I've seen them manifest as many as 5 copies of themselves, in various shapes.
The weird effects are the assemblage point moving, and the second attention coming out to fill in missing details.
The only thing that's odd here is what triggered it, when you hadn't been practicing sorcery.
But inorganic beings play with everyone, all the time. Mostly we're only aware of them in dreams.
On the other hand, it could be aliens. The old sorcerers can tell you, despite sorcery knowledge, aliens can come along and wipe you out.
The spanish did that to them.
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u/[deleted]
3 points2020-01-11 20:56recovered
Oh that's not mine, I told OP to post it here but he didn't so I had to. It made me think of the description of the allies from one of the early books and it sounded like the assemblage point movement.
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u/danl999
5 points2020-01-12 16:34
I was thinking more about it last night.
There's something about going into the wilderness, or at least somewhere with no people and lots of plants.
People go "vision questing", even when they haven't learned to be silent.
And Carlos' early encounters with inorganics were outside.
I'm not sure what it means, but the situation can move the assemblage point. Then when the person has some kind of "surprise" reaction, to whatever they perceive, that's what attracts inorganic beings.
The energy released by the sudden emotion.
Of course, there are most surely aliens out there, so that can't ever be ruled out.
And the belief in those tends to color people's experiences, to match that.
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u/[deleted]
2 points2020-01-12 17:02recovered
I also got the idea that it might have been a place of power. And the circumstances aligned for him to experience that.
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u/danl999
5 points2020-01-12 17:50
That's certainly possible!
You just made me realize, Carlos gave us a technique for finding power spots. It seems to be designed to find inorganic beings, but since they can show up where ever you are, it has to have another purpose.
You wave your hand across the ground, palm down, and slowly. If you feel warmth, you run in that direction and repeat.
If you don't feel warmth, you turn 180 and do it in that direction.
I can't remember what you do if both don't work, but likely you run a random direction.
The way this works is, it brings out the second attention in the person doing the technique, that releases new energy, and hopefully you're silent enough to precieve the results.
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u/[deleted]
3 points2020-01-12 18:44recovered
I can't let go of the feeling that those could've been the flyers. And thanks for the technique, it seems simple enough. But aren't those spots rare?
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u/danl999
2 points2020-01-12 20:12
I don't know. There's so much to try, I never got in to power spots.
Carlos stood me on one in his home, but I didn't feel anything.
It was when he gave me that half of a pear to tell me, using Chinese symbology, that he was dying for sure.
Kind of sad now that I think of it...
On the other hand, it was covered in that Mexican Crema stuff.
With Carlos telling Ellis his sperm is magical (that's actually true), I worry a bit about the Crema.
I just can't figure out which possibility I'm more worried about.
Did or didn't?
Cholita worries about that constantly. She won't let me touch any food or water she's going to consume.
It's come to be a joke. I just tell her, no sperm this time. I ran out.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2020-01-12 20:25recovered
It was hard for me to believe he actually died.
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u/danl999
4 points2020-01-12 20:46
He made sure I was here to tell you.
He died.
He even complained to me in private that no one believed he was dying.
But I guess death isn't as bad for a sorcerer as for an ordinary person. They still have a chance to remain aware.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2020-01-13 11:38recovered
If he was such a great sorcerer, how could he die of cancer though? That's hard to understand.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-13 19:16
Old age gets everyone in the end. Cholita will outlive me.
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u/[deleted]
2 points2020-01-13 19:21recovered
I wonder who's gonna take care of her then.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-13 19:36
She's eligible for social security disability, for the rest of her life.
It's enough to live like a king in mexico. Enough to get by here, outside the expensive areas like LA.
But she won't sign any papers saying she's not sane.
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u/[deleted]
2 points2020-01-13 20:29recovered
Even if she did have the money. I know you don't control her, but she can count on you and has a place to come back to. But when you're gone...
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u/danl999
5 points2020-01-13 20:39
She's only got a 50/50 chance of living.
She leaves day planners around.
The last one had a series of paranoid observations for several pages, concluding at the end, "Most likely I die."
About the only place such a person can find a good home is with sorcerers.
No one can put up with a full blown paranoid schizophrenic. They're famous for causing nervous breakdowns in caretakers.
For instance, sitting at a bar, she decided to explain to the bartender that I couldn't get an erection.
They think of the worst thing to do, and do it. But being a stalker type, I found it fun.
I explained that I only like 22 year olds.
Aside from fun stalking possibilities, I've noticed that each time she runs away and comes back her witchcraft has gotten stronger.
I get gifts when she returns.
She truly behaves like one of Carlos' "scouts".
In light of her behavior, I think it's understandable what happened to the Blue Scout.
I asked Cholita about the blue scout. All she would say was, "She sure was different."
Then she began to laugh, like she remembered a very funny story regarding the blue scout.
I was waiting for her to explain, but she went catatonic.
It has eyes, a mouth. Or maybe not, but it's clearly a "being". In front of you. It's intelligent, you can feel it. Although, it's a weird kind of alien intelligence.
It has no organic body.
It's an "inorganic being".
People who read Carlos' books get the wrong impression about them, because the earlier books were basically tricks to capture Carlos' attention.
Ringing in ears? That happens when the assemblage point moves very far. Unless you have it all the time.
Mine pop to. My assemblage point will shift because I'm watching colors or inorganic beings in darkness, I'll start to feel the bliss of meditation, the colors in the darkness will intensify, and then suddenly my ears start clicking. Or I hear very high frequency sounds.
Last night, one of the inorganic beings I'm trying to tame even whistled for me. Just once.
Don't be afraid of those beings! They make wonderful friends, if you can overcome your fear.
Unless of course, those really were aliens. But in that case, wouldn't it be kind of cool to be abducted?
I never understand why people are afraid of the supernatural.
Try to remember this: When you perceive something that should not be there, it releases energy.
This can be felt as goosebumps, becoming light headed, or more commonly, fear.
It's not fear. It's energy. But fear can move the assemblage point, and release the same kind of energy.
So we associate this energy with fear, when in fact there's no such association.
That energy is like a magnet for inorganic beings, who like to move in close, to get the warmth.
And if you were frightened, they play that up to get more.
But if you greet them as if they were very good friends, they react that way instead.
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u/tryerrr
0 points2020-01-14 16:05
Like Pixar/Jobs’ Monsters Inc..?
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u/danl999
4 points2020-01-14 17:17
Yea, I never thought of that.
And I might as well add this somewhere.
Star Wars has gone even deeper into Carlos. I watched the last Jedi last night and noticed many things.
I wish I could remember all of them.
Luke has Rey sit on a large altar to experiment with her powers (the second attention).
At one point he wants her to stop doing something and concentrate, so he pushes her hand down on some small sharp rocks, the same way Zuleica had Carlos sit on small sharp rocks, to keep him at his task.
Snoke tells Kylo Ren that he knows his every "intent", so he can't do anything behind his back.
Rey is able to view Kylo at a distance, and he connects to her similiar to what Cholita and I have done lately.
Eventually they open a portal, and can teleport to the other's location.
They didn't do that in the originals!
There's a bunch more, but anyone can watch it and find the things.
Hollywood was heavily in to Carlos. The witches even gave a lecture at Sony, and Carlos was approached to put his books to movie.
I expect they'll even incorporate some of what they read in here, in future movies.
They did that with "Inception". It's taken right from Sustained Action.
Bruce owns the movie rights now. Carlos used to joke that he'd like to make a movie, but he wanted Robert Redford to play him (Carlos likely met Robert out at Morongo. Carlos also joked he was against Anthony Quinn for don Juan.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2020-01-14 21:38
And the new one "Rise of Skywalker," the last of the saga, goes deeper yet! I liked it, in opposition to the film critics.
In one scene Kylo Ren, while essentially dreaming awake, grabs a necklace Rey was wearing and physically pulls it back to his location on the other side of the Galaxy.
And there's a ton of second attention perception throughout it.
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u/danl999
4 points2020-01-14 22:47
I'm convinced you could actually do that!
So far I've only snatched inorganic beings from elsewhere.
(Kidnapped one last night.)
But if I get offered solid objects, I'm going to test the nagual Elias' claim of having a collection of alien objects.
Imagine if you could grab their equivalent of a screw.
It's very basic technology, but they might have come up with a different idea.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2020-01-15 00:40
nagual Elias' claim of having a collection of alien objects.
Forgot about that. The books are so dense you can never hold onto everything. Lucky for us! To have found something so ripe with possibilities it's literally inexhaustible.
(sorry for the 'literally,' but in this case it's appropriate)
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u/danl999
2 points2020-01-15 17:59
It's a good idea to remember what Carlos did. He banned us from reading the books.
And Carol Tiggs told the audience to stop asking questions about the books. They were nitpicking details of how things should happen.
She said something like, just let it happen to you the way it does for you.
You can get stuck on one thing from the books, and not realize Carlos pretty much admitted it could go differently in classes.
(That was for someone else.)
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u/tryerrr
2 points2020-01-16 01:42
From “Great Disciples of the Buddha”:
The divine eye is the ability to see beyond the range of the physical eye, extending in Anuruddha’s case to a thousandfold world system. This faculty, which we will discuss more fully below, is of a mundane (lokiya) character, one whose acquisition does not necessarily entail that its possessor has gained realization of the Dhamma. Anuruddha attained the divine eye before he became an arahant, and to reach the heights he still had to overcome many inner obstacles. Three reports in the canon tell of his struggles.
The Buddha declared that when he was still striving for enlightenment he too had met the same difficulty but had discovered how to master it. He explained that to experience these subtle states in full and obtain a steady perception of them one should free oneself from eleven imperfections (upakkilesa). The first is uncertainty about the reality of these phenomena and the significance of the inner light, which might easily be taken for a sensory illusion. The second is inattention: one no longer directs one’s full attention to the inner light but disregards it, evaluating it as unremarkable or inessential. The third imperfection is lethargy and drowsiness; the fourth, anxiety and fright, which occurs when threatening images or thoughts arise from the subconscious. When these imperfections have been mastered, elation may arise, which excites body and mind. Such exultation is often a habitual reaction to any kind of success. When that elation has exhausted itself, one may feel emotionally drained and fall into inertia, a heavy passivity of mind. To overcome it, one makes a very strong effort, which may result in an excess of energy. On becoming aware of this excess, one relaxes and falls again into sluggish energy. In such a condition, when mindfulness is weak, strong longing may arise for desirable objects of the celestial or the human world, according to the focusing of the inner light which had been widened in its range. This longing will reach out to a great variety of objects and thus lead to another imperfection, a large diversity of perceptions, be it on the celestial or human plane. Having become dissatisfied with this great diversity of forms, one chooses to contemplate one of them, be it of a desirable or undesirable nature. Concentrating intensely on the chosen object will lead to the eleventh imperfection, the excessive meditating on these forms.
