Cheap Tricks for Helping with Colors

Over time, I suspect we'll collect more tips for how to stimulate seeing those colors in darkness.

Once you can see them, the colors themselves will help you. Watching them moves the assemblage point.

No matter how tired you are, and how much you want to go back to bed, once it moves around 2 feet deeper into your body, you'll feel wonderful.

Too good in fact. You'll be a pain in the ass for everyone else the next day, like someone in good health, being around a crowd of sick people.

But in the meantime, here's some "cheap tricks" that might work.

  1. Burn your eyes with your cellphone, then look at after images. Try to reduce how long you need to burn them, until it's just a fast glance.
  2. Recapitulate for 30 minutes first. It loosens the assemblage point.
  3. Get up at 3AM, right after you were dreaming. The assemblage point is more flexible.
  4. Vape a bit. Maybe even try overdosing on vape just a little. There's a reason you see those "Indian Chiefs" sitting around smoking tobacco in pictures from the 1800s.
  5. Go to the pharmacy, and tell the girl, I want the REAL Pseudo-fed. The little red tablets. Tell her, no, not the time release. The simple little red tablets! (Walmart). Take 2 of those at the start of practice, and 20 minutes in they'll kick in. It's the Chinese medicine "MaHuang", and can help with dreaming attention, for 2 days in a row. On the 3rd, it's pointless.
  6. Guzzle a double shot espresso can at the start of practice.
  7. If you're stuck sitting up on a bed on pillows, then do "Running Man" a bit when you feel sleepy. It brightens the colors once you can see them! I now rank it as one of the most useful series of Tensegrity passes ever given out. It should be renamed to "Lazy Man".
  8. Watch a lot of TV re-runs before you go to sleep (assuming you'll wake up later). TV loosens the assemblage point, as long as it isn't angry politics news.
  9. Pot? Sorry. It's a hindrance, not an aid. But not enough of an issue to mean you can't. Just wait till it wears off. Same for alcohol.

Anyone know more tips?

Cholita has another Tensegrity move that can help.

I'm going to ask permission to teach it.

It opens a tunnel of light.

I have no idea where she got it.

But last night when I told her that someone had used her "claw" technique successfully (besides me), she got angry and said everyone knows who she is these days.

Everywhere she goes, it's "Cholita this, and Cholita that..."

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u/vreddtit 3 points 2020-03-12 20:26

have been sitting for a 3rd am in a row, starting at 1:15ish
and the frustration during that does not seem to be as annoying as not being able to go asleep after practicing!

have been in absolute dark, where even after i feel adjusted, am still not able to see my hand or the trail of it, a silhouette, anything -
and almost notice a silverish, greenish glow of particulate before me.
an energy, and it feels potentially holographic. a very grainy resolution of a massive 3d chess or interstellar map, again in that silver, greenish glow.

an been noticing the intensities, not like intermittent pulse, but a rando swirl with a white-point, that i begin to look into.
sometimes feel my eyes crossing, and try to watch it, let it mystify.

and this happens over and over as i try to stop my thoughts.

many times, while watching almost what feels like drone footage of a beach's tide, soon brighter glowing washes will jump out at me, then i look into them, they move tentacle/smoke like, and can become dimensions or numerics, language of a hyper-minutiae?

in this hour, 1-2am, keep having memories.
remembering them as originally stored, and just as viewed whenever i pull the file and harken to them --- but then the urge to think about them from another perspective, like, "aha" is a pesky thought, forcing a soon after the original incidence, of another memory, where i used my memory, to think about the next filed memory (as in filed in my data) available - ANOther thOUGHT.

have been resorting to saying with clarity,
"STOP"

and hold the last consonant tone ("p") for a duration.
wondering if it works, to just speak slower in your head the command, and then never stop prnouncing it, until it turns into the "hu" sound of the perceptors.
feel like something is going to give soon tho,

got to.

am starting to feel you on the herbs dept, but introducing gross beverage to just jump one into attention, seems disastrous for me, as am usually pretty readily awake still from my ice cream dessert and am not feeling that my energy level or tiredness is a problem, personally.

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u/jd198703 1 points 2020-03-12 20:59

seem to be as annoying as not being able to go asleep after practicing

So you are unable to fall asleep and feel very energized? I had it yesterday.

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u/vreddtit 2 points 2020-03-12 21:25

yeah, while gazing for crystals, am given all sort of stimulating chills..
it perks me up too much to do more than a half hour of.. but if say, like the last 3 nights, did an hour each, dam, almost takes to 4am before i don't realize i started dreaming! tossing and turning and THINKING

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u/jd198703 2 points 2020-03-12 21:41

Yeah, exactly the same thing. Maybe I did not have this spectacular result yet, but yesterday just this exact effect: my internal dialogue running like crazy and feeling energized like on caffeine or something (but different), you just don't want to sleep and that is it

P. S. What do you mean by gazing into crystals?

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u/vreddtit 2 points 2020-03-13 05:41

oh, you know, looking at the formations of things shining as you try to shut off the dialogue, kinda like crystalline, that is all. sometimes a bead or crystal kinda shining will appear..

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u/jd198703 2 points 2020-03-13 09:19

Okay.. u/danl999 this energizing effect is really something! You just don't want to sleep after looking into colors and the mind is racing. What is this effect about? It seems to be a bit odd.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-13 17:04

It's the assemblage point moving closer to heightened awareness.

The same thing happens doing Tensegrity.

I'm kind of surprised, since these accompanying darkness/color experiences seem to be around 1/32nd of the way to there.

