What's all this Nonsense About Scooping Colors in Darkness???

I always get the initial reaction, when people write to me and I tell them to focus on Zuleica's technique,

"I didn't notice anything about colors in the books!"

Maybe I emphasize Zuleica's technique because of all the tensegrity moves I had to do in class. And my modifications to make you more active, so you don't fall asleep due to lack of heightened awareness, are taken straight from Sunday classes.

I did my share of jumping up and grabbing unseen things. I have to wonder what my friends in this video were actually thinking, seeing as how Carlos didn't bother to mention that you can actually see the things you'll eventually grab. Or, in my case, get an inorganic being to find them for you.

He did an amusing mimic of a person looking around in the air, his gaze and concentration unbending as he scanned above him, until he got a pleased look on his face, and jumped up to grab something he'd located. You can kind of see that in these faces. They took it seriously back then!

If that wasn't a clue that you need to actually search for colors, I don't know what could be.

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u/danl999 2 points 2019-08-15 22:20

Carlos always told us, he was saturating us. And when the time came, we'd automatically know which tensegrity move to do.

I just didn't expect the time to come 20 years later.

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u/tryerrr 2 points 2019-08-16 00:03

Apparently it works, at least partially.

Ack if this sounds right: when waking from kinda falling into a shallow sleep (from boredom of looking at darkness for 1+ hours, here not full darkness so with eyes slightly closed and slightly crossed) nothing seemingly happens. Then as you remember and start “harping”, the scene around suddenly becomes 3d (eyes fully open, objects in room are as if on a different plane, a “layer” below), you get goosebumps, and some weird details like sharp-outlined highlights (like color behind leg, partially occluded by leg being dark) and transparent-looking 3d objects the eyes focus on, which you feel are present but transparent.. not sure about the latter parts as fast moving “bookdeal” thoughtlets diverted attention.. took a good couple blinks to stop perceiving the “overlay 3d layer”and get back to normal perception.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2019-08-16 00:36

Sounds like progress 👍

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u/danl999 1 points 2019-08-16 17:35

Yea, I love those goosebumps! It's the assemblage point moving a lot, but not so much that you lose consciousness (blank out).

It's a controlled movement.

I think, just my theory, that all of us have an advantage over the students of don Juan.

He couldn't use this technique, of people learning on their own. You'd have to have hundreds of "volunteers" to even try that. Not practical for his lineage.

So they hoodwinked people into learning. And that seems to have come with some bad things, like Carlos getting ill and having to resort to Howard Lee's services.

I'm hoping, we have the advantage of controlled movements of the assemblage point.

By "controlled", I really mean pathetic. But pathetic is all we have, and it does build up over time.

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-16 19:14

Warning: It'll take more and more work, not less and less, until you finally do it every single day. At that point, it takes less work. Except, you're having to do it every single damned day...

What you're doing is redeploying easy to access lost energy, thus the goosebumps. I couldn't get goosebumps anymore from that level of activity. I've already used up that energy, maybe 20 years ago.

So don't be disappointed. Remember what don Juan said. It was something like, you have to work like a dog to make progress.

Just because you did something once, doesn't mean it'll happen again. Only a real sorcerer can do things on demand, and you have to be very far past stopping the world, to get to that level.

Stopping the world is in your path, but a long ways away due to latent images.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2019-08-16 20:28

Do the images seen during "daydreaming" count as latent images? For example now, upon closing my eyes, I see a dark blue little toy sailboat with the number 43 in black letters outlined in white on the side, with a white sail. I have no idea what it's about and it's not being ACTIVELY imagined. In fact I have no emotional reaction to it at all, and am not really thinking at all...ie "mind is blank."

In fact it only works if my mind is blank.

Edit: if anyone (trolls) wants to check timestamps I saw that little toy sailboat sometime yesterday afternoon or mid-evening, before responding today to one of u/danl999 's comments with talk about freedom and mountain men/hobo's and such.

It was simply a better example of what I wanted to get across.

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-16 20:42

Of course that counts!!!

However, we don't have any instructions for how to follow that lead. What to do with it? What is the procedure, so to speak?

But I'd suggest, just watch it as long as you can, while being silent. It'll certainly shift your assemblage point. You just might not get goosebumps.

And if you can get silent, and still speak, I’d greet it earnestly when it shows up. Talk to it and thank it for coming. Tell it that it’s welcome to return anytime.