...(skipped Anuruddha asking how to overcome these, being led to reapply the 7 above, and Buddha noticing it)...
When the Buddha perceived in his own mind the thoughts that had arisen in Anuruddha’s mind, he appeared before him in a mind-made body (manomaya-kāya) and applauded him: “Good, Anuruddha, good! You have well considered seven thoughts of a great man. You may now also consider this eighth thought of a great man: ‘This Dhamma is for one who inclines to the non-diffuse, who delights in the non-diffuse; not for one
who inclines to worldly diffuseness and delights in it.’”
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u/dazz123d
3 points2020-01-16 13:56
Wow im blown away by the level of insightfulness you people acquire woah
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-16 17:21
Man those Buddhists!
That reads like what you all will discover, once you can get silent.
When these imperfections have been mastered, elation may arise, which excites body and mind.
When you get silent and stop being an asshole, and watch anything coming from the second attention, your assemblage point moves to heightened awareness.
That is what it feels like!
Having become dissatisfied with this great diversity of forms,
I was there a couple of years ago. It's just too much, so nothing is important.
It happens to dreamers at the second gate too.
he appeared before him in a mind-made body (manomaya-kāya)
Cholita can do that. I was playing with her for a good 15 minutes last night, in that mind-made body.
That one doesn't hate me with a passion, the way her worldly body does.
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u/tryerrr
3 points2020-01-16 01:45
From same book “Great disciples of the Buddha”:
The divine eye (dibbacakkhu) is so called because it is similar to the vision of the devas, which is capable of seeing objects at remote distances, behind barriers, and in different dimensions
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The divine eye is developed by meditative power. It is not a distinct sense organ but a type of knowledge, yet a knowledge that exercises an ocular function. This faculty is aroused on the basis of the fourth jhāna, and specifically through one of the meditative supports called the light kasiṇa or the fire kasiṇa, a visualized circle of light or fire. After mastering the four jhānas through either of these kasiṇa, the meditator descends to a lower level of concentration called “access concentration” (upacāra-samādhi) and extends light to the immediately surrounding area, thereby bringing into view forms that are ordinarily imperceptible. As the meditator becomes progressively more adept in this ability to radiate light, he can then suffuse increasingly larger areas with light and project the radiance outwardly to distant world systems and to planes of existence above and below the human plane. This will reveal many dimensions of being that are inaccessible to the ordinary fleshly eye.
of existence.
The characteristic function of the divine eye, according to the texts, is the knowledge of the passing away and rebirth of beings (cutūpapātañāṇa). This knowledge was achieved by the Buddha on the night of his own Enlightenment and was always included by him in the complete step-by-step gradual training, where it appears as the second of the three true knowledges (tevijjā; see, for example, MN 27) and the fourth of the six superknowledges (chaḷabhiññā, see MN 6). By means of this faculty the meditator is able to see beings as they pass away from one form of existence and take rebirth elsewhere. But it is not only the actual passage from life to life that the divine eye reveals. With the appropriate determination it can also be used to discover the particular kamma that brought about rebirth into the new form of existence. In this application it is called the knowledge of faring on in accordance with one’s kamma (kammūpaga-ñāṇa). At its maximum efficiency the divine eye can illuminate the entire panorama of sentient existence—spread out over thousands of world systems and extending from the highest heavens to the lowest hells—revealing too the kammic laws that govern the process of rebirth. While only a supreme Buddha will have absolute mastery over this knowledge, disciples who have perfected the divine eye can perceive regions of the sentient universe that elude our most powerful telescopes.
The Venerable Anuruddha was designated by the Buddha as the foremost bhikkhu disciple endowed with the divine eye (etadaggaṁ dibbacakkhukānaṁ; AN 1; chap. 14). Once, when a number of eminent monks living together in the Gosiṅga sāla- tree forest exchanged views on the kind of monk that could beautify that forest, Anuruddha characteristically replied that it was one who, with the divine eye, could survey a thousand world systems, just as a man standing on a high tower could see a thousand farmsteads (MN 32). Anuruddha also helped his own pupils to acquire the divine eye (SN 14:15) and in his verses celebrates his skill in this faculty:
Absorbed in five-factored concentration, Peaceful, with a unified mind,
I had gained tranquillity
And my divine eye was purified.
Standing on the five-factored jhāna
I know the passing and rebirth of beings; I know their coming and their going, Their life in this world and beyond.
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u/danl999
2 points2020-01-16 17:31
similar to the vision of the devas, which is capable of seeing objects at remote distances, behind barriers, and in different dimensions
That's my main practice lately. I was inspired by The Last of the Jedi.
I knew that could be learned, but there wasn't any reason to. There's so much else to do.
But there's a "Jedi Religion" group in europe. If I could figure out how to do what the Jedi do, I might interest them in learning Carlos' techniques.
Cholita can do the levitation trick. Last night she was shouting angrily about it.
Possibly she couldn't get it to work again.
So when you do something, and tell someone, be prepared for them to misunderstand and semi-deify you.
Just because you did it once, doesn't mean you can easily do it again!
No one seems to get that. Don Juan was so perfect, they assume that's how it goes.
It doesn't!
and extends light to the immediately surrounding area, thereby bringing into view forms that are ordinarily imperceptible.
Cholita did that for me.
I was playing with the colors using Tensegrity, but once Cholita moved in, a fog of light floated into the room, and to this day I can summon it, even when Cholita is gone.
Just focus on details in that light, and dream scenes emerge.
Or inorganic beings. The two are distinct in that the dreams animate at full speed, inorganic beings are sort of very low frame rate.
Also, the dreams don't notice you unless you bother them. The inorganics do nothing but notice you. They react to your reactions continuously.
You have to drop a demon into one of the dreams, to get a reaction there. Or go into it and get too close to them.
able to see beings as they pass away from one form of existence and take rebirth elsewhere
Buddhism attached itself to the intent of Hinduism, and interprets what it sees according to that.
We have a different intent.
Carlos used to make fun of the idea of re-incarnation all the time, saying, you become perfect for what???
That's a cruel joke if you learn to navigate. It's so weird and alien out there, that the idea of a human perfection seems absurd.
Not to mention, you see Buddhist masters sitting on thrones, taking gifts from hard working people who can't afford to spend all their time in protected isolation.
Perfect???
Perfect parasites perhaps.
While only a supreme Buddha will have absolute mastery over this knowledge,
WARNING!!!! Asian hazing there. Asian social order.
If you haven't spent time in Asia, with an honest guide, you can't understand that.
But to sum it up, the "thousand year old eggs" are not 1000 years old.
And most Zen masters are cruel to their wives.
Some even keep 15 year olds around, to fund the temple with bogus tea ceremony for wealthy businessmen. In Japan, perhaps all temples do that.
In Taiwan, it's confession booths outside the temple, run by the male children given to the temple to become gangsters. The women are desperate, and will go into a booth with you for money, not all of which they get.
In Burma, it's little boys.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2020-01-16 20:00
learn to navigate. It's so weird and alien out there, that the idea of a human perfection seems absurd.
I'm more drawn to the Taoist "True Man" analogy. You can only ever be what you actually are, when all the external bits and corruptions are eliminated.
Basically the same as "Man of Knowledge" in Castaneda's canon.
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u/tryerrr
3 points2020-01-16 01:50
Same book, interesting tidbit on wakeful dreaming?
In these verses Anuruddha refers to three of the ascetic practices—the going on alms round, the use of robes made from discarded rags, and the sitter’s practice. The last is the vow not to lie down but to sleep while sitting in the meditation posture. In his last verse Anuruddha implies that for twenty- five years he had not slept at all. Perhaps through the power of meditative absorption he was able to refresh his mind so fully that sleep had become unnecessary. But the commentary indicates that in the later part of his life Anuruddha allowed himself a short period of sleep to dispel physical fatigue.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-16 17:44
If you go into heightened awareness, you are technically asleep according to don Juan.
I didn't sleep last night at all. I feel fine.
But that doesn't mean I didn't spend hours in dreaming.
Had an interesting one. I was in Cholita's workshop in the garage.
She converted a dusty and ugly garage filled with my junk, into a paradise art workshop (by throwing away all my stuff, and spending $20,000).
In the middle of the workshop, a woman materialized.
I thought I was awake. A woman materializing isn't such a big deal to me.
One of the neighbor children was making noise outside, so I opened the garage door and asked him, Can you see this woman in the red dress?
He replied, Sure! But she's wearing blue.
I was so elated, I had finally found out if other people can perceive manifestations of the second attention, as long as one of the people can see it clearly.
Then I got suspicious, looked at my hands, and my little fingers were missing.
Shit!
But it does prove, finding your hands can also be used to test if you are dreaming.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2020-01-16 20:07
I didn't sleep last night at all. I feel fine.
I understand this clearly, from our online conversations over the months. But it is still one of the most alien, to our socialization, statements you've made.
Someone just reading this, with no other knowledge, would find it incomprehensible.
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u/tryerrr
3 points2020-01-16 01:55
Two more, same book:
Anuruddha went on to speak of a class of deities called the radiant gods.
He said that although they all belong to the same order, there are differences among
class of deities called the radiant gods.
them in their radiance, which may be limited or measureless, pure or tainted, in accordance with the different quality of the meditation that had caused their rebirth in that world. On being questioned by a monk, Anuruddha confirmed that he spoke about these deities from his own experience, as he had previously lived in their midst and conversed with them.
Once one of the Brahmā gods conceived the idea that no ascetic would be able to penetrate to the heights of the Brahma-world. When the Buddha perceived in his mind the thoughts of that deity, he appeared before him in a blaze of light. Just then four of his great disciples—the Venerables Mahāmoggallāna, Mahākassapa, Mahākappina, and Anuruddha —considered where the Blessed One might be dwelling, and with their divine eyes they saw him seated in the Brahma- world. Then, by their supernormal power, they too transported themselves to that heavenly world and sat down at a respectful distance from the Buddha. Seeing this, the deity was cured of his pride and acknowledged the superior power of the Buddha and his disciples.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-16 17:46
Uggg...
How come the Daoists describe the hierarchy of heaven differently?