I guess people can feel that?

Remember, in class Carlos did nothing but emphasize raising our energy up from our feet, and constantly explained how the assemblage point would move, while we were saving energy.

Silence loosens it, and also allows you to save up energy during the day (from less fussing around).

Staring at colors lures it.

He even traced the course it ought to ideally take, over the sexy bodies of young women, so we'd remember it.

So it's all about moving the assemblage point.

It's not about Fairies (as much as I love them).

Or Tulpas as they're called over in the "scientifically minded" sorcery group. I've been warned not to post crazy stuff over there.

Tulpas are ok. Solid Tulpas who can push dim sum plates, are insanity.

Anyway, it's good to know you guys can notice that much movement.

Let me tell you something you'll absolutely love, when you get there.

Being extremely silent, with your assemblage point moved to heightened awareness, is sort of like getting a short wave radio which can pick up signals from Heaven.

I guess in these times no one knows about them anymore, but shortwave radios can pick up signals from all the way around the world.

At night they even bounce off the atmosphere, and you can get all the way to the other side of the world.

Most of them are just some guy yapping.

Lonely perhaps. A retro chat room of sorts.

And so there's plenty of mundane stuff you can figure out, when in heightened awareness. You can even chat with inorganic beings using that radio.

(Except they never speak to me out loud.)

But once in a while your heightened awareness radio will get a signal from Heaven, and you can't believe how beautiful it is.

I suspect it's "the nagual" manifesting for you.

It's so intensely happy, you realize why people make such a big deal out of "enlightenment".

A mistake for sure. Don't get bent out of shape, and exaggerate to the monks. Because when it wears off, you can't take it back and admit, it wasn't a permanent condition.

You'll find yourself being carried around on a chair because you're old and senile, with monks still chanting to you, as if you were a God.

While exploiting you behind the scenes...

As to why people get energized, I wasn't aware of it.

I'm only energized when it moves so far, that the room is swimming in fairies and orbs.

But I supposed, sorcery is the "mastery of intent".

So I guess you could say, you're energized, because you woke up intent with your practices. Can't sleep, because your mind is focusing on things that release energy. New things, even if they're so subtle you aren't aware of it.

Or, on a more mechanical level, total bliss (basic enlightenment) is at 2 feet of movement of the assemblage point.

Inwards that is, not to the left or right. Movements to the left or right, that far, would likely be somewhat hellish.

But it looks like even a few inches of movement, towards the center, is detectable.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2020-03-13 18:40

I've been warned not to post crazy stuff over there.

Tulpas are ok. Solid Tulpas who can push dim sum plates, are insanity.

It's whacked that they want video evidence of personal perception/paranormal events or it's just a hallucination; and the folks over at r/Psychonaut are only interested in hallucinations and not in any proof they're more than that.

Thank [insert nomenclature] we're staunchly in the middle of those two restrictive views.

Edit: I forgot about r/RationalPsychonaut

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-13 18:45

I'm not against video taping Cholita move a dim sum plate, but frankly if that's someone's obsession, they'll never learn sorcery.

It's like Greg and Gabby trying to video tape Carlos, instead of learn from him.

That's poor baby me, book deal thinking. You won't get anywhere worrying about impressing other people.

Besides, there are already videos of objects moving by themselves. If there's some benefit to mankind from making those, it doesn't work out in the long run.

I'd rather have a video of Cholita working out in her tiny outfit, wearing no underwear.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2020-03-13 18:49

Yes. I believe the only way to do so without collapsing ones intent would be to film everything 24/7 via glasses or next generation video contact lenses, to the point where you forget you're recording everything.

Trailer for Final Cut (2004), with a brain implant concept:

Edit: there's a reason why most paranormal footage is from CCTV or Nanny Cams.

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-03-13 20:10

I just commented there.

I asked Cholita about whether I should just talk plain in other forums, or maybe it's too much to speak about Fairies.

She said, everyone already knows I'm insane. And it's only a matter of time before I end up in Jail, where I belong for kidnapping her.

But it does seem, the plainer I talk in other forums, the more people come over.

Seems like one delusional comment in another forum can snag 10 people in a single day, if it's a weirdo forum.

If it's an "intellectual" forum, like the Zen people, you get 1 or 2.

By the way, if anyone thinks trying to attract people is bad, I fully agree.

But I did it for Carlos too, during workshops. He was amused, not unhappy about it.

He was after energetic mass, and was willing to look the other way for where he got it from.

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u/jd198703 1 points 2020-03-13 21:00

P. S. Sorry for the fussiness! :)) Just trying to keep up to this practical discussion. But how amazing that many people are coming together and sharing their experience of doing things...

I'm kind of surprised, since these accompanying darkness/color experiences seem to be around 1/32nd of the way to there.

I guess people can feel that?

To understand you well, do you mean that this energizing effect should be coming with deeper states than what we describe now? Because I myself feel that visual experience is still stuck at the beginning levels..

So I guess you could say, you're energized, because you woke up intent with your practices. Can't sleep, because your mind is focusing on things that release energy. New things, even if they're so subtle you aren't aware of it.

In my case it was similar to what one guy described to me being on amphetamines. You could not sleep, have infinite energy and memories, ideas, plans in neverending stream filling your head.

I could not say it is blissful at this point. Even annoying to some extent, because you feel very active and even overthinking, no calm feeling. Maybe it is so because the internal dialogue was not stopped and AP did not move deep enough.