You actually have to notice and play with things, or you’ll ignore them in the long run.

For example, Cholita told me last night that she used to get very high doing tensegrity in Carlos' Sunday classes.

That means her assemblage point had moved, and she was sensing the second attention in things.

But it came to not, because no one explained to her that she was on the verge of real progress.

She turned to witchcraft and has gone mad.

So thank your sailboat and be grateful for it. Maybe we’ll eventually get my Fairy to sail in it.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2019-08-17 12:23

I tried recalling the mental image of the sailboat while silent with eyes closed and after a few seconds the area where the numbers were started to bow out like that scene in the movie Alien where the xenomorph starts coming out of the stomach and their skin stretches.

Oddly it was accompanied with the feeling/sensation/sense memory of cold taffy being worked by one of those machines, like my body was being internally stretched and twisted along with that side of the toy sailboat. I even felt it in my teeth, the feeling of biting into cold taffy.

The center of feeling is likely what's being activated (?).

Edit: so you're thinking that some of the imagery may actually be a dreaming scout from the inorganics? Or if it's not, that looking at it as if it's real is an analogue of looking for colors in the dark which also aren't really there, until they become more heightened (real).

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-17 21:14

I can't answer any of those, but I do suspect that was an inorganic being saying hello. But even if it wasn't, if you learned to actually play with that toy boat, one would possibly come to watch.

It's interesting that people will have different experiences while trying to bring the second attention forward. That is I guess, what we're trying to build here. A list of possible experiences, that you shouldn't ignore.

Myself, I tend to favor Moses parting the sea with a magical staff. That kind of Spielberg moment.
But talking to a former student of Carlos, Cholita, there are many other ways it can manifest as it comes out. And we need to not ignore them, so we can do that more.

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u/tryerrr 2 points 2019-08-18 16:49

There was some scene in the books about the female apprentices with gorda doing a demo for carlos, and then explaining that they had to roll on the floor to gather energy from earth (rolling for females, lying on the back with feet closed together with some clawing arm position for males), and similar energy possible to gather by getting sunlight or other light source into the eyes (esp. left eye). Is that vecause by squinting you get a glimpse of the “dark background” and the sunlight/light acts as a trigger to make it easier to “highlight”/distinguish features?

Basically “fire kasina”-style?

Edit: to clarify, point is, perhaps this “extra energy from light source” allows to enter the initual states faster, by “seeding” with a long afterimage.. as firekasina people seem to have pretty short initial stages, on the order of tens of minutes.
Similarly in the swiss “eye floaters” book, the exercise was using moon/sun as a bright object and then working with afterimages to “seed” the initial stages..

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-18 18:58

I haven't figured out why you should look at flashes of sunlight through your eyelashes. But these days if I do it, I can feel my assemblage point move deeper into heightened awareness because my breathing gets even calmer and I get a little rush of endorphins.

But I haven't noticed that doing that gives me more dreaming energy.

About the claw technique. Wow!!!! That's an amazing technique.

The inorganic beings love whatever it manages to grab. Visually, you can picture it as scooping through potential colors and fine lines you can see in darkness. There don't have to be any at that position for it to work. It seems to stir up it's own "mess" of lines and dots of colors. Primary colors too, like red, blue, and yellow.

They'll be stuck in a mass or hair, made out of light. When you look into it, you get a very dark but pleasant feeling. Something familiar from childhood perhaps, as the creepy feeling small children get when their bedroom is too dark.

The low energy inorganic I have will zip right onto it, like a dog running to lap peanut butter off your hands.

And I can move my hand around, but the junk is still stuck on it. It's fully directional! That means, it doesn't follow the movement of your head or eyes. It's like real stuff.

You can also point it at places on "the wall", to get just that spot to become more intense.

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u/tryerrr 1 points 2019-08-18 19:54

It might not be thru eyelashes. Theoretically if you squint/close eyes ~99% and NOT focus on the open part, the light entering thru that 1% will bounce inside, only reaching the retina as reflected by the inner eyelid surface, which can be used as a seed to distinguish the faint patterns which you wouldn’t notice before, giving a possible bridge to 2att...?

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-18 19:57

That reminds me of the "sleepy look" women can sometimes get when they're pondering immediate sex. They close their right eye, and peer through just a tiny slit on the left eye.

