I just started reading the book, and I'm a bit confused.
In the first section of Chapter 2, Carlos writes he's first introduced Mescalito on Monday, Aug 7th, 1961. The next section is dated Saturday, Aug 5th, 1961, where he writes that morning he returned to the house where he was introduced to the Mescalito, and the following section furthers that timeline on Sunday, Aug 6th, 1961.
Is this a publishing error, an intentionality on the part of Carlos, or am I reading too much into it?
I can take pictures with the page numbers showing the dates if there's interest.
Thanks.
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The books get MUCH better as the years went by and Castaneda gets better at the challenge and craft of writing about non-linear events. I was lucky in that the first one I read was his second published, A Separate Reality. He de-emphasizes power plants after the first few books.
Cause and effect, past and present, begin to blur when an individual starts to follow the path. So it's no surprise that one starts looking at time differently. And this is the first book. It gets even more pronounced later on, get used to it.
Thanks. So you think it was moreso a publishing thing rather than Castaneda's intent to mix up the dates?
And in your second paragraph - do you mean to say that the timelines and chronology get even more mixed up as the books go on, due to Castaneda's progression along the path?
I do think it's a subtle tool he might have employed to subconsciously aid in becoming comfortable with the eventual experience of non-linearity, something that everyone will experience as they progress. It can be quite unsettling, which I suspect is part of the point.
If you can make it through that without getting hung-up, then you'll likely be amendable...meaning your assemblage point (perception)/worldview isn't so rigid that you'd have difficulty absorbing it all without taking entheogens (power plants).
Ah okay - makes sense, thanks. Yeah I think I'll be okay - my journey thus far has challenged basically everything I've believed so far in my life and I'm getting used to that. Most recently - recalling memories that I can't really attribute to my life (as this vessel has experienced it, anyway). Fun and frightening stuff.
One of my favorites quotes so far which has been certainly applicable to me (as a Marine combat veteran) - "A man goes to knowledge as he goes to war, wide-awake, with fear, with respect, and with absolute assurance. Going to knowledge or going to war in any other manner is a mistake, and whoever makes it will live to regret his steps."
This happens in recapitulation when the assemblage point has shifted enough.
The memories can be of another person on a strand of beads. Like a beaded curtain. You can move from one bead to the other, and find that you also live there.
I've done it! It's no joke. I remained in one of them for 2 weeks.
But my advice is, if you are in fact experiencing this during recapitulation, you should go on the lookout for inorganic beings.
Dark energy. My favorite these days. It's not dark because it's evil. It's dark because when you stare into it, it's dark. And yet, it's not. It's like the wind at night, on an invigorating and very spooky Halloween day.
Inorganic beings give off this energy, and will become somewhat visible during recapitulation. They're attracted to the energy you release when you unlock long lost memories.
They can manifest themselves as "false memories".
If you think about it, all of our interactions with inorganic beings fall into the category of false memories, because they in fact do not have the appearances we attribute to them.
Here's an example of how they can show up in recap. I was once recapitulating, perhaps 25 years ago, and suddenly remembered I left a box on a shelf above my head. I had the feeling, "How could I forget that wonderful box???"
And inside the box was something truly outstanding. A jeweled treasure, all glittery and wonderful.
I could actually see the shelf in my mind. It was just above my head as always. And I knew I only needed to stand up, and grab that box.
The instant I started to move I realized, there's no shelf above my head, and certainly no treasure I forgot about. I went back to recapitulating, and instantly I knew that it was there. I could even begin to see inside the box.
I'm dense, but not that dense. So I gently backed off, which is to say, I moved my assemblage point back to normal. But not understanding what I was doing at the time. You just learn how to do that naturally through recapitulation.
I could go back and forth. It was the most subtle of barriers, and I was playing on the edge of it. On one side, I absolutely had that treasure waiting for me. No doubts in the world!
On the other side of that barrier, it was total delusion. Complete nonsense. There wasn't even a shelf, and in fact I was locked up in a recapitulation booth.
That's what you should look for in recapitulation or meditation. Boundaries you can play on.
That boundary is where you could actually snag yourself an inorganic being, and keep it around forever. I hope one of you does that. I was too stupid at the time to try it.
On the other hand, one of the very few women who've ever written to me started to have false memories while doing Buddhist meditation.
She was heavily into Carlos at one point, but after a few years of writing to me, I accidentally insulted her one time too many (she was Russian). She switched to Dzogchen Buddhism, or something like that.
And the false memories generated by that became so bad that she accused a man she liked of doing something awful to her.
Her "Buddhist Master" told her to stop meditating, and change to being charitable and compassionate to others.
That's not going to work. That's the effect, not the cause. It's like pretending to be wealthy by wearing expensive clothes, but when you aren't really wealthy. It's not going to get you there.
And, my accounting of her history has some flaws, so if she finds this, please correct it.
Interesting - thanks for sharing.