How come sorcerers do the same?
Buddhist writings seem to consist of 3 things:
Real cool knowledge!!!!
Asian social order rules.
Sales pitches.
This is a sales pitch.
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u/tryerrr
2 points2020-01-16 02:00
On another occasion, many female deities called “the graceful ones” (manāpakāyikā devatā) appeared before Anuruddha and told him all the marvelous things they could do. They could instantly assume any color they wanted, produce any sound or voice at will, and obtain instantly any pleasure. To test them, Anuruddha mentally wished that they would become blue; and so, as they could read his thoughts, they became blue, with blue clothes and blue ornaments. When he wished them to change into other colors, they did so—yellow, red, and white, with matching clothes and ornaments. Now these female deities thought that Anuruddha was pleased with their presence, and they started to sing and dance very beautifully. But Anuruddha turned his senses away from them. When the deities noticed that Anuruddha did not find pleasure in their performance, they instantly left.
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u/dirgable_dirigible
3 points2020-01-16 03:46
These excerpts are great. Thanks for posting. I’ve noticed a lot of parallels in Buddhism and Toltec philosophy.
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u/tryerrr
2 points2020-01-16 15:08
Have one more, about inner silence, same book:
Nātaputta wanted to know whether Citta believed the Buddha’s statement that there is a state of concentration (samādhi) void of thought and examination (vitakka-vicāra). Citta answered that he did not believe there is such a thing, and Nātaputta, eager to enlist the renowned Citta in support of his views, was quite pleased with the reply. “Well said!” he exclaimed, and went on to expound his own belief that stilling the flow of thought would be as difficult as stopping the Ganges with one’s bare hands: “Impossible it is to make thought and examination cease,” he declared.
Nātaputta, however, had failed to catch Citta’s exact meaning. Citta now countered with a query: “What do you think is more excellent, venerable sir, belief or knowledge?” “Knowledge,” Nātaputta answered. Thereupon Citta explained that he himself had experienced all the jhānas, of which the last three are actually without thought and examination. Hence for him it was no longer a matter of belief but of knowledge from direct experience that the Buddha’s statement was correct.
(And later on it says Citta was not actually even a monk! Householder=non-ascetic civilian)
Nātaputta’s chagrin must have been increased by the fact that whereas he himself had been for so long a practitioner of extreme asceticism, Citta was still living the household life.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-16 17:50
Inorganic beings.
This isn't difficult to learn. That's how I was able to make myself a Fairy.
She tried to visit last night, but Cholita was too close.
I heard Cholita shouting angrily in her bedroom, while I was trying to coax the fairy into assuming solid form.
She was flat. Meaning, she was just a hypnogogic image, but with a tiny bit of inorganic controlling it.
I snuck to my bedroom door and opened it, to look down the hallway and see why Cholita was shouting.
She was listening to a video about paranormal events, in particular, telekinesis. The announcer was saying, there's a deep prejudice among people against telekinesis. If you tell someone, they'll call you a liar.
He said that from his many years of being called a liar, he learned to turn the tables. Tell them, just because you're ignorant doesn't mean something doesn't happen. Come back and talk to me when you see this for yourself!
Cholita growled in response to that. Something crashed to the floor.
There was a tiny bit of light in that hallway between our bedrooms. I can't keep it fully dark in the entire house, with Cholita around. She won't allow it.
I saw black and white fibers and worms flowing from Cholita's bedroom. Patches of red color would burn into them from time to time.
That's virtually how the second attention's energy body looks in daylight, minus the red patches.
That's why I can't keep the inorganics around anymore. Cholita has what they like best.
I've got jelly beans. Cholita herself is a candy shop.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2020-01-16 20:16
That's why I can't keep the inorganics around anymore. Cholita has what they like best.
I've got jelly beans. Cholita herself is a candy shop.
Nice to finally have direct perceptual confirmation of her status as an "inorganic magnet," and not a "inorganic repeller;" and why she was valuable to Carlos's goals.
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u/danl999
2 points2020-01-16 23:34
She talks to them all the time. I can hear her saying stuff like, "Oh, you think so?"
I believe she's run off again. Came home only one day. But I won't find out until I get home.
When she's gone, I can drink 3 bottles of wine. So it's kind of nice.
When she's here, I have to worry she'll bang on the door at 10PM and ask to go to the market.
You don't say no to Cholita, if you know what's good for you. Her witchcraft spells turn dark.
When she's not angry, there's underwear in some of the spells.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2020-01-16 19:40
female deities thought that Anuruddha was pleased with their presence, and they started to sing and dance very beautifully. But Anuruddha turned his senses away from them. When the deities noticed that Anuruddha did not find pleasure in their performance, they instantly left.
Sure sounds like inorganic beings to me! Right down to changing form and being drawn to human attention and interaction. Even the fact that they were female, when most of the inorganics are said to be female.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-16 18:03
NO, they can't harm you. But they can scare the shit out of you, and make you run and hurt yourself.
If you're mentally ill, they can stick to you like flies. But that kind of mental illness would manufacture non-existant hidden enemies, so in my opinion, you're better off with real creatures bothering you, than imagined ones.
At least the real ones will try to teach you to do more.
How to capture one? Hypnogogic images!
They can show up on the colors. Just expect them. But you have to be seeing puffs of color floating around.
I heard a humorous radio ad where some guy bought the wrong auto insurance, and when he realized it, he was "seeing color splotches".
So it's common knowledge that this can happen.
Expect a face, and don't be too picky. A have a nice day kind of face is fine for the first one. Just 2 eyes and a weird mouth. They can be just dark depressions only "hinting" at a face, the way clouds can look like rabbits.
It'll return, once you "notice" it. And this time, a real hypnogogic face. It happens because the brain realizes you recognized something, and tries to help out by filling in more details.
Reach up and cuddle it with your hand. Welcome it!
Keep doing that, looking all around the room for more. High, low, twist the spine gently to look behind you. Lean back a bit.
Any time you see one, welcome it to sit in your hand.
If it's the opposite sex of you, tell it how pretty or handsome it is.
This is all a trick of course. By telling you to scoop it, I'm actually motivating you to focus all of your attention on them.
That further reduces the internal dialogue, because each time you're commanded to take an inventory again, your eyes will be watching something coming from the second attention.
Your internal dialogue won't resume as easily. It's hard to fuss in your mind over Aunt Ethel's stupid bullying the last time you saw her, when you're watching magic float in the air!
If you watch ANYTHING coming from the second attention, in silence, your assemblage point will drift towards heightened awareness.
As it drifts, energy is released, and the hypnogogic images will be taken over by any available inorganic being. Trust me, there's plenty to go around.
They aren't as powerful as Carlos allies, but that's a good thing.
5 year olds should get toy guns, not real shotguns.
Now, two or three minutes is the amount of silence needed, to start to see color splotches or lines of light. And be sure to check all flat surfaces.
I'm talking dark room here. It can work in semi-dark, but it'll be a lot harder.
And it takes 2 hours more of silence, before they become super bright and vivid.
That's why you hear the witches (Taisha and Flo) saying you need 2 minutes of silence, or maybe 2 hours.
The 2 minutes is how much time to loosen the assemblage point.
The 2 hours is how much time for it to drift somewhere useful, namely, heightened awareness.
Once you're good at doing that, you can quickly interest the inorganic beings by doing that tensegrity where you scoop the colors into your hand, and place them on your liver, kidney, the area between your belly button and your crotch, 4 inches to the right.
That energizes your second attention body. You'll be able to actually see it!
That's what they're after. The "AHHH!!!"
Or goosebumps. They love those too.
Here's a "combo" tensegrity technique.
The 2nd dreaming pass from the Westwood series, in Carlos' book.
You push the palms down front and back, stiffen the legs, and look behind you.
It redeploys energy from the back to the front.
If you can't see a purple haze in the room, forget it. This won't work.
But if you can, you'll notice that doing that produces a vague flow from back to front, especially propelled by the tension in hands and legs.
When you return to the front, look down at waist level, and you'll find a purple patch of light has gotten stronger there.
Wait in silence, and a hypnogogic image or dreaming scene will appear there.
Do it again.
But this time, don't look there. Look all around the room, until you find out where it's materialized. If it doesn't, do mashing energy until you can see a flurry of activity there, and try again.
You're no longer scooping clouds of light. You're scooping dreaming scenes onto your body.
Result?
I have no idea. Cholita interrupted me with crashing sounds from her bedroom, the last time I did that.
But you'll probably find your hands in dreaming that night.
You just consciously played with dreams, fully lucid. It remains for a night.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2020-01-16 20:38
As it drifts, energy is released, and the hypnogogic images will be taken over by any available inorganic being. Trust me, there's plenty to go around.
They aren't as powerful as Carlos allies, but that's a good thing.
5 year olds should get toy guns, not real shotguns.
Low Energy Inorganic = can't pull you farther than you can handle at the beginning.
Boy, really empathize with what Carlos went through with his early blitzkrieg exposure!
High, low, twist the spine gently to look behind you. Lean back a bit.
So if I create the energy your talking about and begin doing things you advise can I bring them beings them exact type back to me
No, you probably won't get the exact same type, unless you go back to that spot.
But if you go back there a few times, and state your intent to interact with them, they might remember that and show up when you practice silence.
Still, they won't look the same. They have no real appearance. We add that ourselves.
Check out the Buddhist writings posted today, where a master encounters 4 beautiful women who offer to appear any way he wants.
On their own, they're just a collection of little lights no one would notice. Or in the case of Carlos' allies, a bar of light, quite substantial and bright.
So if I create the energy your talking about and...
It'll work if you put in the time. If you're talking mindfulness, that's Zen.
Zen works, but it's a horribly slow path. They like to collect as many donations and free workers as they can, so they don't tell you the direct path.
If they did, they'd be out of business in a year, and no one would have passed on "Zen".
They have to slow you down, just to exist.
I confronted Joshu Sasaki, a famous LA Zen master, with that issue.
He couldn't answer it other than to imply his beautiful ceremonies were worth seeing.
But with Zen, you probably won't even make it. It's too confused. And there's too much hazing, to make you into a bitter guy who won't talk to others about what you do.
Except western Zen. Some of that is really clear.
Unfortunately, nearly everyone doing Zen will tell you to ignore the little man standing on your hand. Even the westernized Zen masters.
Here's Zen master Shinzen Young ignoring magic and saying it's for philosophers to worry about.
Jesus Christ!
