of meditation or into any of this mystical stuff, I’ve just encountered things I can’t explain - I don’t know why I sense and see them. And you can sense them, some more powerful than others and I believe they can sense when you are aware of them. They can come looking for you. ...the worst part of reading that bit of Castenada - I fully understand his frustration in trying to explain his knowledge of reality to the author. That part is correct too, how people react, how they seemingly know the reality at a deep level but battle with themselves.
Visual Confirmation - I saw my first flyer around the age of 25, and again at the age of 70. It took a lifetime before I identified it as Carlos's flyer, and I verified my sighting against reports from shamanic students, who observed the same entity moving from one person to another, laying on the floor during a shamanic demon extraction training session.
First Appearance of Mr. Smoke- I was working through a major conflict in my deep therapy at 25, and one morning as I was walking across campus to get coffee, the sun hit my left shoulder, and suddenly out popped a column of thick grey smoke. I was stunned as I watched this awful formless grey thing emerge from my body, and rise quietly about 8-10 ft into the air. As it moved through the air, it began to reform itself into a head with two large arms. I watched in shock, as this large grey thing left my body, and flew quickly through the air towards a couple of students a few hundred feet away, waiting for a bus. I could feel my heart sinking, as I watched the large smoky arms open as it neared the students and disappeared into their bodies. The students showed no reactions.
Second Appearance - At the age of 70, I was walking toward my meditation spot on my property, to perform a special ritual for departed souls, when the sun streamed through the trees to hit my left shoulder. Out jumped Mr. Smoke again, and he seemed to brush me aside as though he was in a big hurry to get away from me, and I actually yelled "Hey!" as it brushed past me. It launched itself into the air and followed the path ahead, before flying into a rabbit hole where it disappeared into ground. I was stunned again, but this time, I had a sense that Mr. Smoke did not like being around me anymore. Was this the same entity, or its progeny? When it jumped out of my left side, I saw it momentarily out of: "the left corner of my left eye".
Questions: Is this the carrier of the Wetico virus that has cursed humanity since Jericho? Is this the virus that colonizes our brains, and spreads its mental pathology in males, which results in growth of the Supremacist mind, a pernicious corruption of the male ego? The Supremacist mind has a history as the most destructive force to have cursed humanity and the environment.
I've seen it feeding off my body when I was having a nightmare. I shook myself awake and it flew away.
They're doing something more complete and intense than the meaning found in "feeding on your emotions". When you invest emotional energy into a thought or circumstance, experience, etc, you are building up the glowing coat of awareness, capitulating it, with the experiences that are, for all intents and purposes, what constitutes your life. What they THEN do, is cause the thought, encourage the movement of awareness, which subtly encourages you to let that beautiful potential or willing participation go. A sudden jolt of intense doubt and discomfort to not try and go ask out this girl or hug this guy even tho you really wanted to, a habitual rejection of simple happiness because it was made to be equated with weakness in your brain, dimming the shine of your intelligence or self expression because you suddenly fear making others envious, not reaching out to Dad because you suddenly doubted your ability to relate, etc etc. Whenever we want something in our life, and automatically find ourselves investing in it, they sow a seed of doubt or fear or paranoia or what have you, and once we make the decision to be better off WITHOUT that energetic potential in our life right now, is when it gets you, because you lose the awareness of your willingness to have that desired experience, so the coat of awareness which was being capitulated by the process of this human being lovingly and self-awaredly and FREELY living their life, is reduced (flayed or sucked away) by the subtle manipulation of the belief and perception of the human being TOWARDS their OWN coat of awareness/life energy/willingness/sense of self.... and then they probably get some sick satisfaction in getting themselves off by getting to dominate or suck on or otherwise absorb a small sliver of our ability to have an emotional sense of self, and loving connection to reality.... And it's worst when certain thoughts and understandings get your hopes up, to get you invested, and then you suddenly get wacked by doubt and fear again, which over time can lead to a broken spirit and deeeeeeep resentments.
The question then becomes. Once I let go of a potential for my life, once I am unwilling to hold onto something I Love, is the energy contained in the potential for my connection to it being taken and consumed, or is it just not in my awareness in those moments? How much of this process is my own untrustworthy pessimistic thinking, and how much is coming from a creature actually meaning me to be depleted? This is a very important question to explore.
Mind is always a foreign mind. Only intent is ours.
And I believe they also create emotional moments, like about family or social justice, that attract our attention to make us emotional. And to divert us from intent.
Thanks for adding your thoughts here.
Do you say that because we have a mind which is capable of thinking separately from the rest of life? I always thought there was indeed a rational, judgemental, and mathematical function to our brain, but the flyers gave us the ability to get away with mindlessly ignoring our emotion and connection and love, in favor of these functions, leading to endless needy thought loops and obsessions destined to failure. I think we're capable of doing what the flyers do, detaching from life and love and stealing others satisfaction and peace, but it hurts us so bad we avoid doing it at all costs, that is, unless we've had a moment of severe trauma and the flyers mind accosts us with a dark temptation to seal away our pain, and deflect hatred onto something relatively innocent, like the experience of the trauma or whoever caused it. I think that's how most people get stuck. They reject aspects of life that they've blamed for their suffering, become severely depressed or judgemental and barely live at all, because they've grown disgusted or afraid of life and vulnerability and honesty and righteous discipline. Discipline that would lead them to reject self sabotaging thoughts from the flyers perspective, and immediately move and connect how they actually want. Somehow along the way, we got ransacked and filled up with negative beliefs and limitations, so people struggle to touch their heart, REALLY use their mind, or feel personally empowered with free and deeply felt intentions.