Like I said - I just started reading the book yesterday, so I'm not sure what Recapitulation is.
However, I do meditate regularly (twice a day), and I have had strange experiences during and after. Yesterday during my evening meditation I had a sensation of a yellow orb moving around my periphery - starting on my right, passing across my face, and going to the left before it disappeared again. After my meditation, I felt as if my third eye was wide open, moreso than it's ever been before, and I felt an overwhelming 'sense' of life and my surroundings at the time. I felt as if I was on the 'lookout' for something (not in a panicky or negative sort of lookout, more of a sense of awe than anything), but I wasn't quite sure what it was. This feeling faded over the course of an hour or so.
Regarding your specific instance of
What was your basis for that timeline? Two weeks in this reality, or two weeks in that reality? Again, this is all new to me, so just looking for context.
It was a steady 2 weeks in that timeline, but skipping from point to point. I didn't know it at the time, I just found myself in a living room interacting with people I knew, then I found myself at dinner with them, remembering all that was in between if I put my mind to it, but not having actually experienced it.
A full 2 weeks went by, because I was paying attention to the time. I wanted to see what would happen.
It only took 14 hours. But 14 hours of fully lucid dreaming is notable in itself.
As to how time passes down there, it seems that if you go inside a dream, in a dream, time does in fact slow down, as in that movie they made about the topic. I've been as deep as 3 levels, and an awful lot can happen in a short time in the waking world.
Sounds like you're a natural born dreamer type. My techniques are ideal for you. They're all taken directly from Carlos' books, but with some slight modifications because we don't have anyone around to help us.
And whatever meditation you've done, keep doing it. It's a good idea to have that as a backup technique, in case you're too tired to practice Carlos' techniques. They're quite fatiguing at first.
Your meditation could likely get you to the same destination as Carlos' techniques, except that towards the end, when you are very near the goal, you have to have the same intent as Carlos, or you won't end up where he describes.
My prejudice is that the others all fall short, stopping at what they believe "enlightenment" is, when in fact that's only a starting point.
But they have their convincing arguments for why you shouldn't pursue the intent of sorcery.
I should mention, because I'm all about building motivation in here:
That movie where they went into dreams inside dreams was "Inception", produced in 2010.
I wrote about dreams inside dreams, and the time change, back in the 90s along with others who were practitioners of Carlos' dreaming techniques. It's still all on Sustained action web page.
So that movie was yet another influenced by Carlos' writings.
It wasn't the other way around.
Thanks for sharing!
As for dreaming - I used to have really vivid, lucid dreams as a child - but they were mostly nightmares. They'd start out okay, but eventually turn incredibly dark. As I got older, my dreams (well, memories of at least) mostly faded. Two weeks ago, though, my wife and I went to Costa Rica to work with Ayahuasca. The next few nights I had incredibly lucid dreams which were overwhelming and frightening to me. I've since had more dreams, but haven't worked much within that realm.
Interestingly enough, my wife is a full-on lucid and conscious dreamer. She's been developing that work a bit more now that we've started on this journey, and she has walked into my dreams occasionally.
It's funny - I think my proclivity is towards meditation - as I've been able to enter her consciousness from meditative states, while her focus is mostly on dreams. Quite complementary. I'll definitely look more into dreaming, particularly if it follows suit with the rest of the Castaneda books.
Can you elaborate more on this?
I was following you up until that point, in terms of meditation and dream work getting to the same point eventually (enlightenment), and so on.
Go look up Shenzen Young's video. It's in here somewhere. Go to the time mark where he dismisses the little drummer man standing on his hand, as an amusing thing for philosophers.
He's stopped at enlightenment (internal silence).
The wife is in to it?
Here's what I know about wives: 1 wife = almost no practice time.
Cholita is driving me crazy, using up my time. But she makes up for it by materializing in her energy body in full sunlight, or loading me up with dark energy.
Women have oodles of energy males can use. I don't understand why. Maybe it's to enslave us.
So if you have a wife who also practices, that's the jackpot.
For more lucid dreaming on your part, learn to be silent during the day. The more silence, the more dreaming.
It doesn't seem to guarantee you'll wake up in the dreams (become lucid), but rather they become more episodic, with repeating guest appearances. But you could obsess about that, and become lucid quite often.
The episodic nature of the dreams is probably an inorganic being (Ally) noticing you're releasing more energy because you've become silent. If the characters seem to only want to sit around and hug or chat, and the dreams are much more stable than usual, that's an inorganic being.
But if you really learn to be silent during the day, you won't need to be asleep to enter a dream. I do it nightly. I only need darkness.
Meditation? Wonderful... I have to stop myself from changing from watching colors, and playing with inorganic beings, to the wonderful restfulness of meditation.
What you're looking for is anything which produces a sense of depth, or colors, inside your closed eyes. If you meditate and suddenly your darkness looks like it has depth, you're at the door of heightened awareness.
