CARLOS CASTENADA AND THE DEATH DEFIER
Abridged From A Tensegrity Lecture (source unknown, no corrections)
"As part of don Juan's lore, the "Death Defier" was/is an entity who appeared
in 1725, who went to see the nagual Sebastian, who was a sexton for a church
in Tula. The nagual could work in the church and was safe there. He took
care of bells, and other property at the church. One day an old indian came to him and said, "I need your energy, or else I will denounce you as a
practitioner of the black arts..."
Of course with this, Sebastian was compelled to listen.
The indian wanted energy from only the nagual. We all have an umbilical,
the belly button ("the gap"). We all die from here, it's a deadly place, a
hole in the energy body from which life force escapes upon death. A nagual has twice the energy of a normal man, so the indian said that to give a minimal
amount would do him no harm.
This indian was actually a sorcerer from 7000 years ago, he lives today by
placing his assemblage point on different points, getting a "mortgage" on
life. He moves his assemblage point to a key position, which gives him an
insect-like quality. He then draws energy from the belly-button of the
nagual, and has a "sac" into which he pulls this energy. His assemblage
point then returns to the habitual position, then he's like everyone else.
He didn't need energy until 1725. Then, he became fixed to the lineage.
He gave in exchange for the nagual's energy, gifts of positions of the
assemblage point. Knowledge about how to attain these new positions, and
what to expect. Sebastion was extraordinary. He received 8 new positions
from this "death defier". Lujan got 52 positions! But this was not for
don Juan, he was not interested in the death defier's gifts, nor was I.
But he tapped me, he couldn't help it. Munched me to death, don Juan said.
I was willing to half-believe what don Juan was saying about the existance
of the death defier. Corn was found in Mexico which was carbon-14 dated to
34,000 years ago. The first migration into Mexico suposedly happened only
10,000 years ago, and were simple hunter/gatherers. But don Juan said this
was not true. He said, "we both have ways of measuring time; you measure,
while I...ask."
One day don Juan said he'd take me to see the death defier. No problem,
it's all horshshit, I thought. So he took me. Scared the living daylights
out of me. I met this Indian with the weirdest accent. The accent was on
all the wrong syllables. If a word had the accent on the first syllable,
he'd put it on the second. But he did it so consistently as to convince me
it was genuine.
The man was thin, wiry. He drove me nuts talking like that. He told me,
"My eyes have feasted themselves on the helmets of the Spanish conquerors.
I saw them, how they moved. I felt their discomfort, and felt how they had
to sleep with their helmets and armor on, I felt their pain. I've seen
incredible things. What do you want?"
"Nothing!", I replied.
"But we have an agreement. With you, it will be difficult, for you are the
last..." Of course, he somehow knew I was to be the last nagual in this
line, yet I myself didn't know it at the time. We met in a town in Mexico,
it was a Saturday. I ate cheese with him, it seemed very normal. We took a
walk. The next thing I knew I was waiting for don Juan to pick me up, and
I'd had no idea what had transpired. I left with a sensation, tremendously
old, musty, kind, foreign, unthreatening. This weird nostalgia. It's been
as if I'd been involved in a fight that had no end. This is the first time
I truly realized that there were things with no end...
I woke up in a peculiar town. There was a paved road, which sloped high in
the middle, a "1st gear" road. The first thing you see walking up this
hill is the hats of the mexicans on the other side. It was a peculiar
sensation, a "cinematic" one for me. So, I was watching that... (By the
way, don Juan found this town to be the epicenter of "energetic
convolutions".) I was waiting for don Juan with this sensation of
nostalgia, but not for my life or past, it was foreign. So old, sad, yet
charming, haunting. It's never left me, I'm always playing with that
sensation, the neverending fight, with no possibility of looking for a
lull. don Juan said it was poison that the death defier left me. It was
like being prone, being ready, as if something is coming. A foreign
feeling.
The next time I found the death defier, was at nearly the end of don Juan's
life. A small church in Tula - met a gorgeous woman. I had much fear at
the prospect, don Juan had to literally drag me to the church. There were
two women nearby, with 3 men coming out from the church. The 3 men went
down the stairs, and the two women went inside. "Where is he", I wondered
to don Juan, "the men left."
don Juan responded, "Who told you that the death defier is a man?" He
pointed to the woman in the last pew. don Juan emplored me to "cross"
myself, to observe the customs, and not to make a spectacle. The woman
turned and smiled. At this point I ran out of the church, falling prey to
a bout of asthma. I'd had asthma when I was a child...
don Juan asked me, "why this fear?"