That's good.
My idea about our mind is that it's like an application in our computer that is connected to a server. So it may serve us sometimes, but it's getting its commands from a server that may not have our best interests at heart.
I like that. Looking back, there was always a huge backdrop of lonliness and disconnection whenever I move into thinking and out of being whatever I want in the moment. It seems more and more that they are actually mutually exclusive. One is life and one is logical deduction from a limited perspective. When you need an answer and your awareness isn't chained to thoughts, the answer usually just comes right to you, as long as you're willing to receive and you actually want the answer and your forehead space or whatever can handle the movement of energy. I'm not sure about any of this tho I ought to go get some more experiences.
I totally agree. That happened to me a lot. Need to formulate it on how to make it work. Somehow to use more potential of this brain.
The thing is you just use all of it. The only way not to is by doing all of this thinking and depressing and wondering about the self that's unfortunately so easy to do. You don't have to make it work. That's another thing that gets us, because us looking at our minds wondering on and trying to fix it, isn't using it, its judging it, thereby limiting it. Like a video game character constantly rearranging or reading their own skills, rather than having fun with and using them freely. The better we get at silence the more usefully it will move information enough for us to replace the deduction and judgemental reflection everyone is caught in, and using as the basis for their shitty experiences. This is supposed to be incredibly easy, and natural. The reason it isn't, is because we're literally wired to judge and control and make things harder. Real, unfailing intelligence from what I see is a function of connection and emotion and simply knowing what you want, and intending it automatically, it happens as easily as breathing and it looks as close to perfect expression as you can get being in a goofy human body. And most of the time we just want that incredible feeling of aliveness and potential, and to not lose that power going through daily life. In order to do that, we may or may not have to move through what specefically kicked us out of being willing to live with such power. To encounter the "problem" that having that power creates, enough to be willing to us this power without being afraid or attaching something to it. Thereby doing it freely, no "finally I've done it!" ego screams, existential fears, worries, "who's watching me's" etc etc. It's something that stops us and ditties the intent. The intent morphs into a desire for safety and comfort and ego things or whatever and out of free and infinite expression and connection.
I agree. Everything we do is either caused by it or is a way to go deeper into its nets.
I made this with AI, they look like this when I saw them.
Just one month ago Tim Tactic on the Jeff Mara podcast on You Tube came forward and said as a first hand experiencer since childhood and in the "program" specifically in Germany DUMBS, MILABS, Secret Unacknowledged Special Access Programs and the University/Corporate/Deep State contracts/collabs. In other words he says he basically KNOWS IT ALL FIRST HAND, and has been in use with the VERY EXOTIC TECHNOLOGIES AND ETS, MULTIDIMENSIONALS, and on and on.
Here goes. He said he has been vested with the responsibility and the authority to tell the world and us mere mortals the following...MESSAGE, MANKND IS INFESTED WITH A THOUGHT FORM PARASITE OF AN ULTRATERRESTIAL FORCE. This THOUGHT FORM PARASITE HAS BEEN LOCATED BY UNIVERSITY STUDIES SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOT IT USING IMAGING TECHNOLOGY AND IT HAS BEEN LOCATED. IT IS LOCATED AT THE BASE OF THE BRAIN IN SOME DENSELY PACKED CELLS WHICH SUPPORT IT'S FORM AND FUNCTION.
Flyer anyone ???
"If you don't control it, it's not yours" These are not some abstract concept. The predator has been your mind for so long you think it's you. When you have inner silence, in deep meditation, try to sense a presence. It's replicating you. It's blending with you and you think your thoughts are yours but they are something else's and you think they are yours. Very creepy but it doesn't have to be. It just is. It's not like its going to kill or damage you. If you go deep into inner silence and "let go" of everything. You will have an urge, an addiction to think. That addiction to thought is what is hard to break and THAT is the control method the flyer is using to be you and manipulate your thoughts. If you can stop doing that, you become your true self, for perhaps a few seconds as it's hard to hold that state. But if what Don Juan says is true, eventually the predator leaves.
I've been through a lot of religions and spiritual practices, and as alien as Don Juan's knowledge sounds, it's the truest description of the state of the universe I believe. It explains more and the practices bring more result. Not that you can't get results with other stuff, it's just that this other stuff pecks around the periphery and doesn't get at the core. I do think Don Juan's lack of "between lives" knowledge is the one area the books are lacking. Thousands of Near Death Experience returnees pretty much confirm that death is not the end, and it's in fact, the waking up of a person from this dream. When the energetic egg collapses, the person loses their humanness but not their existence.