Inwards that is, not to the left or right. Movements to the left or right, that far, would likely be somewhat hellish.

Did you encounter those lateral shifts? Don Juan has mentioned to Carlos that lateral shifts generate either hellish and violent visions or heavenly-glowimg depending on the side of lateral shift. But both are not the point of interest for seers, only the centered inward shift inside the man's band (from the books).

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-13 21:48

To understand you well, do you mean that this energizing effect should be coming with deeper states than what we describe now?

No. I guess it means, I'm dull and can't feel what you guys feel.

I'm the same with emotions. Cholita claims I have none.

(Which is a good thing for her, considering all the bite marks and bruises I have from her).

I myself feel that visual experience is still stuck at the beginning levels..

I suspect it's a lot more work than you expected it to be. That's all.

I guess I could say, practicing wasn't satisfying until many years of intense hard work.

It's only recently it got fun.

But regardless, you still have to work around 3 times as hard as you thought you needed to, assuming you were thinking you had to work really, really, hard.
It's more than you have ever had to work. So it seems unreasonable.

Did you encounter those lateral shifts?

I'm not sure. I get stuck in abstract dreaming from time to time.

That could be a lateral shift.

I've never managed to assemble to become another type of life form. Like an insect or bird.

I guess we'll need a shape shifter in here eventually.

Or hopefully, Cholita can learn that.

Except, I'm going to head for the hills, if she manages to turn into something with bigger teeth than she already has.

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u/vreddtit 2 points 2020-03-13 17:36

agreed, we must have exceptionally racing minds at this point in our practice.
perhas we are the most anxious to learn as well, which makes it crucial for us to find our sticking points and to find our epiphanies, utilize hints ETC

am beginning to sit in the dark, holding knees, trying to maneuver and evenly distribute the areas of potential stiffness from such an act - then slowly, counter and clockwise scan for waves of glowing..
then as they arrive, watch them intently, looking for pareidolic tendencies to reveal.

yesterday, sat in my noisy living room, doors open, all traffic from outside pouring in, light and clutter..

and began to look at a doorknob push-lock that was shining, and look into it, trying to convince myself that there were 2 micro-figures walking toward me. the room got quite grey, and the form of things began to stretch, as in inanimate things began to produce a dull aura.

thoughts were everywhere, but the intent was to produce a calmness, and time was flying by after only a few attempts at it (as i was waiting for a pressure cooker to cool)

a few open eye visuals from dimethyltriptamine memories began to beckon for inspection..

and

wait!

is that what recap is?

this is another term i am just now beginning to see,

and maybe there is some info in there that can be helpful tooo?

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-03-12 21:13

So you're trying to do this, BEFORE you can get silent.

It's doable, but you have to "cheat" by sneaking into dreaming a little, so as to reduce the internal dialogue.

And you're going to suffer even more than if you tried the chair first.

BUT, and here's the good news.

The more you suffer while trying to force it off, the more your "silence muscles" grow.

It's the effort that matters, not so much the success.

And doing it in the middle of the night is a good sign.

That you might make it in the long run!

Remember, once it shifts around 2 feet, you're "enlightened".

Of course, they exaggerated that state, to fulfill the Asian social order.

It just means, you get all the bliss people describe from meditation, and you get to keep it all day long.

So the night before, you're miserable. Life sucks. It's excruciating to be up in the middle of the night, struggling.

You feel like it's never going to be worth it.

Then suddenly it shifts far enough, and everything is just fine.

You feel like Dean Martin in his drunken happy state:

https://tenor.com/view/dean-martin-dancing-singing-gif-13100413

Carlos wanted very much to emphasize this point for us. He went over it in his last books.

"Up from your feet!"

That's what you need to remember foremost. Not that you can "visualize" your energy rising.

Just that, happiness is only seconds away, once you can move the assemblage point.

And crankiness is also always only a few seconds away, if it moves back to it's miserable normal position.

Up from your feet!

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u/vreddtit 2 points 2020-03-12 21:32

ah, such a great visual of martin to look forward to!

so yeah, the second night, i stood for an hour, fingers curled, and with back straight, trying as said to think looooong thoughts, thusly reducing frequency.. hoping to help stop them altogether.

eventually went to a hugging my knees against the ½ bathroom door
(2 nights ago was a very long session, where i stood for an hour and sat for 2 and ½! so, in bed around 4) - and learned the hard way of how stimulating, yet frustrating, seeing/shifting-attention/silence is!

so is standing at 1 am preferable?

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-03-12 21:42

What's preferrable is not falling asleep.

Standing helps. But clinging to your knees in the bathroom puts the energy centers of the calves closer to the point of the second attention.

There are fibers of awareness connecting those. If you can bring it closer, it might push the assemblage point on its own, and make it a little easier to get silent.

No one need doubt those fibers! The day will come when you're doing tensegrity, and your hand passes through something thick. Like a cobweb.

The first time, you'll probably rub that hand with the other, to "get it off!"

Then you'll find nothing. But if you wave your hand there again, you feel the cobweb again.

Sometimes, you can actually tug on it, and it pulls on your foot. It literally lifts up a tiny bit.

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u/vreddtit 2 points 2020-03-13 05:48

found this page looking at the tensegrity

those broads are so wicked!

my first impression, especially the first pass,
it really stimulates something in my thinking, to see the beginning of the video, and the girls are vibrating a knife-hand chop under their necks.

like, you perform the pose, and it goes thru the mind, that you are trying to kill yourself, or make the body think you are, or mocking it.
priming the fasciae for currents of energy?

some poses seem practical and some others do not, for me, like they would become too much to include into my daily practice before i tired of them, this is the gumption trap i have now -
but eventually, maybe these passes will really produce the effect you describe, or even give me a tremendous feeling of energy and wellness?