If you can see visions there, you're nearly fully in it.
Keep in mind, you are asleep, but awake. Doesn't matter if you can stand up, it's sleep walking all the same.
But it'll likely take years to understand that.
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Yeah, I'm pretty blessed to have a wife who's on the same journey as me. Funnily enough, this path was not present for either of us, nor anything we were interested in. However, it's revealed itself consistently to both of us at relatively the same pace, and we're both very supportive of each other's work.
I'm getting to the point now during my meditations that with my eyes closed there's an infinite depth to what I "see" - sometimes colors, sometimes blankness (not darkness), energy, etc. I'm not too concerned about figuring out "what to do next" - I'm sure it'll reveal itself as I'm ready. This has been my method so far and has been working well enough.
If you get a chance, take some of what you saw, and create a storyline for it. I don't mean lie, or add stuff. Just extract anything linear from a single day's, or from a common day's, experiences, and post it.
I want more people to know that seeing colors in the darkness is a given for human beings, because for some it takes a lot of work to see them. Some of that is doubt stirring up the internal dialogue, and hearing that others did it will help with that.
In your case, you didn't achieve silence, but the technique you're using altered your internal dialogue enough to let your assemblage point shift, and you ended up in heightened awareness. When you get there, you can go ahead and think a little. It doesn't require absolute silence anymore.
Any sensations you feel along the way are good too, if you feel like writing it up. You know what I mean: your thoughts seem to have sunk to your stomach, you feel like you're going down in an elevator, you get a tingle somewhere. Those kinds of things.
(Minus the tingle if it's not in a polite location).
About that "third eye". I've been fighting seeing one of those all the time, like La Gorda did. It keeps trying to superimpose itself in my vision whenever it's dark.
Darned third eye. Go away!
I'm assuming that the further along in Castaneda's books these techniques are explored more?
Boy, I'm starting to worry you're a setup. It's just too good to be true!
Next you're going to offer me your little sister to "teach"?
I'm just joking. I'm still in heightened awareness from Cholita's doings. Carlos paired us off 25 years ago, and I'm surprised what she's been up to during that time.
Full out witchcraft at times. For a while, she was leaving a spell, hidden in my yard, at least once a month. I probably still haven’t found all of them.
The answer is yes, the techniques are explored more. But no one seems to see it. It's odd.
The books are pretty much a series of techniques, mixed with motivational messages. The problem is, people get the motivational messages, but ignore the techniques.
The most powerful technique for learning seeing is given first: Finding your spot.
But it's so idiotic, people don't get it. Did you notice that was a powerful technique? It’ll take you all the way to changing worlds.
More techniques are scattered all along. For a while it's mostly power plants, but I suspect you could extract a sober technique from those too.
You could pick any of the techniques given along the way, follow instructions, and get some dazzling results.
But just going around thinking about the motivational messages pacifies the mind, and people never get around to actually putting in some work.
Remember, I come from a private class Carlos held for years, with at least 200 people floating in and out.
None learned sorcery. Or if they did, it’s a very selfish form where they keep it to themselves, and don’t care about what happens to Carlos’ reputation.
When followers of Carlos do put in some work, it's typically really pitiful levels of it.
But since they have the motivational messages in their mind, they feel like they're making progress.
In some cases, the techniques are well spelled out. Like the technique for seeing inorganic beings in a stream.
It's so simple, people overlook the fact that it works. It surely works.
Other techniques are harder to find. Don Juan jumps over a house. Taisha flies into the sky. La Gorda climbs an invisible rope.
Those are likely the same technique. I’m working on La Gorda’s version, but I just can’t get myself to pee in my hands.
Doesn’t matter to the inorganics. They seem to love anything flicked from your hands, when you’re in heightened awareness.
But the absolute most powerful technique is to learn to get silent. Without that, you’ll only be wishing and pretending.
Ha - no, no setup here.
I'm just a very analytical person who, almost against my will, had been thrown into "the other side."
I did mushrooms once on 12/31/2017, not enough to cause any sort of visuals or anything - just enough to make me question what 'consciousness' is. My wife and I started meditating regularly in May of 2018, learning the TM method. Within the first months of meditating, I was hearing voices, having 'other' memory recalls, entering 'pipelines', etc.
Since then, I've experienced more 'weirdness' than I ever possibly could have imagined (uncontrollable swaying, affecting others' energy and entering their consciousness, willing things to happen, incredible synchronocities, etc.), and I've just been reading and exploring as much as I can to try and find explanations for these things. Honestly, I was getting bored with the silence in my meditations, and so I was trying other things out that sort of came naturally. I thought meditation=silence for everyone. Is that not the case? I'm at the point where I can freely 'move' around in my meditation (i.e. let my mind enter other places, try new things, explore colors and planes), and I was under the impression that was the next step of meditation, not furthering of the silence. This is what I was hoping I'd be able to learn from these books, and why I joined this sub.