God only knows what they're actually up to. But after watching people at Huntington beach peer, I'm convinced everyone is a sorcerer. They just use only tiny pieces of it, and consider them to be ordinary and perfectly normal.

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u/danl999 1 points 2019-08-15 22:43

From the Chinese bosses' son:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waidan

He translated some of this next video but it was too fast for me to get it exact.

"Manipulating energy, shoulder thing, put it on your stomach, turtle breathing."

They have all kinds of names for things. Here's the "wing movement", he says. Ahhhh... Stack your fingers to be a fist. Oh!!! I like these (wiggling his hands up high). You're holding the sky, pointing the ground...

The old people do that in the parks in the morning. Then they go sit together, and rant about politics or talk about grand kids. They don't actually go home and do any waidan; it's the social interaction they're after.

Which perhaps means, you could do tensegrity for 20 years, but still not get much further along than thinking it was a good exercise with good friends around.

I guess I'll see if I get lynched, for commenting otherwise on that tensegrity video. So far, no lynchings.

But I didn't seek out that video. Carlos' sexy girl, "Cholita", found it for me. That constituted an invite, so I left comments. I am after all, trying to follow the trail of intent.

The Taoists (left over alchemists from an Akkadian poppy wine cult) are the ones who actually try to visually see the waidan.

Here's another (on TV):

She sort of says, you're supposed to do these movements to get into Zen meditation.

But even if you can't speak mandarin, you'll hear "waidan" a few times.

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u/takestheraftwithhim 1 points 2019-08-16 03:50

Thank you. This is hilarious.

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-16 18:19

I both dearly love Asia, and also despise it. And from what I can tell, even many Asians feel that way.

Let me tell a Japan story.

A 4 day weekend came around, and somehow I knew Carlos wouldn’t have Sunday classes that weekend.

So without anyone knowing, I took a plane to Tokyo.

I didn't bring anything, there wasn't time.

I was wandering around near the college, where the most famous red light district in Japan is also located. Perhaps for the convenience of male college students. Or maybe, it's staffed by college girls who want to earn a little money on the side.

Who knows? It's Asia.

I stopped at a McDonald's, because I saw a little boy licking an ice-cream cone. He was looking up at a big poster, advertising a bondage dungeon, right next to the McDonalds.

There was a picture of a women tied up, with a red ball gag in her mouth. You could hire such services.

His mom didn't even blink. As they say in Japan, "It can't be helped."

I was curious about what else was going on, but I hadn’t brought a watch, and wanted to know how late it was. Arriving in Japan is a little disorienting, due to the time change.

There were no smart phones back then so I had nothing with which to know the time.

I saw a crew of vicious looking motorcycle gang members, posing with their legs resting on their Harley Davidson bikes. They looked really tough, decked out in shiny black leather with chains.

That area is known for yakuza standing on corners, in case you want something "special". By special I mean, something you can’t advertise openly.

The Yakuza are the descendants of men who handle dead things. Leather makers, undertakers, and the like. As a result, they are "unclean", meaning, they have evil spirits following them. Being such, they have no choice but to become criminals.

As long as the "public" isn't hurt, the police are ok with it. If a yakuza crosses the line, they're banished to Bangkok for 6 months, where the Yakuza owns all the prettiest girls in the bars.

I was a little worried, because it looked like the high fashion motorcycle gang was out for a fight. The men seemed to be chewing on something, grinding their teeth with an angry look.

However, they had 2 extremely hot looking female gang members, also decked out in leather and chains, but wearing the shortest mini-skirts I’d ever seen.

So I walked up to the tough looking gang, and asked what time it was.

The leader rushed up to me, stood the proper distance, and bowed deeply. As I recall, he actually bowed 3 times.

He lifted his watch up to show me the time, and all the rest of the “gang” bowed too. The women covered their mouths and giggled for me.

Later a Japanese man explained it to me. They are rebelling against the oppressive Japanese social order. And they like the freedom that the image of “Hell’s Angels” represents.

But in order to remain Japanese, they have to rebel in some established social offshoot. Wear the same clothes, and do the same things.

So by trying to escape to freedom, they merely ended up switching which chicken coop they were trapped in.

I hope that isn't what happened to all of Carlos' former students.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2019-08-16 18:32

I don't know if the average man in modern times has ever experienced actual total freedom. Was a 1930's depression-era train-hopping hobo totally free? How about a mountain man past the edges of the American frontier in the 1700's?

