Our cousins have another workshop.
Anyone who doesn't know tensegrity should consider it. You really could use the saturation.
My tensegrity techniques are simple. A scoop here or there.
I'm too lazy to do the long ones.
But even so, Carlos made me do them over and over for years.
I'm saturated. That might be helping me.
I guess the workshop could be pricey. One of my associates gave them hell over that.
Don't do that.
It's our religious cousins. Sort of like having Jehovah's witness cousins.
You don't argue theology with the cousins.
You just wait for them to snap out of it, and join you at the strip club.
Here's the Cleargreen announcement:
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We all have dreams. We all have ambitions. We all have things we wish to accomplish while we are here on this earth. Yet many of us, no matter how hard we work to make them happen ... making those dreams reality eludes us.
Announcing The ALL NEW: Core Castaneda Workshop
A Powerful, Practical 3 day Workshop to help you expand past the obstacles keeping you from the Life of Your Dreams
As our Signature workshop, Core Castaneda provides you with the foundational skills you need to create and live the life of your dreams! And it all starts with the one thing in this world you can effect … and that is you!
Silence Inner Dialogue
Where many practices teach silent meditation, in this workshop you will learn specific Magical Passes®; movements to ACTIVELY turn off your internal dialogue, to get you into that other space … that part of you connected to your higher intelligence.
By reducing the noise, you will gain energy and clarity … giving you the bandwidth to dream and create your Ideal Life!
Start Dreaming Your Life
Now that you have more energy and clarity … you will learn the most effective ways to dream your life. Not the life of your parents, friends or peers; a life of your design. You will move away from fear and scarcity so that you can be, do and have whatever you desire.
You will become the architect of your life. You will envision your true path of heart … Living Your Magical Life!
Put Your Dreams Into Action
It’s far too easy to get stuck in the deliciousness of the dream … and then stumble and fumble in trying to make those dreams reality. Yet, the whole purpose of dreaming … envisioning your life … is so that you can live it in the real world.
You will learn specific steps in order to expand past the obstacles preventing you from living the Life of Your Dreams!
Whether this is your first workshop with us or your tenth, Core Castaneda will immerse you in the single-focused intention of bringing your dreams to fruition.
And, to make this incredible workshop available to more people, we are pleased to present the Core Castaneda Workshop in various locations throughout the world, presented by Official Carlos Castaneda Tensegrity® Centers. Click on the location below to learn more about this live-changing experience.
CORE CASTANEDA | United States, Los Angeles, CA, January 17-19, 2020
CORE CASTANEDA | Germany, Munich, December 13-15, 2019
CORE CASTANEDA | France, Nice, December 6-8, 2019
With appreciation,
Cleargreen
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Can't help but imagine don Juan laughing his ass of
hearing this.
Well...
That "bandwidth" concept potentially shows some understanding.
But the implications there could be ordinary or magical.
For instance, does becoming silent enough to gain bandwidth mean, you don't have distracting thoughts in your head blocking your view of the second attention, so you get a taste of it during the day, which helps you save energy because it feels so darned good to have magic back in your life?
Or does it mean, you forget about the husband you dumped, whom your friends claim actually dumped you for a younger woman, so now you have more time in bed to eat ice cream and dream about your ideal life?
Beats me.
The announcement uses the word “dream” a lot, seemingly with the meaning of aspiration: “my dream is to be an astronaut” and not with meaning of lived experience: “things that happen when you fall asleep”.
when/why have they made the pivot from second to first meaning...
Are these two “dream” meanings the same word in Spanish as in English?
I'd ask Cholita, but she would assume it was a trick question.
Redefining stuff to be more ordinary, in light of never having seen it actually work, makes sense.
They might all have concluded Carlos was a fake, and they needed to modify the concept a bit to attract more middle aged women.
Which is fine. Carlos kept Cleargreen together all these years.
It's a huge resource.
When doing tensegrity, the only difference between making it actually work, and just doing an exercise, is very tiny.
You wouldn't normally notice it if someone didn't insist.
But the tensegrity would still work and restore the energy body. You just wouldn't get the huge rewards of actually seeing the energy.
I can't promise this isn't actually a satire.
It reads like one to me. Someone just sent the text to me.
As a poster in here pointed out, I'm also a slow-trooper.
I might have been punked.
If not, I'd like to take whoever wrote it out on a double date with Cholita and have them explain single focused attention to one of Carlos' original apprentices.
Reads like a satire? Doesn't it read like a typical success workshop spiced up with a famous writer's name to attract attention of people who repost from r/conspiracy to r/Castaneda? "Core Castaneda", oh wow! Isn't that a loud name which is given to something devoid of value? If it's transegrity, then you call it transegrity. If you want to make more money, then you call it "Core Castaneda", this is the usual marketing shenanigans which everyone is probably familiar with.
And then, everyone who is familiar with the works of Castaneda knows that the way of the warrior isn't about "dreaming your Ideal Life". Nor is sorcery. Nor stalking. Nor vision. Nor any other fancy word.
This is painfully obvious even before you go to their website and read something like "The name Cleargreen represents the intent for clear and conscious relationships in all areas of life. The color clear green is considered to be the hue of the energetic field of the heart, and the color of photosynthesis — the life-giving alchemy of earth, mineral, water, and stars."
You don't need to be a sorcerer to smell some bullshit in this.
Uh...
I got nothing.
But I am very happy to see them active, and I have impossible plans to modify this situation.
If I live long enough.
Cholita.
She's allowed to cross boundaries. Maybe that's her main function.
Between Cleargreen and me, no. And I suspect they know that too.
But a scout has no boundaries. And Cholita hung out with the inner circle. I didn't.
I'll just teach her to pee in her hands like an impeccable warrior, then send her to Cleargreen as a courier, to shake hands and make up.
That's of course assuming La Gorda's flying technique works.
Newbee clue: Go read Estacion Mexico. Where did that technique come from???
That's too cool to pass up.
Okay, let me clear this up first. You are saying that you were around characters from Castaneda's books and you are an actual sourcer?
No, just a private class student.
But coincidentally, I ran into Carlos off and on in the 60s, because my father was an anthropologist.
I even hung out with the dreaming sorceress, Ruby, at Morongo. The intro to her book, "Not for Innocent Ears", might be insightful for Castaneda fans. She mentions don Juan, sort of.
And I hung out with the Devil's weed sorcerer, John.
But I doubt they were characters from Carlos books.
The encounter with don Juan’s group you might have been thinking about, is in my post "Estacion Mexico".
I was practicing stopping the world, and fell short a tiny bit. Instead, I turned my head into a memory of La Gorda’s.
Carlos wrote about that in his last books. Turns out, it’s true. You can access any sorcerer from our lineage, if you have any information to start from.
It’s not surprising. Learn to get fully silent, and it gets very weird.
I was clueless that it was La Gorda's flying technique, until someone mentioned the similiarity.
And it works. I get the red lines.
I'm just not willing to pee into my hands.
There's plenty of other fun stuff to try, that doesn't require going outside, or cleaning off the walls of your bedroom.
My favorite plan for Cholita is just to sit with her in darkness, call Carlos' allies, and see what happens.
But that's not useful for trying to give Cleargreen a boost.
I forgot.
Absolutely on the "actual sorcerer".
But I'm trying to help any of you willing to do hard work, to be able to say the same thing.
To be a "real sorcerer", you only have to become familiar with the second attention.
That leads to understanding of the assemblage point, which can lead to stopping the world.
But even a tiny familiarity with the second attention qualifies you to say you are an "actual sorcerer".
The "devil's weed sorcerer" from Morongo converted to Christianity in the long run.
But he was a "real sorcerer" too.
Still alive to this day, last time I visited.
Ruby is gone.
So if the 2 sorcerers I know of aren't active there anymore, how do you explain the Devil's weed painting in the casino lobby?
It shows a humming bird drinking from the white, bell shaped flowers.
I'd go down and ask, but a tiny feud developed between my father and the locals after they got the casino.
The Indian population in western states is more than a little ambivalent about white people. If they don't need your help, they'd rather you left them alone. Even if you helped them out for many years.
