It’s Time That I Face This

Hi everyone,

I may/hope that I have been guided here to find completion of whatever this journey I’ve been set on is.

That is all.

-Z

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u/monkeemagik 3 points 2020-04-12 23:16

Welcome we have been waiting for you. You can now leave.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-12 23:16

Ok

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u/monkeemagik 2 points 2020-04-12 23:17

Goodluck.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-12 23:18

Thank you.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-13 15:30

I welcome anyone serious about learning.

Read the wiki a bit, and remember. It's all about you. Not about someone else making it work for you.

You learn inch by inch.

But first find something to crawl along. Pick something.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-13 15:41

I am very serious, I’ll start with the wiki and see if something pops. Thank you. I am very grateful.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-13 16:52

Castaneda's recommendation was Recapitulation and Tensegrity for all new people. They build the attention and discipline which allow the rest to work as intended.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-13 16:54

I’ve been working on a form of recapitulation for quite a while now but Tensegrity is not something I’m very familiar with. Does anyone have any thoughts on Don Miguel a Ruiz’s books The Four Agreements and The Voice of Knowledge? I’m trying to practice what’s in those right now.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-13 17:25

He has a different intent behind his work than Castaneda.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-13 17:36

Ok, that makes sense. With that information, I think I’m going to finish reading The Voice of Knowledge and start reading all of Castenda’s works then. I’ve been learning about this stuff for a very rocky 12+ years and I’ve been a lazy fool/egomaniac about it until recently where many new things have come to light. I’ll be reading the sources in the about about Tensegrity and Recapitulation as well. I still need to find the right wiki Dan was talking about.

I have many questions. I’ll try to ask them patiently.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-13 18:14

Carlos said don Miguel was "riding on his back".

Meaning, separating people from their money, based on Carlos' writings.

Sorcery is very very very very difficult.

How could someone able to put in the effort needed, be so focused on other people and their money?

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-13 18:17

Interesting. I was unaware. Very fair point.

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-04-13 18:01

I've been thinking lately that recapitulation is an excellent path.

It's not good for me, because I'm trying to prove physical magic, to help restore Carlos' reputation.

Telling people, "Yea man, it was really cool!!! I was sitting inside this wooden box, and I had an amazing vision!!"

That's not gonna do it…

I have to limit myself to things that can, since there's too many things to do it all.

But for someone starting out, it might be the place to concentrate.

In recap you could learn lucid dreaming, waking dreaming, how to summon inorganic beings, how to open tunnels of light, and how to burn through reality with your gaze.

(Done those all myself.)

You could also explore why you want to learn sorcery, so you don't fall into the same trap with others, who had hidden motives.

Usually that amounts to neediness for attention from others, but I've run into people with very strange histories they only fixed with recap.

(Childhood abuse typically).

Taisha's instructions for recap seem to be more serious than my practices.

I can't recall if those got posted or not.

She treats each sweep as a complete movement from right to left, and back again, and seems to recommend to actually start with the head turned to the right. And likely end there.

She might have seen something I missed. That an incomplete pass leaves dust bunnies.

(Fibers of light that didn’t get sucked back, or exhaled completely.)

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-13 18:14

I would like to have a discussion and I’ll tell you in detail my journey up to this point if the spirit wills. I am unsure if I should share it publicly here or only privately on a case by case basis however. I’ll let you decide.

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u/danl999 6 points 2020-04-13 18:39

I had to give up direct chatting.

It kept bringing out the needy people, who if you don't keep giving them what they want, actually start to attack.

In that vein, be careful of the "my journey" idea floating around in your head.

I know that's very popular terminology, but it's a placebo.

A romantic notion that makes you feel better about yourself. It’s as if you are imaging a book deal for yourself, with thousands of admirers reading about how wonderful you are.

Like don Miguel.

Feeling better about yourself makes you less likely to put in the work required.

Cholita and I were in private classes with what she estimates to be 100 people, off and on.

They all quit. It’s just me and Cholita now, and she’s quite mad.

Nearly all had "my journey" floating around in their heads.

I'm still hopeful for 2 or 3 of them. And coincidentally, those are the ones who would rather puke than say, "my journey".

(I’m a contrarian, so don’t take it personally.)

There is of course the "path with heart" phrase.

It's a REALLY regrettable thing, that Castaneda people use that phrase so often.

It almost always means, that person has made no progress whatsoever.

It's what Carlos called, "mental masturbation".

There is a path with heart.

But it's doing real magic. The real magic is what gives the heart.

If you want to know what the heart part is, get yourself a little Fairy (an inorganic being you coax into a helpful form), and see how you feel when it poses on your hand.

And then actually smiles at you!

That's the path with heart.

Our bodies NEED magic, or they get out of wack and you feel horrible.

That's why "samadhi" is also known as "bliss".

All of us have gotten used to feeling horrible, so we don't even realize it.

Watch out for the placebos. The less comfortable and more insecure you feel in life, the more likely you are to practice so you can dig your way out of it.

It’s the homeless kids licking the food off the plates of customers as they leave, in the outdoor restaurant, who have the best chance to become “Men of Knowledge”.

Man of Knowledge simply means, you pursue learning.

And keep the mental masturbation to as low of a level as possible.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-13 19:24

Yes. I’ve been having encounters I believe as of late. None with fairies.

I want to learn properly this time.

I’ve identified the selfish/traumatic reasons for wanting sorcery. There were quite a few, I won’t elaborate.

My current plan is this then; don’t read any more of The Voice of Knowledge, pursue information on recapitulation, Tensegrity, and allies.

I am going to start with the about of this page on those subjects (if there’s an allies one) and see where it leads me.

Thank you

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-13 20:14

It's unlikely you'd find an inorganic playing a fairy, unless you read my writings on them, and it influenced them.

Typically they show up as demons the first few times.

A person who's around me a lot sees the Japanese Oni spirits (Japanese demons created by the death of murderers).

But I do highly suggest finding an inorganic being as fast as you can. There's no surer way to move the assemblage point very far.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-14 04:03

So the experience I had was this demon like scaled creature was trying to douse my campfire I use in my meditation in my mind. It attacked me after I made my presence known. The we kind of danced/battled I guess. I incapacitated it and it morphed in to a white dog. Then this glowing whitish blue orb appeared. It was like sucked in to it and then spit back out of it in to my hands. I didn’t know what to think so I ended my meditation.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-14 16:07

Inorganic being, more than likely.

But one time isn't enough to figure out what happened.

And, to be blunt, doing things like this with your eyes closed isn't very satisfying.

There are scores of people in subreddits with that kind of experience.

What you want, is to see it with your eyes open, and then later to see that the entity can actually move objects, proving it's not just in your head.

That seems to be automatic with inorganic beings, if they aren't merely phantoms. Playing with them causes them to somehow learn to move physical objects in your environment, even if you don't realize that's going to happen.

It's not a matter of pride (although it's ok to be happy about progress), to look for "real proof".

It's to change your view of the world.

That requires something you can't explain away.

My favorite example is the shamanism forum.

Everything in there is pretend. That doesn't mean it couldn't expand into something more substantial.

But there's no push to do that, because the leaders they learn from can't do anything substantial.

So they're almost like Zen practitioners, where their "enlightened" leader tells them, "Don't expect to fly to the sun!"

I've flown to the sun a few times. I can't imagine what's holding the enlightened Zen masters back.

Certainly not the Buddha's teachings.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-15 00:57

To check in, I’ve searched for rocks to help with silence and make power stones. I’ve left by a beautiful tree with a red lily at twilight. I will pick them up at dawn if they are ready, may take a few days.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-15 16:36

Be sure to remember to keep them safe, once you use them a bit.

They become power objects, imbued with your own intent.

A sorcerer could hold them, and get some kind of a grip on you.

On the other hand, that might be kind of fun!

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-15 17:06

Lmao. Well, it may be wishful thinking but hopefully no one who stumbles upon this will be intending ill will on me.

But yeah, could be fun too 😅

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-15 15:38

I’ve realized that this is probably a 3 day thing. I’m going to speak different intent in front of the tree at dusk today and then dusk tomorrow. First intent is silence. I attempted to invoke infinity and yelled “INTENT” while speaking silence in my head at dusk. Right after I did that, maybe 50 yards away from me, a loud explosion happened. It startled me greatly. Snow has appeared and I need to clean the little area around my stones. I seem to keep hearing about gardens and tending the garden. I am tempted to get permission to garden the area around the tree. It’s just so beautiful and everything around it is dead. The snow doesn’t help.

Last night I was looking in to soul retrieval. I was trying to reach my double. Probably not the smartest move in hindsight. It was surrounded by danger it seemed and was too scared to come out but the scene was familiar. It was just like my last night terror that I had where I was surrounded by war and all I could do is curl up in a ball and hide. That’s where I found myself... I attempted a rescue mission and was able to will “me” to (loudly and obviously) escape. Exhilarating, yet not smart... I was... scolded in some other language by a hooded person... Again, all in my mind but I had some physical sensation while I was doing it.

I feel I’m beginning to get a hold on intent but still not quite there (short backstory is I’ve been trying attempt entering this world since I was 16, I’m 30 now but as in one of your posts, men are the worst and I really was horrible. I’m still bad but I’m less destructive.)

I’m learning tempo as well. The world has it’s own tempo and I try to force to rush through it instead of trust.

Full recap is probably the way to go at this point, I’ve been avoiding it for years. It’s a daunting task.. is there a way to make it less daunting? I heard you recap your worst, most traumatic memories first and then do the lesser ones (one way to do it) the other way is write down everyone you’ve met. I’ve been doing it the first way.

Anyways, good morning! I hope you are well. Thank you

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-15 17:15

Again, all in my mind but I had some physical sensation while I was doing it.

There's nothing much wrong with "all in my mind". I just have a problem with it myself, because I need more physical evidence than that can provide, in order to restore Carlos' reputation.

But if you ever talked to a plant, and it answered, you know what "all in my mind" can be. It's a whole realm.

is there a way to make it less daunting?

I never had any bad experiences during recap, or even life memories I was afraid to add to the list.

So I'm not a good person to ask about that.

But I'd say, consider it dreaming practice. You're trying to light up your dreaming skills by using gazing and breathing and remembering.

And so at first, it's not all that important what you start with. You first need to even learn what recapitulating can do.

I'll give you a hint: Imagine you're in your comfy arm chair, recapitulating, and suddenly you find your chair is now transported to the Valley of the Saber Toothed Tigers.

You open your eyes, and they're all around you!

I doubt Carlos brought his chair with him, but I have a particular talent for bringing beds and chairs into other worlds.

Gotta have something comfortable to sit on there!

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-15 23:18

I’m going to have to practice that lmao. I failed pretty badly when I tried, it’s almost comical.
I do think I’m a dreamer though. I feel I am capable of both however because I was forced to learn.

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-04-15 23:26

> I’m going to have to practice that lmao

Taking your chair with you?

You won't be lmao. You have to have "equanimity" to do that. Or at least, a little.

Wait... Ok. None.

I guess you could lmao, if you went the lucid dreaming route to accomplish it. But you won't want to.

For waking dreaming, lmao is very bad.

It seems that in sorcery, there are usually multiple ways to accomplish something.

My favorite hobby is watching supernatural movies, and seeing if I can figure out "how to do that".

Sometimes it seems impossible. Crazy.

But a few hours later, it dawns on me how to copy it. At least, something that looks just like what they did in the movie.

And in the case of taking the chair with you, it's pretty easy.

However that doesn't mean it doesn't take a lot of time.

Sit with eyes closed, force silence. Keep it up until you can see the room with your eyes closed.

That's a very common meditation effect, so it's not barking up the wrong tree to expect that.

Try to repeat that as often as you can.

You'll "saturate".

When it's stable enough, just lean in on the chair and drive it right through the wall, like a car.

Careful! You'll almost surely have attracted a scout with that kind of move. It's too unusual for them to resist.

If you get the chair outside and sense a scout, learn to go faster! If it catches up, leave the chair, stare at a distant mountain, and continue the travel by zooming.

I'm afraid to say, at that point you'll be lucid dreaming, instead of dreaming awake.

The tricky part is, you can saturate that way, by learning to see the room, or you can learn to manifest objects by saying a word, and then returning to silence.

If you learn to do it that way, you'll likely find yourself standing in the room, when you thought you were in the chair.

Manifesting objects leads to sleeping dreaming because you keep moving your assemblage point to entirely unusual positions. Each movement is a risk to blanking out, which occurs because what you were focusing on before, no longer exists at the new position of the assemblage point.

So manifesting objects pushes you into lucid dreaming. Not waking dreaming.

Manifesting objects is like fly fishing. You toss your lure out into the water and it lands on a new spot.

Waking dreaming is like wading in with a net.

Seeing the room is waking dreaming. You activate the second attention using silence, and it "wakes up". Which means, it opens its "eyes".

It wades into the water.

Use those, seeing the room, or manifesting objects, to produce an "obsession".

That'll assure you that one or the other takes place.

Moving the chair by waking dreaming, or by lucid dreaming.

Obsession is past saturation.

You want to pass the 4 gates? Obsession, obsession, obsession.

That's why the only proven technique to increase lucid dreaming, is to ask yourself all day long, are you in a dream?

For lucid dreaming, you need obsession. But better to get it through silence, then by talking to yourself all day long.

Some part of your waking consciousness has to move down there, into your dreaming copy. Or you won't become lucid.

Normal thoughts won't be enough.

We all know, what shows up in our dreams, is often something we were obsessing over.

You don't need obsession for waking dreaming.

Because you're awake.

There's no need to move anything, anywhere.

I'd go back and read, "Being in Dreaming", if I wasn't banned.