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-13 15:59

Yes, they will for sure. The knife under the throat stimulates a point under the chin, which can help produce internal silence.

You can also lean your chin on the edge of a coffee table, while sitting on the floor, forcing silence.

But even when doing it that way, you still need to be leaning in, to simulate the angle they have in the Tensegrity video.

So you sit cross legged next to the coffee table, move your butt back and lean in, so that you're sort of horizontal, with your chin on the edge of the coffee table. The edge presses into it. The soft spot directly under the lower front teeth.

Thus the coffee table because it's low enough to force you to lean in.

And don’t worry about too many tensegrity moves out there.

You aren’t stuck with preserving them.

Thank god for Cleargreen! Let them get stuck with preserving them.

The Tensegrity moves are indeed tedious at times. Because there's so many.

Except that each one is a mini miracle.

Cholita has one I was never taught, but she’s holding out. It opens a tunnel of light, right in front of you.

When I first saw her doing it, I was horrified. I even commented in here.

It was scattering her energy! Randomly.

I thought maybe Howard had taught her that.

But now I realize, energy only redeploys inside our luminous cocoon. It can’t be scattered.

We’re sealed.

So if you scatter it the way Cholita’s movement does, it’ll flow back around.

You can scatter it to the front, but the action of it striking the front limit, and flowing back around, creates a tunnel of light.

All the moves potentially have things like that in them. Carlos wasn’t lazy. When he took on a task, he put everything into it, until he decided to move to another thing.

He probably had a lot of fun hiding stuff in the Tensegrity, which he knew we’d find later on.

Last night I was trying the first movement Carlos taught us in class.

I suddenly realized, Carlos had walked over to show each person how to do it. It was rather unique for him to be that specific, about such a silly movement.

And he was so particular about the rotating/rocking motion of the hips. He actually giggled a few times.

Mildly, not overtly.

He stared at the subtleties of each person’s rocking motion, doing his own for them.

I couldn't get a straight answer from him (using my eyes to ask, "like this") on my rocking motion. I somehow sensed it was the most important part of the movement, but when I tried various motions in front of him, he sort of implied, "Yes, that would work. But that one too. Maybe not that one. But there's another."

The hands wave small circles towards the crotch, as if scooping energy there, while the hips rotate and sway a bit, as if you were trying to sweep the ground with your navel.

Or DICK, as Cholita would likely insist at this point. Once in a while, while we're walking along, she starts to pretend like she has a horse penis and is sweeping it on the ground in front of her. Then she looks at me, like it's an accusation.

But in fact, it's not a nasty trick. It's Zuleica’s technique!

Your thick tentacles are what you touch the ground with.

So what was Carlos up to, taking so much care to look at that particular movement?

He was giving each person a demo of how those tentacles touch the ground.

His tentacles.

There was speculation in private classes that Carlos was doing the same thing with us, as don Juan had done with him. Moving him into another state, which he wouldn’t remember until later on.

And I had some strange flashes while in private classes. Of being somewhere else with other classmates.

But it was never enough to settle that question.

Now I realize, he did it with his tensegrity demonstrations.

We saw what the movements could do. We just don’t pay attention to that yet. To seeing energy.

But the memory is in there.

He told us in his books! We always see. We always have. And you can go back and remember it from early in life, onwards.

(It's an intent trail you can pick up.)

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u/jd198703 2 points 2020-03-13 18:55

But in fact, it's not a nasty trick. It's Zuleica’s technique!

Your thick tentacles are what you touch the ground with.

Is it about this?

"Zuleica started then on another facet of her teachings. She taught me how to move. She began
her instruction by commanding me to place my awareness on the midpoint of my body. In my
case the midpoint is below the lower edge of my belly button. She told me to sweep the floor with
it, that is, make a rocking motion with my belly as if a broom were attached to it. Throughout
countless sessions I attempted to accomplish what her voice was urging me to do. She did not
allow me to go into a state of restful vigil. It was her intention to guide me to elicit the perception
of sweeping the floor with my midsection while I remained in a waking state. She said that to be
on the left side awareness was enough of an advantage to do well in the exercise.
One day, for no reason I could think of, I succeeded in having a vague feeling in the area of
my stomach. It was not something defined, and when I focused my attention on it I realized that it
was a prickling sensation inside the cavity of my body, not quite in my stomach area but above it.
The closer I examined it, the more details I noticed. The vagueness of the sensation soon turned
into a certainty. There was a strange connection of nervousness or a prickling sensation between
my solar plexus and my right calf.
"

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-03-13 20:19

Throughout countless sessions

Thank you. I needed that.

I can only barely see this. And I thought I'd put in enough time.

I guess not.

And as for the right calf, I can totally verify that.

I just can't tell you if it's because they wrote it, that's what happens.

For example, how come the Buddhists don't know about the assemblage point?

Carlos wrote, it was only the ancient sorcerers who "conceived it".

You have to conceive your tools? And others are possible?

Beats me.

But maybe this is time for a warning:

Don't assume things!!!!

Just because Cholita moved a dim sum plate, doesn't necessarily mean she can do it again.

Same for me. I do new things each night, but I'm always trying to do the old ones. Not the new ones.

Last night I manifested "the Nagual", by accident.

Wow.....

I'd write about that if I could, but it's impossible.