We are all sorcerers. Even you. Whether you want to admit it or not. Or rather, if you care enough to get ride of the baggage of this spiritually decrepit culture that tells you you're not. The fact that you exist and are assembling reality moment to moment out of an infinity of probabilities and possibilities is pure "sorcery," the magic of consciousness...and we haven't even scratched the surface of it's power.
We're told fairy tales aren't real and you should go work, buy things, fuck and drink to forget your suspicions, and go make some more offspring to repeat the closed cycle, unaltered...until the world itself is ravaged by multitudes of soulless (edit: better stated as empathy-free or tribalistic), hopeless, nihilistic sociopaths incapable of imagining any other way to live.
That's what I keep telling Cholita to cheer her up, when she thinks the world is out to get her.
I point out the billions of soulless, hopeless, nihilistic sociopaths incapable of imagining any other way to live, surrounding us in the mall.
I point out that despite their best intentions, and whatever fun they believe they're having right now, it'll all go to shit by the time they get old and they'll suffer horribly as they slowly realize the whole thing was a scam.
Somehow that cheers Cholita up.
The size of an ego required to indulge in the attitude of "everyone who doesn't share my wishfull thinking is soulless sociopath" shows to me that you are just as worthless as the stuff you are advertising. Thanks, I hate it.
There's no wishful thinking required. It all works. All of it. Your earlier comments suggest you have read Castaneda, but reading and doing are very different. It takes a leap that some just aren't comfortable with. I wish you luck.
And in case you haven't noticed, the status quo world is indeed going to shit, if you believe mass media. A little tough talk is a small psychological price to hopefully wake others up to the atrocious life-plan than society has laid out for them, if they don't examine and question it.
I guess it does take an ego to decide that a bunch of people are living their lives in error (on a few key vital esoteric requirements for a radically fulfilling life), but looking at the apparently intended course of Western civilization...that shoe seems to fit.
And yes we do have common issues with Cleargreen, but almost nothing's perfect or unfixable with enough sustained effort and resources.
I'm afraid to say, if Cholita read that Cleargreen announcement she'd like it.
And she wouldn't approve of our male point of view on it.
It could just be, Cleargreen is women.
And whatever aspect of sorcery they're pursuing, just isn't what men would pursue if they had a choice.
I've often argued something like, with the female point of view Carlos will continue to be considered a fake on the net.
My thinking is, people want to hear that you can assemble other worlds, share dreaming, and maybe even make that flying technique work.
But Cholita has no interest in any of that. And she's a genuine "apprentice" of Carlos.
And she'd ask, what the hell do I care about Carlos' reputation? He's dead.
She'd rather hear talk about pursuing her dream life.
This reminds of the part in one of the books after cliff jump when Carlos meets other disciples in mexico and they are quite advanced in some techniques but disillusioned in what they can achieve eventually. They say something like “the only thing this is good for is scaring old indians”, and then hope Carlos has some new path for them to follow..
And then they murdered La Gorda, according to Carlos.
I've had to hide the larger kitchen knives with Cholita in my home, so don't doubt they might do that.
She's bad enough that someone working at the Bed, Bath, and Beyond came to warn me, she was in the kitchen section looking at knife assortments.
She bought the largest assortment they had.
I haven't seen the knives yet, and it's been a week.
They don't seem to be in the kitchen.
If I ask Cholita about them, she's likely to say, "Ooohhhhh. You should be worried about the knives!"
From around same place in Eagle’s Gift:
We're going through a difficult time," la Gorda said to me in a low voice. "We've done a lot of dreaming and yet it isn't enough for what we need."
"What do you need, Gorda?" I asked.
"We don't know," she said. "We were hoping that you would tell us that."
The little sisters and the Genaros sat down again in order to listen to what la Gorda was saying to me.
"We need a leader," she went on. "You are the Nagual, but you're not a leader."
"It takes time to make a perfect Nagual," Pablito said. "The Nagual Juan Matus told me that he himself was crappy in his youth, until something shook him out of his complacency."
That's warrior behavior.
Stormtroopers don't need anything but wine and women. The rest is just for fun.
Important to be aware of this, it contextualizes some of the more ultra-sweet new-agey language in their workshop promotions. And if they're mostly trying to enroll new female practitioners from the general populace, those potential women are likely aligned with what some would label hippie-type interests and beliefs. They are in fact stalking their most probable potential clientele.
Miles and Aeryn's (spelling?) Being Energy organization is apparently a result of a directive Castaneda gave them to explore health (wellness) and nutrition as it relates to the "Warrior's Way." Very suited for someone with a medical background. And being a married couple, is a draw for yet another demographic of potential practitioners.
I guess we're, mostly, the weirdo loner faction that doesn't join and isn't afraid to talk shit if it leads to advantageous change for everyone. The rebel scout demographic.
I'm going to take Cholita's presence as an omen in this regards, and assume whatever audience they're going after is profitable in the long run.
It's possible that women can simply copy a sorcerer, if they feel comfortable with him. And also that their function in a sorcery group isn't quite what we think it is, from reading Carlos' books.
The clue might be the Altantean Figures in Mexico.
They hold up the structure. They aren't advanced scouts.
Could be, they provide the energy that men lack.
My dreaming abilities have taken a drastic turn into unknown territory, with Cholita in my house. Before I could find and snatch inorganic beings. But now I'm finding dreaming doubles and guest appearances.
I shouldn't be surprised. Carlos has a specific technique for observing sleeping people.
I figured out how to make that work more than 5 years ago, until I got tired of viewing random people who were sleeping and lost that position of the assemblage point.
Hint on making it work: "Permanent" heightened awareness is required. Doesn't have to last forever, but I'd say at least a week before you could try that technique. If you don't close your eyes and see, "the wall", 24 hours a day, it's probably not going to work.
You need fully active "second sight" to do that kind of remote viewing.
I just didn't expect that it works both directions. That sleeping people can come to you in their dreaming bodies.
Or maybe I go to them. They only appear in the midst of the room converting to someone else's dream.
That's substantially different than assembling another world on the walls of your bedroom, using Carlos' "the wall" technique.
When a dream blows in, it fills the room.
The "wall" method behaves and stays on the walls, unless you decide to enter that dream.
I wish we had the witches around to elucidate on things like this.
It's possible that if Cleargreen gathers a bunch of women at workshops, and they become as skilled at tensegrity as lovely Yulia Chi ( all it would take to form an explosive group would be 10 or so men who are dreamers.
Plus, it would be funny to have all 10 go out scouting in the second attention, then return to the women and say, "Honeys, we're home!"
Cholita would call me a misogynistic bastard for that remark. But really, it was just an "I Love Lucy" reference.
I should point out, Carlos tried to gather 200 women. He failed and only got 50, but there must have been a reason for it.
So I'll assume, Cleargreen might accumulate 200 women on their own.
If that's true, then Carlos planned the whole thing, to some extent.
He did say, on his deathbed, that he didn't care what happened to Cleargreen.
Does that mean he didn't care if it continued, or he was giving them permission to act on their own?
Remember from Carlos' books that the Nagual breaks up the apprentices, which essentially frees them to make their own choice on how to proceed. Snatched in the first place, maybe somewhat deceptively, a Nagual has some small obligation to give them back their choice.
So what he said about Cleargreen is the same as the way he soured the apprentices in faction #3, so that there's only me and Cholita left.
That doesn't mean he hadn't intended something to come from that.
That's what I mean when I say, "toy surprise inside".
I've got the inside scoop on his handling of Cholita. As she told me in regards to Cleargreen Mexico, "Carlos was VERY hands on".
(ok, no pun meant there).
He certainly had something in mind for Cholita.
I suspect he had little deals going on all over the place.
I end up doing that myself, when helping people by email. You see a hint of enthusiasm for something in particular, realize it'll cause them to work harder, so you encourage them and hope for a result.
Faction #3 and those outside the gate.
(A qaballah joke in very very bad taste).
I'd still like to know about factions #4 and #5. They DO exist. I just haven't figured out who or what they are.
Edited six times to mislead the innocent
(Another bad joke, maybe slightly vindictive. Stormtroopers get to be petty sometimes).
Here's an idea!
However it is between men and women in the "normal" world, is much the same as in sorcery.