I accept things on my experience alone, and that has proven to be a good guide so far. I also tend to be a fast learner, so new 'techniques' come pretty easily to me, which I'm sure has facilitated my experience.
Well if you're using TM, you can practice the Siddhis. They do in fact work, although maybe not as spectacularly as they promise.
But yes, more silence is the goal. It's great to play around on the way, and TM is especially good for producing interesting effects. But you won't get to the bottom of it all until you can get silent.
And no, TM does not produce silence. It trades one internal dialogue for another. And so it stops short. Practitioners aren't even aware of that.
The fact that you consider silence boring demonstrates that you didn't get there. Silence turns the entire world into a kingdom of unfathomable magic.
About the closest TM comes to silence is with those Siddhi techniques.
Or, if you get creative and try to be fully silent, during the 2 minute rest period.
I understand the difference between repeating a mantra throughout the meditation and being silent - I generally don't need my mantra anymore. In fact, usually when I'm seeing colors, hearing sounds, recalling memories, etc, it's when I'm not using my mantra. Though perhaps I don't understand the difference between my thoughts being silent and actual silence.
You understand, but the depths of internal silence go a lot further than you know so far.
At absolute silence, the world stops. It literally goes away.
It's very hard to see the transition. Thus one of the posters in here was saying, he thought of stopping the world as being like driving off a cliff. I suspect I was making it sound too simple.
I don't know about the driving off a cliff part. Could be.
I've never seen the transition. I just end up wherever you go, remembering that I was super silent, but not actually remembering the instant before it stopped.
So here's what you can do with what you have. If you get silent and watch those colors, they will move your assemblage point. Just watch them, don't worry about whether you need to do anything. If you can figure out how to interact with them, like make them spin or such, that's great.
But the most important thing is to learn to move your assemblage point.
That's what makes the world the way it is. When you can move it, you have other choices.
In the beginning, it will likely feel like this: You'll be watching the colors, and maybe even so long that you get bored.
At some point you will seem to doze off, your head will jerk forward, you'll wake back up, and you'll have a mini-dream in your mind. Or, if you have stronger awareness than most people, you might just smoothly drift into a vision, directly from the colors. But both situations have the same principle behind them.
Your assemblage point moved, and you ended up in another world. In this case a dreaming world, but you can learn to do this technique fully awake. So the "it's just a dream" explanation doesn't always hold up.
Eventually you'll learn to retain consciousness when it moves, and you'll feel absolute bliss tingling up your body. That's the feeling of energy being released, because your assemblage point has moved into unused territory.
Moving your assemblage point to that same place the next time won't release as much energy, and it won't be as dramatic. But there are plenty of other places it can move to, and if you don't use one for a while, it renews the energy release.
So you can move it to the same location months later, and get the same rush of energy.
I'm warning you a bit about how something cool can happen, you can get all jazzed at your new ability, and then find out you can't do it again.
As it turns out, learning to do specific things isn't the actual goal. It's all the side issues and control that matter. Control, that's what you're after.
Edit: It'll be very interesting to see what happens to someone who reads Carlos' books for the first time, with a PhD level of understanding them. I got mine directly from Carlos over the course of years and many lectures.
I've only modified it to remove the emphasis on behavior, since that didn't work out for the rest of his students. They focused too much on the motivational messages, and not enough on sorcery itself.
Very cool - I appreciate your guidance.
I guess the most I can do is continue doing what I'm doing and paying more attention to the colors and whatnot? The term "Assemblage Point" is still new and foreign to me. Does Carlos go into specific techniques regarding it within his books?
And, speaking of which -
Can you explain more? Sometimes I have a hard time understanding your reference point when you use the first person like that.
I can see how that would be confusing. I'll have to keep it in mind.
I'm here because I got an invite, and have been trying to help Carlos' students make better progress for a long time. I had the idea to use stalking and move my efforts to Asia. Create a new line of sorcerers so to speak.
And as always, people locate my email address and write to me, and I do my best to push them along.
But when I got the invite to here, and started seeing what was up, I realized, the way to spread Carlos' techniques is via the internet.
I guess I'm an old fart. I should have realized that 10 years ago.
It seems I make the mistake of talking like a foul college professor, in first person. Sorry.
But that’s the least of my problems. Certainly, what I write will sound delusional to a normal person.
The assemblage point is a place in our luminous shell, where we focus most of our awareness. The human body can be seen as a sort of egg shaped ball of glowing fibers.
Whatever you are focusing your attention on, lights up the fibers in that area. We seem to have limited range, and so the glowing part is only a fraction of the size of our whole luminous shell.
That glowing part moves around. Our internal dialogues limit the range. If you get silent, it can drift.
Looking at colors that come from nowhere is the fastest way I know to drift it, other than to have a sorcerer manipulate it for you.
By the way, all this hogwash about glowing fibers and eggs doesn’t have to be taken without evidence.