The witches were masters of waking dreaming.

I bet there are some wonderful waking dreaming examples in there.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-16 19:51

My most pressing matter is silence currently. I went on a walk and was lead to find a strange leaf that didn’t have a lamina. I took it home with me. Have yet to know what to do with it..

Spoke a second word to the stones that I’m “charging”

I felt a presence by them last night but I think they’re undisturbed.

Being in dreaming, is that a subreddit?

I usually like to dive in to things and try the hardest stuff first, fail multiple times and quickly learn to succeed. I don’t know if that’s wise or foolish, but I have learned a lot introspectively so far. I’ve been having stuff happen that I would call luck, but yeah, it’s getting interesting.
I saw my life story, or at least a good chunk of it. 😅😰

I’ll bring a chair later 😎

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-17 04:15

I want to show a picture of the leaf because I feel it has significance... it also mysteriously disappeared soon after I posted this.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-17 23:24

It is this, this is where everything got messed up in me!

'From the above it should be clear that stepping into the unknown is an act which initiates the process of death, and the only way to do this safely is to embrace death. In other words, at this point in his or her training the warrior must be prepared to die to his or her old life in order to accommodate the transformational process. It is primarily for this reason that it is always stressed that the warrior must come to knowledge fully prepared to die, and that only if becoming a warrior is an act of survival will the apprentice be prepared to do what it takes to become a warrior.'

I was never a warrior and although I’m much closer to being one than I ever was, I still am not quite 100% there.

Sigh.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-18 20:59

Where is this from?

It's not true in any way.

You can be the most crummy bastard on earth (I have a student like that), and if you learn to get silent, you can step into other worlds.

We're already doing that! That's how we got here!

Of course, we had a little "assistance" by our parents on the specific selection.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-18 22:40

Damn. I got this from a Facebook group. I’ll get you the name of it. It was a quote from an author too. I’ll get you that name as well.

Well the quote made me feel slightly better about what had happened over the past 12 years but eh. It turns out I have multi-trauma one that uncovered itself today about me not being allowed to be myself... then the precluded anger carried for 20 some odd years

I’m working on the silence I swear 😬😬😬

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-19 02:21

I got it from the shaman circle, Toltec hands Facebook group

I think it’s from this book https://www.amazon.com/Mists-Dragon-Lore-Toltec-Teachings-ebook/dp/B01HCT84OU

The Facebook group that seems to be really good is NAGUAL

I want to be a good pupil really badly. I’m doing things and I have no idea if they’re right or wrong but if I get scared of my own thoughts, I can’t do anything right.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-19 15:53

So it was made up, and not ever in one of Carlos' books?

I thought it untrue because it sounds like the usual "impeccable warrior" cosplay.

That's where you go around saying things like that, to make yourself feel good about something you can't even do yet.

If that's not in the books, I'd stay away from that group like the plague.

Remember, sorcery is all about the mastery of intent.

You go down a fake road, and you've hooked to fake intent.

Which means, it'll be twice as hard to do anything.

No gifts.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-19 16:05

I’m usually really good at rejecting previous things that I put in to my brain. I just was drawn to it because I’ll be honest, I had my first manic (psychotic even) episode when I was 18 1/2 and ever since then the Casteneda stuff that I had learned was constantly spoken and forced into my brain by my own uncontrollable doing. I couldn’t make it stop. I had to learn how to do what I was saying to fix it. I saw eyes in the clouds and trees always looking at me. I would see what seemed like animations when I able to shut my brain up for a little while. That began 12 years ago
I’m extremely stable compared to any other point in my life now but I am on meds which probably prevent me from things in sorcery.
My biggest fear is being able to achieve dreaming and then dying or not being able to get back. It’s messing with my intent.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-19 16:42

Meds push the assemblage point a bit, using the body's design.

That's how they work. They're sort of power plants, in pure form.

They won't prevent sorcery. But they add something to it, which isn't actually useful.

For instance, marijuana in 100mg doses will surely produce hypnogogic images, if you lay in bed and relax. Not sure if you have to close your eyes or not.

But the hypnogogic images are not as useful as the ones you can produce without the drug.

In darkness, those will appear on puffs of purple light, and you can scoop them into your hand, blow on them, feed them energy by scooping it onto them (see Taiwan Chi Balls post), and turn the flat hypnogogic image into a 3D form, which seems to be solid.

They're "detachable".

The ones produced by marijuana seem to be part of a larger matrix. It's as if you're viewing a screen above you, and images can float along it.

I don't see how you could detach any and make use of them.

Maybe you could talk to the beings you see in the hypnogogic images, but they'll be scrolled out before you get a chance to look for a response.

You need to interact with them, to get anything cool to happen.

In the matrix, that's hard to do.

But there's probably a way. I just don't know it.

It's more like a limitation at that point, then it is helpful.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-19 17:59

Yeah, that’s my understanding as well. My first psychotic episode/manic episode and the next couple were all brought on by a combo of marijuana and aderal. They diagnosed me at a young age with ADHD and then I had to grow up on stimulants. Bipolar at 18 1/2, and finally CPTSD a few months ago which probably actually explains away any other diagnosis.
I’ve been sober from everything now except caffeine and the drugs that I’m required to take for almost 2 years. I can tell you the drugs I take but the general consensus is that my “hallucinations” are brought on by my emotions which I have always been extremely sensitive. They put me on a mood stabilizer for that. Antidepressant to prevent the mood stabilizer from overtaking everything, and a stimulant to help with the ADHD.
I’ve worked very hard with to understand my personal history and I think I’m done with the parts that were really holding me hostage which is what brought me here to this subreddit. Now, I have the rest, less serious stuff to work through.

My intent was to infuse this stuff in to music to help people around the world overcome what holds them back. I also wanted to be famous. I see how vain and horrible that is having attention like that. I was absolutely wrong in wanting to be famous. I ended up taking a 10 year psychotic vacation instead and that was how I learned the idea of “wrong reason, wrong result”. Now my intent is to be the best version of me that I can be and to truly live. To stop wasting time and hopefully have fun along the way.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-19 22:20

Last thing, I really want to meet longer than just a short time the guy I saw in my dreaming when I retook whatever was missing from me from my hellish night terror land that really wasn’t that hellish after seeing it as an adult... a playful person in a blue and white tiger mask and a dull green cloak with a hood. I want to thank him... and apologize for being so reckless haha... 😬

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-19 04:59

Also I was practicing with my stones today and I started seeing some weird flashes with my eyes open. Took a while to get there. Some whitish haze was in front of me too. Then it got really really hot.

Honestly, when I was completely off medication I would constantly before I go to sleep feel like I was slipping out of my body and I thought I was going to die and I would resist. I guess now I’m learning that that wasn’t something to resist...

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-19 15:57

Sounds like:

A. You're just talented.

B. Your assemblage point is flexible, possibly due to something not so good in the past. I know a woman who's assemblage point is super flexible, but it's because her mom used to give her LSD when she had a cold, at 12 years old.

C. You're somewhere in between being literal in your descriptions, and accepting daydreams.

When I was in Carlos' class, and doing as much as 6 hours a day of recap, any thought I had would manifest for me if I closed my eyes. But I was somewhere else, viewing it. The same way a 4 year old with a toy airplane can literally see it flying around, when he's in the bathtub. He sees it, but also, not really.

It's a grey area, and not quite the same as actually seeing the blobs of colors.

Almost, but not quite.

As a path, I don't know that one. It's more feminine to intuit seeing, rather than see seeing.

Howard Lee does that. He doesn't actually see what he sees, and yet he can describe it fully.

Which makes me wonder, how does he amuse himself?

I can summon the intent of sexy women, and they manifest for me right in the room.

Takes 3 hours of perfect silence (well, almost perfect) to get that sensitive, but it's very amusing when you can really see the things.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-19 16:09

My dad thinks my assemblage point isn’t sticky. That it likes to move. If anything, I’ve been practicing the opposite of moving my assemblage point for 12 years since I’ve been so scared lol. I thought the eagle was going to eat me. I think now I understand that it’s a little different and not so black and white. Also, the sexy woman thing, awesome haha.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-04-19 16:34

Last night, they were VERY bad girls.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-19 16:35

Bahahaha very nice

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-19 21:14

Oh, I never replied to the ABC

A: I would love to think I’m talented but I don’t know if that’s the case. How would we even compare? Do I need to know if I am as well? Does it matter if I am?

B: is probably true but I haven’t been able to see what I actually look like so I can’t observe. It’s something I’ve always wondered. I see bright outlines of people sometimes when I’m talking to them. A few times it started to become bigger but I always looked away after that happened.

C: What I was seeing was with my eyes open staring in my dark room. I can see the static of the picture I see always if I decide to focus on it. I see shapes usually squares or triangles that move across my vision in bunches sometimes with changing bold red, blues, and yellows inside them (saw it yesterday) and sometimes I see circles in the same fashion but their colors are more bland and are like shifting purples and beiges. Haven’t seen the bland ones in a while.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 15:03

Yea, it sort of does matter if you're talented.

It's so much work, that without at least a little talent, I don't believe anyone would do it. As evidence, I'll point out all private class students failed.

If they'd only put in the effort, they'd be in here posting with me.

Maybe that's why intent gifts us occasionally. It notices how hard we're struggling, and tosses us a bone.

But having talent is like knowing where to dig up a few bones of your own.

You can see all that in darkness?

So now, the thing to know is, your assemblage point is fixed here by the internal dialogue.

If you're thinking, "Man, that guy really pisses me off. I should have said..."

You're here. Right here. Where else does it make sense to have a thought like that?

In this world. So your assemblage point will move back here, so you can indulge in anger and self-pity.

You have to shut that off!

The colors will pull your assemblage point in the right direction. That's why we seek them out.

They're sort of like thoughts from the second attention. If you think those thoughts, your assemblage point moves over there, to make sense of them.

But sounds, sensations, heat or cold, coming from the second attention, would all work just as well.

What I'm saying is, unless you can silence your mind, all the talent in the world won't help.

Unless you're a woman. They only need to gaze, and try their best not to be fretting about whatever is obsessing them lately.

My first girlfriend was an amazingly talented witch.

I didn't know that at the time, even though I was a fan of Carlos' books.

The way I know that is, we were both practicing a mellow form of meditation. One where you simply repeat a nice mantra over and over.

I used to open my eyes to see how she was doing, and she was staring straight ahead, eyes open, completely blanked out.

At the time I thought, she isn't doing it right! She can't even manage to repeat the mantra for the 20 minutes the technique called for?!

But actually, she had super talent, and went straight into the second attention just because she altered her internal dialogue by repeating the mantra.

She didn't learn to get silent. All she needed was to interrupt the normal dialogue.

In your case, talent isn't enough, so you're screwed. Men have to learn to get silent.

But having talent means, the benefits of silence will be easy to observe.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-20 15:17

Well, yeah, of course having talent is helpful, silly me. My dad has talent I think. I believe I’ve struggled for many reasons but a big one was because I was resisting everything and was traumatized. Now, since I’m not fighting it, interesting things are happening.

I was reading your shifting perceptions notes and I had come to similar conclusions about silencing the internal dialogue and I pretty much recap on site (without the movement which is probably why it took so long as you said dust bunnies). To have someone reinforce that theory I had makes me feel much better.

So last night, I wasn’t using my stones, I decided to try to get back to seeing things. I had my eyes closed this time. I was achieving silence a lot more frequently and then recapping nudging thoughts, and I did it for what seemed like a while. I had scenery flash before my eyes. Faint purple “clouds” in my vision that didn’t seem to dissipate. I had some weird vertigo moments (I usually resist those and I didn’t this time) one of them was like feeling like I was doing a forward cartwheel. I let it happen and that’s when I saw like forest scenery for a split second. I was getting so excited and determined.

My gf was asleep next to me and eventually as I was getting closer and closer to something, I could feel it, she rolled on me and laid on me and I found it harder to do the things I was trying to do. Then in her sleep and said “it’s not a sprint, it’s more like a marathon” in her sleep.

I took that as a, calm down Zac, maybe you’ve done enough for tonight.

But I was super excited for sure. Things were happening that I wanted (unpredictably) vs things that I didn’t want happening. I was eventually in this mental place with faint, fragmented, and incoherent internal dialogue along with me quickly shifting through many of my memories. This started happening after she laid on me and kind of pulled me back I guess.

I hope this is a good thing!
🤩🥳

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 16:36

Sure, but you have to do that hundreds of times to get anywhere.

Just make sure you don't set up a sorcery looking web page, and charge people for lessons now that you can do something on demand.

You don't have anything to sell, until you realize why taking other people's money is the kiss of death for a sorcerer.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-20 17:08

No, I’d never do that. My belief is that this stuff is too important to not share. Charging for it is ludicrous in my mind. It doesn’t really make sense. Even in my idea of adding psychology and sorcery to lyrics and music, I wanted to give it away for free and get it in front of as many people as possible. I would make money other ways like by merchandise and shows. Or by saying that if people think it’s worth something, they can pay what they think it’s worth. Otherwise it’s free.

With that respect, I was wondering how it ends up being the kiss of death. I definitely see what’s fundamentally wrong with it but are there other energetic issues that I’m not seeing?

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 17:28

It's the mindset. Obsession with other people, with sales, with all the stuff that goes along with it.

I can smell a book deal mindset in the people here.

It's a syntactic command. A trap to pull you back to the first attention.

A better analogy would be, a small child obsessed with getting a certain toy you have.

He can be sweet, reasonable, even have seemingly normal interactions with you.

He'll lie right to your face, saying, no. He isn't interested in that toy. He might even believe that.

But you know, all he cares about is that toy.

Even if it destroys his happiness to get it.