Don't ignore the little man standing on your hand!!!!!!
That's what we need in life. Magic regulates your body, naturally producing more happiness chemicals.
No magic = dead end life. Decay into sadness, self-pity, and disappointment.
Look around! I guess you have to be old to notice it, but no one made the "happily ever after" work.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-17 18:51
Zen is probably the closest to what we do. It's a Japanese form of Buddhism, and the Japanese are very efficient.
Much of the time, they don't even teach a meditation technique. You just sit and do whatever you're going to do.
And then go rake the courtyard.
Zen wouldn’t perpetuate if they were honest about what it is. They have to keep everyone puzzled, to maximize temple donations and free labor.
They never get around to saying what the westernized Zen masters say.
Just shut off that internal dialogue!
My favorite form of Buddhism however, is now Dzogchen. They have some really cool weird explanations for things.
And Hinduism is also nice. They sort of lull themselves into other worlds.
But you ask what is my purpose?
Same as everyone else.
Women, alcohol, coffee, cash, fine dining.
Did I mention women?
Don’t confuse sorcery with faith.
It’s just something you can learn. You don’t have to give up your religion.
Why learn it?
We’re missing our second half: magic. We can never be really happy, without magic.
Last night I was continuing to try to copy what Kylo Ren and Rey did, in “The Last Jedi”.
They could open up a channel in the ether, producing a tunnel between themselves through which they could communicate like a video chat.
There’s a wacky cult in Europe that could be lured in, if someone could show them how to copy Jedi powers.
Those are all based on Carlos’ books.
While trying that, facing various directions in my pitch-black bedroom, hoping to connect to Cholita, I noticed a familiar face.
It wasn’t Cholita.
It appeared to be the Fairy entity I’d lost to her.
But it was still flat. Still just a hypnogogic image on a puff of purple light.
I complained to her that she can’t walk across my bed while flat.
She proved me wrong! She assumed full size.
It was a young woman with my Fairy’s face, around 5 feet tall, covered in the kind of robes you’d use to protect yourself from a harsh environment.
(Like Cholita).
She had round wielding glasses resting on her forehead, as if she occasionally needed to look into something that was too bright. But her eyes were fully visible, and quite pleasant to see. She was smiling.
She walked right across the bed, still flat. Except that her feet were touching the floor, below my bed.
She vanished, and I went back to trying to connect to Cholita for a conference call, as in that movie.
I haven’t got the hang of it yet, and was puzzled to see that the best results did not come from looking in the direction of her bedroom.
So I scanned the entire room.
The act of looking at the entire room for details, caused another place to materialize all around me.
I realized, that’s how “the wall” assembles other worlds!
You surround yourself with it, and then when you look around to see what's going on, you've set up the intent of “being somewhere”.
As I looked at the details, I saw a painting hanging on the wall.
My walls are bare.
It was a painting of a horse cart rotting away in a clearing in the woods.
Everywhere else in my room was also the inside of someone else’s bedroom.
There was decorative wall paper like you might imagine an old house in Iowa would have.
Some antique furniture also, which was not confined to the wall.
I was in someone else’s bedroom, fully awake, with my eyes open!
Isn’t that cool enough to pursue without having to have a purpose?
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u/danl999
3 points2020-01-17 19:44
So youre saying that your life is fulfilled
No! You're still thinking religion.
But it's ok. If you want to be part of the Jedi religion, and also have their super powers, that's fine by me.
But I'm with Luke. It's time to end the Jedi!
No more impeccable warrior mood. That didn't work out so well for the disciples.
Except maybe we don't have to burn Carlos' books.
Perhaps this is what don Juan meant when he said, Carlos was only capable of ending, not continuing, their lineage.
Your idea of going into the forest would work, but it might take more times than you'd care to pursue.
That's called, "vision questing".
Sex in a dream is not lost focus. It's likely you got noticed by a scout.
I'd say that depends on how long the sex lasted.
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u/dazz123d
1 points2020-01-17 19:59
I might be saying words that sound like oh religion but I dont follow any religion persay I live by truth what I believe is right or wrong my own principles core beliefs I have a higher power of my own understanding. Religion isnt something that plays an active role in my life .
I think the act of sharing your food with a hungry stranger will do far more good than a thousand people in.a room praying with hearts full of darkness and souls full of deceit and pride they all leave that room just as dark.and miserable as they went in some may have grasped at a tiny ember of hope but someone will drench it.
Im black and white depending on the day really and how grounded I am but im a man of action and if I can learn to permanently or even temporarily switch of the internal voices that try control it all I believe I could achieve great things and do great things.
A scout can you explain that to me can they be a threat?
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u/danl999
2 points2020-01-17 21:36
I guess they could kidnap you and take you physically to their world.
But the only account of that in Carlos' books was when Elias offered 2 of his students to them by putting them into a box, and didn't realize they'd take them physically.
Otherwise, no. They only want to be friends.
Except that if you're afraid, they'll be scary.
A scout in dreaming is an inorganic being showing up in your dream, to feast on your emotional reaction to their presence.
They don't care what kind of emotion.
Some inorganics "specialize" in liking waking energy, or dreaming energy.
Carlos' 2 allies seem to behave that way.
But we'll know more if Cholita manages to pass them on to others.
My reactions to inorganics are not typical. For instance, I'd risk being bodily taken to their world.
Why not?
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u/dazz123d
1 points2020-01-18 00:33
Well yes if the opportunity was to unfold how could a person say no and simply walk away seing there world would be incredible.im grtting sleepy the last hour so im going to put the phone out and be in complete blackness I need to focos and not get hit by a scout and forget what I want to do tonight while astral projecting. ..
But if theese basicly feed of us and our energies do they need us to survive so why wouldnt they be taking us more regularly .?
Who is cholita?
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u/danl999
2 points2020-01-18 18:23
No, they don't need us.
They like us, the same way we like them.
Think of them more like a cat, than a dog.
Dogs need humans to survive. On their own, they'd bite the dust pretty fast.
Cats can survive. But they like to come hang out with us once in a while, the same way we like them to show up.
Just don't expect them to do the trick on demand. Inorganic beings are the same way. Getting them to do what you want is very difficult. They have to be coaxed, they can't be forced.
I tried to get Cholita to move something on the table for a bar tender, but she played dumb.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2020-01-17 20:27
That's what we need in life. Magic regulates your body, naturally producing more happiness chemicals.
It's partly the Serotonin vs. Dopamine problem I summarized here:
While Cholita was running north on that metrorail, I didn't get enough time in silence in the dark. I was too busy with her. And worried too.
I didn't reach heightened awareness for several days.
When I finally got enough time to return there (4 hours), I realized.
Being normal sucks big time!
Heightened awareness is the same thing as enlightenment, so it's blissful.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2020-01-11 22:39
The O.P.'s assemblage point shifted, the white flash and loud sound being the indicators, and that's why he can't remember what happened during those few hours.
Kundalini practitioners report similar sensations when entering what we here call heightened awareness.
In the O.P's case, the panic of their initial contact with the inorganic shifted their perception even further.
They're both shifts in perception, and specific techniques are usually required to remember what's experienced in those states/positions. Like a specific gesture (u/danl999 's thumbs up) etc., and fluidity of perception.
Good thing Castaneda did his work and we're all here then!
I pity those who have to fall back on secret government tech stories for their desperate grasping non-explanations.
But the government is usually 20 years or more ahead in tech, so it's not without intriguing but usually more mundane secrets.
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u/jd198703
1 points2020-01-11 23:05
Did you experience heightened awareness yourself?
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
3 points2020-01-11 23:18
I've written about a few of my breakthrough experiences over the years on this subreddit. My first state similar to a Nagualist Heightened Awareness happened at 19, after an hours-long Zen practice.
Some esoteric momentum from that early shift stayed with me through the years.
Everytime we experience something from the second attention, we're nibbling away at the barriers that prevent us from doing so more reliably and intentionally.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
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We here experience things like you did repeatedly, and some have reached the point where they can do so on demand (sort of!) and in a controlled manner.
Don't mistake arrogance for familiarity born from direct experience, and a hell of a lot of work.
My pity is not for you, specifically, but the systems in Western society that disempower people and force them to disregard contact with the unknown.
You are, in fact, very lucky! Your experience is definitely a standout!
Nothing is absolutely certain, explanation wise. Just degrees of probability. I choose the one that can lead to personal power, instead of mass paranoia and conspiracy. I don't care for that mood.
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2 points2020-01-13 13:26recovered
I don't experience anything but I'm content with how this turned out. My hunch was right. Good for me.
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1 points2020-01-18 15:51
The concept of the assemblage point is unique to the Toltec lineage, as far as I know. Impossible to know if it is their intent to perceive it as such or if it would be such whether anyone ever saw it or not.
It's where our perception is assembled. Out of the infinite number of emanations/strands that are the basis of all existence when seen, a limited selection of them are assembled together at a point in our luminous shell...our energy structure, the most fundamental view a seer can perceive when observing others.
Shift it to different positions in the shell and our view of the universe changes; our reality shifts. Small changes in position create subtle perceptual affects, large changes will shift us to an entirely different reality.
Actual pre-existing dimensions.
There are also positions where one becomes something else, be it an animal or other inconceivable forms. Skinwalkers being the most mainstream example.
And the inorganics also give us energy, or rather a boost to our own energy, to shift the assemblage point. Priceless when you consider the extremes the old Sorcerer's went to to shift it themselves.
We're a sealed unit anyways, and nothing can really be removed from inside, energy-wise, just tied up in inaccessible or useless areas of the luminous shell. Solidified and immobile.
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u/[deleted]
2 points2020-01-13 13:24recovered
I knew the information would be helpful.
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u/dazz123d
2 points2020-01-13 15:59
Thank you and I hope I can ask you some questions soon if that would be ok with you I just ask for honesty and tranclucency along with understanding I might not understand the lingo so to the speak but I want answers I will not stop looking and I feel I am on the track of something I am suppose to be and hope truly I have found a group of people that care enough about others even strangers to share things that might help .yes im fiery and I speak my mind but im honest and a good man and would appreciate your help and hope by the end of this even if we find its not this we might have developed a friendship if not the answers I truly seek let me know if that can or would be something you would have time to help me with thanks again
Darren
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u/[deleted]
1 points2020-01-13 16:14recovered
I'm genuinely happy for you, this is the right place if you want to learn more. You can ask anything, everyone here is willing to help. I hope this experience brings amazing things for you!
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Sure, you can message me.