So we just have to be satisfied (for a while), with doing something cool just one time, so that we know there's gold in those hills.

Maybe the gold is a gift from intent, which takes back the ability to do that right after you succeed, in order to force us to keep working harder?

Learn how, not what?

However, with dozens of people doing cool things, we can map this out.

By ourselves, one at a time?

Only if we had superman in here.

The 1950s one. He could do it. Not the modern versions.

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u/jd198703 1 points 2020-03-13 20:45

Thank you. I needed that.

I can only barely see this. And I thought I'd put in enough time.

Thank you for being here for us and helping us to bring sorcery in our lives!

But just to confirm the tentacle thing - you were speaking about this part of Zuleica's instructions, yes?

Don't assume things!!!!

Just because Cholita moved a dim sum plate, doesn't necessarily mean she can do it again.

Maybe everyone is different, and as you have told us before many times, we can catch up with differents "intents" or different manifestations of it.

The general path has some checkpoints, but those specific gifts of intent are individual.

Maybe the gold is a gift from intent, which takes back the ability to do that right after you succeed, in order to force us to keep working harder?

Reminds me of the story from the 8th book where at some moment the Intent rushes on us and moves the assemblage point to show us wonders. Then we are tricked into learning and working harder.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-13 21:27

you were speaking about this part of Zuleica's instructions, yes?

Yes. Carlos combined that, with waving the hands into the second attention assemblage point, to teach both at once.

But even more, it puts on a fireworks show if you can see.

I don't know that story. Can you put it in a comment?

It's probably important.

The books are our map. Not the Eagle's Gift myth.

We're out of that one for now.

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u/jd198703 1 points 2020-03-13 21:37

Yes. Carlos combined that, with waving the hands into the second attention assemblage point, to teach both at once.

Can you describe those instructions/movements if you recall those well?

I don't know that story. Can you put it in a comment?

I will, but which one, specifically? What I posted is an excerpt from "The Eagle's Gift".

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-03-13 21:56

Can you describe those instructions/movements if you recall those well?

I do them nightly. Cholita has promised to video tape tensegrity for me.

She's going to have to do it, eventually.

> I will, but which one, specifically?

"At some moment the Intent rushes on us and moves the assemblage point to show us wonders. "

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u/jd198703 2 points 2020-03-13 22:14

I do them nightly. Cholita has promised to video tape tensegrity for me

Would be cool. But how complex they are to describe them in text?

At some moment the Intent rushes on us and moves the assemblage point to show us wonders

Aah, this one.. Of course. It is from "The Power of Silence". By the way, the last book I conceive to be from the Core books (first eight ones - the ones summarized in the last book)

""The fourth abstract core is the full brunt of the spirit's descent," he went on. "The fourth
abstract core is an act of revelation. The spirit reveals itself to us. Sorcerers describe it as the
spirit lying in ambush and then descending on us, its prey. Sorcerers say that the spirit's descent is
always shrouded. It happens and yet it seems not to have happened at all."
I became very nervous. Don Juan's tone of voice was giving me the feeling that he was
preparing to spring something on me at any moment.
He asked me if I remembered the moment the spirit descended on me, sealing my permanent
allegiance to the abstract.
I had no idea what he was talking about.
"There is a threshold that once crossed permits no retreat," he said. "Ordinarily, from the
moment the spirit knocks, it is years before an apprentice reaches that threshold. Sometimes,
though, the threshold is reached almost immediately. My benefactor's case is an example."
Don Juan said every sorcerer should have a clear memory of crossing that threshold so he
could remind himself of the new state of his perceptual potential. He explained that one did not
have to be an apprentice of sorcery to reach this threshold, and that the only difference between
an average man and a sorcerer, in such cases, is what each emphasizes. A sorcerer emphasizes
crossing this threshold and uses the memory of it as a point of reference. An average man does
not cross the threshold and does his best to forget all about it."

Later in the text Carlos describes from don Juan's words how Julian encountered the Descent. The story is very abstract, like all this book dealing with the mastery of intent. It is a pretty long text, so maybe you could try the PDF or should I still split and post it here?

But below in the text I saw some curious stuff also.