The music is 50% book deal. Be careful.

Obsession with attention from people is the kiss of death for learning sorcery.

You have to want to learn sorcery. You can't have another goal in mind.

(Mostly).

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 18:01

Yeah. That explains a lot. I wanted to learn sorcery when I was younger. I felt I was on a path to it actually. Then it backfired because I wanted to learn sorcery and then bunch of other conflicting things as well. Things that were buried in my psyche. Traumas.

I’ve found myself questioning quite often if I even want to continue pursuing music as a career. It doesn’t seem to be the case anymore if I’m being honest with myself. I want to have fun more than anything right now. I want to be the best version of myself. I want to be completely healed and open to the realm of possibilities. Allow the ebbs and flows of the universe to guide me. That’s what I feel I want currently.

My version of fun really isn’t attention and adoration from people anymore. That was inputted in me. That was an addiction. This stuff, like what happened last night, was some of the most fun I’ve had in a while.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 18:18

YES!!!

Exactly.

We all have stockholm syndrome from our parents.

We're obsessed with our captors.

Other people.

That's why don Juan told Carlos to check into a dingy hotel, with a brick wall out one window, and a filthy street out the other.

And stay there, until he didn't care about having the company of other people.

I got lucky. Autistic people are creeped out by other people.

I never had to learn that lesson, thus I was never interested in book deals.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 19:11

I apparently have self image issues still haha.

Dan, personal question, did you ever have to pay Carlos for the workshops? Or did he just get everyone together.

If it’s out of bounds, I understand.

I’m just kind of in a situation that I’m interested in that info.

Apparently I’m a 2 prong 😬

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-04-20 19:16

I paid for workshops (I flew all over, and attended all but one).

But not for private classes. Of which there were far more.

Cholita paid for nothing.

The whole point of the workshops was to fund Cleargreen.

Carlos didn't need money, but he had a bunch of women depending on him.

He held private classes for at least a decade before I got in, and he didn't charge for those either.

Not sure where the people went, but undoubtedly they gave up, like everyone from my crop.

Don't get me wrong about the "book deal mind".

Once you really are a sorcerer, there might be a good reason to charge.

But until then, it's a really ugly thing to do.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 20:14

Yeah, as I’ve been searching in other outlets as well, I’ve seen that the book deal mind is everywhere. :(

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 20:27

Carlos called it, "The Flier's Mind"

He invented a mythical creature to provide us with a "worthy opponent".

Everyone in private class knew he just made that up. He didn't even try to do a good job. He lied right to our faces, in such a way, we'd know it was a lie.

But oddly, now days no one recalls that part of it.

For cleargreen, it was a money making promotion. Young people still write to me 25 years later, terrified their developing schizophrenia is caused by those fliers.

But I know why Carlos did it.

Students suck.

Any excuse you can find to criticism them, without directly pinning the blame on their self-pity and anger filed egos, is a bonus tool.

He had Kylie convinced water was harmful to her, in order to make bathroom sharing easier.

He convinced Reni that sugar was evil so he could complain when they were behaving out of control. There's always some sugar in your recent past.

She's so convinced that her COVID19 message to followers is to avoid sugar.

Interestingly, I just heard from the Taiwanese Bosses' son, that the monks over there are getting fat.

To avoid getting fat, they have to stop eating at 5PM.

But after 5PM, they're allowed beverages.

I'm afraid, they're going for the Big Gulps.

That's what's wrong with sugar. It's easy to consume calories.

It doesn't suppress your ability to fight a virus. It doesn't make you hyper.

Both ideas have been fully discredited.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 21:30

I typically use stevia now when I can instead of sugar. Soda is one of the worst things out there. Empty calories, chemically engineered, etc.

It’s funny, I actually thought fliers were causing schizophrenia as well for myself. You are meeting me at what I would call the end of that phase of my life thankfully :).

As for covid, I’ve tried creating a barrier for myself to prevent infection. I have no idea if it’s working and it seems when I go to check on the barrier it’s always halfway dismantled and I have to rebuild it. I had created a barrier to protect myself from beings and dangers as well when I was younger but I’m learning to trust more through these practices. I’m pretty sure it’s relatively dismantled.

I was told that I need to let go of my image of self
I was also told that I needed more energy. That all of the things I’m really trying to do right now are great, but they won’t happen if I don’t get more energy.

I’m also being semi obsessed with the ideas of prongs and chambers in the luminous cocoon. I feel that I need to let it go and that it’s part of that image of self. I don’t quite understand just yet but I think I’m getting it.

Lastly, I’m being told that I need to take it a little more slowly. Opposite of my personality which likes to dive in head first

Also,
what Cholita said is hilarious.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 21:49

Also, what Cholita said is hilarious.

You don't know the half of it.

How about, "You looking at my pussy??? Or is it my titties you really want? How about this?"

Tongue wiggles in the middle of her mouth, like a 1960s Mexican sex bomb.

"I know you, you miserable bastard. Perverted old man!"

I keep trying to explain, I'm celibate.

So it changes:

"So, you can't get it hard? Or is it because no women would have anything to do with you???"

I've put pics of my many young girlfriends on my phone, so I can threaten to show her. Each one calling me every year or two, to see if they can come live with me.

"Then take your pick!", she says. "Or I'll find you a mate."

Which she tries to do, in the grocery store. She goes up to anyone she finds suitable, and gives them a sales pitch.

"You're just his type", she says. "He likes Asian women. Boobs are a little off for him, but you'll do."

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 22:10

What a good friend!!! Hahaha. That’s great. I wonder if the day will come when I can give up sex

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 22:32

I don't believe it's the sex you have to give up.

It's women.

I had a talented student. He doesn't need me anymore, but there's no guarantee he'll continue.

I emailed him something Carol Tiggs said about the difference in how women learn, vs men. I was hoping, some day he'd teach in my place, in case no one else puts in the effort to learn enough.

His wife didn't like it.

So she had him attack me. She reprogrammed him on the spot, and he didn't even realize it.

He told me to toss out Cholita (she'd die), and find a "good" woman.

It's probably the relationship that's the issue, not the sex.

Women who show an interest in sorcery seem to ALWAYS looking for a relationship with a spiritual man.

We might have an exception or two in here. Or it could be the wisdom of age.

But the ones I keep talking to, who are still not old, are always like that.

It's not a problem. They intuit that's the fastest way for them to learn.

But they'll overwhelm and re-purpose the men.

There were men still in cleargreen when Carlos died.

They got overwhelmed. They should have led the women into controlled power, but instead they faded away.

Carlos' ally taught me about that. Told it to me through the voice of seeing.

Or at least, he watched. Not sure how much he helped, other than to keep my assemblage point in the right place long enough to get the answer from seeing.

Women re-purpose men. That's what they do.

Not that we usually mind!

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 22:36

My girlfriend did repurpose me a lot haha, but in the right direction. Now I resist a lot of her. She’s not in to this stuff at all. Just the stress of the relationship sometimes can take its toll. She tries to take control of the relationship and everything, but you can’t control something that is completely free. That’s how I treat her anyways. Free to leave or free to stay. I’ll live either way

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-21 01:38

Interesting. I’m quite aware that. How does it overwhelm a man? Maybe I already know the answer to that if I dig in to my exes... this one women. I knew she was so powerful and capable. She ended up enchanting me and destroying me. I refuse to let that happen again haha.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-21 07:02

Gotta be honest, tonight is not sitting so well with me. I see like black streaks from the left corner of my eye. It looked like it wanted to envelop me. Then I felt a sharp prick in my back like the tip of a blade. I don’t understand why. I also saw a purplish orb for a split second. I wasn’t really trying to do anything either.

I think I received an answer from this. My will is not impeccable yet. I had too much doubt and I felt I didn’t have enough energy

Not only that it happened after I decided something. And then later this morning, I came to the same decision and I don’t think I’ll hat that decision is the right path. I ended up breaking something by accident

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-21 17:02

Being afraid, or thinking you got injured trying to meditate, is "the fliers mind".

I never had it. I'd love for something to prick the back of my neck!

How wonderful!!! Even better if you bleed, or it leaves a scar.

That's called, "physical proof".

In my experience, people have all kinds of excuses not to learn.

Some want to learn "the right thing", so they never learn. They spend all of their energy pondering how right they're going to be.

Some want to be known to have learned, by their peers. So they can take their place as "Dr. Strange".

Don't you just hate doctors, who insist you have to use that bizarre title?

Insecure much?

Then there's the type of work avoiding sorcery student, who makes up things to be afraid of.

Problems.

I suspect they just want attention, and their mommy only gave them attention, when they cried.

Don't be like that. Even if you are.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-21 17:04

I am like that unfortunately, I am aware of it and am constantly stalking myself to break that habit. Last night just put me in a panic. After I woke up this morning I understood and knew that I shouldn’t be afraid but I probably need more power first. I think it’s related to me trying to move too quickly.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-21 17:23

You can't break that habit.

I'm an angry bastard, because my mom is a paranoid schizophrenic, like Cholita. But she's high functioning, Cholita is completely dysfunctional.

And now homeless hundreds of miles away.

I can't change the effects of my upbringing.

But I can get silent, so that it's only an interesting reminder not to go back to being like I was, by resuming an unchecked internal dialogue.

You HAVE to be silent all day long. Not just try for a half hour each day.

But trying for a half hour each day causes you to understand what needs to be done, so that some day you get fed up, and just stop it.

"How to See Energy in Three Weeks" explains how that feels as you do it.

Once you have achieved it, you get to spend a portion of the day in heaven.

And in dark realms of magic, at night.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-21 19:21

so that some day you get fed up, and just stop it.

One of the fears most people have with regards to mental silence is if they don't constantly fuss over and remind themselves of their past they'll somehow lose themselves; their identity or memories.

"We've collectively become more concerned with having than being," to quote Morgan Freeman in Lucy (2014).

Our past doesn't ever disappear. Every single thing we, or even a wombat 10,000 years ago, has ever done or thought or felt...is forever part of the cosmic ledger; right down to the most superficial of details.

Silence is getting practiced at dropping our attachment to the mass of our life history, not the history itself. That can NEVER be lost to us. Our own bodies are the key, and the fabric of the universe the storage medium.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-21 20:35

they'll somehow lose themselves; their identity or memories.

Memories, no. My russian has come back to me surprisingly well. I was watching a movie that had some scenes in Russia, and I could read the street signs and follow the dialogue.

That's because I could get silent, so I could find those memories easily.

I memorized 6000 Russian words, in order to learn that language. But I never got to stay in Russia for more than a couple of weeks, which is not enough time to retain the language.

Being silent makes it easier to look up memories.

Lose your identity?

Wouldn't you want to????

I suspect, if all goes well, the stuff in here will become history, and scholars will discuss it.

I hate to tell some of you, you're going to be on the buffoon list.

I know because I can see it, but also the Taiwanese Bosses' son occasionally glances at some of it, and comes to ask me who that idiot is, and why can't he see what is obvious to everyone else.

He'll forever be the noisy internal dialogue guy who just never got it, no matter how much help he or she got.

Or, it could all fail, as it did with Carlos.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-21 21:14

Lose your identity?

Wouldn't you want to????

One of the most poignant questions we can ask ourselves is "Who would you be if you forgot who you were?"

If you're practicing sorcery, it doesn't remain a hypothetical postulate...finding out what's under all the socialization and real or manufactured trauma.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-21 21:37

I can answer that to a large extent. From being around Carlos a lot, and from being able to get fully silent (after 3 hours).

You turn sort of "zeny". You become what seems to be somewhat intolerant, but the intolerance is of noisy thinking and fussiness.

You have peace, but if you get around someone normal all they want to do is fuss and talk and vent.

And if you try to fix that, you seem rather preachy.
Preachy in a way that seems arbitrary to them, unless they hang out with you for several years.

Then they start to get it, and one day they actually say, all by themselves:

The entire world is insane!

So here's what it was like for Carlos, arriving to private class.

He looked out, and realized, they're all hopeless. Crazy, angry, bullying, stuck up, and not here for what they claim.

He called it, "Mental Masturbation", and if you read the comments in this subreddit, you'll see plenty of that.

People even get angry, and insist you have to masturbate in a way that satisfies them too.

Each has their own, "special technique".

Some want to be "embraced" while masturbating. Some want to discuss nuclear physics.

Some get turned on by unicorns (it's the horn).

But Carlos made the best of it. He was a stalker.

At each workshop where he saw me on arrival, he'd come over and give me a big hug.

I suspect he knew, I hated that...

Other's loved it. Especially the women.

Or the men with book deals on their mind. You could hear, "Cha-Ching$$$$$" when he gave them a hug.

It had a side effect benefit I kind of liked, although Carlos took the fun out of it by telling us to be celibate.

If you got hugged by Carlos at a workshop, later on there would be beautiful young women standing around you in a little circle, smiling.

It was pretty obviously, "take your pic and give it a shot".

Everyone is there for something other than they say or believe.

It's almost like they all claim to be impeccable warriors on a quest for freedom, but in fact they're coming because there's a Churros vendor in the parking lot.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-22 05:40

My gf thinks I’m preachy all of the time. I don’t understand, but she gets offended if she drops an egg on the floor.

You had me at the last sentence bahahahahaha.

I’m definitely going tell my friend of 10 years that he mentally masturbates.

Also, fun stuff today. I had to work through another trauma. Very painful one that I didn’t even know I had. The other ones I had had hints about, this one was buried so deep and I believe has to do with why I was so scared. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Definitely wanted to see the meteor shower tonight but everything is overcast. Saw a very large and detailed tiger face in the clouds though. It was trying to tell me something but I don’t think I picked up what it was..