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u/dazz123d
2 points2020-01-16 12:41
Thanks everyone for the advice and info here but I must admit I dont understand so much of what is being said .
I guess some parts of the practices ye take part in are the same or parralell to ones I take part in. Meditation mindfulness raiki taekwondo tai chi and much more .
My life has consisted of journeys of my self and finding my truth before achieving my belts.
I have learned to be silent in the loudest of environments and still be in tune to my being and hear my own heart beat when it slows or speeds up .
I cant help but feel like this in some way runs along side some of your teachings and could somehow overlap or intertwine accidently .
I was in a relationship with someone who was obsessed with sourcery and all things like so but I felt his energy was all wrong and we could not allign spiritually for some reason so I left and at the time none of this stuff was the reason but now looking back maybe it was.
I have met a healer and as he layed his hands over me he told me I had so much powerfull unchanelled energy and powerfull blocks all over my body that I needed to work on and direct.
It made no sense to me at the time
I still see colours in the dark like orbz floating mainly purples and oranges and sinse I was a kid I can play with them and move them and bring them to the tips of my fingers and flick them away and bring them back again.
I dont know if all of this sounds like maybe why the incident I experenced happened but I think I might of unknowingly called theese beings to me or maybe attracted them as I walked in silence in meditation and mindfulness through the woods and maybe I hit a place of power and channelled mine there or vice of versa If any of you think this is what happened what do I do from here and where do I go from here .
I dont want to unknowingly experience this again and if it does happen I want it to be on my terms and I want to be ready .
I heard people mention adopting or taming theese beings as friends how do I do that ?
Im fully capable of astral projection I dont know if thats what ye call it but I have been doing it sinse I was a kid getting into a lucid state is easy for me.
If anyone has any of theese answers or more advice that would be awesome and thanks for everything so far guys I am not as confused as I was and think im starting to get the answers I was looking for
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Sounds like a classic inorganic being encounter.
I've seen them manifest as many as 5 copies of themselves, in various shapes.
The weird effects are the assemblage point moving, and the second attention coming out to fill in missing details.
The only thing that's odd here is what triggered it, when you hadn't been practicing sorcery.
But inorganic beings play with everyone, all the time. Mostly we're only aware of them in dreams.
On the other hand, it could be aliens. The old sorcerers can tell you, despite sorcery knowledge, aliens can come along and wipe you out.
The spanish did that to them.
Oh that's not mine, I told OP to post it here but he didn't so I had to. It made me think of the description of the allies from one of the early books and it sounded like the assemblage point movement.
I was thinking more about it last night.
There's something about going into the wilderness, or at least somewhere with no people and lots of plants.
People go "vision questing", even when they haven't learned to be silent.
And Carlos' early encounters with inorganics were outside.
I'm not sure what it means, but the situation can move the assemblage point. Then when the person has some kind of "surprise" reaction, to whatever they perceive, that's what attracts inorganic beings.
The energy released by the sudden emotion.
Of course, there are most surely aliens out there, so that can't ever be ruled out.
And the belief in those tends to color people's experiences, to match that.
I also got the idea that it might have been a place of power. And the circumstances aligned for him to experience that.
That's certainly possible!
You just made me realize, Carlos gave us a technique for finding power spots. It seems to be designed to find inorganic beings, but since they can show up where ever you are, it has to have another purpose.
You wave your hand across the ground, palm down, and slowly. If you feel warmth, you run in that direction and repeat.
If you don't feel warmth, you turn 180 and do it in that direction.
I can't remember what you do if both don't work, but likely you run a random direction.
The way this works is, it brings out the second attention in the person doing the technique, that releases new energy, and hopefully you're silent enough to precieve the results.
I can't let go of the feeling that those could've been the flyers. And thanks for the technique, it seems simple enough. But aren't those spots rare?
I don't know. There's so much to try, I never got in to power spots.
Carlos stood me on one in his home, but I didn't feel anything.
It was when he gave me that half of a pear to tell me, using Chinese symbology, that he was dying for sure.
Kind of sad now that I think of it...
On the other hand, it was covered in that Mexican Crema stuff.
With Carlos telling Ellis his sperm is magical (that's actually true), I worry a bit about the Crema.
I just can't figure out which possibility I'm more worried about.
Did or didn't?
Cholita worries about that constantly. She won't let me touch any food or water she's going to consume.
It's come to be a joke. I just tell her, no sperm this time. I ran out.
It was hard for me to believe he actually died.
He made sure I was here to tell you.
He died.
He even complained to me in private that no one believed he was dying.
But I guess death isn't as bad for a sorcerer as for an ordinary person. They still have a chance to remain aware.
If he was such a great sorcerer, how could he die of cancer though? That's hard to understand.
Old age gets everyone in the end. Cholita will outlive me.
I wonder who's gonna take care of her then.
She's eligible for social security disability, for the rest of her life.
It's enough to live like a king in mexico. Enough to get by here, outside the expensive areas like LA.
But she won't sign any papers saying she's not sane.
Even if she did have the money. I know you don't control her, but she can count on you and has a place to come back to. But when you're gone...
She's only got a 50/50 chance of living.
She leaves day planners around.
The last one had a series of paranoid observations for several pages, concluding at the end, "Most likely I die."
About the only place such a person can find a good home is with sorcerers.
No one can put up with a full blown paranoid schizophrenic. They're famous for causing nervous breakdowns in caretakers.
For instance, sitting at a bar, she decided to explain to the bartender that I couldn't get an erection.
They think of the worst thing to do, and do it. But being a stalker type, I found it fun.
I explained that I only like 22 year olds.
Aside from fun stalking possibilities, I've noticed that each time she runs away and comes back her witchcraft has gotten stronger.
I get gifts when she returns.
She truly behaves like one of Carlos' "scouts".
In light of her behavior, I think it's understandable what happened to the Blue Scout.
I asked Cholita about the blue scout. All she would say was, "She sure was different."
Then she began to laugh, like she remembered a very funny story regarding the blue scout.
I was waiting for her to explain, but she went catatonic.
He died. But that wasn't the end of it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/bf8sp9/martin_goodmans_i_was_carlos_castaneda_the/
And the additional content here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/dqnvot/redeploying_energy_from_the_periphery_of_the/f9652zb
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Inorganic being:
It has eyes, a mouth. Or maybe not, but it's clearly a "being". In front of you. It's intelligent, you can feel it. Although, it's a weird kind of alien intelligence.
It has no organic body.
It's an "inorganic being".
People who read Carlos' books get the wrong impression about them, because the earlier books were basically tricks to capture Carlos' attention.
Ringing in ears? That happens when the assemblage point moves very far. Unless you have it all the time.
Mine pop to. My assemblage point will shift because I'm watching colors or inorganic beings in darkness, I'll start to feel the bliss of meditation, the colors in the darkness will intensify, and then suddenly my ears start clicking. Or I hear very high frequency sounds.
Last night, one of the inorganic beings I'm trying to tame even whistled for me. Just once.
Don't be afraid of those beings! They make wonderful friends, if you can overcome your fear.
Unless of course, those really were aliens. But in that case, wouldn't it be kind of cool to be abducted?
I never understand why people are afraid of the supernatural.
Try to remember this: When you perceive something that should not be there, it releases energy.
This can be felt as goosebumps, becoming light headed, or more commonly, fear.
It's not fear. It's energy. But fear can move the assemblage point, and release the same kind of energy.
So we associate this energy with fear, when in fact there's no such association.
That energy is like a magnet for inorganic beings, who like to move in close, to get the warmth.
And if you were frightened, they play that up to get more.
But if you greet them as if they were very good friends, they react that way instead.
Like Pixar/Jobs’ Monsters Inc..?
Yea, I never thought of that.
And I might as well add this somewhere.
Star Wars has gone even deeper into Carlos. I watched the last Jedi last night and noticed many things.
I wish I could remember all of them.
Luke has Rey sit on a large altar to experiment with her powers (the second attention).
At one point he wants her to stop doing something and concentrate, so he pushes her hand down on some small sharp rocks, the same way Zuleica had Carlos sit on small sharp rocks, to keep him at his task.
Snoke tells Kylo Ren that he knows his every "intent", so he can't do anything behind his back.
Rey is able to view Kylo at a distance, and he connects to her similiar to what Cholita and I have done lately.
Eventually they open a portal, and can teleport to the other's location.
They didn't do that in the originals!
There's a bunch more, but anyone can watch it and find the things.
Hollywood was heavily in to Carlos. The witches even gave a lecture at Sony, and Carlos was approached to put his books to movie.
I expect they'll even incorporate some of what they read in here, in future movies.
They did that with "Inception". It's taken right from Sustained Action.
Bruce owns the movie rights now. Carlos used to joke that he'd like to make a movie, but he wanted Robert Redford to play him (Carlos likely met Robert out at Morongo. Carlos also joked he was against Anthony Quinn for don Juan.
And the new one "Rise of Skywalker," the last of the saga, goes deeper yet! I liked it, in opposition to the film critics.
In one scene Kylo Ren, while essentially dreaming awake, grabs a necklace Rey was wearing and physically pulls it back to his location on the other side of the Galaxy.
And there's a ton of second attention perception throughout it.
I'm convinced you could actually do that!
So far I've only snatched inorganic beings from elsewhere.
(Kidnapped one last night.)
But if I get offered solid objects, I'm going to test the nagual Elias' claim of having a collection of alien objects.
Imagine if you could grab their equivalent of a screw.
It's very basic technology, but they might have come up with a different idea.
Forgot about that. The books are so dense you can never hold onto everything. Lucky for us! To have found something so ripe with possibilities it's literally inexhaustible.
(sorry for the 'literally,' but in this case it's appropriate)
It's a good idea to remember what Carlos did. He banned us from reading the books.
And Carol Tiggs told the audience to stop asking questions about the books. They were nitpicking details of how things should happen.
She said something like, just let it happen to you the way it does for you.
You can get stuck on one thing from the books, and not realize Carlos pretty much admitted it could go differently in classes.
(That was for someone else.)
From “Great Disciples of the Buddha”:
The divine eye is the ability to see beyond the range of the physical eye, extending in Anuruddha’s case to a thousandfold world system. This faculty, which we will discuss more fully below, is of a mundane (lokiya) character, one whose acquisition does not necessarily entail that its possessor has gained realization of the Dhamma. Anuruddha attained the divine eye before he became an arahant, and to reach the heights he still had to overcome many inner obstacles. Three reports in the canon tell of his struggles.