Maybe perceptual freedom is the best we can hope for. That and being able to "teleport." Man I'd make some serious material and time sacrifices to gain that capability!

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-16 18:38

I memorized the Forbidden City's courtyard. I'm still hoping to go there in my energy body.

If you learn to form it, and then focus it on something, there's a good chance it'll return there later.

Carlos used to say the average person's energy body was just wandering around, somewhere out there, and no way to find it.

So I suspect Zuleica's technique is largely a trick to lure it closer, rather than an actual way to "build" it.

But we have no one around to answer such questions. We have to find out ourselves.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2019-08-15 23:37

get an inorganic being to find them for you.

I came across a passage when looking up that 8 points diagram page that said that the inorganics (usually?) do not pursue women, only men, and that the universe was mostly female/feminine...and to draw your own conclusions (or something to that effect).

Did any of the female members in the classes have experiences with the inorganics?

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u/danl999 1 points 2019-08-15 23:39

I never heard of any.

But I'm happy to hear that my little fairy is probably not a transvestite.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

I guess I'll get her to lift up her skirt, the next time she has one. Actually, just saying it here is likely to get her to do it herself. She did try it a week ago.

Yes, you can get them to do that. But if you stare too much, "it" mutates.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 0 points 2019-08-16 00:01

From The Art of Dreaming, page 1219 in that all-in-one PDF:

"...He stated that the nagual Rosendo's miscalculation was to assume that the inorganic beings are not, in the slightest, interested in women. His reasoning was correct and was guided by the sorcerers' knowledge that the universe is markedly female and that maleness, being an offshoot of femaleness, is almost scarce, thus, coveted.

Don Juan made a digression and commented that perhaps that scarcity of males is the reason for men's unwarranted dominion on our planet.

Page 1261:

I thought I had caught don Juan in a serious contradiction. He had told me that the inorganic beings were not interested at all in women. Now he was asserting the opposite.

"No. I'm not asserting the opposite," he remarked when I confronted him. "I've said to you that the inorganic beings don't pursue females; they only go after males. But I've also said to you that the inorganic beings are female, and that the entire universe is female to a large degree. So draw your own conclusions."

The first passage has some great additional bits of juicy information about the nagual Elias and Amalia. They were transported bodily into the realm of the inorganics after they were drawn to them by the combined energy of a human male and female, one of which was a nagual/double being.

Apparently women can come and go to the universe of the inorganics with ease and are not actively pursued, if alone. They have in essence a scout on demand to transport themselves there. This is detailed in the second passage.

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u/danl999 2 points 2019-08-16 17:29

Yea, the picture regarding women is slowly starting to emerge.

But I disagree with don Juan. Women control this world. They create the internal dialogues in children. Their creations might allow for men to seem to dominate, but that's just because the men do useful things for them.

Obviously they can't stop the bad things men do, but the general framework of what's allowed, is controlled by the internal dialogues they produce.

They also don't seem to need to "learn" sorcery. From what I can tell, they can just do it, if someone shows them.

But they almost have to give in, or decide to hook themselves to that person.

Thus sexing them up, was a wise choice on Carlos' part.

I still disapprove, but he stood the best chance to make rapid progress, if he got the women to be intimate.

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u/danl999 3 points 2019-08-16 19:06

The title of this tensegrity video is, "The Series for Preparing Intent".

It hadn't yet occurred to me that Carlos was probably the selector of the titles, or at the least, he explained it in a way that led someone else to chose that title.

This one is interesting. If he hadn't included that word, "Preparing", I'd be clear on what it means.

You're intending, when you look for colors in the darkness. That's precisely what intent is. You expect to see some colors, even though it's crazy. And yet, you manage to "intend" them in the long run.

But "preparing intent" implies you're also invoking an external force. Maybe you prepare that external force to help you out?

I've seen it do that.

So I'm not entirely clear on what Carlos was trying to tell us, with this title.

But I do believe, he left a large body of work, which is actually a map. Just as he said sorcerers do. And it takes a while for someone following them, to realize it's literally a map.

I also believe, you'll never notice it's a map, if you become obsessed with posturing, and being an "impeccable warrior".

You'll feel like you aren't lost anymore, so why would you look for a map?

Just be a slob, like everyone knows you are, and do the bad things you shouldn't do.

But practice.