The magical side of potential interactions has simply been tamed to fit the Tonal of our times.
But you can predict how one will be, from the other.
If that's true, women are kingdom builders, but not the attack squad.
And the attack squad is far better off, with women to go home to.
Without them, they peter out.
(Not sure if that was intended to be a bad pun)
Or maybe a less sexual analogy. A guy can be into completely weird hobbies, and a woman will support him in that. But he has to come live in her kingdom. Not his kingdom.
And she'll even clear off a few shelves for his toys.
But don't expect her eyes not to glaze over, when he shows her how much time he put into what amounts to nothing she'd go chasing after.
Maybe a man has to be enslaved to some extent, before he'll go chasing after total freedom.
That was satire.
I have a problem with people taking my satire seriously. I'll have to work on that.
But in silence, you'll see that what he said (which I copied and exaggerated just for fun) is absolutely true.
We live in a world controlled by the black magicians, who stifle any hope of escape.
At several periods in history they even tried to kill off all sorcerers and witches. And if you don't think they still would, you need to watch more TV news.
I have an entire book, from medieval times, dedicated to explaining how to torture witches. Compendium Maleficarum. It's demonology companion isn't any kinder.
Not to mention, examining the tonal honestly is one of don Juan's techniques.
You aren't judging, just appraising. There's no ego involved. Mostly just sadness at not being able to do anything to help.
When you get silent all the time (or mostly), you end up bumping up against people who are still noisy, and seeing how much suffering that leads to.
And they're happy to spread their suffering. Aggressively.
I’ve seen 2 family interventions in the time I’ve been practicing sorcery. Families take control of someone, because they don’t like the fact that they’ve gone off the planned path.
Carlos lamented one such family intervention in class for at least a week. The family snatched an apprentice.
But her energy body (which he described as brown, likely meaning, lots of dark energy), kept trying to get back into class.
You have to escape the chicken coop, as Carlos called it, to see how they’ll peck your head on the way out.
It's why Sorcerer's invented stalking.
They had to, because people are just like he described.
But you have to see it for yourself.
Yes, it's not polite to insult others.
And yet, to see them honestly, you can't hold back because of social pressure to conform.
Plus, no one's advertising anything here. That's just a Cleargreen announcement.
I have an extra welding set that Cholita tossed out. I'll sell that to you if you're interested.
But there's no sorcery for sale in here.
As far as I know, no one’s set up to make even a penny off other people.
My personal goal is to teach 10 people to stop the world, and do waking dreaming.
My motivation is payback for Carlos spending so many years teaching me.
Also, having 10 skilled dreamers will put pressure on Cleargreen to recover what they've ignored. All the training from Carlos, which they didn't get around to perfecting.
And I’ve been having luck with making 10 dreamers. I have several associates whos big problem these days is, how come they can’t make the second attention do exactly what they want?
They believe they should be able to play it like a movie.
You can, but not at their skill level.
I have a question for you: Why are you so angry?
It's a trick question, so please don't get offended.
It's a koan. I'm going zen here.
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I'm not angry, I just want to make it clear that I think you are full of shit. For example, your edit about satire is full of shit. You know, that if you were satirical, you would say it right away at the begining of the comment. That's why you edited it in the beginning instead of just adding at the end. That is very dishonest, although at least you recognised that you said something dumb, even if you didn't admit it honestly.
So yea, irrational, delusional. Even if if you are adepts of some practice, doesn't make you immune. Like Buddhists who are masters of meditation, still full of shit about reincarnation. They might know a lot about the practice, but I think I'm better of without their "wisdom".
So I'm curious, do you care if you are rational, or you are above that? What do you believe and why, do you care if your beliefs are true and how do you go about determining if the are true or not?
I kind of like your spunk!
The students I have which have done well are a little angry like this.
Go read my article on "Let's be Stormtroopers".
It could be you’ve mistaken me for an “impeccable warrior”.
I’m not. I'm a total gluttonous, womanizing, asshole.
I’ve been known to go on a date with 5 women at once, each one 30 or more years younger than me. Sometimes I’ll consume as much as 7 bottles of wine in a day, hanging out with young women.
I’ve been known to grow shrooms for them, and my 50mg Gummy bears are very popular.
Nothing is going to change that.
So what does that have to do with sorcery?
Nothing. It's just a technology.
You wouldn't fault my personal tenancies in one of the computer forums, for discussing new designs for super computers.
Personality or “ego” has nothing to do with sorcery. Ego is a term of the Tonal, it has nothing to do with the Nagual.
My most advanced student has a huge ego, if there is such a thing.
He rides a motorcycle, gives me hell if I say he’s my student, and is likely to punch someone for saying the wrong thing. Last time he hung out with his gang, he was disappointed he couldn’t find a reason to fight them.
He lamented that learning to get silent caused him not to get into fights as often.
And yet, this morning we had a wonderful discussion of how to tell a phantasm from a dreaming body visitor, when doing waking dreaming.
You won’t want to confuse your ex for a phantom, and say the wrong thing.
Also, I edit posts constantly. In your case, I was trying not to disturb the gigantic chip on your shoulder.
Then, I was wondering if maybe you were new here, and didn’t understand the conversation well.
I tried to clarify that.
Guess I goofed.
Beliefs? I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Could you point out a belief I’ve expressed?
Edit: (Sorry for editing but I had an idea).
The Nagual can't be handled with words. It can only be experienced.
I'm in here trying to show others how to experience it, but all I have to use is words.
Carlos had us under this thumb, so he had other options.
As for motivation, I got tired of waiting for Cleargreen and it seemed like all the apprentices would soon be dead from old age, and Carlos' reputation would be left in shatters.
Cholita and I often discuss who could help us, from Private classes. But most of the time we conclude, that person is likely dead now.
If you'd like to help, just practice and tell everyone what happens. If we get enough successes, we can figure out what works the fastest.
Nah, it's harder to confuse you with an impeccable warrior than you think. That's my point exactly. It the books, changing your mind and lifestyle is the key to sourcery, how can you be good at it if you are self important and not impeccable? And what would even be the point of sourcery, if you remain just as pathetic as any regular person?
Silence is what you need. The rest doesn't matter.
However, once you get silent, you're forced to copy the impeccable stuff, most of the time.
It's just that if you're sitting around thinking that's going to get you the ability to stop the world or assemble other worlds, you'll likely never make it.
I saw near to 100 private class students all fail. Even with Carlos giving them special attention for years.
So if you want to be an impeccable warrior, as they were, that's admirable.
But you still have to get silent. And I know you can't, or you wouldn't throw that word "ego" around so angrily. And then on top of that, not even realize you are indeed an angry person.
Plus remember: the ancient sorcerers were anything but impeccable. They ate each other alive with little knives.
Anyway, here you have a "genuine apprentice" of Carlos Castaneda who can stop the world, assemble other worlds, summon Carlos' 2 allies from his books (he left them to us), and see the great bands of emanations.
If you want my help, I'm here. I can teach you to assemble another world in 3 weeks, if you'll do the work.
No one has so far. It takes them years of my nagging before they decide to actually work hard.
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Hi here., I'm Dad!
Whoa pal. Fucking and drinking are essential to my practice. I took some liberties on the teachings...but I get results.
Great! Shrink that tonal! That's what the Moche did with their not-doings. Their sculptural art is eye opening to say the least!
https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/sex-pottery-peru-moche-ceramics-shed-light-ancient-sexuality-003017
And some scholars think they actually engaged in most of the ritual sex they depicted in their pottery. It's the intent behind it that's important.
https://www.sapiens.org/column/curiosities/moche-skeleton-sex-pots/
Too many use sex (or other drugs) as a distraction or replacement, even making it the be all and end all in life. Worse still, some use it to control and/or manipulate. It's a twisted, unmaintainable and unsupportable intent that's the problem, not the sex.
I vote for the drinking too!
I'll have to pass on the fucking though. Sounds fun, but the price is horribly high.
"The Nagual said that the dreaming body gets involved and attaches itself to anything," Benigno said. "It doesn't have sense.
He told me that men are weaker than women because a man's dreaming body is more possessive."
Yea, that sounds true to me. The possessive part.