My family name is Carlos Arana (pronounced "Arania"), and in portugese,
Arana means "spider". don Juan asked, "What's wrong, Mr. Spider?" The
more I walked away, the more tachycardia (irregular heartbeat condition)
acted up. Then I got insane and simply said to don Juan, "OK, lets go",
and went back to the church and sat next to the woman.
She had a raspy voice, as she greeted me and held my hand, "I like your
energy...muy bien." She took me to dreams upon dreams - 9 days I was lost,
although I thought it was one. don Juan told me that I'd came to
agreements that I'd not be aware of until I was "fully grown".
The death defier is as real as me or don Juan. A different, but bizarre
possibility which is available to us all, not that we'll take it. The
human unknown is as far away as anything, but it's still within our realm
of possibilities. Wow! Who are we?!
Are we just some travellers caught in some disgusting trap? Maybe. For
me, I saw the death defier and don Juan as navigators. I navigate,
therefore who are we? Why accept what's been handed down--nagging, senility,
discontentment, repetitiveness, with endless regrets--no desicions whatsoever.
"I decided to come to this seminar--if it's chicken-shit, then so be it."
That's the sorcerer's way. "Oh, I didn't get personal treatment..." People
come, at the first twist, they tell us to go "blow our barracks". We've
got to get rid of the ego, I say, but then it's, "Fuck you". We've got to
be as sharp as a razor, go slowly at first, then you can jump. Don't give
me this, "I volunteer for your group, take me, take me, I'll do whatever
you want..." Stop being an egomaniac, I say. "Oh, I'm so disappointed,
Carlos...no peyote in the desert?"
Last night I invited for you to read up on your "heritage" (writings of the
Bible, Jesus, Mohammed, etc), and look for the "me, me me". It's a man
talking for God. It can't be personalized. The minute it is, we inject
"me" into it What is heaven? Humanness for eternity? We don't want it!
What is the Pace of heaven? I'm in a toga, walking like this [walks
torturously slow for several steps]...
Then comes the death defier. An outstanding male of his time. The inorganic
beings are also blasted by flyers. There's nothing they'd like to do more than
to unite with us. But the only ones brave enough are the sorcerers, as beings
wanting to enhance their awareness. You profess to be who you are in their
realm, and they grab you! How else would they do it, as they have no way
of making themselves known. We are being systematically separated [from
the inorganic beings] by the flyers.
don Juan said that the inorganic beings were dangerous. The death defier got
grabbed by the inorganic beings, but he accepted the bidding. He spent thousands
of years in that world. One day this ultimate freedom fighter discovered the way
to escape. Turn into a woman! This is simple for a sorcerer. A woman has her
assemblage point with its "shiny" side facing inward, while a man's assemblage point
has its shiny side facing out. All one needs to do is to turn the assemblage point
around, and your whole body turns into something else. It's not merely an illusion.
As a woman the inorganic beings didn't know he existed, and he simply slipped by
without notice. In making a deal with the inorganic beings, he lost his possibilities. But now hes' caput. I'm the last of the line, so what will the death defier do? He'll go with me, I'm his last chance. It gives me the goose bumps.
Infinitely more exciting...
So, this death defier has escaped twice! First death itself, then the inorganic being world. I get emotional. What beauty/elegance. He chose not to be human,
but is still a being who's going to die. He knows only fighting, it's a
story, but NOT a story. He's everyone of us, but enhanced by his thirst
for freedom. I don't think the death defier truly knows what freedom is,
but so what? He goes to something not defined.
That's why I try to sneak out of it [talking about the death defier]. I
would weep like an imbucile. Don't you dare believe that I wouldn't...
END"
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Isn't this from the link I posted already under the workshop notes? Looks very familiar.
To be honest, I avoided this topic, due to many reasons. It is also covered in 7 and 9 books.
A little (or big) addition to this controversial story: http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/Carol%20Tiggs'%20speech%20at%20Tula.htm
Yes, someone posted sections of this and Dan discussed it on here quite a few months ago now. It's a good litmus test of just how judgemental and tethered to the non-sorcery world we all are.
Alien sensibilities, alien mindset...from a different time.