In sorcery, you actually get to see the things it describes. There’s no pretending required, as there seems to be in everything else.
The others had the truth at one point, and surely there’s people practicing other techniques (like TM), who have gone far.
But most other techniques are full of hot air, just repeating what was told before.
They are businesses which pray on people who are hurting.
No no - I'm not doubting the assemblage point stuff - I've encountered other weirdness and am comfortable with it. I guess I'm past the point of "normal person" now, ha. Just wanted to verify that I'll get more familiar with it the further in the books I get, though this context helps as well.
I do believe that all "paths" lead to the same point, and as such there are forks in each path - I suppose I'm at a crossroads currently trying to find more info about the intersection I'm at. I appreciate the help you've given so far.
Do you have thoughts or is it covered in any of Carlos' books regarding the higher-self? One of the beliefs I'm working through right now is that we're projections in this plane of reality from our "soul" - a higher level self that isn't limited to this plane. This self projects into multiple planes, different realities, etc. I'm referring mostly to the metaphysics within Vedic knowledge here - not necessarily "new-age" (though I hate that term) philosophy.
I think that's all true, what you said.
But in Carlos' view of things, there's a place (which you can learn to see because I have) where everything in the universe is composed of glowing fibers of light, stretching into infinity.
The glow of awareness runs through them continuously, looking like some kind of electric current running up them.
When they group together to form a "bundle" of fibers, it represents a whole world you can enter.
I've done it, so I'm not yanking your chain here.
We ourselves are a limited range of those fibers. Like a bubble, sitting stationary in space. We can never perceive anything outside our bubble. But we have access to everything inside it.
Typically people only access a fraction of it in their lives.
I've never seen that bubble sitting among the emanations. But it could be because whenever I see the emanations, I'm only looking at the range within my own bubble.
The emanations are aware. Each one has a certain "mood", or function.
Not enough to make a whole object, but when you collect them together, we can interact with it as if it were real and solid.
That's how our reality is created.
If there's a higher being, it's the one that projected the awareness that created the emanations.
So all of the stuff we're able to see and access by moving our assemblage point is still limited to whatever is inside the bubble?
Are these emanations different than the inorganic beings we're discussing in the other thread? (Also - on that note - would PM's be better?)
The inorganics are a bubble also, but located further away from our bubble.
It's like a tiny bit of each bubble overlaps on which emanations it encases.
So our perception of the inorganics is more about our awareness bouncing off them, and back into our own range of emanations. The echo of that energy reflecting back creates their appearance.
Their appearance is based on what you are currently intending, but also what you saw the last time. When the energy of awareness bounces back to us, it tends to go where it went before.
I'm not aware of the other thread, but the inorganics probably account for most manifestations of spirits or weird stuff no one can explain.
Unless there's also aliens in the mix. But that's outside my area of expertise.
Question: How much did you pay to learn TM, and did they offer you siddhis, and at what price?
Or did you learn on your own?
I didn't pay anything; I went through the David Lynch Foundation and got the fee waived bc I'm a combat veteran with PTSD.
I don't know what Siddhis are.
Those are pretty cool.
It's from the writings of Patanjali. They're essentially super powers you can develop, as long as you get into a state of Samadhi (heightened awareness in Carlos' books).
For example, if you meditate 20 minutes until you start to feel or see something, or maybe you just feel very still and quiet, you stop repeating the mantra, let it settle to silence, then say a phrase from Patanjali's "sutras".
Such as "Inner Lights".
Then you drop it and return to silence.
When you get the right balance, you will indeed see the inner lights that Patanjali described.
There's a sutra for shrinking down to the size of an ant, one for super strength, one for flying, one for invisibility, and one for navigation in the universe during astral travel.
In the 60s, there was Maharashi and Carlos. And of course Timothy and Bear. That was the foundation of the hippy movement. Along with political anger of course. Seems like political anger goes along with people pursuing esoteric techniques.
My best guess for why is that people pursuing weird stuff tend to be self-righteous. And self-righteousness breeds anger and hate. It comes out in retweeting angry politics.
Pity. Political anger impedes silence.
As for the "siddhis", such “sutras” are common all over Asia. There are magical scrolls in Kungfu tradition, SHA256 encoded secret Buddhist lectures, and undoubtedly a lot more I didn’t notice.
There are people in here with a lot more knowledge of such things than I have. Generally, everyone pursuing Carlos these days has tried other things, due to the shortage of anything useful regarding Carlos.
So if anyone knows about sutras, please pipe in.
It’s not a lot different than a “magical spell” in western tradition, except that in western tradition you don’t perfect yourself. Instead you capture a spirit to help you (an inorganic being).
In eastern tradition, it’s your mental condition that allows you to make the sutras work.
There is of course only one change you can make to yourself. If there’s another, I can’t conceive of what it could be.
This gets hidden by the meditation technique sellers, who like to claim theirs is unique and very different.