I was told I was definitely low on energy, that I was a two prong/chamber (I thought this was normal). The person said 2 chamber is rare, one chamber is normal so idk what to believe now.
Since that thing I told you about with the darkness that kind of freaked me out, I was shocked by everything I touched today, static wise. Also, where the sharp point touched me hurts really badly if anyone touches the area. I have no idea what’s up with either of those things.

Finally, I know I don’t say it enough, thank you thank you thank you 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-22 15:52

It was trying to tell me something but I don’t think I picked up what it was..

You worry me a teeny bit with this kind of thing.

But fortunately, you have a nice thick skin, and don't get offended.

That makes it easier to help you out.

We had a guy in class, a tall European man, very stiff, very handsome.

The women loved him.

He was obsessed with omens.

And with being a "warrior".

He failed to learn even the tiniest thing. He spent all his time pacifying his mind with omens and such.

Or pondering what kind of lineage he could belong to, the sort of mental poison coming from Armando.

BUT, I must admit, you do get confirmations from the environment.

It's intent, trying to steer you in a helpful direction.

Just, be a little careful about thinking everything is trying to tell you something.

That's one of the symptoms of schizophrenia.

Cholita does that to me all the time. If I cough she says, "Oh, so you're saying I'm sick in the head?"

(I miss Cholita badly.)

Also, where the sharp point touched me hurts really badly if anyone touches the area.

Yea, but doesn't that make a cool story to tell people?

Witches in the Eastern Bloc commonly suffer from injuries inflicted by their necromancy demon.

I have no idea how that works, but I experimented with one and told her to just let the demon kill her.

Instead of being nasty, it started being friendly.

Sounds like an IOB to me.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-22 20:44

You’re probably right. Yeah I used to think everything was a sign and everything was related to me. The way I see it now is if I notice it, I might get something from it but I have to approach it from silence. If I can’t do that then it’s probably trauma or bad data that I’ve inputted into my brain.

Essentially, if I didn’t get it then, I’m not going to try to get it now. If it’s important, it’ll come back and make me get it.

I remember that story of Casteneda running from an IOB until he stopped fearing it. Next time, if it appears, I will allow it. I was a little worried because I was told I was low on energy and I thought I wouldn’t be able to protect myself if push came to shove.

I know that that isn’t correct, the tonal is protection in and of itself.

Next time for sure. I was really close to letting it interact with me.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-04-22 20:52

The IOBs can in fact kidnap you.

They've threatened with me before.

Of course, I find it hard to believe you can't come back. I'd have to see that to believe it.

I believe, though Carlos never said this, they need an invite.

Or, you have to be too stupid to resist.

A good analogy would be, if the kidnapee were a teenage girl, they'll do you, if you give them permission.

But you also can't lie naked on your side with only your panties on.

That's an invite too.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-22 20:54

Yeah it didn’t feel safe. Idk what it was and I don’t like things that try to hurt me haha. Okay. Thanks for the heads up.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-23 02:57

I’m sorry about Cholita. I feel I’ve fixed the schizophrenia in myself. I’m finding that with recapitulation, bits and pieces of my agreements and beliefs were basically slowly augmented in to a separate reality and it took a final agreement to snap it all in to place. Suddenly I was in a panic state with insane chatter. I had to get reset to get out of it. If I could fall asleep, take a sedative, anything really that could bring me back. The only way I was able to fix it was with meds and then constant self evaluation/recap whenever something popped up that made me psycho. I had to immediately take care of it on the spot. Like your 3 weeks to silence except I was less thorough. Also, when I was put in to a mental institution, I ended up helping many come back to reality. I’ve always had that gift. I just struggled to do it for myself. I always heal people around me.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-23 16:46

I feel I’ve fixed the schizophrenia in myself

I've been reading about it. It is in fact possible to get better, but usually that means some form of meds.

I happen to think, you could just learn to remain in heightened awareness to solve it.

But it's difficult to stay there all the time.

And it could turn out, schizophrenia is actually useful for sorcerers.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-23 17:08

Well, my current theory is that I stumbled on heightened awareness before recap and all my traumas, ego, and other bad perceptions came in and wreaked havoc. I am currently on meds and due to my practices they seem less and less necessary. I will not experiment with them however unless I’m being watched and it’s doctors orders.

In the heightened awareness, or whatever it was, I had seen what I thought was how the world worked, how “god” worked. How everything has a purpose. I saw how perfect it was, and then a part of young me, who had made many a bad conclusion due to a trauma, believed that if something is perfect, it’s too perfect which means that if it stays the way that it is, my loved ones will die, everyone will die, and that I had to save everyone. It wasn’t a rational or conscious thought either, it was like a switch flipped. And it panicked me to hell for the next 10 years until I finally got a hold of myself due to a woman absolutely resisting my ability to heal and destroying me in the process which has now lead me to here.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-23 17:14

Certainly your assemblage point shifted.

But to talk about heightened awareness as if it was a single position is just a liberty I take in here, because getting too complicated would cause confusion.

I suspect one of the witches, or Carlos, reading how I talk about heightened awareness, would cause a big sour look on their faces.

But we got nothing guys! No time for snobbery.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-23 17:18

Okay fair. I shouldn’t talk about it like I understand it either. All I know is it put me in panic mode, I saw/verbalized patterns all around, then freaked out every time I verbalized, and it overloaded me.

I have been in that state recently a couple times. I was able to stay mostly silent and the fear didn’t follow. Not at all where I was before

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-23 14:34

I had another question about silence. Tried to recap a song last night and some interesting things happened. The whole song played through my head and a lot of random memories were sparked as the song progressed.

I was just wondering if when doing the silence thing, since I struggle greatly with trying to stop music playing in my head, that’s technically not true silence right?

And if so, as much as music is such a huge part of my life and I love it more than anything (I am a musician after all) I may have to do multiple recaps on the songs playing through my head by just listening, feeling, and doing the head movements/breathing?

I guess I already know the answer to this.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-23 17:05

that’s technically not true silence right

Yes. Sorry. I get stuck with a song once in a while too.

And the colors in darkness are a tenth as spectacular with a song playing.

It's not impossible to work around it though.

Consider that all meditation systems work by altering the internal dialogue. With mantra, or whatever.

So just a song is as good as any meditation system which fails to lead to perfect silence.

The song doesn't entirely prevent colors. I can vouch for that from experience.

And watching those will move the assemblage point.

When it gets far enough, the song won't matter anymore.

So, music is like a ball and chain around your leg. But not a heavy one.

About recapping music.

If you can actually hear it, I mean, so well that you want to get up and find out which radio you left on...

That's coming from the second attention. Quiet the mind, and just listen. As long as you can.

Every second you hear will move the assemblage point a little further.

Every thought that comes back, will move it back towards normal.

So you want to be an "impeccable listener".

Probably all teenage girls know about putting on the head phones, and drifting into daydreams. It could even become a form of witchcraft, if someone was serious about it.

But music from the second attention is fully equivalent to colors in darkness, although I sure do enjoy things being visual.

Imagine literally having the power of Tony Stark, with his virtual computers floating in front of him, and his hands swiping the air to make them change.

I can do that now!

So if you're listening to music you can actually hear, try changing the station!

That would be really cool if you could figure out how to do it. Maybe every song you ever heard, is in those radio stations coming from the second attention.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-23 17:13

That excites me greatly. I can already for the most part play music in my head at will. I just can’t get it to stop. It keeps repeating parts. Also, it hasn’t happened in a while now and I think it’s due to meds, but what you’re talking about, I’ve had that experience many times except it’s never a song I’ve heard before. I try to grab it. Before it’s too late and it always dissipates. I really want to be able to retain that music as a gift but I can’t seem to bring it to actual life. It’s always missing it’s glory, missing so many parts. Maybe I get a verse and it’s gone when I try to document it.

It’s so beautiful when it does happen though. So pure. One of the best feelings

🤔

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-23 17:24

I hope you learn to transcribe music you never heard before, coming from the second attention.

It's no different than Carlos using his hand to read text from "the wall".

It's a form of seeing.

But make sure you really hear it. It worries me when "it's in my head".

That's not black or white, and certainly if it feels very different, it's good.

But there's so much room for all of us to put on the purple Fezz, and join a bizarre new "lineage".

Sobriety. That's why don Juan emphasizes that.

I guess I'd fall into the category of sobriety having become an enemy now.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-23 17:59

Yeah. That music sounded like it came from outside. Like a whole orchestra surrounding me. Or a rock band. Whatever the pieces instrumentation was. I can tell the difference and it definitely hasn’t happened for a while.

I’d love to be sober, but I have the meds my psychiatrist gives me and coffee that I’m currently addicted to. Coffee I can definitely quit, the meds, I have to wait still... I just don’t want a repeat of what I was suffering previously

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-23 18:09

I still do have this sense of self I’m holding on to. Can’t quite grasp the concept but I’m starting to see it I think..

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-25 16:02

So!

Last night I made further advances :):):)

I was gazing and trying to be silent. I saw the purple start trying to appear and I kind of allowed it instead of focusing on it. Suddenly, I couldn’t stop it, the ceiling and everything around it started getting a purple hue. Black shadows moved quickly across the walls, I started seeing little white lines emerging from the static as well. What I can only assume is a whorl appeared for a split second. And I had a short interaction with something. I could see it/feel it at the foot of my bed waiting for me to interact. Waiting for orders almost it seemed.

It was quite an experience. I then decided to go to sleep because I could feel something nagging at me in my mind that I couldn’t shut off. An irrational fear of being responsible for deaths of people and inorganic beings. I want to recapitulate that now that it popped up in my head again.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-25 17:43

I started seeing little white lines emerging from the static as well.

Those are for changing worlds, or as Carlos put it, "Assembling another world".

Colors are for capturing inorganics and redeploying energy, the fine white lines are for traveling.

Haven't found a use for the black, but I'm sure there is one.

And don't anyone build a new inventory in their head, based on what I write.

It's just motivational. Plus, if I didn't write down what I do most nights, I'd completely forget in a few months.

But what happens to you, is unknown. Carol Tiggs even said so.

As far as I know, some of you might see plaid colors predominated by green.

No one can really say what will happen to each of you individually.

An irrational fear of being responsible for deaths of people and inorganic beings.

If you didn't have schizophrenia, I'd say that's the "fliers mind" trying to talk you out of it.

That kind of stuff (creepy goings on), is associated in the mind with fear. And then the internal dialogue starts to produce those kind of negative feelings.

My guess: Everyone will have that happen to them. They'll have to just keep practicing, until something in you figures out it's fun, not scary.

Except the women. I never know what the women will go through.

I suspect, the story of Josefina's experience with Zuleica, is very prophetic.

Carlos had to work like a dog, possibly for months. We just don't know, but if I had to guess, he's got 1000s of hours into trying to merge his energy body with his physical body, by sitting in the darkness with Zuleica.

Josefina just swished into the colors and disappeared.

My guess is that she only has dozens of hours, and probably the first ones, with La Gorda, she wasn't really trying. Probably she was just enjoying the fuzzy pajamas.

Some women only need to make up their mind to actually travel into the second attention, and off they go.

Its' just that, they're too per-occupied with other things.

Cholita for example is 2300 miles away, homeless. And likely she's chasing an internet boyfriend.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-25 18:11

Do me a favor:

If you see the white lines again, get up. Go look at some closely.

Even better, try to find them on the bedsheets.

See if you can figure out where one is actually located.

I never can. They're right there in front of me! I could even estimate how many I see in a few feet wide circle.

But I can't figure out where a single one is located.

Also, see if they don't have a little echo. I won't describe it for you, but look closely to see if there aren't actually 2 lines, not one.

As for the purple stuff, please describe it better.

Was it like a light shining from a window onto your wall?

Did it have texture?

Was it clumpy?

Was it only "out there", or did it fill the entire room to some extent?

Also, if you gaze at it, and find a way to make it brighter, do you sense heat somewhere? Behind the eyes, or in the head?

By heat I mean, people as children see that color when they have a fever, or are about to pass out.

If you stand up super fast in your 40s, it's common to get dizzy. It's something to do with how the body ages.

Anyone who's stood up way to fast, will know about having to stoop back down. A sort of blackness comes over you, and in extreme cases you see the purple.

Is yours like that?

It can also be very pleasant, not uncomfortable as I described.

When it's pleasant, it's like bliss in the air.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-25 18:37

It was pleasant and deep yet dull purple, almost like there was tv static in it fading the color a bit. It covered the ceiling and the whorl, black shadows, and colors/shapes were all inside it. It was more like a projection on a wall to a different world almost. I feel that’s where it would’ve went if I continued. It was flat, but I would think that the texture would be kind of lumpy yet soft if it was a solid thing. If I continued, I almost feel like I would’ve been able to walk through it if I could walk 90 degrees upward on air through my ceiling. I feel like it would’ve been warm but felt like a combo of a cloud and a membrane.

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Well, I’m not sure actually now that I’m remembering it. I just felt like if I kept watching I could’ve interacted with it and I’m imagining how it would’ve felt to interact with it. That’s my imagination. Rick and Morty portal gun idea I guess maybe...
Factually,
It was staticky with those little white slivers in it and a whorl appeared for a split second I think. And I saw a blue ball in the other corner of my room for a sec and when I focused on each of them, they disappeared. The purple just seemed like a projection but not in a square like a normal projector. It was fascinating. Everything else that I was mentioning was what I felt would happen.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-25 20:21

Everything else that I was mentioning was what I felt would happen.

in other words, your intent

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-25 21:58

It's very challenging, and probably foolhardy, to try and describe intent at length. Each person becomes familiar with it in their own way.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-25 21:59

I kind of had that feeling and it’s been nagging me since I posted it.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-25 22:57

I understand.