"When we got to the rock ledge it was almost dark. Don Juan sat down hurriedly, in the same
position as the first time. He was to my right, touching me with his shoulder. He immediately
seemed to enter into a deep state of relaxation, which pulled me into total immobility and silence.
I could not even hear his breathing. I closed my eyes, and he nudged me to warn me to keep them
open.
By the time it became completely dark, an immense fatigue had begun to make my eyes sore
and itchy. Finally I gave up my resistance and was pulled into the deepest, blackest sleep I have
ever had. Yet I was not totally asleep. I could feel the thick blackness around me. I had an entirely
physical sensation of wading through blackness. Then it suddenly became reddish, then orange,
then glaring white, like a terribly strong neon light. Gradually I focused my vision until I saw I
was still sitting in the same position with don Juan - but no longer in the cave. We were on a
mountaintop looking down over exquisite flatlands with mountains in the distance. This beautiful
prairie was bathed in a glow that, like rays of light, emanated from the land itself. Wherever I
looked, I saw familiar features: rocks, hills, rivers, forests, canyons, enhanced and transformed by
their inner vibration, their inner glow. This glow that was so pleasing to my eyes also tingled out
of my very being.
"Your assemblage point has moved," don Juan seemed to say to me.
The words had no sound; nevertheless I knew what he had just said to me. My rational
reaction was to try to explain to myself that I had no doubt heard him as I would have if he had
been talking in a vacuum, probably because my ears had been temporarily affected by what was
transpiring.
"Your ears are fine. We are in a different realm of awareness," don Juan again seemed to say
to me.
I could not speak. I felt the lethargy of deep sleep preventing me from saying a word, yet I was
as alert as I could be.
"What's happening?" I thought.
"The cave made your assemblage point move," don Juan thought, and I heard his thoughts as
if they were my own words, voiced to myself.
I sensed a command that was not expressed in thoughts. Something ordered me to look again
at the prairie.
As I stared at the wondrous sight, filaments of light began to radiate from everything on that
prairie. At first it was like the explosion of an infinite number of short fibers, then the fibers became long threadlike strands of luminosity bundled together into beams of vibrating light that
reached infinity. There was really no way for me to make sense of what I was seeing, or to
describe it, except as filaments of vibrating light. The filaments were not intermingled or
entwined. Although they sprang, and continued to spring, in every direction, each one was
separate, and yet all of them were inextricably bundled together.
"You are seeing the Eagle's emanations and the force that keeps them apart and bundles them
together," don Juan thought.
The instant I caught his thought the filaments of light seemed to consume all my energy.
Fatigue overwhelmed me. It erased my vision and plunged me into darkness.
When I became aware of myself again, there was something so familiar around me, although I
could not tell what it was, that I believed myself to be back in a normal state of awareness. Don
Juan was asleep beside me, his shoulder against mine.
Then I realized that the darkness around us was so intense that I could not even see my hands.
I speculated that fog must have covered the ledge and filled the cave. Or perhaps it was the wispy
low clouds that descended every rainy night from the higher mountains like a silent avalanche.
Yet in spite of the total blackness, somehow I saw that don Juan had opened his eyes immediately
after I became aware, although he did not look at me. Instantly I realized that seeing him was not
a consequence of light on my retina. It was, rather, a bodily sense."

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-03-13 22:43

Would be cool. But how complex they are to describe them in text?

I've done that two or three times. Doesn't seem to be good enough.

I'll try again. Stand with legs shoulder length apart, or very slightly wider. But not horse stance.

Try rotating your hips left, and then right, and then left. Maybe at a 1 second speed. Tick, tock, tick, tock. Each tick or tock is a full second or slightly more. It's a natural speed, you'll find it.

Just turn so that they're moved 45 degrees left, and then right. The stomach moves 45 degrees also. And the navel.

But the upper body should correct that, so the head remains facing forward. Nothing strained. Just keep looking forward, and down at the area right in front of the navel.

As you rotate, you also rock a little sideways, so that if you had a beam of energy going from your stomach to the floor right in front of your feet (about a foot or two out), your sideways motion would cause it to "sweep" a bit more than just the rotation movement.

Your hands are at your side, just far enough away from the legs, so as not to bump.

When you turn left, the right hand waves in a little circle, wrist only for the most part, to push energy to the crotch area (the second attention's assemblage point is to the right of that, and slightly up).

It kind of "flicks" the energy, because besides "scooping" with the cupped hand, the fingers give it a little "kick" at the very end, to make sure the energy has enough momentum to make it to the other side.

When you go right, the left hand does it.

It stirs up a dust of purple clouds, with fibers or lines mixed in. Imagine you're in a heavy fog bank, and someone has shined a purple light on it.

Your hand would clear out a little circle there, and flick the fog into the middle, to collide with what you flicked there last time.

As the disturbance builds in the center, a "ball" forms. There by the crotch. The sides tend to clear out, except that the fog in general slowly moves in to replace the missing fog in the area of the hands.

It generates a flow of light, going right to the center of the assemblage point, for the second attention.

Well, a few inches off, but close enough. If you look very very closely, there's a vortex there, which can suck in anything it likes. I just haven't seen it doing that, during this move.

Now's the test. If your assemblage point is only halfway to heightened awareness, the ball is miss-formed.

Vague, wispy. But still enough to say, it's a ball of light.

If your assemblage point is FULLY in heighten awareness, a PERFECT basketball shape, made of bluish purple light, is tossed back and forth by the flicking hands. I wouldn't even be surprised if one of you didn't tell me, they looked closely at the ball, because they couldn't believe their eyes, and it had "SPALDING" printed on it.

And, don't blame me if you see red light, or green, or yellow.

I'll be stoked! Yellow is rare for me, and green nearly non-existant.

My only comment about, SPALDING, would be, you must have played a little basketball in your time.

If you're that talented, try seeing if it doesn't resemble a pumpkin, in some way.

It soon will!

If you do it over and over, you pick up a rhythm. And if you look closely inside that rhythm, and think about "sweeping the floor", you can see what Carlos was fine tuning for us.

Cholita is a curvy Mexican woman, 54 years old, and around 5 foot 3 inches tall.

She's going to look kind of hot doing that.

If you're 63 like I am.

Unfortunately for me, Cholita likes 38 year old men who look like they didn’t shave for 3 days, and who have black hair and blue eyes, are very thin, and very tall.

"LA cougar" lures.

Eye candy for Cholitas.

They hire them in the expensive grocery stores of Santa Monica.

When she reminds me of that, which type of way too young for her men she likes, I whip out my cell phone and show her pics of my old girlfriends. Otherwise she taunts me all the rest of the day.

But I'll let her pick out the clothes for the Tensegrity moves. Sexy will be up to her.

I'm just hoping for the little blue shorts. But probably, she'll wear all black.