The Buddha declared that when he was still striving for enlightenment he too had met the same difficulty but had discovered how to master it. He explained that to experience these subtle states in full and obtain a steady perception of them one should free oneself from eleven imperfections (upakkilesa). The first is uncertainty about the reality of these phenomena and the significance of the inner light, which might easily be taken for a sensory illusion. The second is inattention: one no longer directs one’s full attention to the inner light but disregards it, evaluating it as unremarkable or inessential. The third imperfection is lethargy and drowsiness; the fourth, anxiety and fright, which occurs when threatening images or thoughts arise from the subconscious. When these imperfections have been mastered, elation may arise, which excites body and mind. Such exultation is often a habitual reaction to any kind of success. When that elation has exhausted itself, one may feel emotionally drained and fall into inertia, a heavy passivity of mind. To overcome it, one makes a very strong effort, which may result in an excess of energy. On becoming aware of this excess, one relaxes and falls again into sluggish energy. In such a condition, when mindfulness is weak, strong longing may arise for desirable objects of the celestial or the human world, according to the focusing of the inner light which had been widened in its range. This longing will reach out to a great variety of objects and thus lead to another imperfection, a large diversity of perceptions, be it on the celestial or human plane. Having become dissatisfied with this great diversity of forms, one chooses to contemplate one of them, be it of a desirable or undesirable nature. Concentrating intensely on the chosen object will lead to the eleventh imperfection, the excessive meditating on these forms.
...(skipped Anuruddha asking how to overcome these, being led to reapply the 7 above, and Buddha noticing it)...
When the Buddha perceived in his own mind the thoughts that had arisen in Anuruddha’s mind, he appeared before him in a mind-made body (manomaya-kāya) and applauded him: “Good, Anuruddha, good! You have well considered seven thoughts of a great man. You may now also consider this eighth thought of a great man: ‘This Dhamma is for one who inclines to the non-diffuse, who delights in the non-diffuse; not for one
who inclines to worldly diffuseness and delights in it.’”
Wow im blown away by the level of insightfulness you people acquire woah
Man those Buddhists!
That reads like what you all will discover, once you can get silent.
When you get silent and stop being an asshole, and watch anything coming from the second attention, your assemblage point moves to heightened awareness.
That is what it feels like!
I was there a couple of years ago. It's just too much, so nothing is important.
It happens to dreamers at the second gate too.
Cholita can do that. I was playing with her for a good 15 minutes last night, in that mind-made body.
That one doesn't hate me with a passion, the way her worldly body does.
From same book “Great disciples of the Buddha”:
The divine eye (dibbacakkhu) is so called because it is similar to the vision of the devas, which is capable of seeing objects at remote distances, behind barriers, and in different dimensions
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The divine eye is developed by meditative power. It is not a distinct sense organ but a type of knowledge, yet a knowledge that exercises an ocular function. This faculty is aroused on the basis of the fourth jhāna, and specifically through one of the meditative supports called the light kasiṇa or the fire kasiṇa, a visualized circle of light or fire. After mastering the four jhānas through either of these kasiṇa, the meditator descends to a lower level of concentration called “access concentration” (upacāra-samādhi) and extends light to the immediately surrounding area, thereby bringing into view forms that are ordinarily imperceptible. As the meditator becomes progressively more adept in this ability to radiate light, he can then suffuse increasingly larger areas with light and project the radiance outwardly to distant world systems and to planes of existence above and below the human plane. This will reveal many dimensions of being that are inaccessible to the ordinary fleshly eye.
of existence.
The characteristic function of the divine eye, according to the texts, is the knowledge of the passing away and rebirth of beings (cutūpapātañāṇa). This knowledge was achieved by the Buddha on the night of his own Enlightenment and was always included by him in the complete step-by-step gradual training, where it appears as the second of the three true knowledges (tevijjā; see, for example, MN 27) and the fourth of the six superknowledges (chaḷabhiññā, see MN 6). By means of this faculty the meditator is able to see beings as they pass away from one form of existence and take rebirth elsewhere. But it is not only the actual passage from life to life that the divine eye reveals. With the appropriate determination it can also be used to discover the particular kamma that brought about rebirth into the new form of existence. In this application it is called the knowledge of faring on in accordance with one’s kamma (kammūpaga-ñāṇa). At its maximum efficiency the divine eye can illuminate the entire panorama of sentient existence—spread out over thousands of world systems and extending from the highest heavens to the lowest hells—revealing too the kammic laws that govern the process of rebirth. While only a supreme Buddha will have absolute mastery over this knowledge, disciples who have perfected the divine eye can perceive regions of the sentient universe that elude our most powerful telescopes.
The Venerable Anuruddha was designated by the Buddha as the foremost bhikkhu disciple endowed with the divine eye (etadaggaṁ dibbacakkhukānaṁ; AN 1; chap. 14). Once, when a number of eminent monks living together in the Gosiṅga sāla- tree forest exchanged views on the kind of monk that could beautify that forest, Anuruddha characteristically replied that it was one who, with the divine eye, could survey a thousand world systems, just as a man standing on a high tower could see a thousand farmsteads (MN 32). Anuruddha also helped his own pupils to acquire the divine eye (SN 14:15) and in his verses celebrates his skill in this faculty:
Absorbed in five-factored concentration, Peaceful, with a unified mind,
I had gained tranquillity
And my divine eye was purified.
Standing on the five-factored jhāna
I know the passing and rebirth of beings; I know their coming and their going, Their life in this world and beyond.
That's my main practice lately. I was inspired by The Last of the Jedi.
I knew that could be learned, but there wasn't any reason to. There's so much else to do.
But there's a "Jedi Religion" group in europe. If I could figure out how to do what the Jedi do, I might interest them in learning Carlos' techniques.
Cholita can do the levitation trick. Last night she was shouting angrily about it.
Possibly she couldn't get it to work again.
So when you do something, and tell someone, be prepared for them to misunderstand and semi-deify you.
Just because you did it once, doesn't mean you can easily do it again!
No one seems to get that. Don Juan was so perfect, they assume that's how it goes.
It doesn't!
Cholita did that for me.
I was playing with the colors using Tensegrity, but once Cholita moved in, a fog of light floated into the room, and to this day I can summon it, even when Cholita is gone.
Just focus on details in that light, and dream scenes emerge.
Or inorganic beings. The two are distinct in that the dreams animate at full speed, inorganic beings are sort of very low frame rate.
Also, the dreams don't notice you unless you bother them. The inorganics do nothing but notice you. They react to your reactions continuously.
You have to drop a demon into one of the dreams, to get a reaction there. Or go into it and get too close to them.
Buddhism attached itself to the intent of Hinduism, and interprets what it sees according to that.
We have a different intent.
Carlos used to make fun of the idea of re-incarnation all the time, saying, you become perfect for what???
That's a cruel joke if you learn to navigate. It's so weird and alien out there, that the idea of a human perfection seems absurd.
Not to mention, you see Buddhist masters sitting on thrones, taking gifts from hard working people who can't afford to spend all their time in protected isolation.
Perfect???
Perfect parasites perhaps.
WARNING!!!! Asian hazing there. Asian social order.
If you haven't spent time in Asia, with an honest guide, you can't understand that.
But to sum it up, the "thousand year old eggs" are not 1000 years old.
And most Zen masters are cruel to their wives.
Some even keep 15 year olds around, to fund the temple with bogus tea ceremony for wealthy businessmen. In Japan, perhaps all temples do that.
In Taiwan, it's confession booths outside the temple, run by the male children given to the temple to become gangsters. The women are desperate, and will go into a booth with you for money, not all of which they get.
In Burma, it's little boys.
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I'm more drawn to the Taoist "True Man" analogy. You can only ever be what you actually are, when all the external bits and corruptions are eliminated.
Basically the same as "Man of Knowledge" in Castaneda's canon.
Same book, interesting tidbit on wakeful dreaming?
In these verses Anuruddha refers to three of the ascetic practices—the going on alms round, the use of robes made from discarded rags, and the sitter’s practice. The last is the vow not to lie down but to sleep while sitting in the meditation posture. In his last verse Anuruddha implies that for twenty- five years he had not slept at all. Perhaps through the power of meditative absorption he was able to refresh his mind so fully that sleep had become unnecessary. But the commentary indicates that in the later part of his life Anuruddha allowed himself a short period of sleep to dispel physical fatigue.
If you go into heightened awareness, you are technically asleep according to don Juan.
I didn't sleep last night at all. I feel fine.
But that doesn't mean I didn't spend hours in dreaming.
Had an interesting one. I was in Cholita's workshop in the garage.
She converted a dusty and ugly garage filled with my junk, into a paradise art workshop (by throwing away all my stuff, and spending $20,000).
In the middle of the workshop, a woman materialized.
I thought I was awake. A woman materializing isn't such a big deal to me.
One of the neighbor children was making noise outside, so I opened the garage door and asked him, Can you see this woman in the red dress?
He replied, Sure! But she's wearing blue.
I was so elated, I had finally found out if other people can perceive manifestations of the second attention, as long as one of the people can see it clearly.
Then I got suspicious, looked at my hands, and my little fingers were missing.
Shit!
But it does prove, finding your hands can also be used to test if you are dreaming.
I understand this clearly, from our online conversations over the months. But it is still one of the most alien, to our socialization, statements you've made.
Someone just reading this, with no other knowledge, would find it incomprehensible.
Two more, same book:
Anuruddha went on to speak of a class of deities called the radiant gods.
He said that although they all belong to the same order, there are differences among
class of deities called the radiant gods.
them in their radiance, which may be limited or measureless, pure or tainted, in accordance with the different quality of the meditation that had caused their rebirth in that world. On being questioned by a monk, Anuruddha confirmed that he spoke about these deities from his own experience, as he had previously lived in their midst and conversed with them.
Once one of the Brahmā gods conceived the idea that no ascetic would be able to penetrate to the heights of the Brahma-world. When the Buddha perceived in his mind the thoughts of that deity, he appeared before him in a blaze of light. Just then four of his great disciples—the Venerables Mahāmoggallāna, Mahākassapa, Mahākappina, and Anuruddha —considered where the Blessed One might be dwelling, and with their divine eyes they saw him seated in the Brahma- world. Then, by their supernormal power, they too transported themselves to that heavenly world and sat down at a respectful distance from the Buddha. Seeing this, the deity was cured of his pride and acknowledged the superior power of the Buddha and his disciples.
Uggg...
How come the Daoists describe the hierarchy of heaven differently?