This is in regard to both of your comments.

Thank you. As I try to be impeccable, every day/moment seems to be a learning experience.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-26 01:36

It was pleasant and deep yet dull purple, almost like there was tv static in it fading the color a bit.

So, you can use that to intercept dreams. Maybe it needs to be a little more course, but if it’s not smooth that’s “details”.

Details let you focus your attention on specific spots in the room.

I’m assuming you’re doing this eyes open.

If closed, it’s still cool but you’ll tend to blank out too soon. The coolest stuff happens past the 2 hour mark, and you’ll never get there with your eyes closed.

My purple stuff evolved over time.

Cholita's the one who turned it into purple static.

It was originally vague bluish lines in the air, like dust bunnies. It was too faint to be sure I was seeing it, and I felt guilty for a while, manipulating it with my hands, and blowing to see if I could make it brighter.

But later it turned to intense purple blotches floating “out there”.

And when I got those, I remembered I’d been seeing them since I was a child, but lost the ability shortly before adulthood.

After the blotches, the purple light organized as bars of light, going up and down at all angles.

And finally, purple static.

“Dreaming fog”, is an apt description.

It’s interesting that the witches spoke about always starting entry to the second attention from some fog.

And there was also the “wall of fog” in the books.

Maybe when someone brings you in, and it’s not by your own power as it is with us, you see it from outside.

Like a wall.

But if you invoke it yourself, you’re inside already.

Who knows?

This is a good time to point something out.

“Book experts” drove Carlos and Carol nuts.

They’d actually argue “fine points” with them, based on the books.

So don’t be a “book expert”, and look a gift horse in the mouth, because it’s not what you expected.

Anything “cool” is correct.

There’s also the non-directionality of the “wall of fog”. Meaning, it turns when your head turns.

So does the purple light, at first. Tensegrity even teaches you to sweep your head along with the hand, when scooping colors.

When it stops being non-directional, it takes on a new level of “realness”, which means, the assemblage point has moved to a favorable place to view it.

If you want to intercept dreams, you'd have to be super silent until your assemblage point moves into full "bliss", and your breathing changes.

At that point, just sit on some pillows and gaze at details in the purple static.

But you could also look around for 2 eyes and a mouth, on the purple light. Try to summon hypnogogic images.

Dreams are more complex. Simple floating heads are not as hard to find.

I feel that’s where it would’ve went if I continued.

I'm a little concerned you've been influenced by me, but it sounds promising.

The problem now is, if you can do something cool, can you do it again and again, and again?

It's clearly from the second attention.

I'm not sure if your assemblage point is flexible from the particulars of your life situation, or maybe you're just talented.

The question now is, do you have the interest to keep practicing?

Once or twice isn't going to do anything but give you a little happy buzz the next day. And worse, you might go off the deep end, and just “decide” you’re a sorcerer now.

Don’t do that! It’s a very long trip.

You move the assemblage point as far as you can when practicing, and it moves back later on.

It moves back sooner if you "indulge", which is where the "impeccable" thing really becomes obvious.

If you're careful, you can make it last.

But I believe, the goal is to keep moving it to heightened awareness until it stays there on its own. Or, can move there so easily, you can do that in a few seconds when needed.

Naturally there’s other possible ways to learn sorcery, but this one seems the easiest to measure as you go along.

If you’re going to succeed, or fail, it’s nice to know where you are on that curve, which will directly correspond to the effort you put in.

And I saw a blue ball in the other corner of my room for a sec

Dot or ball?

If it’s a dot, lots of people see those.

I have no idea what they are.

I used to see them maybe once a month, when I was 18.

Now, while practicing, I see several a night. Especially in heightened awareness.

But what they are good for? I don't know.

Whorls?

If you’re describing the same thing, the yin/yang kind of object, it can spin off "text".

It's the "intensity" that does it.

Could be a pomegranate dot just before it spins off, as Carlos described, but typically when a whorl is intense enough to spin off text, you aren't in the state of mind to stare at things.

When the text swishes off and floats in the air, it's probably at least a second or two before you think, "What is that????"

And notice it.

It’s amazing that Carlos could read it continuously.

I believe I saw him read text from “the wall” for at least 30 seconds on one occasion.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-26 02:21

I’m not going off of text when I say whorl, must’ve used the wrong terminology. It was like a black dot that warped away with a light - dark blue moving whirl around it. I can’t think of how else to describe it right now. the purple stuff has happened a lot actually before I got here. Seeing colors, I’ve always saw shapes and colors for some reason. I don’t remember not seeing them to be honest... I don’t know if I’m talented or traumatized either haha, maybe raised halfway decently, just spoiled. I saw the grid pattern once. Only for a short amount of time. It was my second manic episode and I was high... I’m approaching this completely differently. I still have quite a ways to go. I’m sure I need a full recap and to dive right in to this 100%. I currently just practice when I feel like (which is pretty much every night) I need to and try to get silence and recap what’s preventing the silence constantly too. I have a what I hope is a healthy respect for the power and don’t want to toy with it too much...
And yeah my eyes have been open as far as I know.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-26 02:29

It was like a black dot that warped away with a light - dark blue moving whirl around it.

I'm pretty sure that's what Carlos called a "Whorl". Or maybe "sworl". It's been a long time.

I believe the blue scout was standing right next to him when he explained that.

It was part of his introduction to a poster someone painted, of "The Wall".

Lost in time. Can't find a copy.

But I'm face blind. I can't even tell Carol from the witches. So if that was the blue scout, I can't be sure.

Interesting if I'm right, and your whorl is the same thing. Because yours looks a little different.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-26 04:40

The whirl was almost jagged too. I’m excited. I wonder what’ll happen tonight.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-26 16:18

Ok, I just can't resist.

Some nights, nothing!!!!

Shit.

There's where the "impeccable warrior" thing starts to make sense.

You use that thinking to figure out why.

But often you cannot.

So it's just a matter of how much energy you have.

I guess that has a mysterious side, but I've found you can overcome the mysterious needs with extra effort.

So it boils down to how tired you are, and how alert you are.

Also, it won't be all that entertaining unless you keep pushing forward.

You should see me when I'm bored, with my practices.

That world again??? I'm not going in there.

All the intense purple fog? I'm tired of scooping.

What's that dream materializing over there? Are they kissing?

Get a room and go away!

You'll get to that point.

So you have to keep pushing further.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-26 14:43

I was really tired last night, my gf wouldn’t go to sleep. I tried a bit when she did and I started seeing the walls have the static texture. I actually started seeing like moving lines but the I started seeing like a red splotch of color with like moving bat wings and I was like nope.

Lol. I’ll try again tonight

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-26 16:49

Ok. So...

It's ok to be too tired to practice.

But it can set you back several days.

That won't matter much in the beginning. Each cool thing you do releases new energy.

But you'll use that up eventually, and you'll be running on your own stored energy, with only occasional help by intent.

So the further on you get, the more important it is, not to skip practicing.

Thus the urge to figure out how to practice during your normal daily life.

Cellphone energy is promising, when coupled in silence.

I was watching the microscopic details you can see, if you get it just right.

Standing next to a group of policemen, outside a "to go" pizza place.

With the cellphone sparkle, I practiced for a full 20 minutes right under their noses.

At one point I almost had a heart attack!

There was one of Carlos allies, right behind the microscopic sparkle!

Is that even possible????

I guess so.

They might have noticed me gasp, but probably figured it was a scary video on my cellphone.

I'm afraid, the wives do in most apprentices. They interfere with practicing.

It should be possible to work around it, but the wife gives yet another excuse to skip practicing.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-26 17:03

Yeah, I was just too tired. But I did get somewhere. I started seeing the purple but I saw that red thing and because I was tired I was like, nope. Can’t handle this right now. Nope nope nope. Lol

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-26 15:50

It was pleasant and deep yet dull purple, almost like there was tv static in it fading the color a bit.

How much light was there?

With Cholita gone, I was doing "bathtub gazing" last night.

My bathroom can't get perfectly dark unless I want to seal the window, which would be removed by Cholita the instant she got home.

There's a very bright street light shining right into the window.

So it's like dull twilight. You can see your hands, but not clearly.

I noticed, the purple fog I could summon was very granular, because the left over light made it "buzz".

That's also something people who don't practice sorcery see.

They wake up to go to the bathroom, turn on the lights, and the whole floor is buzzing with multicolored flecks.

Odd that it doesn't happen every time, but I get reports of it and I've seen it too.

So I'm theorizing, with a little light left over you can still summon colors, but they'll look different than if you have perfect darkness.

Was the area you were looking at completely black?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-26 17:05

No, I’ve been doing this with a little light. Not pitch black

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-26 17:17

So that's good, if you make it work.

I can't afford to go down that path, to verify you don't need absolute darkness.

Plus, it wouldn't count with me.

Bathtub gazing last night, I managed to find a use for the "blackness" you mentioned.

Since there was a little light, I could find the blackness, scoop it with my hand, and toss it back and forth, like a ball.

But it had a lot of static in it.

So, you might expect to see more static than I describe.

And that also means, I might have misunderstood whether your purple light had enough "details" to intercept dreams.

But you can do that in semi-dark.

I also intercepted a dream while in the bathtub.

Awake with eyes open of course, or else who cares?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-26 17:31

Hmm. Maybe the red blob with shadow wings was an IOB? I was just startled by the red. I thought it would have a blue hue. If you’ve ever played legend of zelda breath of the wild, it looked like a Keese, specific to that game.

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-04-26 17:57

zelda breath of the wild, it looked like a Keese

Yea, that's likely an inorganic being.

I met my first one at 5 years old.

And I also saw colors on the ceiling most of my childhood. I lost them early on, but regained them at 12, courtesy of Ruby Modesto, a witch at Morongo.

It all started at Morongo! Even Carlos perhaps.

Sometime I'll have to post about how they used Devil's weed tea there.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-26 18:03

Very cool.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-27 04:13

I can’t quiet my mind tonight. For some reason I’m too frustrated with myself and have all of these high expectations. Like, I saw these lines now look for the purple now look for the lines calm down etc. I can’t seem to do it.

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-04-27 18:18

Congratulations!

That happens to everyone.

You got a gift from intent.

Now time to pay for it.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-27 16:23

So basically, after putting immense pressure on myself and failing last night, I relaxed and tried to go to sleep, then decided to try one more time, I got somewhere, just not as far as I normally do and lost it. I think it has to do with everything that has been happening in my life yesterday and me not taking care of it. I saw something different though when I was succeeding. In addition to the purple and red, I saw the black shadows moving, but I also saw some white translucent whisps appear and disappear like a leaf blowing in the wind but bigger. Will try again tonight.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-27 18:31

I would say, the things you see like that, are the things you can learn to see over and over.

You may end up with your own list of lines, blobs, colors, blackness, and whatever.

And you might learn to use each type.

But that doesn't necessarily mean, yours and mine will match.

Which is likely one reason, Carlos and Carol Tiggs don't go on and on about personal experiences the way I do.

It's just that, their strategy didn't work.

So far...

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-28 15:10

There is that understanding that if you learn something on your own, discover it without help from someone, then you remember it and can access it better. This is a little different from learning a new skill though. It’s more like relearning how to ride a bike. So proper instruction is actually beneficial. Spoon feeding haha. But who am I to say what’s right or wrong. The past two days I’ve struggled with it.
I did a lot better last night but nothing like previously. There were swirling black shadows that blanketed my view but I could see through as well. I was seeing purple splotches. But they formed and disappeared. Never a full one like I described the other day.

I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s because I’ve been conveniently forgetting to practice silence enough daily. Been too caught up at work and with other things. At least I’m aware now. I don’t want to fall back in to full sleep

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-28 15:31

There is that understanding that if you learn something on your own

That's my theory.

It could be that our knowledge of sorcery integrates better because we have to do it all by ourselves.

It's also nice to discover something, then read about it later. Carlos gave me that gift when he banned me from his last 3 books.

I discovered things that had only been written about in there.

You saw black swirls? Turns out, you can indeed use those too.

I haven't lucked out to find a use, other than to toss it back and forth like a ball.

But you need a purple mist to see that.

But they formed and disappeared.

Now, don't make the beginner's mistake.

You aren't trying to get them to "do something cool".

You just need to watch them. And be silent, so those will lure your assemblage point off to wherever those come from (the second attention).

Yes, later you can do things with the colors. But that's once you get all the way to heightened awareness.

Before then, just watch whatever you can, as long as it's "impossible", or "Can't be there for real!".

That's what pulls the assemblage point.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-28 15:41

Yeah, I’m definitely doing the beginners mistake. I keep trying to make it form. When I see the purple I keep trying to will it to overtake the field of vision. I remember the one time that I succeeded the most was when I almost didn’t want it to haha. I just let it happen.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-28 18:11

By "trying", you're thinking.

or visualizing someting you want.

That's a darned beacon to the first attention. It's like being out in the dark ocean, trying to drift in the right direction, but then shining a giant light onto the shore.

You're keeping the boat from drifting.

Everything you can think about, is part of the Tonal!

Don't think. Just watch in silence.

Later, you can think as much as you like. But you won't like to at that point.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-28 19:23

Yeah! Also, at work today, I was seeing like a colored aura around my coworker (human shaped). I’ve seen it before but never so bright and never in there color...

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-28 20:01

I've never seen those.

I know someone who sees them around plants.

But I do have some experience with this.

At first, you have to go to sleep to see anything interesting.

You need to sleep walk.

So people concentrating on seeing an "aura", might be going in exactly the wrong direction.

Not necessarily everyone, but everyone I've tried to help.

They want to "out-stare" reality as don Juan put it.

When in fact, you need to back off. Let the mind wander in silence.