Don't count on that any time soon. In the last 7 days I got 2 sentences out of her, plus 3 bizarre texts:

"Yea, kettle cooked",

"Oh we got quite a show."

and

"How did you like those Cherries today?"

It happens and yet it seems not to have happened at all."

Mr. DoubleTake's doings.

He can't stop intent. But he can pretend it never happened.

And you LITERALLY feel a cloud over your mind right afterwards.

You have to stop and examine why you feel dazed. Or embarrassed. Or delusional.

You realize, hey! That did just happen!!!

A tinge of guilt will come over you. Your mother would not like that!

And the cloud sort of lifts. You remember it clearly, and wonder why you would have denied it.

But you still don't believe it.

Then it suddenly became reddish, then orange, then glaring white, like a terribly strong neon light. Gradually I focused my vision until I saw I was still sitting in the same position with don Juan - but no longer in the cave.

Happens to me all the time.

Someone over in the r/RationalPsychonaut subreddit just told me my post was amusing, and he wasn’t sure if I was making things up.

(Sounds like my first 2 days here).

But now he’s older and knows Carlos was a fake, even though he admired him long ago.

I guess this type of account, about the colors and changing locations, seems more like fiction than an actual account.

But it’s how it goes!

In real life.

I crossed at least 2 worlds last night, and I wasn’t even trying to do that.

I saw an entire world go by on the walls of my bedroom, like an old Star Trek episode with a time portal.

I was silent. But a tiny thought did cross my mind.

"Oh, that place? Maybe next time."

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u/vreddtit 1 points 2020-03-13 20:34

tremendous!
to be in a perpetual freestyle of tensegrity at all times

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u/jd198703 1 points 2020-03-13 20:52

So you're trying to do this, BEFORE you can get silent.

It's doable, but you have to "cheat" by sneaking into dreaming a little, so as to reduce the internal dialogue.

Seems a very important moment to me. From my observations I am starting to feel that silence is really necessary BEFORE going into this looking for colors. I just notice that the dialogue interrupts a lot and blocks out a really deep shift. Maybe it would make sense to focus on silence alone for a longer time and with considerable skill to jump into colors gazing?

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-13 21:41

But don’t forget about power plants.

Those are used with people whose assemblage points are hopelessly fixed in place.

For some, they aren’t needed.

And women, don’t forget about that extra opening between their legs.

(I never do).

It lets in all kinds of influences.

Plus once a month, they go insane. Which means, their assemblage point is moving around all the time.

As a result, they might not even need to learn silence. They could just copy someone.
Hear about it, and do it.

I occasionally consult for witches.

Each time, I find that what they approached me for, wasn’t really what they were looking for.

So in the course of telling them the complicated procedures and hard work it will take to do what they want, they hear what that’ll let them do.

And they just do that, and go away. They only wanted to know WHAT to do, not how.

Also, even men can lull themselves into the second attention, with chanting, movements, meditation, or even just by having a fever.

If you can get absolutely silent, playing with colors will be very easy.

But if you can’t, and want to try anyway, that’s all that matters.

Trying.

If it doesn’t pay off, maybe you’ll go back to the chair.

But if it does, we’ll have gained something in here.

Knowing you don’t have to be as hardcore as I was.

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u/Sarihnn 2 points 2020-03-12 21:30

Thanks Dan! This stuff is wonderful to read. Especially when some of it is already in my practice :]

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-12 21:35

It's in everyone's practice!

It's all the same (magic and meditation types).

And I know what you mean about already in your practice.

22 years ago, Carlos banned me from reading his books.

So I missed the last 3 he was working on, just before he said that.

I think the stinker planned that, knowing I always obeyed him.

I worked like a dog, discovered some really cool stuff, and then someone wrote to me and asked a question I could not answer.

He said, "It's in those last 3 books somewhere."

I couldn't believe my eyes, when I saw that I'd independently discovered things only written in those last books.

If someone tells you, "You got to go to Banning! It's not as desolate as you think! There's a little candy shop, and behind it they have a great bar.

If you go there and find that, you know that guy really has been to Banning.

Carlos has certainly been to Banning.

(A desert joke about Anthropologists back in the 60s).

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-03-12 22:44

Everywhere she goes, it's "Cholita this, and Cholita that..."

I love the imagery this conjures up!

Also:

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/fd6yuk/-/fjghl38

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-12 23:45

Cholita's very fun, until she uses a heavy roll of butcher paper like a baseball bat on your body. And if you try to hold her arms to stop it, she bites.

I remember how disturbing "Second Ring of Power" was.

Carlos was warning us about what's going on right now. Scattered apprentices and how badly they can behave.

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u/canastataa 3 points 2020-03-13 10:23

This will be anecdotal personal experience post.

I started to notice the colors when bathing with the lights off. The warm water leads to deep relaxation, while at the same time engaging the attention into soaping and cleaning oneself. Relaxing (letting go of looking for problems) while at the same time being engaged is the recipe here. Strangely this state produces different overall view on how things are! Having a whole phrase for the thing in english is impressive - shower thoughts!

Once i try to find myself outside/above the ID, my attention locks on the body and the outside world . Any point of the body could ignite silence . It could be the whole body, the intestines , the inner organs or even the muscles (thats why i love compound exercises)

As Dan said : the more you emphasize silence the easier/baseline it becomes . This goes for any activity (even the problematic)

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-03-13 16:23

There's some buried reference to bathtubs in my memory. How to use them to activate the second attention.

I just can't recall where the advice came from. Maybe from Carlos, seeing as how he caused Kylie to be afraid of the bathtub.