Maybe women have taken advantage of that, in order to create marriage.
Even Einstein said it was "unnatural".
The not having any sense is absolutely true. It's one of the frustrating things about trying to recount dreaming experiences, in a form others can follow.
Sometimes you have to leave out little details.
For instance, that the beautiful female companion you had was a lizard only moments before, and you didn't think there was anything odd about that. And that even worse, she still has scales where her breasts ought to be.
Or that the copy of your bedroom you woke up to, when you turned around and saw yourself sleeping and achieved a new “gate of dreaming”, was actually your bedroom from when you were 6. You just didn’t notice that tiny detail.
So if anyone has a book deal in mind, but it's under control and doesn't interfere with your practices, don't feel like the book deal will go sour, just because your experiences don't live up to the hype.
Dreaming asleep is mostly dim witted.
That's normal! Don't sweat it...
But also go for dreaming awake. It’s less dim witted.
Hi, sorry for the offtopic.. but.. I see a "danl" in your nickname, aren't you Daniel Lawton, who has learned to see energy during the sunday sessions? :)
Yea, that's me. And maybe you know Cholita too, but the last time she said it was ok to use her name here, she'd just finished slapping me silly.
So I'll wait until she gets a little more coherent.
She did say I could post her picture, so I put up that one of her going shopping.
I would have preferred one from our last visit to San Diego. She looks amazing when she's all dolled up. Still looks like a witch, but a fun to watch one.
So you are "back in business"? :) Nice to hear it! No, I have no idea about who is Cholita, I came across your posts just yesterday.
I know you a bit from Sustained Reaction times, when you shared with me some silence techniques and some opinions that seeing is a useless stuff.
Does it only seem, or you are again taking warrior's path seriously? :-)
Cholita: the short grumpy girl from Mexico City, whom everyone knew to avoid if possible?
Except of course, the people who seemed to get along with her well. Like Margarete.
The negative stuff on sustained action was mostly play acting on my part.
If you read all of my posts there, I warned everyone that maybe the blow up was planned by Carlos.
Not that I didn’t get into piling on him. I guess I got carried away, the way Josefina did when stalking.
I also burned all my autographed books, tossed out all the relics I could find, and insisted Cholita stop reading his books.
Cholita never listened to me. And both of us kept practicing anyway. Carlos had thoroughly saturated us with sorcery knowledge, so that it was impossible to behave like a normal person anymore.
I thought that Cholita had gone off to be a little more normal, with a husband (or 3) and such.
And she did, but she used the husbands (money) to further her knowledge, taking workshops and seminars in anything she could find.
The fact is, all meditation techniques work the same way, and are compatible with sorcery.
They’re just missing the intent of sorcery, which Cholita and I already had, given by Carlos.
Cholita turned into a full-fledged witch.
And I realized, a decade later, that all of the techniques in Carlos’ books probably work.
I’d verified nearly all that don’t require another person.
I started to be able to detect double beings. I ran into 3.
The first woman was such a surprise, I let her get away. I tried to find her again, returning to the place I’d seen her every week on the same day and time, for a year.
But I never saw her again. She was a short Asian woman, a spinster. I'm told she wasn't all that pretty, but to me she was amazing. She literally glowed.
I ran into a double man, but he was too important to enlist. I suspect that's always the case. A man with that much energy goes far.
A woman with that much energy pisses off men. So they're easy to enlist.
I practiced on my own for another few years or so, wishing I had a second person to use for shared dreaming.
But I couldn’t find anyone who had risen to that skill level.
I eventually realized that Cleargreen didn't seem to be getting far enough along to repair Carlos' reputation.
At the time, I didn’t realize the internet was the place to be, so when I ran into my third double person, I decided not to let her get away.
I stalked her for nearly a year, enlisted her, and tried to form a new sorcery lineage using 4 other women, with her as the Nagual woman.
I had all of the correct types to start with. Or close enough. I might have had 2 northerly women, but it's hard to distinguish that well.
In the books, the woman is enlisted first, probably to lure the Nagual man.
After a few years I realized, you can't interest people in working hard to learn sorcery. Especially not this generation, with too much entertainment, and free partying every night.
If you can't give them the Nagual's blow, you're out of luck for building a sorcery lineage, the old fashioned way.
Those women moved on, and likely all found husbands. Jenna even has a baby now.
7 years later, after I'd found a double woman and lost her, someone pointed me to a question on reddit. And it was easy to answer, so I did.
Then I realized, restoring Carlos reputation could easily be done here, just by getting people to share experiences in public.
Hopefully people will extract relevant information, and put it up elsewhere. So anyone who sees the petty negative writings about Carlos, will also see that it really works and other people have succeeded.
It's ok if people say Carlos was an asshole. I didn't see that, but some say so.
What matters is, do his techniques work?
They do! I crossed over between 2 other worlds last night, and was disappointed I didn't manage to do more.
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So you want to say that seeing is not a useless visions induced by silence and you got it verified that it shows the essence of things really?
This is a core, massive thing if it is so. Because previously you always insisted it is a useless ability, as well as dreaming techniques...
Is Cholita your life and practice partner who also attended sunday sessions? Or someone else?
I remember our last email talk where you had mentioned that you have useless abilities, and no life and family. I am glad you are well and this had changed!
Cholita is from private classes.
Carlos handled her differently than other women, and eventually put us together, to protect Cholita.
As a westerly dreamer witch, she was very likely to go mad in the long run, which she did.
Partner?
No. She despises me.
If we accidentally bump a little going through a door, she has to go wash herself off.
When she hasn't run away, I'm lucky if I don't get slapped, kicked, spit on, or punched.
Last time she swore she'd cut my balls off, and fry them to a crisp.
BUT, she can move objects with her eyes. And she walks right through the door at night, so I can practice shared dreaming.
A few days ago she showed me a doorway. I've been trying to find it again since, but with Cholita gone again, I haven't had any luck.
As for not having family or wife, I learned that you can have as many beautiful women around as you like, as long as you don't touch.
Carlos made me celibate. Which oddly, increased how many beautiful young women I had around.
It also gave me permission to hang out with women 35 years younger. If you don't touch, what's anyone going to say about it?
As for seeing showing the essence of things, it's way beyond that.
Seeing is a tool, for making progress in sorcery. You can use it to find portals to other worlds, summon inorganic beings, or even put yourself into an amazing state of consciousness, where you are essentially sleep walking, in a way no one can detect.
Try it! Don't imagine, do.
Go find my "Simple Silence Technique", and read all the outcomes I listed.
Find out which happen to you, and move on from there.
I've also modified a few of Carlos' techniques, just a tiny bit, to make up for not having a Nagual around.
They'll work the same as if you had, if you use the modifications.
Wow! Thanks :-) Is it possible to get some advice and guidance from you? What about Tensegrity is it useful?
Invited you on facebook also to be in touch.
My facebook is a slightly different realm. It's for former students of Castaneda.
Best to remain here.
Sure, advice and guidance is why I'm here.
Yes, unfortunately, troublesome Tensegrity is very very useful.
I'm sick and tired of forms! I studied 15 martial arts.
So I'm not keen on tensegrity long forms.
But, you can travel to another world using the longer forms.
The very short movements are for scooping and manipulating energy, and our luminous cocoon.
So if you can afford a workshop from Cleargreen or Miles/Aerin, go for it.
They're also carrying intent with them.
I just worry that there's too much of the intent of cute kittens in the mix these days.
If I manage to lure my Fairy back from Cholita, maybe I'll make it into a kitten.
Cholita can try to video tape it, and we can tweet some angry politics, followed by an inorganic kitten.
Maybe I'll try to figure out which of Carlos allies was a rabid doglike creature. If I got that one, he's going to be a kitten one day!
Unfortunately, I think those 2 went with la Gorda.
Not all of them are former students I would be glad to have you in my contacts, as we were in contact previously :-) Promise not to be any kind of annoying. Thanks for your reply here, as I've popped up pretty unexpectedly.
Interestingly, I would say some signs and synchronicities were in place, as I've discovered a new book by Armando Torres, and then all of a suddent found this discussion with you.
We've had pretty much of a seeing and dreaming discussion years ago. Very glad to revive this again.