The opposite.

So if you learn to make stuff happen in darkness, you need to super relax the mind, shut off the internal dialogue, and if you can become perfectly "innocent", you'll succeed.

You do that a few times, and then the opposite happens.

Somehow you learn to include that in your normal view of the world.

And so what might previously have taken extraordinary effort, now becomes "normal".

You walk down the sidewalk, outdoors, and suddenly there's stuff that shouldn't be there.

Just be careful that if you're seeing impossible stuff before you've actually created that kind of control, through hard work, you might be deluding yourself.

Deluding yourself can be a not-doing. I'm not saying it's a kiss of death.

But it can be an indication you aren't fully genuine in your desire to learn, but are more interested in the rewards of people being impressed by what you've learned.

THAT is a kiss of death. We've seen it do in all of Carlos' apprentices in the past.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-28 20:29

I see. I think I understand now.
I would think that if you’re seeing things and then pointing them out to people, that’s being false but if you’re just seeing things yourself and observing, it would be okay.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-28 20:46

If you really see them, it doesn't matter.

I'm just used to people who say they see auras, failing to learn after a few years, and giving up.

Saw plenty of those.

"Auras" is tainted with the intent of something else. Something mostly imaginary.

So when I hear "aura", I hear, let's all be friends, and you compliment me on my magical knowledge, and I'll do the same for you.

Maybe we can even make money from this.

That's what I hear, in "aura".

Failure.

But it doesn't have to be so.

It's just what I've observed in the last 50 years.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-28 20:53

I see. I’ve been involved in the whether I’ve liked it or not for 12-14 years now. I might as well learn to control it instead of letting it run rampant on me and destroy my life. I don’t really have a choice at this point lol.

With that being said, I really hope I don’t quit. I don’t intend to. I want your efforts not to go in vain and I appreciate everything you’ve been doing for me

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-04-28 21:45

I have side benefits from helping in here.

Even if someone gives up, my annoying repetition will eventually get them to understand, and they'll spread that understanding elsewhere.

Even if they don't actually get there themselves.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-28 23:08

a CONTAGION THROUGH ANNOYANCE!!!

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-29 05:28

Still getting frustrated. I get to the point where the purple seems to be forming behind the black whisps and shining like the sun behind the (black) clouds and then I sabotage it or something. Have to start from scratch. It gets faster and faster to that point but I can’t seem to get past that point and I keep getting frustrated about how much progress I was making not too long ago and then it all fell off.

I’m allowing it until I don’t allow it out of nowhere.

I’ll get it I swear.

Also, I’m doing it somewhere almost pitch black now and it’s faster and easier but still not at the level I was last week

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-29 15:15

Try the sunlight glitter for 15 minutes.

I've seen wonders using that! It's even embarrassing to tell about them.

It's like having your own private Las Vegas all you can eat buffet, when most of everyone else is still trying to get into a McDonald's.

You can get there too. Where you're embarrassed to tell about your dreaming and seeing prowess.

I'd say (it won't help make you feel better), that when you suffer like this, you make more progress than when intent helps you out, and you wake up the next morning with a big happy ego.

Intent is almost malicious that way.

It's like, "Sure Kid, you can take the Sweptail out tonight. Have a good time with your new girlfriend!"

Then the next day, you're stuck back in your beat up old stick shift Nissan with the air conditioner that doesn't work.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-29 15:26

AHA! You’re absolutely right!!!! It’s totally ego. Lmao. I definitely fell for the trap again haha. What a game of chess! But it’s not. I keep over complicating.

Thank you for the advice!

I had a really weird dream too... I was kind of in dream trance, like half awake in my dream and my dream was playing out. I was in a kitchen/apartment or something that was really skinny doing what I was doing and suddenly the whole story changed and I woke up in the dream then outside to reality in a matter of seconds.

A strange figure appeared behind me. I turned around, and saw the person. They did not look like they belonged to my dream at all. As soon as I made eye contact with them, they essentially attacked me with what kind of resembled force lightning. I started feeling woozy. The white makeup that they had on that made them look like a geisha separated from their face at that time and it almost looked like a glitch in the matrix. I panicked and woke up.

I was going to attempt silence and gazing again when I woke up because I knew my assemblage point was more stretchy, but I didn’t want that thing to be invited so I just tried to calm down and go back to normal sleep.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-29 17:37

IOB more than likely.

I don't think we should get too paranoid about ordinary dreams. They do get weirder and weirder, as you learn sorcery during the day.

But they aren't accompanied by lucidity most of the time, so there's no way to make use of them.

And I can tell you from direct experience, getting too focused on those, while trying to force yourself to actually practice, is a BIG mistake.

It's more of the same. Excuses not to actually learn sorcery. A substitute to tickle your fancy.

Probably the main benefit is that if dreams get more vivid than usual, and you seem to be able to remember more of them, then you have in fact risen your energy level a bit, up from your toes.

Carlos was interested in nothing else when the private classes started.

Rising up our energy, above our toes.

Later, it became more complicated.

That's almost surely because he was dying, and didn't have time to tinker.

I'm here, trying to continue his tinkering.

Cleargreen seems unable or unwilling, maybe for monetary reasons, and I suspect Carol and the Witches are letting things stand where Carlos left them.

So as not to disturb his intent.

Everyone leaves but the Nagual woman, who remains to help the stragglers. That's the rule.

Except, the stragglers never actually learned much sorcery. They got caught up in being "wonderful", at workshops.

Everyone in here, I hope, can now understand what's going on with Cleargreen.

That is, why they don't seem to know anything outside of what Carlos already wrote.

I'm sure that if Carlos lived another 10 years, he would have figured out how to herd the naughty sheep (students).

Like a baby Sheltie, being given a flock to herd for the first time.

It has to learn where to nip at them on the ankles to make them go in the right direction, without actually damaging their legs. And without being stomped!

But Carlos was removed too early to figure that out.

And they stomped him even after he left.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 00:23

Ok! Well I should’ve tackled it then haha: it seemed pretty powerful. I was strange too because I wasn’t as shaken as I feel I’d normally be. I almost immediately questioned why I didn’t fight back instead of awaken.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 02:02

Also, I was mentioning that “aura” thing I saw. It was more like an afterimage image. But it was just so bright when it happened. It surprised me. It just seems out of the ordinary. If I try I can see these after images of people very easily. Is that anything I should be pursuing?

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-30 15:24

Silence in darkness.

Yes, you can see auras on people.

But that whole topic is tainted. Once you start talking like that, you're summoning the intent of that whole phony money making mess.

And the looney people who go along with it.

It's a lazy person's pretend sorcery with a built-in huge support group.

But yes. There are auras.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-30 15:29

I must not have the slightest clue on how intent works... lol

I just remember it whisking me away effortlessly.

I think I’m tainted because since I’ve been practicing here things have changed in my ordinary life. They put me in a leadership role at work and constantly thinking about how to move forward in this climate and do business is the opposite of sorcery. I realized that last night yesterday and I think that that is why I’ve been failing. That and my ego is a much bigger than I thought. Like, how can you get a big ego about having a little ego? I found a way. 🙄

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-04-30 16:03

Go for the impeccable thing at work.

That's a place where it makes sense!

It doesn't make sense, if you're Reni trying to teach your followers.

It just sounds like you want people to think of you as a saint.

But at work, that's the place to work harder than everyone else, and be more forgiving of bad personalities.

In my 20s, I had a job blowing bongs from glass tubes, on a glass blowing lathe.

You were supposed to make 40 a day.

I made 200 a day.

The boss told me to cut it out. I was making everyone else nervous.

Try a little of that, but without insisting anyone notice.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 16:05

I wouldn’t put it past me. My sense of self is pretty deluded. I want people to think I’m as saint and that’s a problem isn’t it...

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-30 18:46

Yea, the saint thing is a huge problem.

Can it be the christian church that produces this concept?

I run into it all the time.

I'll be discussing sorcery, and the person will say, "Well, I believe..."

Believe?

No, no, no!

It's just very old technology. They didn't have any cool stuff around.

Just sharp little knives, weird masks, and "tatoos" made by scaring themselves.

They were bored out of their minds.

They guzzled a few too many glasses of Devil's Weed Tea, and discovered spirits.

Over thousands of years, we have a real technology.

It's not a "belief" system at all!

Likewise, someone practicing it isn't saintly!

Would you tell your computer repairman to get lost, because he tried to put it up his girlfriend's b...?

But don't tell Robert that. He's judged Carlos from the start, as not Saintly enough.

And that's what you'll google from the web, if you try out Carlos Castaneda.

He wasn't saintly enough.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 19:55

My saint thing actually originated from trauma, not the church. And I’m so glad we had this convo because I realized what feels like a big chunk of what I was missing about my identity and why I didn’t accept myself as I am

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-01 18:38

Hi!

Nothing important to report I don’t think. There was more light in my room than usual and I was still able to get to about the same point except with less time. The colors were just washed out a little. Nothing special. I don’t remember dreaming but apparently I said my ex’s name in my sleep so... my gf is not happy lol

My chiropractor who I trust unlocked something about my ex that was left over. Dust bunnies I guess yesterday during the day. I assume thats what it was and it just means I wasn’t thorough enough. That’s what I get.

Anywho, hope all is well!

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-02 17:08

Hi!

I’m realizing even more how much I was overlooking internal dialogue due to saintliness among other things...

I quickly hit purple last night. It was almost immediate. So now I just have to stabilize it.

I suddenly remembered my dream from two nights ago last night when I was getting ready for bed. It was strange because I remembered that I was half conscious. Like, I was having thoughts and making decisions in my dream that referred to tonal facts which I can’t remember if that’s ever happened to me before without the dream dissipating.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-02 17:36

I quickly hit purple last night.

Don't forget about the black. That can be manipulated also.

It's just more difficult.

I suddenly remembered my dream from two nights ago

That sort of gives insight into why the Little Sisters and the Genaros were such assholes.

When Carlos went to gather them back together, a necessary step after the Nagual blows up the group, they started to remember things taught them in heightned awareness.

Instead of "Yay!!!!! We have bonus gifts available to us!"

They were saying, "What did don Juan do to us????"

Here's some tips for future teachers:

Your favorite student may one day curse you and leave.

They just don't need you anymore. That's all.

They'll come up with a "reason", but it won't make any sense.

Which is good. If they found a valid reason, you'd have to recapitulate too much to remove that mark.

Teaching is serious business.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-02 18:09

If I’m capable of moving on from a teacher, let alone anyone, I have made strides I’ve never thought possible in myself. Ie: saintliness

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-04 15:18

Saw your post about the purple and everything. Great post. I’ve seen everything except the actual face.

Last night something was definitely with me, maybe a couple. And I think one was frustrated. Really wanted me to push myself far. I’ve been kind of hiding in the safe bubble.
It entered my dream last night again and was hunting for me to I guess suck my energy is what it felt like. It literally opened my bedroom door abruptly last night too. Scared the hell out of me. I saw a shadow of it. Humanoid with wings. Well, my guess is I need to face my fear and tell it to “be pretty” as you say. Wrestle it. I feel it’s very powerful.

We’ll see what happens tonight.

Edit: I also kind of flashed to a weird place with a giant craggily tree with no leaves, with my eyes open.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-04 16:41

Well, my guess is I need to face my fear and tell it to “be pretty” as you say.

It's worked for some witches who have no concept of IOBs.

It'll work for you also.

It's intent, that's all.

Unless of course, you found an alien or something.

Aliens surely exist!

And they wiped out the old sorcerers. Destroyed their world.

So we always have to keep in mind, we can't know everything.

In your case though, it's an IOB.

About the door...

Fairy likes to lock doors!

For a while I thought it was only bugging me, and maybe my hand had learned to lock the button automatically, and I didn't remember.

It locked from the inside a few times, before Cholita fled on her last trip. I asked her if she'd done that, and the said no. Why would she lock the door from the inside?

Then while Cholita was gone, the bathroom door and the hallway door were often locked, with me having no memory of how I might have done that.

You know the kind of lock: the little button in the middle of the knob, which you push in to lock it.

It takes a little more force than I'd expect the IOBs to be able to produce. But not much.

Maybe it has something to do with Cholita, who is plagued by inorganics, and often obsesses over something in the bathroom.

It could be that Fairy likes to interact with her as a prankster at times.

For a while she was hearing the toilet flowing at night (it was brand new), and kept pulling the guts out of it.

I just left it disabled after replacing the insides for the 3rd time.

And after a week or two of no bathroom, she got over that.

Then she became obsessed with the shower curtain. She kept having giant battles with it, breaking several of them and forcing me to buy a new rod.

She got over that too, after a few weeks.

Now she's obsessed with the lock.

And she's somehow disabled the ability of the bathroom door to close!

I couldn't figure out how this morning. The door just won't shut all the way, and nothing seems to be wrong.

She got tired of the door locking from the inside!

So don't doubt it.

IOBs can move real objects!

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-05 14:03

I wonder why the aliens would want to destroy the sorcerers? :(

I wish we could just have peace. Either way, cool stuff. Silence seems to be getting easier to attain finally

I’m remembering parts of dreams at strange moments now too. I never used to do that before. Like I remembered a part of a dream from two days ago this morning when I was remembering my dream from this morning. I usually lose all of it most of the time

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-05 16:10

I wonder why the aliens would want to destroy the sorcerers?

It was my autistic reference to the Spanish invaders (aliens).

I expected it to be obvious, but it rarely is.

The Taiwanese Bosses' son always warns me:

No one understands a word I say.

And the Spanish didn't exactly wipe them out.

Their diseases did.

Which is easy to see these days!

Yes, that really can happen! Just one person can wipe out 11 million Indians.