I actually composed my own little mantra in Na·hua·tl after reading that last stanza. Looked up the proper pronunciations for each word and everything:
"Can a nicuicanitl huiya
Xochitl in noyollo ya
nicmana nocuic a ohuaya ohuaya
o xoxpanxoco o xoxopanxoco"
Are you talking about the link I posted here? I didn't try this poem, because of pronunciation and in general even if I knew it, I would not.
If those forces really exist, my intent would be to stay away from those beings... And if they don't, it doesn't matter and do anything.
If don Juan is right, path of this being is a dead end..
Did we get enough of it? It's rather important.
A couple of private class women won't come talk here, because of the "shenanigans" Carlos and group were engaged in.
These notes show, the shenanigans are simply what sorcerers do. It's normal behavior.
I've got Cholita around to prove it.
Yesterday she decided maybe she's my nurse instead of my captive. She's happier with that idea.
Then she proceeded to describe in great detail, what nursely tasks she won't do.
It was even nastier than these notes on Carol Tiggs and the Death Defier.
I would suggest that the death defier was not a solitary being in regards to being the only one who escaped death through the borrowed energies of others.
While the death defier escaped death by becoming or living as an inorganic being the individual also existed for a undisclosed amount of time as a human after they transitioned.
I would suggest that the ancient Sorcerer’s used this trick a lot and the death defier was among many others who used this avenue to extend their awareness.
The death defier was simply the one who became known to the Nagual’s party.
I would suggest that this practice of using energy from others to sustain awareness is where myths of vampires originate. If a Sorcerer’s energy is used there would be a exchange ( knowledge ) if a normal person had their energy taken, they would die.
It all comes back to how far we've fallen and the memory of what what we used to be as a species, of what we were (and still are) capable of achieving...for good or ill.
Most myths have their basis in fact, mutated and obscured by thousands of years of retelling and cultural reinterpretations in this case.
If you even try to talk about it as being real at some point in the past, you're ridiculed as a laughing stock because the myth, vampires who suck blood, is more "real" than what actually took place in antiquity. And the vampire myth is whack, and juvenile...intentionally not believable, so we'll drop that line of thought unless we want to be ostracized and not taken seriously ourselves.
What a price to pay to function in modern society. Deny the reality of the past, in order to "live" in a degraded fantasy that keeps us weak and controllable. But then the Death Defier also lived in a "fantasy dream world" of their own design/intending.
But their's brought them power, ours doesn't.
This pass, described by u/danl999 back in August of 1995...almost bit the digital dust. My archived file wound-up being empty, and the reference URL never got saved on Archive.org. Wound-up being one single URL still online!
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/tensegrity/misc_tensegrity/death_defier
And here's the most bizarre thing.
It probably works...
Not always of course. Carlos was unable to jump grooves in the end, and never explained why.
But he had the inorganics picking on him too, so I suspect his energy was off.
In fact, helping us is likely why his energy was off. He made a conscious choice to expose himself to danger, in order to fulfill his task of passing the golden key to us.
This might be why he tried to collect 200 women (he only got 50). To fix his energetic situation.
From Cholita, I know now that men and women have a symbiotic relationship when it comes to sorcery.
Cholita's energy, just from having her nearby, allows me to do things I couldn't possibly have done on my own.
It's not that she loses anything. She's like a bathroom heater. They radiate heat, but they don't shrink because of it.
I just stuck that in for the women, who often get obsessed with the idea that their ex is an "energy vampire".
No, he wasn't! He just had a way of making your internal dialogue cause you energy loss.
> What is heaven? Humanness for eternity? We don't want it! What is the Pace of heaven? I'm in a toga, walking like this [walks torturously slow for several steps]...
Uhhhh....
Carlos. Did you ever actually study that religion?
Well, he told me to anyway. I did. In the kind of obsessive detail only an autistic person can muster.
First, it's obvious the "prophets" were sorcerers. Just study kabbalah if you don't believe it. The book of Abramelin even tells you how to get yourself some inorganic beings, and how to put them to use.
But as for the Jewish/Christian heaven, it's not like that at all.
This will be a shock to you church goers. Churches don't teach this. It's not good for donations. It upsets the old people.
Heaven is formed by draining the earth of all of the water, and putting it into orbit, like a giant blue pearl floating in the universe. The water causes the entire planet to glow with a bright white light that would burn anyone's eyes.