By the way, did you ever manage to get dreaming physical ("waking up in a dreaming position", "shoes and all")?
What is the most important in Tensegrity practice? Which series would you recommend?
I can't say which is more important, but the one I posted about "What's this Nonsense about..." has moves in it that I use daily.
The problem is, we don't know what all the tensegrity does. The feeling in class was, Carlos just kept making more, to keep us entertained, and that what he was explaining about it was either untrue, or so far out of our reach that it might as well be untrue.
First, yes on the keep us entertained theory. God only knows what he was doing in the second attention during class.
He couldn't help himself, but to embed cool stuff in the movements. Let's say the Chacmools were working on a new move, and Carlos noticed something with his seeing. He tinkered to get more of it.
We need seers to find out what all of it does. For example, the Gift to Maui series is for teleportation.
But so far, it doesn't seem like Cleargreen has a clue about that. I hope some day, I'll be proven horribly wrong.
Also, there's one unfortunate possibility in Carlos' "tinkering". It might have been partially to make a "group effect".
Autistic guy here. I HATE groups. What could be worse than a bunch of needy apprentices slobbering all over each other? If you don't believe me, you need to go back and re-read "Second Ring of Power".
Rather than being "spiritual", saintly, mature people, apprentices suck big time.
Hopefully the group effect isn't the majority of what he put in there.
Mashing energy is a good beginners movement. It's the first in his book. When you can actually visually see the energy being mashed, you can figure out which other tensegrity moves are good.
Mashing energy in darkness can cause you to go off balance, so if you have a 4 post bed, it's ok to put one hand on a post while you look down at your feet, mashing energy. Or if not, lay one hand on the bed.
At first, your balance in darkness will be precarious, as it is during the day.
The next time you're standing in a line at the bank, watch people! They lean on stuff if at all possible.
If you get silent, you'll notice your standing is more solid than normal people, and you don't sway constantly.
I supposed the internal dialogue causes poor balance.
And do not ignore the "ready" stance for tensegrity.
That's where you lean in slightly, legs in proper position, and thrust your arms into position, producing a mild shock or vibration to your back.
That releases the energy you'll need to see the mashing. You could in fact, use it when on the verge of assembling another world, to stop it from receding, and let you enter.
Sort of how Carlos needed to learn not to let the wall of fog rotate with his head, before he could enter.
Using "the wall" to assemble other worlds comes with the hazard that they recede from you, and you can't enter them.
Note: if you have an inorganic being with you, they aren't limited by such considerations. They can go wherever you can see. One way to know they've fixed it for you, is that they change colors when they enter.
Then you can enter too. At least, in the cases I've seen so far.
Ok, I admit it. I'm too lazy to do that tensegrity "ready stance" most of the time, but it's really cool if you try it in silence. I mostly do it when I can't see the mashing right away. Or I use it when I had to drag myself out of bed at 3AM to practice, still have a cold, and want more than anything else to go back to bed. Jolting your back using that ready stance helps.
Not enough. But if you keep going, your assemblage point might move to a place where you aren't tired anymore.
And those scooping motions in that post I made don't have to be accompanied by jumping up. I think Carlos just wanted to see the European men jumping up and down, because they were far too serious.
Just reach up, grab (or scoop if you are a beginner) a puff of purple, and put it on your kidney, liver, stomach, or rub it on your legs.
Note: grey = purple = teal = yellow in the middle = jet black parts.
red = reddish orange -> amber = yellow = white
green = something else
Is that all true? I have no idea. I just typed it and surprised myself!
You can also massage it with both hands, and then pour it over your face.
When you actually see it pouring, you'll get goosebumps!
But you have to be able to see the energy to make those work best.
They work without seeing it, as Cholita proves with her seemingly fully restored second attention body. But they work much better when you can.
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Cool, thanks. In a new book by Armando Torres there is an idea that some of the ancient passes work as a "key" for the energy body to join the nagual group after physical death. They kind of tune the energy to reach some specific place after death where the dreaming body could stay alive with other practitioners. This is an interesting topic.
By the way, did you ever think of running a blog/website/facebook page with some articles where you would give practical advice and guidance on techniques and progression. As reddit is pretty messy to find info :-(( And you info is really preciuos and valuable...
I go by invite only. Can't make money, can't promote myself for something other than advice based on Carlos, can't endorse anyone or any web page.
Can't sex up the women. Cholita is an exception, but fortunately she hates me with a passion and goes into convulsions if we accidentally touch a little.
And I can get dis-invited too. I've been dis-invited in the shamanism forum.
I follow intent. Not my own desires. Cholita is proof. If any of you borrowed her for a day, you'd be begging to give her back.
Cholita on the other hand can do as she pleases. I hope some day to build her a long dark room near her water fountain, and let her charge to do real, visible magic for people.
But she's stark raving mad.
I have no comment about Armando except to say, if someone wants to make money teaching sorcery, I feel sorry for how awful it will be for them.
As I recall, Ruby, a sorceress Carlos met very early on (probably before don Juan), refused to let anthropologists try her devil's weed tea unless they stuck around a long time, and there was some kind of omen.
And there never was as far as I can tell. But on the reservation, you can see that she did let some try it.
She could have charged money for it, and had limitless customers.
There's the model of a real sorceress.
I understand what you mean. But you see if the information you provide would be provided in some more coherent/condensed/practical way, it would be easier for people who want to follow this path to grasp on it... Seeking some posts on reddit can get really messy.
In other response to me you mentioned some students you lose to dzogchen, does this mean you are teaching some people sorcery techniques?
I would be also really glad to have some brief conversation in private, please accept me on facebook if you can. I have a pending invite and some mutual friends with you. Promise not to get too annoying :))
That's a different, "domain". I can only chat there with former private class members.
But you can private message me here!
I teach everyone sorcery techniques. Even people who work with me.
Most of the time they don't realize it.
Learning by osmosis! That way you can bypass the social filter. Sounds difficult and needing of constant creativity to keep it unnoticed.
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I don't want to bombard you with questions, but maybe would like to ask you to write some post about dreaming and other worlds in second attention. What is essential? Carlos has very different descriptions of it in his books, one describes gates, other books are about hands and the finding your body. So maybe some set of questions
1) what aboout gates, are they valid stages of progression in practice?
2) what about the inorganic realm - tunnels, scouts, have you been to there the way Carlos described it?
3) is finding hands sufficient or do we need to go there from waking? I am asking because I know some guys who tell lucid dreaming is not the real dreaming. The describe reaching the first gate as learning to go asleep with all your consciousness and through the spot( with closed eyes). Like you lie on your back eyes closed. Start to drift asleep. Then you loose your body feeling. Then in a 3d void you see like some shooting stars, then one of them pulls your attention and become colorful spot. Then it pulls you in and you enter the dreaming state, not an illusionary environment but real energy world. Does this description seem valid?
I think that this topic is interesting for many practitioners, could you make a post for us touching on these topics?
Yes, of course. But can you get lucid dreaming every night, and hold the dreams for a half hour? If you can't, it's pretty hard to pass the gates. Also, you'll be stopped at the 4th, for lack of a skilled partner. I just now got Cholita to use for the 4th, but it took 22 years for her to come along.
Also, what people don't realize is, this stuff takes DECADES! Even if you make it to the 3rd gate, it won't make any difference in your being. You have so much further to go.
I'll venture a guess: You won't become an actual sorcerer, until you are practicing ALL DAY LONG. Which means, silence, stalking, dreaming awake, watching for your cubic centimeter of chance, and a bunch of other odd sorcerer behavior.
When people saw Carlos toss private class members out, seemingly on a whim, they were watching odd sorcerer behavior. But instead of realizing he was watching intent, they interpreted it the ordinary way: he was a grumpy old bastard.
People interested in learning sorcery focus on dreaming so hard, because they're still hooked to rewards from other people. Praise, admiration, and so on.
Dreaming won't be enough to make any difference if you go at it using the gates only.
2) what about the inorganic realm - tunnels, scouts, have you been to there the way Carlos described it?
Yes, absolutely. Nearly nightly. I wouldn't be in here yapping all day long, if I hadn't. We don't need any more advice from phonies.