And then, they mated with their women.

Or the men too.

Cholita's father is pure Olmec, and her mother pure Spanish.

But what happened to the old sorcerers could easily happen to humanity now.

There's no way there aren't actual aliens out there somewhere.

As a side note, the Indians got revenge on Europe. They sent VD there.

Until then the church ran prostitution, and the western world was much like Asia.

Kind of relaxed and non-judgmental about sex.

After VD ravaged Europe, we ended up with our prudish moral system.

Carlos tapped into it to break up the group on his death.

Always tying things back to the Sorcerer's of Ancient Mexico, I suppose.

(another weird autistic ref).

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u/canastataa 1 points 2020-05-05 18:36

I will intrude a bit . What is VD? Probably some description of Disease as in VD ?

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-05 19:25

Venereal disease.

Sexually transmitted disease.

I believe, the same one Hitler had?

Wait, that was the G one. This was probably the S one.

But I'm not sure. I don't keep track of them, being celibate and all.

The apocryphal story goes, Pocahontas was a big hit in England, doing shows the way Buffalo Bill used to do.

And she also earned money prostituting herself. To wealthy clients of course.

That was pre-prudish society, so don't judge her!

Post VD, western society got prudish.

Which has an important lesson in it.

Morals are just reality from the past, long forgotten.

And the thing that was real, may be gone.

So only the anger (morals) remains.

Don't contribute to it, by being angry about the anger!

Better to understand it's origins.

Let's take Japan.

In Japan, men are expected to go whoring in the evening.

It's business. Work hard, play hard.

Under most subway stops are businesses which only open after 5PM.

Bondage dungeons, massage parlors, fortune teller and tea ceremony girls, DVD and lingerie places, where the hostess can model the lingerie for a fee.

Office workers are hazed by being forced to get a blow job while the other office workers watch.

But if some deadly disease spread there, which was transferred by blow jobs, directly to their wives, the kids would hear some really nasty arguments at night.

Over time they'd only remember the anger associated with BJs.

And in a few generations, they'd be as prudish as we are here, in the good old USA.

So prudish, Carlos was able to break up his group, based on something as stupid as sex.

Wouldn't have worked in Asia.

I've tried bringing some of the best people back.

The sex was just too much for the women.

The men are mostly angry their book deal is bust now.

If Carlos was a "fake", no book deal for them.

(Honestly, that's what is going on with some.)

They went for a different book deal with what they believed was more promise of profit.

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u/canastataa 2 points 2020-05-05 19:48

Well another possible reason could be that women that are engaged in a relationship but do cheat can and sometimes will hide that "their" man is not the real father. For example in France its forbidden by law to test DNA for paternity. In the USA you are bound by law to support the child after you sign as its father, even if you later find out that that isnt the case.

Anyway i did get your point , and its very valid. Btw the Spanish were totally shocked when they found out that homosexuality was widespread and accepted in precolumbian Americas. I cant say what is right or wrong though, just saying.

Edit : i dont think your references are authistic, w/e that means. I understand some of them and they are clever

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-05 21:19

I'm glad you brought that up, since Corey is such an activist.

There was never anything at all wrong with homosexuality, until STDs were spread by it.

The saints in the bible even engaged in it.

It's called, Effeminate, in the translated greek.

It's just STDs that produced the moral outrage.

But about the who's the father.

I'll repeat my latest theory:

That's an agriculture myth, transposed to the city.

Marriage isn't natural for humans.

They're tribal.

Tribes are territorial. They can't survive if tight family units must be enforced.

It's like playing dodgeball in elementary school.

You have to get picked for the team. If you aren't, you have to go to the loser team and do your best.

But with agriculture, we needed "free labor".

In Taiwan, it was common for the farmers to have 9 children.

And all of the children stick around.

Not because Grandma is such nice company.

It's to bring in the crops.

Then, we got machines. Don't need so much free labor.

We huddled in cities.

And Grandma kept promoting the tight family unit, with Hallmark movie myths.

Better spend time with Grandma before she dies or you'll regret it deeply!

Ever see anyone regret that?

Not me.

Family relationships are a city dwellers left over agricultural myth.

And not helpful to sorcerers, who are basically hunters.

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u/canastataa 2 points 2020-05-06 07:06

Just to add to the industrialization. First we got the machines that work the land and replace the need for child labor. Then we got medicine and in particular antibiotics. These 2 factors propagated the population to the scale we see now . Maybe my numbers are off by a bit but before antibiotics more than 50% of the children didnt make it past 5 years old.
Look around - even today half of the people you see wouldnt be there without the antibiotics to fight viral bacteria. Any deep enough cut/wound is deadly if not treated with the AB. Thats why big carnivore animals rarely attack healthy adult animals.
Covid19 is virus however .

Why the main goal of most people even today is to reproduce is beyond me (well you explained it). Whats worse is they feel like thats their main goal in life, and once they complete it, they dont give the child the necessary attention.

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-05-06 17:23

I like the love songs about how the other person is "all I'll ever need".

Where did anyone ever see that work out?

How could it?

We're all homicidal fussy minded crazies drowning in our own self-pity.

Once magic was taken from us, all we had left was milk and cookies.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-13 05:20

So new stuff yesterday and today. Distinct numbers appeared in the purple. And a word. I don’t know what to do with the information... I’m not even sure I remember the numbers. I remember the word though. My eyes were closed after I spent two hours gazing and recapping trying to let go.

Also, I started going for walks again guided by just the flow. I had completely forgotten everything I had learned it seems. I’m remembering it now. I think the catalyst to my 3 day decline was me speed reading a book called Rocketfuel because I was told to do so. Really messed this up. I forgot about this stuff almost completely. But I had seen something really strange. I was sitting on a bench during dusk staring at a little pond with parent geese guarding their babies on the other side. It was surrounded by rocks. The rocks started to move just like the waves in the pond in synchronization.

I was gazing in twilight as well and darkness kind of consumed my vision. It was strange. Like a black cloud until I pulled myself back from it.

Aye yi yi

I’m recapping a lot more and it feels way better than I thought it would. I’ve always felt overwhelmed by the daunting task, now I realize that it’s great.

Oh, what I read was 528 Ray I think. It was clear as day when I saw it

Don’t know what to do with that

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-05-13 15:52

Oh, what I read was 528 Ray I think. It was clear as day when I saw it

We don't know enough about it to figure that out.

Typically the text ought to spin off "the wall", which is a more organized view of the second attention. It's like a computer desktop.

However, you can certainly "dream" text while awake.

I suspect the difference might be, to "read off the wall", the way Carlos did, is a form of seeing, and produces very good information. Answers, or past and future events even.

Dreaming text is just what's floating in your subconscious, manifested as a dreaming phantom.

Then there's Techno's little boat with numbers on the side of it. There's likely awareness behind that one.

His nagual or something outside.

I’ve always felt overwhelmed by the daunting task,

As soon as you realize it's a road, and not a gate, you can take small step after small step, and make progress.

Your personal power will grow each time you put in a stretch of practicing everyday.

THAT'S the path with heart.

The path with heart is not slobbering over your mentally ill friends at workshops, or posting thank you comments on Facebook pages where you flatter yourself by pretending to be part of a happy community following the path with heart.

No magic, no path with heart.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-13 23:32

Yeah, I’ve realized that I like it. It feels much better than how I’ve been living my life prior. Calm and filling. That’s how I feel after I recapitulate although I don’t feel full, just more full than before. I’m probably at like 40% is what it felt like.

I started reading the books again. I want to actually get all the way through it. I finished the first story of Carlos looking for the perfect spot for him and now I want to figure out how to do that myself. I was able to see some colors in my peripheral and I sat somewhere greenish and it made me want to puke and burp a lot. Now I have a headache. I’m not sure what I’m looking for because he didn’t really describe the place that is the perfect spot.

As for the numbers, they kind of appeared off the purple and floated and spun away. I really have no idea. What I did find when I googled 526 Ray was 526Hz is apparently the God frequency and heals dna.

I also found a place in Nashville that made my heart jump for some reason. It was a random home. Idk... 526 Raymond.

I’m off to find the right spot. After looking I can’t stop now because I believe I need to replenish energy.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-13 23:42

I finished the first story of Carlos looking for the perfect spot for him and now I want to figure out how to do that myself.

It's the only technique you'll ever need!

It's similar to looking for colors in darkness. You watch for "something that isn't there", and it pulls your assemblage point.

So the people who claim Carlos kept adding stuff to sell more books, are super duper naive.

Clueless really.

Right way of walking + finding your spot, gets you all the way to the depths of the second attention.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-13 23:44

Yeah, the fingers curled thing and gazing forward. I’ll have to reread it as well. I’m just not sure what color I’m looking for... I thought it was blue but I’m definitely wrong. Burping and nausea is... probably not the right sign.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-13 23:51

You're looking for ANYTHING that isn't there. Or shouldn't be there.

You just watch it, and it pulls your assemblage point in the right direction.

However, thinking pulls it back.

So nothing cool will happen, unless you can get silent at least 2 minutes.

Note: The 2 minutes is eventually a few seconds. And Taisha wouldn't like me saying 2 minutes.

It's personal.

HOWEVER, no one can even do 30 seconds, so who cares if I say 2 minutes?

Once you try to go that long, you've got the right idea. Even if it turns out your time is less, or a lot more.

Also remember, you're actually learning to gaze. The gaze controls intent.

Sorcery is the "Mastery of Intent".

Everything leads to controlling your gaze (the shine in your eyes).

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-13 23:52

I see. I guess I just have to get the gazing down first and then I’ll figure out what the right spot is haha.
Thanks!

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-14 15:34

I"d love to see you try "finding the right spot", but without a sorcerer around, placing a special rock somewhere, and helping your assemblage point shift a bit, I worry that without silence, it'll have poor results.

Pretty much, silence or gazing are the best places to start. The cool stuff happens with those.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-14 15:37

Yeah! I’ve noticed. It’s really interesting and exhilarating! Also scary haha.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-14 16:54

Also, yeah, the current results have been strange. When I saw colors of the spots, I picked a spot that I thought might be right and I started burping and almost vomiting. I had to get up. I was drained until I found a place which was just a random guess that seemed to recharge me. But it was marked by something I had done weeks ago when I was prepping my power stones.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-14 07:36

Start seeing stuff almost instantly but it fades in and out a lot. I see it and I blab or I see it and I get scared that it’s going to kill me. Lately, I see it and something makes a loud sound and it makes me not want to do it anymore out of fear. Is it a sign that I’m going to die if I continue? You said to watch out for that earlier I believe... Taking that full leap of faith that I’m going to survive is hard for me. Maybe it’s because my parents have always caught my fall and I never built the confidence in just myself.

Just some ranting a at 235 in the morning after being startled by a knock on my window when I was seeing purple, shadows moving over my head, white whisps, and short lines (kind of like what you see if you look closely at a dollar bill it’s real)

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-14 15:42

Is it a sign that I’m going to die if I continue?

Absolutely!

But continue anyway.

The knock is common. I have no idea what it is.

I used to think it was the, "knock of the spirit", but I suspect now it's an IOB that's found a way to make you hear a sound.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-14 15:51

Lmao what do you mean continue anyways!!?? But yeah, I guess I just have to suck it up. I want it. I’m sure it’s an IOB myself, trying to tell me something or scare me to take energy.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-14 18:23

Unfortunately, some people practicing sorcery have picked up nasty personality traits from their parenting.

One is to be afraid and constantly run to mommy for reassurance.

You have to give that up, or there's no way to learn.

Just resign yourself to death. Anything less won't work.

It'll just be one explanation after another, always in need of more reassuring.

If you are going to die, there's no reason for reassuring anymore.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-14 18:24

Ok. Understood

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 15:34

It was so easy to fall off too. I was doing meditate walks in the forest and around my home one minute, the next, I stopped and just kept moving backwards.
I practice until I see the purple being smothered by the black right now. I can’t seem to get past that stage but I bet I will when I stop this charade.

I was thinking about going back to the four agreements for easier silence.
1. Be impeccable with your word.
2. Don’t take anything personally
3. Don’t assume
4. Always do your best

Edit: this is not good to do ^^

Lastly, I was thinking that the black shadows might be IOBs. It seems it’s always the same one or 2 and it’s just hovering over me ones smaller and that’s the one I kind of tamed, the other ones bigger and I bet it was the thing in my dream two nights ago

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2020-04-30 16:17

The Four Agreements are useful tangentially, just as everything else outside of Castaneda's Intent is useful and potentially supportive.

The potential problem is if he is pushing his connection to the Toltecs really strongly (which I'm not informed on), because then he's potentially diverting others toward his branched intent. Even a slight divergence will lead people off the mark over time.

If he never claimed to be part of a separate lineage, it would be a non-issue.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 16:20

I see. I’ll use it for now to help with silence because for me, it just makes sense. If I have to abandon it later, I’m sure that will become clear.

Use the right tool for the right job.

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-04-30 16:20

We were talking about the four agreements earlier,

Please, if you want to do me a favor, don't ever mention something from a phony nagual in the same comment that is obviously intended for me to read it.

I don't want to be contaminated by that nonsense!

Do YOU want me contaminated?

I’ll end up as pathetic as Armando or Miguel.

Won’t be good for Carlos’ reputation.

That remark alone would have gotten you tossed out of Carlos' classes on the spot.

Cholita’s told me stories. People were. For less.

You’ve contaminated yourself by reading junk, and you don’t even know it!

You should consider some "not-reading" to fix yourself.

Go back to whatever nonsense you were reading, and "un-read" it.

Read a sentence, and tell yourself, this is the opposite of what I need.

Go through the entire mess and remove it.

I suspect, Intent will reward you.