It's essentially a Dyson sphere, made from water. The earth is thereby protected from solar flares, can probably deflect meteors and comets, and screens out harmful ultraviolet radiation, which believe it or not, erodes the rocks on the top of the highest mountains.
You might be thinking, God can just zap it, so why would he need a Dyson sphere?
He likes to use reality. He doesn't like to zap things. He's that good.
Fact is, the entire place is a high tech paradise! I wouldn't be surprised if the Dyson sphere is indeed for collecting super amounts of energy to power the super high tech.
And while the light is blinding, we become inorganic and can't be harmed.
Sexes are gone. Doesn't bother me since I'm celibate, but if you're worried about it, keep in mind what happened to Job. Everything was taken away. But it was replaced with something even better.
The main city is a 15 mile cube, where each person who's ever lived could have an apartment at least one square mile in size.
Yes, it extends up into space!
People can choose where they live, which becomes anywhere on earth, including what's under the ocean right now.
And they still grow stuff, make stuff, and generally get to go on like now. There are animals there too, but they're all plant eaters.
There are no taxes.
There's a river flowing from the center of the giant city which carries water that can heal, and in case you get bored, there's some coca leaves growing on giant trees that have the water going down the middle, through an opening in their humongous trunks.
They don't specifically say coca leaves, but they prevent boredom. You tell me what kind of leaf prevents boredom?
There's also inter-dimensional space ships available. Joy riding even!
If there's a nasty negative, you have to visit the temple in the big city once a month (week?). And if you don't, you're banned for a while.
So there's still some shame.
On that visit, people surround God and stare into his "shekinah glory", which is a radiance God gives off, which pleases humans enormously. Even the Angels can't get enough of it.
I suspect they learn from it too, and grow in power.
The main goal of god throughout the bible was to give humans the power to control their fate, just by saying what they want. The ability to summon intent, every single time.
Jacob was given that ability without realizing it, and killed his favorite wife by accident.
So it's mostly reserved for angels. We'll likely all get it.
All this is probably why, we should all keep out of the religion business.
Even Carlos.
When you die, just see what happens. That's all.
Be nice to people, and you'll fulfill the Judaeo Christian ethic. And all the meditation needed to learn sorcery ought to please the Buddha, and the Taoist hierarchy of heaven.
I can't imagine that if there really is a heaven, you won't get a chance after all the hard work to improve yourself.
I'm simply floored by this...cosmically floored.
Inorganics are super nice to have around!
I have to work 3 times as hard, since Cholita took them away.
I don't get why don Juan rejected them, and the death defier too.
Too many riches perhaps?
I guess we could look up to him, but he seems like a guy who owns a Sees Chocolate factory, looking down on Hershey bars.
We don't have either! Hershey bars are great when you're poverty stricken.
You went into a bit more detail on this a few months back in this comment:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/c8gxzr/paranormal_storytime/esyusou
and here as well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/c3uani/entering_heightened_awareness_outside_of_toltec/esoma9a
Intent in Karlos tradition is therefore instantaneous creation / manifestation ?
I'm not following exactly what you're trying to understanding, but it doesn't matter.
I'll just explain the basics.
There's "zillions" of infinite lines, flowing everywhere around you, with none of them touching.
If your awareness flows into one, it sends back a super tiny sensation.
Trillions of those combined, produces your reality.
One foot wide in space, contains enough of those infinite lines, to make at least 1 million alternate realities you can perceive (and even live in some).
So they're REALLY dense.
And it's not like the ones making your world, are all contained in a specific area.
If you pointed to a spot in that 1 foot band, the very spot where you were currently making those lines glow, there would be one world you are viewing right now, but maybe 20,000 you aren't.
They're "colocated".
Intent is to inject some glow into those infinite strings, to alter which ones are glowing, and transform whatever you're trying to change.
Easiest way to understand it is to stop perceiving any world at all, and then inject just enough to cause one to materialize.
But it's said that the sorcerers who taught Carlos, could actually alter any aspect of reality.
Theoretically, they could change your car's paint color.
And not interfere with anything else.
And it would be a permanent change.
Here's that one foot thick band
Vadim Zeland (author of a russian classic Transurfing which borrows some stuff from Toltects but even he himself states that his knowlege is for mostly making life more bearable, not total enlightenment/escape from here or how you want to call it) He also talks about point above green point, He calls it spirit access point.