How come sorcerers do the same?
Buddhist writings seem to consist of 3 things:
Real cool knowledge!!!!
Asian social order rules.
Sales pitches.
This is a sales pitch.
On another occasion, many female deities called “the graceful ones” (manāpakāyikā devatā) appeared before Anuruddha and told him all the marvelous things they could do. They could instantly assume any color they wanted, produce any sound or voice at will, and obtain instantly any pleasure. To test them, Anuruddha mentally wished that they would become blue; and so, as they could read his thoughts, they became blue, with blue clothes and blue ornaments. When he wished them to change into other colors, they did so—yellow, red, and white, with matching clothes and ornaments. Now these female deities thought that Anuruddha was pleased with their presence, and they started to sing and dance very beautifully. But Anuruddha turned his senses away from them. When the deities noticed that Anuruddha did not find pleasure in their performance, they instantly left.
These excerpts are great. Thanks for posting. I’ve noticed a lot of parallels in Buddhism and Toltec philosophy.
Have one more, about inner silence, same book:
Nātaputta wanted to know whether Citta believed the Buddha’s statement that there is a state of concentration (samādhi) void of thought and examination (vitakka-vicāra). Citta answered that he did not believe there is such a thing, and Nātaputta, eager to enlist the renowned Citta in support of his views, was quite pleased with the reply. “Well said!” he exclaimed, and went on to expound his own belief that stilling the flow of thought would be as difficult as stopping the Ganges with one’s bare hands: “Impossible it is to make thought and examination cease,” he declared.
Nātaputta, however, had failed to catch Citta’s exact meaning. Citta now countered with a query: “What do you think is more excellent, venerable sir, belief or knowledge?” “Knowledge,” Nātaputta answered. Thereupon Citta explained that he himself had experienced all the jhānas, of which the last three are actually without thought and examination. Hence for him it was no longer a matter of belief but of knowledge from direct experience that the Buddha’s statement was correct.
(And later on it says Citta was not actually even a monk! Householder=non-ascetic civilian)
Nātaputta’s chagrin must have been increased by the fact that whereas he himself had been for so long a practitioner of extreme asceticism, Citta was still living the household life.
Inorganic beings.
This isn't difficult to learn. That's how I was able to make myself a Fairy.
She tried to visit last night, but Cholita was too close.
I heard Cholita shouting angrily in her bedroom, while I was trying to coax the fairy into assuming solid form.
She was flat. Meaning, she was just a hypnogogic image, but with a tiny bit of inorganic controlling it.
I snuck to my bedroom door and opened it, to look down the hallway and see why Cholita was shouting.
She was listening to a video about paranormal events, in particular, telekinesis. The announcer was saying, there's a deep prejudice among people against telekinesis. If you tell someone, they'll call you a liar.
He said that from his many years of being called a liar, he learned to turn the tables. Tell them, just because you're ignorant doesn't mean something doesn't happen. Come back and talk to me when you see this for yourself!
Cholita growled in response to that. Something crashed to the floor.
There was a tiny bit of light in that hallway between our bedrooms. I can't keep it fully dark in the entire house, with Cholita around. She won't allow it.
I saw black and white fibers and worms flowing from Cholita's bedroom. Patches of red color would burn into them from time to time.
That's virtually how the second attention's energy body looks in daylight, minus the red patches.
That's why I can't keep the inorganics around anymore. Cholita has what they like best.
I've got jelly beans. Cholita herself is a candy shop.
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Nice to finally have direct perceptual confirmation of her status as an "inorganic magnet," and not a "inorganic repeller;" and why she was valuable to Carlos's goals.
She talks to them all the time. I can hear her saying stuff like, "Oh, you think so?"
I believe she's run off again. Came home only one day. But I won't find out until I get home.
When she's gone, I can drink 3 bottles of wine. So it's kind of nice.
When she's here, I have to worry she'll bang on the door at 10PM and ask to go to the market.
You don't say no to Cholita, if you know what's good for you. Her witchcraft spells turn dark.
When she's not angry, there's underwear in some of the spells.
Sure sounds like inorganic beings to me! Right down to changing form and being drawn to human attention and interaction. Even the fact that they were female, when most of the inorganics are said to be female.
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NO, they can't harm you. But they can scare the shit out of you, and make you run and hurt yourself.
If you're mentally ill, they can stick to you like flies. But that kind of mental illness would manufacture non-existant hidden enemies, so in my opinion, you're better off with real creatures bothering you, than imagined ones.
At least the real ones will try to teach you to do more.
How to capture one? Hypnogogic images!
They can show up on the colors. Just expect them. But you have to be seeing puffs of color floating around.
I heard a humorous radio ad where some guy bought the wrong auto insurance, and when he realized it, he was "seeing color splotches".
So it's common knowledge that this can happen.
Expect a face, and don't be too picky. A have a nice day kind of face is fine for the first one. Just 2 eyes and a weird mouth. They can be just dark depressions only "hinting" at a face, the way clouds can look like rabbits.
It'll return, once you "notice" it. And this time, a real hypnogogic face. It happens because the brain realizes you recognized something, and tries to help out by filling in more details.
Reach up and cuddle it with your hand. Welcome it!
Keep doing that, looking all around the room for more. High, low, twist the spine gently to look behind you. Lean back a bit.
Any time you see one, welcome it to sit in your hand.
If it's the opposite sex of you, tell it how pretty or handsome it is.
This is all a trick of course. By telling you to scoop it, I'm actually motivating you to focus all of your attention on them.
That further reduces the internal dialogue, because each time you're commanded to take an inventory again, your eyes will be watching something coming from the second attention.
Your internal dialogue won't resume as easily. It's hard to fuss in your mind over Aunt Ethel's stupid bullying the last time you saw her, when you're watching magic float in the air!
If you watch ANYTHING coming from the second attention, in silence, your assemblage point will drift towards heightened awareness.
As it drifts, energy is released, and the hypnogogic images will be taken over by any available inorganic being. Trust me, there's plenty to go around.
They aren't as powerful as Carlos allies, but that's a good thing.
5 year olds should get toy guns, not real shotguns.
Now, two or three minutes is the amount of silence needed, to start to see color splotches or lines of light. And be sure to check all flat surfaces.
I'm talking dark room here. It can work in semi-dark, but it'll be a lot harder.
And it takes 2 hours more of silence, before they become super bright and vivid.
That's why you hear the witches (Taisha and Flo) saying you need 2 minutes of silence, or maybe 2 hours.
The 2 minutes is how much time to loosen the assemblage point.
The 2 hours is how much time for it to drift somewhere useful, namely, heightened awareness.
Once you're good at doing that, you can quickly interest the inorganic beings by doing that tensegrity where you scoop the colors into your hand, and place them on your liver, kidney, the area between your belly button and your crotch, 4 inches to the right.
That energizes your second attention body. You'll be able to actually see it!
That's what they're after. The "AHHH!!!"
Or goosebumps. They love those too.
Here's a "combo" tensegrity technique.
The 2nd dreaming pass from the Westwood series, in Carlos' book.
You push the palms down front and back, stiffen the legs, and look behind you.
It redeploys energy from the back to the front.
If you can't see a purple haze in the room, forget it. This won't work.
But if you can, you'll notice that doing that produces a vague flow from back to front, especially propelled by the tension in hands and legs.
When you return to the front, look down at waist level, and you'll find a purple patch of light has gotten stronger there.
Wait in silence, and a hypnogogic image or dreaming scene will appear there.
Do it again.
But this time, don't look there. Look all around the room, until you find out where it's materialized. If it doesn't, do mashing energy until you can see a flurry of activity there, and try again.
You're no longer scooping clouds of light. You're scooping dreaming scenes onto your body.
Result?
I have no idea. Cholita interrupted me with crashing sounds from her bedroom, the last time I did that.
But you'll probably find your hands in dreaming that night.
You just consciously played with dreams, fully lucid. It remains for a night.
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Low Energy Inorganic = can't pull you farther than you can handle at the beginning.
Boy, really empathize with what Carlos went through with his early blitzkrieg exposure!
More on this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/dbyvug/zoltars_pandiculations/
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No, you probably won't get the exact same type, unless you go back to that spot.
But if you go back there a few times, and state your intent to interact with them, they might remember that and show up when you practice silence.
Still, they won't look the same. They have no real appearance. We add that ourselves.
Check out the Buddhist writings posted today, where a master encounters 4 beautiful women who offer to appear any way he wants.
On their own, they're just a collection of little lights no one would notice. Or in the case of Carlos' allies, a bar of light, quite substantial and bright.
It'll work if you put in the time. If you're talking mindfulness, that's Zen.
Zen works, but it's a horribly slow path. They like to collect as many donations and free workers as they can, so they don't tell you the direct path.
If they did, they'd be out of business in a year, and no one would have passed on "Zen".
They have to slow you down, just to exist.
I confronted Joshu Sasaki, a famous LA Zen master, with that issue.
He couldn't answer it other than to imply his beautiful ceremonies were worth seeing.
But with Zen, you probably won't even make it. It's too confused. And there's too much hazing, to make you into a bitter guy who won't talk to others about what you do.
Except western Zen. Some of that is really clear.
Unfortunately, nearly everyone doing Zen will tell you to ignore the little man standing on your hand. Even the westernized Zen masters.
Here's Zen master Shinzen Young ignoring magic and saying it's for philosophers to worry about.
Jesus Christ!
Don't ignore the little man standing on your hand!!!!!!
That's what we need in life. Magic regulates your body, naturally producing more happiness chemicals.
No magic = dead end life. Decay into sadness, self-pity, and disappointment.
Look around! I guess you have to be old to notice it, but no one made the "happily ever after" work.
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Zen is probably the closest to what we do. It's a Japanese form of Buddhism, and the Japanese are very efficient.
Much of the time, they don't even teach a meditation technique. You just sit and do whatever you're going to do.
And then go rake the courtyard.
Zen wouldn’t perpetuate if they were honest about what it is. They have to keep everyone puzzled, to maximize temple donations and free labor.
They never get around to saying what the westernized Zen masters say.
Just shut off that internal dialogue!
My favorite form of Buddhism however, is now Dzogchen. They have some really cool weird explanations for things.
And Hinduism is also nice. They sort of lull themselves into other worlds.
But you ask what is my purpose?
Same as everyone else.
Women, alcohol, coffee, cash, fine dining.
Did I mention women?
Don’t confuse sorcery with faith.