But they’re all the same. They interrupt the oppressive internal dialogue so that the world around you can change. Our internal dialogue is what keeps it the same all the time.
And if you learn to get fully silent, your abilities will BLOW AWAY anything the TM people learn to do. Patanjali’s sutras, rather than being their ultimate cool thing to do, will become a mild curiosity.
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Do you have any specific places I can reference to learn more about this?
Also - one of my concerns, and something my wife is concerned with in terms of her dream ability - is the possibility that we go a bit 'beyond' our abilities. Meaning losing ourselves in the "other," getting involved with energies and spirits we're not capable of dealing with, getting sucked into "evil" (does this exist?), those kinds of things. Any advice or thoughts on this?
Read Carlos' books.
Yes, you can get in over your head. But eventually you realize, none of what goes on can actually hurt you.
So if a demon materializes in your room, it can't really do anything. But you could certainly get hurt running for your life.
For your protection, I suggest you snag an inorganic and learn to make it take the shapes you want.
Your wife might be afraid of the prince of darkness materializing in front of her, but if she learns to turn him into Brad Pitt, she'll probably stop worrying about that.
Yes there is evil in the world. It's the social order and the internal dialogue. You're already immersed in it.
The goal is to free yourself from it.
Got it, thanks. I'm assuming "snag an inorganic" is also covered somewhere in the books too?
Yes it is.
There's a technique using a mirror and a stream.
There's a technique using the hand, slowly moved across the ground.
You can lie on your back and gaze outdoors in gullies and places where water can go.
But the easiest method was taught by Carlos, only in private classes.
You learn to get silent in darkness until you see those colors you talked about. Absolute darkness is best for many reasons, but it can be less than perfect. I just don't know from direct experience how that will go.
Once you see the colors, you try to play with them with your hand. Get up, and go try to push them around.
You'll discover that they follow the direction your head and eyes are facing, and so scooping them seems stupid.
But it's not! Try to move some of that to your stomach.
Eventually the colors behave like independant objects. At that point, you'll get goosebumps.
On the edge of the brightest of those colors you can find inorganic beings.
A little face will form on one of the puffs. Once you see one, it'll keep returning.
Coax it into your hand, and tell it what shape you like the best.
I turned mine into a Disney Fairy (like tinkerbell), a pumpkin so I could throw her against the wall to make a dazzling display of colors, a cat so I could see what it feels like to have a European style "familiar spirit", and some perverted forms I'd rather not talk about.
The inorganics seem to be all female. If you get my drift...
Fascinating stuff. I may be getting a bit ahead of myself here, but is there anything to be concerned about in terms of interacting with them? Are they benign? Do they want to be 'captured'? What 'purpose' do they serve?
They want from you, the same thing you'll end up wanting from them.
To interact.
They just like the energy we give off. They live for billions of years, but they're really low energy. We're like lightning bolts to them.
We get dreaming energy from them, and they get whatever energy they use.
They have no motivation I can think of, other than to interact with us and get our energy.
So they'll help you move your assemblage point, since they're also recipients of the benefit. Movement to an unused position releases energy they like.
They’ll teach you to scoop up dark energy, their favorite. They can’t actually “teach”. I’ve truly never heard one speak, unless it was masquerading as a character in a dream.
But they can “show” you. Move to the right place at the right time, to indicate you ought to be investigating there.
Dangers: Well… Apparently, they can kidnap you and take you to their world. Physically.
I find that hard to believe, and frankly, it would be pretty cool if it were true. I’d risk it to find out.
I’ve seen the world of the low energy one I grabbed out of the air. Doesn’t seem so threatening to me. But then I can assemble their world in my bedroom, so I never actually go there physically. Or maybe I do. It gets “ify” on where I’m located once that world assembles.
By the way, here's a warning. If I didn't report all this here, I'd forget about it in a year or two. Sorcery is like that. I have at least 30 years of forgotten weird stuff, because I didn't have any reason to report it to anyone.
Carlos' "allies" are another thing. You’ll read about them. He passed them on to his private classes.
An "Ally" is an inorganic being trained to belong to a lineage of sorcerers. Like a ward. Or a pet.
Or we're the pet. No one knows for sure.
I guess belonging to a sorcery lineage requires the inorganics to be high energy, or they're not worth the time.
I kind of like the low energy ones. If I had to guess, I'd say those are easy to snag, while the high energy "Allies" are difficult to find.
I have 2 of them. Carlos brought them to class a couple of times, and pointed them out to us on one occasion.
I believe the other 2 (from his books) went with the other apprentices (not with Carlos).
His allies are NOT low energy. They’re anything but. They can burn through a wall like a blue laser beam. And they like to interact with fright. If you run, you’re dead meat.
But you don’t have to worry about them. You kind of need an introduction for those inorganics.