3) is finding hands sufficient or do we need to go there from waking?
If you can find your hands everyday, it's sufficient. If you can't, better learn to go from waking because it works. It's just more effort than people believe they should make.
Which is odd, because if they took a fancy to chess, they'd spend hours a day playing it.
Part of what the dark magicians have done (your parents) is convince you that you're too special to have your time wasted on activities that don't produce an immediate reward. Unless of course, it's an "officially sanctioned" thing which will result in great prestige for you, like becoming an Olympic swimmer. In that case they'll agree you can put off the rewards until later.
But not with something as stupid as "changing worlds". In that case, you'll be derided and mocked. Not only do you not get an easy reward, but you get punished right away.
Thus Carlos said you should learn "not to expect rewards".
I'm going to contradict him. And yet, I'm not.
You should expect huge rewards!!!! Except, you have to change your idea of what's a reward, and what's just more of the same old thing.
A reward is something like a magnificent creature materializing in your room during a thunderstorm, and asking you if there's anything you'd like to ask for. (God)
Or a Fairy flying up to you as you lay down to sleep, and putting a black and white TV behind you, in case you get bored.
(I've seen both).
Or on a slightly less flashy, but more practical level, a reward is when someone completely unreasonable is being totally unfair to you, and it doesn't bother you at all anymore.
That happens when you get silent, and your priorities change. You don't get offended if you walk down the street and there's a dog barking at you from behind a fence.
That's how it should be with people too; you don't get offended.
Yes, of course! Any dreaming progress someone makes, which lets them explain to others how they might make progress, is great!
The trouble is, people are living in the river of shit. It makes them a little angry and possessive. So when they give you their advice on dreaming, there's probably a healthy dosage of "me, me, me" in it.
Here's how to deal with that. If you study a religion, believe it fully!
You can't understand a religion if you're constantly doubting it.
Be a perfect Christian if you want to study the new testament. But when you switch to studying Buddhism, be a perfect Buddhist.
If you read dreaming advice, try it out as if it were absolutely true, and the best way to do that.
I guess I'm overdue for a post on dreaming, but I'm writing about schizophrenia today. And I'm behind on the super computer I'm designing, so I can't do both.
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Thanks for a detailed answer. Could you provide some practical advice also? And what do you think about this dreaming spot to enter with closed eyes?
I've heard some descriptions that like lucid dreaming is an illusion, not dreaming, and to do dreaming we need to go with the spot and the state reached then would be very different from just a lucid dream.
Another thing, about colors in the darkness. I've read some dzogchen literature, and, oddly enough, they describe almost the same thing as a highest achievement and level of practice. Lights, dots in the darkness, then circles, spheres lines and "buddhas" flying.. of course terminology is different, but I am very sure it is the same thing as you describe. Interesting, yes?
And most interestingly, they point to this practice as a direct way to the rainbow body ("fire from within, eh?"). What do you think about the third attention, is is reachable thing?
Daniel, also wanted to ask you another thing, did it ever get physical for you? And did you see flyers the way Carlos described, are they a real thing?
Carlos wrote about that too. Dreaming reached from silence is intrinsically different than dreaming reached while asleep.
It's a "real" world. It’s always lucid, and fully stable. You don’t have to fight for time.
I'm not sure where you read that, but dreaming is kind of mushy at first.
So yellow spot implies to me that the assemblage point has drifted quite a bit. That means, silence. Otherwise it's not possible. You'd, "double take" the spot away.
In the beginning, before you can get silent, playing with dreaming and sorcery in general is like being a kid in a toy shop.
You find a cool toy, and that becomes the most important thing in the store to you.
Then later, you discover the "de-lux" version of the toy, perhaps with "kungfu grip", and you have to tell everyone, you were mistaken. THIS new toy is the most important.
But what you need to be, is the "first job" store clerk. They're sick and tired of the toy store, and want to go home.
Yet they can surely tell you which toys are the most important in the store. They just don't care about them anymore.
OOooohhh. I feel so flattered.
Enlightenment = no big deal.
Sorry. They hyped it up to sell tickets. Asia does that in general. Asians know it, westerners are still suckers.
If you want to understand this and you are from the USA, do you really believe that the preachers on TV are healing people?
The Koreans did. That's why my hometown is predominately Korean now, with many, many churches.
Of course, the Dzogchen people can do everything we can. I lose students to them on occasion.
Needy students who have to have a group, and young women looking for a handsome "spiritual" man.
But how come the Dzogchen folks don’t just tell you to get silent, and save your donations?
If I see any flying Buddhas, they’re going to get an earful.
Then I'll ask them if it's ok to play with the temple girls, even though they're only 15. Tea is nice, but I suspect the Japanese Businessmen aren't really after their liquid refreshments.
But yes, you can see all of those. Still, why don’t the Dzogchen people tell you about Fairies? Or corpses?
They’re up-selling. If you take the 5th level of teacher training and become “the real thing”, the Buddha will love you.
But not at the 4th level. Sorry you misunderstood when you payed for that class.
I have no thoughts about the third attention. But, "is is" might sum it up.
No boners so far. Although my Fairy lifted her skirt a couple of times.
Fliers? Haven’t seen any.
If I did, I’d kick its ass!
I'd go back and start watching professional wrestling, and find some good moves to use on it. I'd give the Voladores some Luchadoring!
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About getting physical. I appreciate your humour, but I mean some magical effects Carlos described: other people see your dreaming body, observing some remote location in physical world when in dreaming and verifying it awake. Waking up in dream position (teleportation), or grabbing some ally while awake.
Because when we had our private email chat in the past, you mentioned that you think it is all in the head, no real physicality or reality to all those entities, dream realities, etc. So curious to know if you think differently now.
Yes to all. Teleportation not enough times to say it with authority.
In the past, I was piling on Carlos.
Are you zero?
You don't have to worry if you're wasting your time. You aren't.
But whether it's good to go down that road, instead of the family route, I can't say. Except, so far I haven't seen the family route work out for anyone, and I'm a close observer of such things.
Then wow. Not exactly about wasting the time, just wanted to know how far it is possible to go down this path.
Now I see that pretty far away. I do have a family, but I am planning to involve my wife in practice as well, she is kind of an interested.
No, not a zero :))
Everything is technically a waste of time when you realize it's all equally meaningful, or meaningless: making rice, winning the Olympic long jump, picking up dog poop, flying a plane, or digging a hole.
Life is it's own meaning.
At most Nagualist practices are statistically rarely pursued. But practicing doesn't make you a more or less valuable person than a dog walker, a Hindu priestess, a hotel maid, a NASA engineer, or a hot dog vendor.
What you're doing at any one moment doesn't define or limit you, even being a practicing Nagualist; unless you actively and desperately anchor yourself to it as a bulwark of your self-worth. Dangerous.
But about the gates if Carlos' 9 book techniques are sufficient, why so little people reach even 2 gate? Tbh, you are the second person I know who has reached it..
So maybe there is much more to it than described in the "Art of Dreaming"?
Anyway, finding this Reddit was a big big surprise to me, and even bigger surprise that you've come to verify that seeing is not just a kind of "similar to drug induced useless visions".
Laziness. Ego. Family. Spouse.
Ego means, many have reached it! One time each gate, the description is a little "ify", and don't pay attention to their power plant usage.
Unless you can do it fully sober, many times, best not to comment on gates of dreaming.
Drug induced visions?
Of course seeing is similar to those!
In both cases, you're using the same hardware.
You could probably find CP/M for your powerful windows 10 machine.
Both would have some similar things going on.
But the CP/M would keep you stuck where it was 60 years ago.
You could play Zork all day long.
Power plants push the assemblage point, and it gets stuck in a certain range. That range is mostly incompatible with daily life.
Seeing is vast. It opens up all humans can perceive.
But what's going on is no different in these cases.
Drugs push the assemblage point. Possibly mostly by screwing with the internal dialogue.
Learning to see requires learning to move it yourself. And there are infinite places you can move it to, unlike the drug.
So could you give some advice on how to reach the IB world if I am able to keep stable dreaming scenes?
Did you also manage to reach other positions CC described (yellow dunes, black world)? How are those reached, also with scouts or some other technique?