It’s just something you can learn. You don’t have to give up your religion.
Why learn it?
We’re missing our second half: magic. We can never be really happy, without magic.
Last night I was continuing to try to copy what Kylo Ren and Rey did, in “The Last Jedi”.
They could open up a channel in the ether, producing a tunnel between themselves through which they could communicate like a video chat.
There’s a wacky cult in Europe that could be lured in, if someone could show them how to copy Jedi powers.
Those are all based on Carlos’ books.
While trying that, facing various directions in my pitch-black bedroom, hoping to connect to Cholita, I noticed a familiar face.
It wasn’t Cholita.
It appeared to be the Fairy entity I’d lost to her.
But it was still flat. Still just a hypnogogic image on a puff of purple light.
I complained to her that she can’t walk across my bed while flat.
She proved me wrong! She assumed full size.
It was a young woman with my Fairy’s face, around 5 feet tall, covered in the kind of robes you’d use to protect yourself from a harsh environment.
(Like Cholita).
She had round wielding glasses resting on her forehead, as if she occasionally needed to look into something that was too bright. But her eyes were fully visible, and quite pleasant to see. She was smiling.
She walked right across the bed, still flat. Except that her feet were touching the floor, below my bed.
She vanished, and I went back to trying to connect to Cholita for a conference call, as in that movie.
I haven’t got the hang of it yet, and was puzzled to see that the best results did not come from looking in the direction of her bedroom.
So I scanned the entire room.
The act of looking at the entire room for details, caused another place to materialize all around me.
I realized, that’s how “the wall” assembles other worlds!
You surround yourself with it, and then when you look around to see what's going on, you've set up the intent of “being somewhere”.
As I looked at the details, I saw a painting hanging on the wall.
My walls are bare.
It was a painting of a horse cart rotting away in a clearing in the woods.
Everywhere else in my room was also the inside of someone else’s bedroom.
There was decorative wall paper like you might imagine an old house in Iowa would have.
Some antique furniture also, which was not confined to the wall.
I was in someone else’s bedroom, fully awake, with my eyes open!
Isn’t that cool enough to pursue without having to have a purpose?
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No! You're still thinking religion.
But it's ok. If you want to be part of the Jedi religion, and also have their super powers, that's fine by me.
But I'm with Luke. It's time to end the Jedi!
No more impeccable warrior mood. That didn't work out so well for the disciples.
Except maybe we don't have to burn Carlos' books.
Perhaps this is what don Juan meant when he said, Carlos was only capable of ending, not continuing, their lineage.
Your idea of going into the forest would work, but it might take more times than you'd care to pursue.
That's called, "vision questing".
Sex in a dream is not lost focus. It's likely you got noticed by a scout.
I'd say that depends on how long the sex lasted.
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I might be saying words that sound like oh religion but I dont follow any religion persay I live by truth what I believe is right or wrong my own principles core beliefs I have a higher power of my own understanding. Religion isnt something that plays an active role in my life .
I think the act of sharing your food with a hungry stranger will do far more good than a thousand people in.a room praying with hearts full of darkness and souls full of deceit and pride they all leave that room just as dark.and miserable as they went in some may have grasped at a tiny ember of hope but someone will drench it.
Im black and white depending on the day really and how grounded I am but im a man of action and if I can learn to permanently or even temporarily switch of the internal voices that try control it all I believe I could achieve great things and do great things.
A scout can you explain that to me can they be a threat?
I guess they could kidnap you and take you physically to their world.
But the only account of that in Carlos' books was when Elias offered 2 of his students to them by putting them into a box, and didn't realize they'd take them physically.
Otherwise, no. They only want to be friends.
Except that if you're afraid, they'll be scary.
A scout in dreaming is an inorganic being showing up in your dream, to feast on your emotional reaction to their presence.
They don't care what kind of emotion.
Some inorganics "specialize" in liking waking energy, or dreaming energy.
Carlos' 2 allies seem to behave that way.
But we'll know more if Cholita manages to pass them on to others.
My reactions to inorganics are not typical. For instance, I'd risk being bodily taken to their world.
Why not?
Well yes if the opportunity was to unfold how could a person say no and simply walk away seing there world would be incredible.im grtting sleepy the last hour so im going to put the phone out and be in complete blackness I need to focos and not get hit by a scout and forget what I want to do tonight while astral projecting. ..
But if theese basicly feed of us and our energies do they need us to survive so why wouldnt they be taking us more regularly .?
Who is cholita?
No, they don't need us.
They like us, the same way we like them.
Think of them more like a cat, than a dog.
Dogs need humans to survive. On their own, they'd bite the dust pretty fast.
Cats can survive. But they like to come hang out with us once in a while, the same way we like them to show up.
Just don't expect them to do the trick on demand. Inorganic beings are the same way. Getting them to do what you want is very difficult. They have to be coaxed, they can't be forced.
I tried to get Cholita to move something on the table for a bar tender, but she played dumb.
It's partly the Serotonin vs. Dopamine problem I summarized here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/egkz4l/how_to_pass_the_four_gates_of_dreaming/fc7gfbg
It's definately something.
While Cholita was running north on that metrorail, I didn't get enough time in silence in the dark. I was too busy with her. And worried too.
I didn't reach heightened awareness for several days.
When I finally got enough time to return there (4 hours), I realized.
Being normal sucks big time!
Heightened awareness is the same thing as enlightenment, so it's blissful.
The O.P.'s assemblage point shifted, the white flash and loud sound being the indicators, and that's why he can't remember what happened during those few hours.
Kundalini practitioners report similar sensations when entering what we here call heightened awareness.
In the O.P's case, the panic of their initial contact with the inorganic shifted their perception even further.
They're both shifts in perception, and specific techniques are usually required to remember what's experienced in those states/positions. Like a specific gesture (u/danl999 's thumbs up) etc., and fluidity of perception.
Good thing Castaneda did his work and we're all here then!
I pity those who have to fall back on secret government tech stories for their desperate grasping non-explanations.
But the government is usually 20 years or more ahead in tech, so it's not without intriguing but usually more mundane secrets.
Did you experience heightened awareness yourself?
I've written about a few of my breakthrough experiences over the years on this subreddit. My first state similar to a Nagualist Heightened Awareness happened at 19, after an hours-long Zen practice.
Some esoteric momentum from that early shift stayed with me through the years.
Everytime we experience something from the second attention, we're nibbling away at the barriers that prevent us from doing so more reliably and intentionally.
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We here experience things like you did repeatedly, and some have reached the point where they can do so on demand (sort of!) and in a controlled manner.
Don't mistake arrogance for familiarity born from direct experience, and a hell of a lot of work.
My pity is not for you, specifically, but the systems in Western society that disempower people and force them to disregard contact with the unknown.
You are, in fact, very lucky! Your experience is definitely a standout!
Nothing is absolutely certain, explanation wise. Just degrees of probability. I choose the one that can lead to personal power, instead of mass paranoia and conspiracy. I don't care for that mood.
I don't experience anything but I'm content with how this turned out. My hunch was right. Good for me.
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The concept of the assemblage point is unique to the Toltec lineage, as far as I know. Impossible to know if it is their intent to perceive it as such or if it would be such whether anyone ever saw it or not.
It's where our perception is assembled. Out of the infinite number of emanations/strands that are the basis of all existence when seen, a limited selection of them are assembled together at a point in our luminous shell...our energy structure, the most fundamental view a seer can perceive when observing others.
Shift it to different positions in the shell and our view of the universe changes; our reality shifts. Small changes in position create subtle perceptual affects, large changes will shift us to an entirely different reality.
Actual pre-existing dimensions.
There are also positions where one becomes something else, be it an animal or other inconceivable forms. Skinwalkers being the most mainstream example.
And the inorganics also give us energy, or rather a boost to our own energy, to shift the assemblage point. Priceless when you consider the extremes the old Sorcerer's went to to shift it themselves.
We're a sealed unit anyways, and nothing can really be removed from inside, energy-wise, just tied up in inaccessible or useless areas of the luminous shell. Solidified and immobile.
I knew the information would be helpful.
Thank you and I hope I can ask you some questions soon if that would be ok with you I just ask for honesty and tranclucency along with understanding I might not understand the lingo so to the speak but I want answers I will not stop looking and I feel I am on the track of something I am suppose to be and hope truly I have found a group of people that care enough about others even strangers to share things that might help .yes im fiery and I speak my mind but im honest and a good man and would appreciate your help and hope by the end of this even if we find its not this we might have developed a friendship if not the answers I truly seek let me know if that can or would be something you would have time to help me with thanks again
Darren
I'm genuinely happy for you, this is the right place if you want to learn more. You can ask anything, everyone here is willing to help. I hope this experience brings amazing things for you!
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Sure, you can message me.
Thanks everyone for the advice and info here but I must admit I dont understand so much of what is being said .
I guess some parts of the practices ye take part in are the same or parralell to ones I take part in. Meditation mindfulness raiki taekwondo tai chi and much more .
My life has consisted of journeys of my self and finding my truth before achieving my belts.
I have learned to be silent in the loudest of environments and still be in tune to my being and hear my own heart beat when it slows or speeds up .
I cant help but feel like this in some way runs along side some of your teachings and could somehow overlap or intertwine accidently .
I was in a relationship with someone who was obsessed with sourcery and all things like so but I felt his energy was all wrong and we could not allign spiritually for some reason so I left and at the time none of this stuff was the reason but now looking back maybe it was.
I have met a healer and as he layed his hands over me he told me I had so much powerfull unchanelled energy and powerfull blocks all over my body that I needed to work on and direct.
It made no sense to me at the time
I still see colours in the dark like orbz floating mainly purples and oranges and sinse I was a kid I can play with them and move them and bring them to the tips of my fingers and flick them away and bring them back again.
I dont know if all of this sounds like maybe why the incident I experenced happened but I think I might of unknowingly called theese beings to me or maybe attracted them as I walked in silence in meditation and mindfulness through the woods and maybe I hit a place of power and channelled mine there or vice of versa If any of you think this is what happened what do I do from here and where do I go from here .
I dont want to unknowingly experience this again and if it does happen I want it to be on my terms and I want to be ready .
I heard people mention adopting or taming theese beings as friends how do I do that ?
Im fully capable of astral projection I dont know if thats what ye call it but I have been doing it sinse I was a kid getting into a lucid state is easy for me.
If anyone has any of theese answers or more advice that would be awesome and thanks for everything so far guys I am not as confused as I was and think im starting to get the answers I was looking for