The high-energy inorganics of don Juan's lineage only took the nagual Elias and Amalia because he was a nagual and their combined energy was too tempting to resist. And the nagual Rosendo(?) was rather foolish in offering them up first intentionally and audibly voicing it. If you don't do these things, and aren't a double being with more energy to offer, and don't deal with the higher energy inorganics...you're almost certainly safe from kidnapping. Almost is as good as it's gonna get probably.
Well I'm certainly not a double. Carlos found none in our classes, and went looking elsewhere.
Plus, if you can get there, I don't see why you can't escape. Maybe the issue was that Elias didn't know how to assemble other worlds yet?
It does say in the passage that they were young, and were otherwise occupied with getting it on when taken, probably not assembling other worlds right then!
I suspect it's the sex. It must have given off energy that drove the inorganics wild, and they had no choice but to take them.
The inorganics got seduced?
Maybe that's why the technique works, of giving apprentices to the inorganics. Close together inside a box, no one can see, boy and girl in there...
Evil is a stalwort of the imposed mind-overlay, what Castaneda called the "Flyer's Mind" and what some Asian schools of thought call the "Monkey Mind." It and it alone is obsessed with good and evil as static and rigid concepts. They do not exist in nature, in reality. The real evil is in human actions which proceed from narcissism and a lack of empathy.
It's your thoughts that bring either good or evil to your interpretation of the inorganics, so dropping those interpretations lets them appear as they truly are, neutral abstractions. Not saying they don't have their own alien intentions, but at least you don't have to perceive them as a devil with red skin and horns or an angel with glowing wings. Get a little creative and jovial.
I'd like to see someone produce a black cat for an ally. It would explain a lot of esoteric writings and folklore about witches.
(Yes, there are actually witches. Cholita has proven that to me.)
My low energy inorganic being produced a Siberian Cat just once for me, but it was perfect. The rest of the time, when I was trying to get her to assume cat form, she looked like the bearded lady at the circus.
I'll go further than that. He even "taunts" readers in his final books, because he's skipping back and forth long distances. It's almost as if don Juan is completely in his mind.
He liked to taunt us in private classes with absurdities.
A picture of the "fliers", taken from an old UFO TV show, which he attributed to 2 of the woman standing right there. They looked at each other like, "Shit, we're in trouble now..."
"Cleargreen", to provide a way to make money for all the women he gathered. Clear and free green stuff?
"Be celibate", while he clearly had more than a dozen girlfriends (at age 72) and made disturbing advances towards some even in class.
"The blue scout", which seems to be just an ordinary and possibly bewildered woman he picked up along the way.
At the end, he was looking for "the orange scout", who would finalize the whole thing.
(She might still be out there.)
https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Wow...
Carlos made good use of that, and even told us so on occasion.
I've only had Cholita in my care for 6 months now, and already I'm fascinated to think about what Carlos might have gone through, trying to teach women he picked up along the way.
It could be that he finally figured it out, and that's what prompted the workshops.
I can move Cholita's assemblage point a little, using my hand. Turns out, it was the same thing he used to do to women in class, which I interpreted (along with others), as him having a sexual interest in them.
Yes, he did! Of course! But that wasn't why he was doing it.
That's probably natural if the notes were real.
Besides, 100% of the books could be fabricated, and it still wouldn't explain the fact that his techniques work exactly as he said. It might even make them more interesting, not less.
And it wouldn't explain the fact that Carlos could in fact move people's assemblage points, producing exactly the effects he described. Carol Tiggs was brought to class to give us a "demonstration", and I was lucky enough to be selected. She lay my head back, and I fell into the inorganic beings tunnels. I was sitting right there, dumbfounded.
I've since been able to return there, so it was sort of a "gift".
Also, I was the child of anthropologists studying the same Indian populations as Carlos, within the same University system. I can assure you, he was around down there investigating. I must have bumped into him indirectly at least twice, and maybe 3 times.
Oh I'm not trying to discredit or poke holes in anything - I was just trying to understand the discrepancies in dates and other people's perspectives on it.
One thing I can assure you is, you won't believe a word of this until you learn to move your assemblage point on demand.
You can say all day that you believe it, but that's just the internal dialogue trying to puff itself up, to make up for a lack in some other aspect of your life.
That horrible fact that no one actually believes a word of it, has plagued me for the last 25 years, when trying to motivate people to work harder. If I describe too many experiences, they get worried maybe I'm making it up. If I don't lure them with enough, they never get up the idea to start working.
So don't take my comments as an accusation. I just try to combat the tendency to believe Carlos made it all up, wherever I find even a hint of it.
Can this be presented as extended buffer of “suspension of disbelief”..?
In real life you see it when watching movies, reading stories, interacting with people: in a movie when some data is not known yet but a character uses it nonetheless, a person with less “buffer” might immediately comment “what is X” or “why is Z”, which in good movies is actually answered within next 1-2 minutes of the movie.