He talks about green position of AP as a place from which, if you focus on it, you can instantly manifest timeline shifts and then proceeds to say that upper position is where you can have instant knowledge. There's a lot to share on about what he said, but I'm trying to start a conversation here cause I can't find anything about it on Castaneda Subreddit. Are you maybe aware about something like that in Castaneda's lineage. I'm going through your posts trying to find anything, but for now I'm clueless.
You equate the ability to control fate with the ability to summon intent. And you mentioned a wife being unalived. It sounds like someone wield a tool unfamiliar to him and accidentally causes death.
Agels are normal ass humans. Some are even drunkards. Some even used up their poor wife so much they got endometriosis. These are the things I had no business knowing but I know them anyway. They're the postman from the future to the past. A messenger has to carry a message from point a to point b. In this case they carry it from the past to the future.
But they speak eglish, all of them which means these angels travelled back only from the 1600 AD to pre 100 AD because before that the eglish language as we speak now didn't exist. There's a loop hole in the language law, that the english speaking angel doesn't't have to be ethnically eglish. He just has to speak eglish even as a second language and it's still valid.
It's also a language deliberately made far enough from the source ie the true meaning of sounds so the world would be less chaotic when a large population uses one common language.
Sounds in and of itself has a separate true meaning. It's different from what cultures ascribe the meanings to be.
Bible angels aren't the only messengers who managed to get back to the past. The manicheans, jayns, buddhists sent their respective messengers back to their people in the past too.
All of them travelled using the same light that your bible calls splendor, brilliance etc etc. No such thing as only one country being able to see under the sunlight. The light of the splendor doesn't discriminate just like the light of the sun doesn't.
Angels are just inorganic beings, playing up your religious beliefs.
They can easily switch to demons if that seems like a better way to interact with you.
Learn to see them, reliably, and you can find your own answers.
Some are but not all. Some have to write books ya know. They have to have hands and get married and earn their keep. And some have the job of dictating words to religious figures in caves, by the river and in the middle of the desert. Some yet drag them around arizona desert allegedly .
Demons are just your indo Europeans ancestors who were called that by semtic ppl. Thats why their numbers correspond to the so called 70/72 languages. Not everyone's demons should be a demon to you unless you're the same ethnicity as them. Semtic demons are angels to ethnic indo Europeans in that way.
This is also why I can never invoke a so called greek gods, angels, goetic demons etc etc. It doesn't work for me. People know the avatar that they create but I know the human them.
It all seems a bit schizophrenic to me, but Cholita is 95% strength schizophrenic, and she does ok for learning sorcery.
The think you underlined which included Jacob killing his wife by saying if she took the statue, let her die, is pretty much the basis of modern Kabballah.
that you "earn" the power to say anything you like, and it has the full power of God behind it.
The classic story is that a man goes into a cave and buried himself up to his neck in sand.
Presumably he's emptying himself of everything,w hcih is a very poor understanding of shutting off the internal dialogue.
Kabballah never really figured out how to do that, but they got close enough to reach the green zone on our J curve, and ended up meeting God and visiting heaven.
Beginner's tricks, but they never realized that.
So the man came out of the cave after "purifying" himself, and saw a wheat field he didn't like, so he cursed it.
and it burned down.
But it's just a delusional Kabbalist story.
They can't actually do anything. Once in a while someone kind of sees deeply into beginners levels, and then they go out and make pests of themselves in that community.
Judaism hasn't been around long enough to develop real magic. And money came along, so that's the end of their ability to learn real magic.
Be careful what you read.
We aren't theorists in here.
Words and stories are meaningless, unless they help to explain "the Nagual".
The other half of ourselves that is the only thing which can give us real, daily magical powers.
We all accept in here, that there may be another magical system different form our own, which works.;
But in 6 years, no one has been able to point to it on the internet.
Words don't count. Of course, people tell stories, and try to deceive others with words.
What you need to point to, if you believe any of that is actual magic, is a place like this where people are really learning and the instructions are clear.
I didn't know that was the basis for kabalh. Again that connects entire stories that seem unconnected.
He didn't get that ability until he wifed / f#cked raxhel. The people called as raxhel in your bible are chinkies, located to the geographical east of Kazakhstan. Just like isaac denotes the eglish people as a collective whole because their word for "I am" starts with the syllable "I".