Yellow dunes, yes. Pretty much anytime I have 8 hours, and Cholita isn't trying to murder me.
Black world, never heard of it.
Reaching other worlds can be done 2 ways that I'm familiar with, but certainly there are many others, like the "gate of power".
That was too much like marching band, so I've avoided it.
All methods to reach other worlds work the same way: your assemblage point has to move very far.
My favorite method is absolute and total silence. You have to completely eliminate the internal dialogue, for at least 2 hours.
Then, identify what's left in the mind. If somewhere deep inside you're still fussing about something in the "real world", even if it's only a faint image in the mind, that has to go.
When that's gone for a minute or two, you end up in the sand dunes. You likely won't see the transition. In that state of mind, you are completely "innocent". And you'll "blank out" for an instant. When you come to, you'll be seeing yellow everywhere.
Seeing the emanations by themselves, and the bundles, is possible from there. But it's not the same thing, it's another step.
However, so much else will happen long before you get to the sand dunes, that you'll surely get off the carousel and go look around.
It's like a kid at a carnival, who gets distracted by the funnel cake, before making it to the fun house.
That technique is too advanced for most, because of the requirement for 2 hours of no internal dialogue.
So, use darkness, find colors, play with them. Must be silent, but mistakes are ok.
You'll ride the colors, down to heightened awareness.
When your breathing gets perfect (the yogi's perfect breath type thing), and you didn't consciously do it, and you feel happy and optimistic, and any minor pains you had are completely gone, you're there.
From heightened awareness, form "the wall".
You just sit up on the bed, in total darkness, watching the colors float around. And lines too. Any light you see is valid, since the room is absolutely dark.
Wait until the lights form a flat surface in front of you.
Eyes must be open the whole time.
When you see the wall, you're there.
If it has details on it, like a spinning thing of light, don't pay too much attention to those. You'll get distracted.
Carefully turn your head, or maybe just your eyes, and peek to the right, to see if the wall extends there too.
If not, look at the bed-sheet, and the ceiling.
When you can find, "the wall" on those, keep expecting it to form 360, so that you're surrounded by it.
CAREFULLY get up. You can't start thinking!!!!
Walk around, staying at least 6 feet from the walls. Look for details.
When you see details on the walls, and not just the lights of "the wall", try to keep "equanimity" (wasn't that the Buddhist word?).
Don't break out into dancing, or start shouting "hallelujah!"
Just give yourself a very careful and gentle "thumbs up".
Otherwise, you likely won't remember any of it. The thumb is a marker for remembering. A whole lot of stuff gets attached to that thumb, and you'll need at least one piece of it, to remember.
Those details on the wall are in fact, another world that's assembling for you.
Sit on the bed, perhaps now you're looking at the wall to the right of the bed, instead of the one at the foot of it. In other words, my favorite is to be sitting on pillows at the head of the bed for the first part, but after I can see another world, I like to sit on the right side of the bed, so it's easy to stand up and start walking.
Don't think! The details will get stronger and stronger, until you can see what type of world it is.
Now here's the problem. Can you enter it?
If you stand up and try to walk into the forest you are seeing, or canyon, or whatever it turns out to be, does it remain the same distance from you?
The limit is the real wall of your room. If it moves back, you'll bump into the wall. So you can't enter.
If you have an inorganic being, watch her. She'll likely be floating just above you, if you trained her right.
She can enter. If she passes into it further than the "real wall", and her color seems to change, you can enter.
I've never seen them enter a world other than their own, but I'm sure they could do it. They just aren't as motivated.
If you enter their world, you'll be shocked to see MANY of them. Don't Freak out or they'll scatter away. But if you do, just remain calm, and some will return.
Use your palm to pull on them, then push them back. Just pull them as close to you as you can, then push them back into their muck. Or holes, or whatever this world has.
Eventually you'll learn how to push and pull on them, without having to have your hand touch them. It's just a cue for them. A hypnotic one they can hardly resist.
If you keep that up each night for a week or two objects around the house will start to fall off tables and beds, seconds after you set them down there.
Too many seconds to be a normal thing.
That's how you learn to move objects in the real world, merely by looking at them.
I almost had that under full control, when Cholita went mad and became homeless. I took her in, to prevent her rape and suicide from being homeless in LA.
She took my inorganics away.
As best I can figure, her madness lets her interact with them as if she were fully in a dream, where they can be as real as we are.
A couple of weeks ago, she moved a dim sum plate for me with her eyes, 3 times. There was no mistaking it, unless crazy Cholita had managed to set up some complex trick without knowing the subject would come up in casual conversation at dinner.
She can't even deposit a check in the bank without my help.
So I have to say, she did it.
As best I can reason out, she spilled some soup on the table, and the very light dim sum plate was sitting on it, thus reducing the friction.
My little fairy (favorite inorganic and not too scary like Carlos' inorganics) gave it a push for her, because we'd been discussing that technique.
Maybe they can't push all that hard.
Another method to enter: Watch the wall until the spinning thing forms, and keep watching it.
A portal to another world can form. I'm not sure how you can select.
But if it does, and if you can look into it, and if it seems that you could leap into it, go ahead.
It's absolutely stable for as long as you like, and you never lose lucidity.
One more: Watch the colors in the darkness, and see if they aren't actually "everywhere". Not just floating puffs or balls, but beams of color, stretching all the way from floor to ceiling, at random angles.
I never saw that until Cholita was sleeping not 50 feet from me, in her own room (with 2 doors locked between us and maybe the dresser pushed against it for safe measure, and a host of witchcraft spells for added protection from me).
Paranoid Schizophrenia. Emphasis on the paranoia in Cholita's case.
Since she brought it to me, I can find it myself, even when she's fled again (as she has today).
Watch an intersection of the colors for details, to see what it "really is".
A dream will materialize. It's completely different than any other kind of dreaming, because it's only located where you are looking, and doesn't extend more than a few feet. And you can identify multiple dreams, from multiple people, inside the room, at the same time.
If the main person in the dream is very powerful, you can enter and follow them.
It's easy to follow Cholita, except that she's now forbid me.
Where do the walls of the room go when you start walking fast, to keep up with the dreaming person?
Beats me, but once you get into the dream you forget about them.
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I will definitely try your approach. So, this is to do a second attention from waking, what about doing in from the dreaming?
https://www.reddit.com/r/C_S_T/comments/dlao3b/the_total_number_of_minds_in_the_universe_is_one/ this subreddit is closely related to r/conspiracy - check out this compilation.
Nice collection of quotes, I guess, every single one of them is completely useless without context. If it's related to r/conspiracy then probably it was the purpose to take out of context and interpret it in any way you want, although I don't see any point being pushed there, just quotes.
Maybe this is the almost inevitable path that "religions" take after the "guru", the one with actual experience and realisation, passes on. But that doesn't mean the realisation becomes inaccessible to others. A perseverant and attentive seeker may always grok the underlying meaning, or to put it in this sub's terms, tune into the intent of the lineage, or as they say in Zen, lock eyebrows with the patriarchs. The message of most religions, and of Cleargreen most likely, has been heavily buried in ritual and reinterpretation, though that doesn't necessarily preclude their having some realised teachers.
Cool! I didn't know they said that.
Zen is frustrating to me. It's the closest to what we do, but they deliberately hold themselves back from going further.
And although they perceive the second attention, you can't have a talk with them about why they ignore it.
Because, they won't believe you!
If they can lock eyebrows, how come they can't tell when someone is being truthful with them?
It’s simple. They’ve had their asses hazed off by the Japanese Zen system.
Hazing. And now they have Stockholm syndrome. But worse, when people get bullied in Asia, they grow up to feel entitled to be a bully themselves.
It's the reward. They even have TV shows centered around the theme.
Apparently “enlightenment” isn’t protection from being narrow minded.
And yet, those wonderful Zen guys and the cool things they say…
How can you be angry with them?
About Cleargreen: Carlos sent them to teach tensegrity. It's the official channel.
And between them, they have decades of instruction from Carlos.
I've seen some magnificent Tensegrity being done by their associates. So they're still the best source of that.