Probably mostly, so there wouldn't be fights over the bathroom. Just having one Chacmool around (Cholita) is bad enough.

But if you think about it, if Kylie was supposed to be afraid of the bath, it has to be because something happens in there. And what could possibly happen, but the second attention activate?

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u/CruCial_Js 1 points 2020-03-13 16:44

Ay Chola, no te creas tan chula.
F i think im gonna catch hell for this.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-03-13 17:35

Ay Chola, no te creas tan chula.

Once in a while, I get a random text message from Cholita.

Like today: "How did you enjoy the Cherries?"

What cherries???? Did I miss something important? A flock of virgins?

But sometimes I get a more ominous message:

"I read some..."

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u/CruCial_Js 1 points 2020-03-13 20:36

Oh Schlitz!!
Its worth a good laugh

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-03-14 19:39

I've got another, but it's not actually a cheap trick.

And, don't anyone start moving their head back and forth until you have something to actually look at. If you want to try this, use a Tensegrity move which does it.

In private classes, Carlos demonstrated the part of long series unbending intent, where you look around up in the air, see something, recognize it as something you want, then jump up and pull it down.

Recognizing beckons intent. If a puff of purple color goes by and you notice it's not completely smooth, you're now beckoning intent.

And if you have the idea that a hypnogogic image might be on one of the puffs, the next one will have more details.

When you find a simple "have a nice day" type of face, you're all set. Just 2 dots and a smile is all you need.

Recognizing it as a potential face beckons intent. The next one you find might well be a fully developed image of a person's head.

So when doing tensegrity which calls for scanning with the eyes, while you turn the head and body slowly and smoothly, you're geared up to recognize something.

If you sit up on the bed looking left and right, very slowly and smoothly, you are recognizing that there is purple light which is not uniform, filling the room.

Or whatever color you found.

When you recognize that there's a concentration of details at one point, you can keep watching that, and dreaming scenes will materialize.

Not pointless dreaming scenes. Trust me on that one. Some will jump out and scare the shit out of you. So they're potentially "real things".

We just don't know what. But there's more than humans and inorganic beings out there. Just about every being is likely able to project a dream copy of itself for exploring, and possibly does that continuously, even when awake.

Now here's the interesting thing. Once you get "on a roll" recognizing things in the darkness, you've caught the interest of your Nagual.

I'm going out on a limb here, so if I'm wrong, let whoever figures it out explain where.

It's sort of like walking, or running, or peddling a bike.

You have to start the action, and maybe it's even painful. But once you're peddling along, it becomes automatic.

I guess you could say, it's that muscle memory part of the brain. He kicks back and says, "Oh. We're doing this over and over. No problem. "

And he frees you up to just use his repetition and focus your attention on something more important.

You can visualize this the next time you see the original Wizard of Oz movie.

Mr. DoubleTake is the Wizard behind the curtain.

But what we want here, is to be the wicked witch of the west, peddling along on her bike.

Her little legs are pumping hard, over and over, and her evilness is looking everywhere, for trouble to cause.

That's what we want. Get those recognizing legs pumping, then put some fierceness behind it, in your gaze.

Forget the moving, it's automatic. In fact, one day you'll find your head moving left and right on it's own, with you scanning for trouble using your gaze.

The same is true when you scan the darkness, using a gaze similar to recapitulating.

The sweep. Left and right, slowly.

But with the eyes open of course. We're trying to revive Carlos' reputation here. Closed eyes is not spectacular enough.

Keep that up, the slow gazing at the dreaming fog, and force the deepest silence. The success of this relies mostly on how deep the silence is.

Before, I likely advised you guys to take the next step, sitting up on pillows, after you've been silent in darkness for 2 hours and have gotten rid of the images too.

Walk around in inner silence, until you've even eliminated the jpegs.

Yea, there's jpegs stuck in our head. You can actually find them that way, as dream images of a jpeg on your computer screen, but maybe rotated at some odd angle.

Or not. That's a bit concrete, but it's also a way to deal with them. Actually see them, instead of being stuck inside them.

Just swipe them out of there.

Then, having deleted all the jpegs, you locate Mr. DoubleTake (that mechanism inside you which judges things good or bad), and put him to rest.

But, you don't have to do that, to get something super cool to happen.

Putting him to rest will stop the world.

Big deal.

You can turn Mr. DoubleTake into your slave!

Get revenge!

Put him into recognize mode.

He can't be a petty censorer of magic, if he doesn't recognize it when he sees it.

So just make him do it continuously.

With enough silence, the Nagual will pop out.

And you won't even be able to describe it.

But it's luscious, to borrow a phrase from Cholita.

"Luscious men", she loves to say on occasion, as we drive along. I never catch exactly who she's seen on the side of the road. But I'm sure he's just her type.

I've got to get her to be thinking, luscious nagual instead, one of these days.

For those who can't get a dark room, don't worry about it. You just have to find your own path, but it won't be much different.

When Carlos taught us to "read off the wall", he always did it in full daylight.

He could even glance down at his palm, as if he had notes written there.

In fact, for a very long time I thought he did.

He'd be talking, look at his palm, remember something, and the topic would change slightly.

I once tried to figure out exactly how many notes he had written there. But I always got lost in the lecture and forgot to keep count.

I'm going to have to talk Cholita into wearing that witches' hat, if she videos some tensegrity moves for me. We have to cover up her face. And it would be funny to see if anyone noticed the witch reference.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/80150068348844377/

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