Zakob married others too but none except raxhel could give him the ability to make instantaneous manifestation or summon intent on command as you put it.
Zakob stone - curse incident, Jesua turning of water into wine incident, the healing of the sick with the touch of a cloak, the crossing of the red sea ( meaning menstruation - these people wanna be immortal, push the clock beyond 12 midnight and never birth from the vagin@ again ) is all done with the same ability that raxhel possessed.
Just because I synchronize a lot of unconnected dots doesn't mean I'm mentally out there.
And i don't think magick and sorcerers are to be found in the priesthoods of xtianity, zudaism or even buddhism. These priesthoods are cultivated like a sort of farm animals by the c.ia to be used as a genetic bank. I think the best sorcerers today are found inside the c.ia and mi6. I don't know how people don't know these two are just the military wing of the bible. You're not gonna rain down fire and brimestones with fighter jets unless you have these war machines in the palm of your hand.
And they're definitely not on a reddit sub or the internet. They're at the Pentagon and own the internet though.
So in that way, I don't think the unlimited scope of sorcery is restricted to seeing worlds in your room. I think it stretched a bit further than that.
Also I'm definitely not trying to bring anything new. To me they're all connected. I'm here to learn and i stayed because I've seen the foundations of true magic here which of course isn't available publicly elsewhere.
That all still seems like schizophrenia to me.
However, as long as you actually practice, and have a working technique like ours, schizophrenia can be an advantage for sorcery.
As you can read where it says Zuleica (schizophrenic) and Josefina (also schizophrenic) traveled further into other worlds than Carlos and La Gorda could, because they had no rationality to hold them back.
Those other worlds are usually non-sensical unless you have worked hard to tune in a "real one".
Or unless you have an ally to lead the way.
Unfortunately we don't have a Zuleica anymore.
Maybe Cholita, some day...
I don't have a working technique that's why I'm here. I don't have a personal technique. Why do you keep trying to send me off elsewhere lmao. You think dark room is the best for newbies ? For now I'm looking at what i can relate to in the Karlos ouvre. I'm trying to do dark room and i see bands of faint lights.
I connect seemingly unconnected dots because i speak a very ancient language. I'm sure none in your clique speaks the same.
I'm assuming sorcerers - writers know how to inject a piece of themselves into their writings to create a sort of wormhole between them and you, the readers.
One writer wrote "im an eagle and met Basic Winter and she's perched up in xyz / 200 cubit high mountain". I realised 1. They used the word eagle in their avatars as time travellers to the future. 2. They used geographical / physical distance and time interchangeably. 3. They and bible writers used the word cubit to mean time - distance not physical - distance as we use it today.
I checked his wiki and the book was published xyz / 200 years before i read it. He was born to the west of me. The west denotes a past, the east a future. There are sorcerers who know how to exchange geographical distance with time and see the future 200 years before it happens. That's why they're so powerful and their progeny owns the entire big pharma, big tech, big banks, big military etc.
Ancient bible / greek myths writer - sorcerers didn't stop in the past, they lure out writers that they personally pick, cultivate and train all the time among students from cambridge, oxford, Harvard etc even today like how your don Juan picked Karlos. The eagle that I met was an alumni of a very old University from Western Europe.
You'd have to have crazy manifestation ability for them to take any interest in you though. It's the manifestation ability that they're after.
They're the reason I refused to read anymore. They have their own agenda and its never worth interacting with them.
So zakob was schizophrenic when he manifested a death ? Jesua too was when he said to water "become wine" and it became wine ? When he raised the death ? Call me schizophrenic one more time and I'll infect you with one too :D
This is why I refused to say much at all even among the woo crowd. They get so weirded out by the ones that I put out publicly. Anyway I'll practice more. Bye.
Robert Monroe in his book far journeys talked about meeting a similar individual as the death defier.
This person was 1800 years old, and a living breathing human being.
One aspect Monroe remembers about him was his energy. It was like a perfect combination of Femanine and masculine. And the individual had androgynes features and Monroe called him he/she
https://riverwalkerpress.com/on/heshe/
I had a theory that extending a human life in the physical would require a complete energetic balance. Both spiritual energy and hormonal biological energy. Which could be why these long lived individual eventually end up being androgynes.
They need the complete balance of male/female energy to extend their life