While interacting with another person, it’s related to “respect” - how many “possibly wrong” sentences are you able to withstand a person to say to you, without losing track of conversation? With large enough buffer or “forced-buffer” in case of high respect, you allow a large amount of “questionable” parts in a conversation, possibly gaining a better result in the end.
The factor in that “buffering” of “questionable data” is silence - you just store the data as-is without trying to judge it’s veracity, so you inhibit the live analysis to keep track of the “big picture” at sone point in the future.
The silence you experience is just a side effect of accepting data that is outside your normal worldview, either because it’s false (you cannot judge whether it is) or just so new that it doesn’t yet fit.
As it is very hard (if possible) to remember yourself in previous state before learning something (the neural network change is so distributed that reversing it is nigh-impossible) you might not even remember that it took effort to “buffer” that data, and in retrospect it will look completely effortless.
For example while each word in next sentences might feel wrong and take effort to buffer, after learning it’s truth you will forget that it took effort:
water in clouds is in form of cold large drops suspended in warm air, condensation of water vapor heating up air around
gravity at height of satellite orbits is ~90% of gravity on earth surface. If you stand on a static ladder at that height and jump or drop a book, you won’t feel much different than down on surface. Satellites fly because they are continuously “thrown” sideways, like a book you can throw sideways will “orbit” if thrown continuously.
The feeling while using the disbelief buffer is a sort of “controlled unknowing” - you stop knowing things you knew before, so you can learn new data later when analysing in bulk.
Dan, does that sound right? This would explain why some thoughtlets can emerge harmlessly when/after entering second attention, so progress is more a question of training to increase the buffer size and delay and mellow the analysis process..?
That's exactly right! Eventually you can even feel the interaction passing through you, as if you were air. Maybe that's how Sorcerers keep emanations from others getting stuck into them again, after they've mostly cleared the previous ones out through recapitulation.
Carlos wanted us to understand this, and emphasized it in his last books. Don Juan even told him, he was an empty tube to infinity.
It's an advanced silence technique. You couldn't tell someone about this and help them learn faster, because they'd just start pretending and posturing. People seem to believe that if you imitate the effect, you can produce the cause.
In this case, no way. You even have to empty yourself in the first place, in addition to being silent, just to get an inkling of what it feels like.
Dead dreaming is what comes to mind. Carlos brought that up in class.
You're already dead, so you don't have to concern yourself with your dreaming landscape. You just explore it.
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One of things that allows to do this "leap of faith" is being certain that you can come back to where you started, which might be helped with a bit of external memory.
Like a backup of current state, perhaps it might help to write down whichever facts and understandings about the world that might get modified by the new events. It would reduce anxiety and give freedom to be interested and give importance to new data. Perhaps refresher on which of the data is first-hand knowledge and which is third-party and thus possibly wrong and should not be guarded so strictly..
As a trivial example, setting a loud external alarm clock even at far-away delays (+8hours for example) may add reassurance of "safe return".
(a bit more in similar context in the 8-point diagram thread)
You mean return from dreaming, in case you get confused?
It reminds me of the story of Florinda and Taisha getting "lost in the second attention".
I'll post about that.
Yes, from dreaming or any other novel experience which can potentially cause change in worldview/priorities
I've been a tiny bit worried about the possibility of being trapped in dreaming. So far I haven't seen any evidence that you can bodily go into a dreaming world, but I also haven't seen any contrary evidence.
When I get offered a new world, I just go in. I have no idea what my body is doing.
You might be right about setting up alarms.
And when you throw the fact that you can have potentially weeks of atemporal experiences in dreaming and discover only a few hours have passed in this reality when resurfacing, an expected alarm becomes both a cause of anxiety as well as a lifesaver (at least life in this reality). Anxiety as in "why hasn't that alarm sounded yet!" as days and days go by in dreaming...
If you remember the alarm, that’s still safe. It’s more for a situation where you are so far that you forget the alarm and the “previous world”.
Normally your first attention will not want to let you go too far and lose control, so the alarm is set as to relax the first attention to let you venture farther.
It’s a trick like when you tell a kid “you do the homework and then you can play” while knowing full well that kid will be too tired to play after doing homework :)
from Second ring of power, toward end of the book, after the dark-room practice with girls:
"Did we come out of the room?" la Gorda asked.
"No," Nestor replied.
La Gorda seemed to be as anxious to know as I was, and that was alarming to me. She even coaxed Nestor to speak.
"You came from nowhere," Nestor said. "I should also say that it was frightening. All of you were like fog. Pablito saw you first. You may have been in the yard for a long time, but we didn't know where to look for you. Then Pablito yelled and all of us saw you. We have never seen anything like that."
"What did we look like?" I asked.
The Genaros looked at one another. There was an unbearably long silence. The little sisters were staring at Nestor with their mouths open.
"You were like pieces of fog caught in a web," Nestor said. "When we poured water on you, you became solid again."