They also have a "toy surprise inside". Each Cleargreen person potentially a different one.
I won't explain that, but if you've been reading my posts you'll guess what I mean.
Carlos set up a treasure hunt of sorts, just to make sure there would be motivation to do what he wrote.
Re-unite the apprentices. That's why he did it.
I seem to be the only one hunting. It's a pity. He set up a beautiful path to follow, if you only "jump".
It's hard to find such outlandish things to occupy your time with! And this one is pure intent.
Cleargreen just got lazy, that's all. It's not a permanent condition. We just need to shout to them, come over here!
But from the second attention. That's the only thing that they'll hear.
I'm working on it with Cholita. She was a little better yesterday.
And my house is amazingly clean! After all the talk of how she's not a servant, she sure is a hard worker when it matters to her. And she takes no credit. I just find that the Venetian blinds are now spotlessly white, and when I ask her, she says they're still dirty.
If I can just get her to care about dreaming she'll go off so fast, into the unknown, that I'll be complaining in here about not being able to keep up with her.
But first, she has to stop hating me with a passion. She seems to only be able to tolerate my presence in the home for about 30 minutes, then I have to go hide.
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The degree to which one aligns one's intent with that of previous generations seems to be variable. Perhaps it depends on how we've scattered our intent on other things throughout our lives, which our nagual perhaps still has to tend to (hence recapitulation), and also on how much we really commit to the path, how unbending our intent has become. I imagine some Zen students totally outgrow and transcend the system, as with any luck some Cleargreen students may.
There are three kinds of bad habits which we use over and over when confronted with unusual life situations. First, we may disregard what's happening or has happened and feel as if it had never occurred. That one is the bigot's way. Second, we may accept everything at its face value and feel as if we know what's going on. That's the pious man's way. Third, we may become obsessed with an event because either we cannot disregard it or we cannot accept it wholeheartedly. That's the fool's way. There is a fourth, the correct one, the warrior's way. A warrior acts as if nothing had ever happened, because he doesn't believe in anything, yet he accepts everything at its face value. He accepts without accepting and disregards without disregarding. He never feels as if he knows, neither does he feel as if nothing had ever happened. He acts as if he is in control, even though he might be shaking in his boots. To act in such a manner dissipates obsession.
You must cultivate the feeling that a warrior needs nothing. You have everything needed for the extravagant journey that is your life. I have tried to teach you that the real experience is to be a man, and that what counts is being alive; life is the little detour that we are taking now. Life in itself is sufficient, self-explanatory and complete. A warrior understands this and lives accordingly; therefore, one may say without being presumptuous that the experience of experiences is being a warrior.
Yea but...
There were plenty of people in private classes who had this memorized, and you could see them going around, forcing themselves to "feel" like they were behaving this way. The Europeans seemed especially good at social pretending, perhaps because they still have a class system in much of Europe.
Carlos demonstrated in class how you could tell they were posturing. They lifted their noses up slightly, and had the look on their face like they'd just smelled some shit, but were too polite to mention it. Carlos even used his hand to wave some air into his upturned nose, so he could exaggerate the posturing human face. His face wrinkled up, and he formed the "poop smell" mouth.
So if you want to go around smelling shit, I guess this quote is useful.
I'm not meaning to pick on this guy, I love the quote! I'll be thinking about it for days.
But I need to vaccinate everyone against the total failure of the Private Class crop.
And this "warriors behavior" is automatic once you are silent all day long.
It's automatic! All of it.
You guys will feel that when you get a percentage of silence during the day, running about. You'll notice yourself walking along amidst other people, perhaps in a parking lot, and you won't have any desire to look at them. You'll be looking straight ahead, perhaps trying to spot sparkles on the ground (hidden things from the second attention).
But your senses will be in super mode, because you're silent. So you'll perceive more about the people around you than you ever have.
And yet, you won't lift your head to acknowledge any of it, because you're silent and there's no need to mix yourself up in that situation, embedding a few more of your fibers here or there, requiring recap to get them back.
The good news is, this happens to both warriors and stormtroopers. And all you have to do is be silent.
I suspect this quote helps with that. It's good to have it in the back of your mind, as an explanation for what's going on when you get silent. Otherwise, you might feel like you're loosing your connection to the world and that it's a bad thing. With this quote, you'll realize that instead, it's a very good thing.
And maybe the quote contains some intent also.
But it's not "words to live by", because that's impossible. Without silence you could never find that place, even if you memorized this quote.
What's my proof? The entire failed batch of 100 apprentices Carlos put so much time into.
Where are they?
My guess is, wherever they went, they're still smelling poop.
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If you have no personal history, no explanations are needed; nobody is angry or disillusioned with your acts. And above all no one pins you down with their thoughts. It is best to erase all personal history because that makes us free from the encumbering thoughts of other people.
Yea but...
The former apprentices of Carlos, who have valuable information they could share with those who haven't given up, have become cagey and secretive.
I run into them occasionally on the web, spouting inspirational quotes.
But when I try to figure out what they're up to, they scatter like cockroaches in a kitchen when the lights go on.
They've not only erased personal history, but their manners as well!
Besides, the best way to understand this statement is to literally feel the effects of other people's encumbering thoughts, and to notice that they're reduced around 3-5AM local time, when even the drunks from the bar have been forced to go home and sleep.
(This is fun, give me another quote! I suspect my malicious dreaming double has rubbed off on me a bit today...)
I was listening to one of Cleargreen's Tensional Integrity YouTube Channel vids and they were saying how they wouldn't be doing any more tour-workshops of Mexico City (or possibly any other cities or sites) because the Mexican government had allowed private collectors to buy too many of the Toltec pieces in the national museum.
There simply weren't enough of their actual original sculptural works there anymore; salient examples of their focused second attention that can't be accessed through a copy.
I was given a wonderful tour of that museum by Carlos himself.
It's a pity those relics are gone.
However, ANY of you can go on that tour! I'm not joking.
Learn to get silent, and you can replay my memory of it. We're all in the same lineage.
Just don't follow me after the museum tour, back to my hotel room...
I couldn't confirm it with a cursory search. Maybe they're keeping that fact from the public fearing it will affect museum tickets.
They may still be accessible in private museums though. There are a bunch of those in Mexico City.
I'd rather go looking for objects in the field, like one of the apprentices did.
I guess it's bad to pick them up, but even that might be interesting.
Seeing colors in darkness eventually spills over into the day, and seeing a glow or a flicker on the ground isn't uncommon.
But they don't stick around. I'd like to see one stick around.
I doubt any or many major pieces were sold by the government (just not enough money in it for them compared to other forms of graft, plus the INAH and other cultural institutions tend to be run by pretty serious academics), but they very well may display copies, as museums do. If I recall, the Atlanteans in the museum are the originals, and not the ones at the original site in Tula.
Here's the virtual tour of the permanent Toltec exhibition in case anyone's second attention is attuned enough to tell.
I sincerely hope you're right! Being able to personally scan them with a fully accessible second attention would open up worlds for a mid-level practitioner, possibly literally.
I'd be extremely wary, from all that DJ said about the old sorcerers, and from what happened to la Gorda with the stone she found at Monte Alban.
Renata Murez & Bruce Wagner start talking about the situation in Palenque at the 3 min 11 second mark:
https://youtu.be/3Y0sY3ZoxI8
I'm not convinced they know that much, Renata's source seems to be her tour guide, and at one point Bruce says something about the chac mools in Palenque, which weren't found there, but I don't doubt the tendency.
Luckily, there are many, many out of the way ruins all over Mexico, mostly unexplored, which haven't suffered the same plunder. And not only the out of the way ones, one notable site not too far from Palenque, should you ever get the chance to visit, is Bonampak. It has a eerie silence to it, like some cavernous cathedrals do, and is nestled in thick jungle. A guy told me once that the pyramids there were still energetically intact (not sure exactly what that means), and that just going there could be curative. People in villages near sites often have minor hoards in their houses, though not on display, not something they advertise. Stats from the National Anthropology and History Institute suggest there are 29,000 registered archeological sites, of which only 181 are open to the public, and the INAH estimates another 200,000 places with remnants. Honestly if one's second attention is activated it must be hard to avoid them.