I practice until I see the purple being smothered by the black right now.

Yea, I was thinking about that last night.

As an experiment, I decided to use the black, instead of the purple.

Can you scoop the black too???

Cholitas’ new inorganic seems to think it’s solid stuff.

And it’s a rather nice inorganic. Cholita did well to bring that one home.

It pretends to be very loyal and possessive, but when Cholita's asleep, it's like a Siberian Cat.

Those will be loyal to whoever pays attention to them. Often at night Siberian Cats will roam from room to room, cuddling up with everyone in the house.

And they talk too! Cat talk, but continuously.

Cholita's new inorganic is more like a little furry black mink that can put on a dazzling intense blue light show, if you only lend it some energy.

And it doesn't just do scary faces.

It'll do abstract art! Weird shaped sculptures, as intense as the sun, floating peacefully in front of you at the height of the ceiling. It's like an art show.

I have to wonder if it didn't learn about sculpture from Cholita's mind.

Cholita once had her hands on an original Picasso!

For days.

Carlos himself sent her down that path with his side business interests. In retro-spec, she's with me now just because he pulled her into that world, which required her to remain in LA. Most of her customers are in LA.

But about the black, which up until a day or two ago, I assumed was empty space.

That was naive of me. The black is jet black, and more intense than the background noise black.

Carlos even pointed it out, in the mirror in water gazing technique.

Yes, it turns out you can scoop the blackness! It's every bit as solid and energetic, as the purple.

It’s a little messy however.

You get a big gob in your hand, and unlike the purple stuff, which you can compress and stretch, the black stuff is “disruptive”.

As you try to compress it into a solid ball, it stirs up the purple around it and concentrates it into an intense purple border.

It's as if it's so cold, without actually being cold, that it freezes the purple on the edges as it passes by, leaving a trail of purple ice crystals.

Anytime the purple is very intense, things can spin off it.

That’s how you can “read off the wall”. A very intense piece of light. It generates “things”.

They're generated perhaps by the tiniest movement of your eyes, which smears the intensity, and it blooms into an object.

That's kind of advanced, but lets see what you all notice about it later on.

After you get hooked.

In the case of playing with the black goo, I noticed that there was a red blob stuck in it.

I reached in to see if I could pull out the red blob, which was about the size of a big marble.

Instead, I pulled out a little girl in a red dress, sitting calmly on a park bench. She was around 2 inches tall, seated.

I could see that the bench was located along a curving sidewalk, in a pretty park with an endless lawn.

I lifted the little girl up, bench and all, and looked for a place to set her down.

To my right, the purple fog was kind of smooth. I moved my little figure from my right hand to my left, so I could slide my right over the flat spot, to smooth it off.

Make a place to set stuff down. It became a slightly intenser blueish surface, instead of just purple fog.

I checked if the little girl had survived the transfer to the other hand.

She did, mostly. The bench was kind of blurry. She was sinking back into the second attention, but still visible enough to pull her back.

I put the little girl down on the flat spot thinking, maybe I can build a village, the way the death defier did.

Why not? Who said anything about having to make a full scale model?

And who said there was only one "official" way to do it?

You build a virtual world just by visualizing objects until you can actually see them. And get another person to do the same with you.

I was cheating here, and pulling them from the blackness.

But once they were visible, why would they be any different?

The little girl mutated into a heavy built Perry Mason style lawyer, a woman overdressed for some fancy event, a taxi driver with an attitude, and then just junk.

All would have been wonderful additions to a "village". But now all that was left was black crud in a little pile on my bluish looking bedspread.

I was thinking maybe I needed more than one thing on that flat surface, so they could keep each other firm.

If I had Cholita around, between us we could have kept the little girl intact.

But the intent of one person alone seems to be inadequate.

I continuously reached into the black goo, around the very bright purple edges, and pulled out object after object, trying to set them down to make myself a little model of a village.

Didn’t work out.

My little fairy took notice, and offered me the magic crystal ball oracle I’d seen a week or so ago.

It wasn’t perfectly formed, but it was intensely bright. It was floating a few inches in front of my left hand.

I opened my hand to make a curved place in my palm for it to sit in, and it drifted into place by itself.

Sort of. It was a bit stubborn, and wanted me to deliberately reach out for it.

I didn’t realize until just now, my little fairy was sort of saying, “If you must play with toys, this one is more useful. But you have to deliberately take it yourself!"

Please!

Stop thinking about "agreements" designed to pacify your mind, and sell more books!

Who are you agreeing to? A slobbery God who will do all the work for you, if you're just a "good boy"?

No need for hard work!

Just agree to be wonderful!

I guess that's Armando's message.

Miguel's is, "Be a Goddess!"

Nyei even retweeted that.

You're tossing out the real thing while pathetically searching for placebos from charlatans.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 16:23

I’ll remove the comment. Interesting. I can’t seem to touch any of it yet. I tried. I may be reaching with the wrong thing.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2020-04-30 18:13

Don't feel you have to revision or edit your past to save face. Stand by your past words without being desperately attached to them, or against admitting that they may be unwise.

Also, if you remove the source comment, other people's posted responses make less sense.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-30 18:50

Sure. I can change it back. I just didn’t want people to read it and also get messed up.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-04-30 20:39

Admirable, but it's doing a slight disservice. People should have the opportunity to discover that on their own.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-04-30 20:47

Nooooo. I haven’t learned yet have I... bahaha. So much good stuff today. I appreciate it. I’ve never even thought of saintliness as a bad thing. And I didn’t realize it was another trap. Wow. No wonder I meddle improperly. And it’s linked to ego. I’m untangling as I go. Thank you.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-30 18:29

Not necessarily.

It never occurred to me to touch it, when I first started seeing the purple mist.

At that time, it was blue fibers floating in the air, visible whenever it was dark.

I blew into it at first.

I waved my hand through it.

Blowing would often intensify it.

Waving disrupted it, giving the impression it was "real".

You're after the impression it's "real".

You're trying to convince Mr. DoubleTake that it's ok to see that.

He has to be trained slowly, the same way he was trained to hide things from you.

If you want to speed this up, while waving your hand (if successful) look real hard for cobwebs.

If you want to "cheat", have a fan blowing in the room. Not overloading you with wind and drying out your eyes!

But enough that there are micro-currents all around you.

The wind will occasionally tickle a hair on your arm. The most sensitive is the right side of your right arm, near the wrist.

When you feel a tickle there, feel for more.

It's a little like cheating by staring into a candle, to create the afterimage, and then using that to learn to see colors.

Can you find cobwebs, when you're even having a hard time touching the purple?

Yes!

But will you, I don't know.

My guess is that "inventory" is not always bad.

I hate it. It's my arch enemy. People building sorcery inventories and thinking they are learning.

It's endless! They say, "Let's clarify this so no one gets confused."

What?????

Anyone else see the madness in that?

But, inventories float in the mind, and summon intent.

As long as you actually get around to practicing, they aren't so bad.

So, add blowing, swiping your hand, and looking for cobwebs, to the colors you see.

Maybe intent will make a choice and gift you.

And get yourself a friggin inorganic being as soon as possible!!!

You aren't entirely wrong that the black might "be an inorganic being".

Is that what you said?

No, it's not an inorganic being.

But if you are perceiving it as "real", an inorganic being will notice that and come to play.

And there's no reason it can't emerge from the black, giving the impression you were 100% right.

That's what happened to Carlos with the mirror in the water.

He gazed into the mirror until he saw purple and black, and an inorganic began to loom over him in the mirror.

They are neither rare, nor hard to turn into an assistant.

They live for it!

Cholita casually brought home a stray, while she was playing homeless again.

You should see her cool tan!

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 2 points 2020-04-22 08:22

He called it, "Mental Masturbation", and if you read the comments in this subreddit, you'll see plenty of that.

People even get angry, and insist you have to masturbate in a way that satisfies them too.

Each has their own, "special technique".

Some want to be "embraced" while masturbating

So summarizing, you can just tell: people only wanna TALK and not GET THE WORK DONE.. neverending TALKING resultless, infinite TALKING and masturbating while looking at yourself in the mirror... That's all what people want but when you tell them if they want to change they need to start working hard, they tell you to get the f...k off and not prevent them from masturbating 24 -7 because they are all experts in it.

I know a guy from Eastern block he calls himself Castaneda Oldschool, this dude knows every single thing about Carlos, his recorded history of life, his books, workshops etc and this dude teaches everyone what they should think about Carlos works, about toltec art of seeing, he is sure that he is monopoly on the truth in everything that relate to Carlos teachings and he is getting angry when you don't agree with blsht that he keeps telling he starts to curse you and tell that you are just a fool with no brains because he knows everything about Carlos and you don't..

I am pretty sure this guy is not able to even find his hands in one dream but all he does is mental masturbation on subjects relating to Carlos works and keeps teaching every one around what they should think or how they must act etc....

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-22 16:01

Oddly, that guy has a chance in my book. He just needs to get tired of pretending.

Maybe he'll read some from here, get jealous, and secretly put what he knows to use.

On the other hand, it might instead infuriate him, and he'll be denouncing me as delusional.

It depends on how good his knowledge is. Everything I do or explain in here, has a corresponding place in the books.

Not that I plan anything. I just tell what happened, to motivate people to practice.

And because frankly, if I hadn't written it down here, I'd have forgotten the entire last year already.

I'm always very pleased, when I realize Carlos already wrote about something I thought I'd "discovered".

Like last night. Oh my god!!!!

I was holding dream after dream in my hand, gazing at my palm. The background in the room started to cycle through other worlds, one after the other.

It was like holding a control to one of those Star Trek portals, and gazing through it at the worlds going by.

I lifted my hand up, to look at it without bending my neck down. I wanted to see if being hypnotized by dreams in my hand would open an actual portal I could enter.

Then I realized, that's a Culver City pass!!!

Tensegrity is candy land!

If we could just get the Facilitators to realize that, and specialize, it would be an amazing thing.

There would be a reason to go from one to the other, and the whole thing could become a gigantic lineage, instead of a 16 person affair.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-20 20:38

the book deal mind is everywhere.

I never realized this before, but there's absolutely no trace of the book deal mind in Cholita.

Never was, even back in private classes.

In fact, I once suggested to her that it was against the rules for me to earn money or promote myself, but not her.

And since she's unable to work, she could certainly teach dreaming for money.

She said, "What, am I Jesus now??? I have to save humanity, and be a virgin forever?!? Are your reddit buddies going to drink my blood too?"

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 3 points 2020-04-13 23:40

There is of course the "path with heart" phrase.

It's a REALLY regrettable thing, that Castaneda people use that phrase so often....

...Watch out for the placebos. The less comfortable and more insecure you feel in life, the more likely you are to practice so you can dig your way out of it.

Message received. Though I sometimes worry that I've made my life so difficult, intentionally, that I'm secretly a masochist.

At least I haven't taken-up wearing sackcloth or self-flagellation.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-04-13 23:53

The only reason to have a miserable life is so you'll work hard to escape it.

If you work hard to escape it, you can afford a little indulging.

Look at the little sisters and the Genaros.

If that wasn't induldging, I don't know what is.

They supposedly ended up killing La Gorda (though maybe indirectly).

And yet, they could do real magic!

There's a lot of talk about impeccability, but I've never actually seen one of those.

The more talk, the more obvious it is that they aren't.

Speaking of sackcloth.

The prophets in the old testament (sorcerers) lived on honey and locusts.

honey = nearly pure sugar.

So you can eat desert too.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 1 points 2020-04-14 18:20

They supposedly ended up killing La Gorda (though maybe indirectly).

Hasn't she been living her last years in LA with Carlos?

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-04-14 19:05

It's hard to say.

There were multiple origins for rumors that she had come to LA.

But I never heard of her staying with him.

I did see a woman I didn't know, living in a side house in his backyard. His compound had multiple little dwellings.

Carlos even introduced me to her, without explaining who she was.

But when Ellis asked about La Gorda, Carlos told her she'd tried to take over the apprentices still in Mexico, and died.

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u/DreamingTheDouble 1 points 2020-04-14 16:24

If you want to know what the heart part is, get yourself a little Fairy (an inorganic being you coax into a helpful form), and see how you feel when it poses on your hand.

Yesterday morning I was having a conversation with someone as I was waking up. I was being told that I need to "order my IB to evolve so that it may be useful to me, that is their purpose".

Basically like, it won't happen without a command on my part. And that, it's purpose was to evolve to a higher level so that it may be useful to me, as the current form is useless to me.

Any idea on how to accomplish this? Is it just a simple matter of intent and telepathic command?

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-04-14 16:45

I don't know if you can actually see it, or it's in your head.

If it's in your head, go to the Tulpa subreddit. They surely have good tips for making one that's only in your mind more substantial.

And "only in your mind" doesn't last long. If you interact with it many times, an inorganic being will notice and inhabit it.

They do that in dreaming all the time. If you try to pass the gates, somewhere along the line you realize, a dreaming phantom doesn't have to remain a phantom.

If you give it attention, a scout can easily replace it. You have to watch for the "glitch", like in The Matrix.

That requires strong lucidity. But what you'll perceive is, things moved around a bit, and you didn't see the in-between positions.

I'll be very excited when we get more strong lucid dreamers. I'd like the following question answered:

If you have a group of 5 phantoms, with one inorganic being controlling (projecting) them all, how many do you have to stare down before you find the real one?

I believe it's fixed at 2!

But there's no one around to compare notes with.

On the other hand (relative to whether yours is imaginary), if you learn to see it visually, just stare it down and order it to become what you want.

Staring it down is to test if it's a phantom or not. It'll go away if it's a phantom.

But seeing a sight like that will likely bring a replacement, and it might just honor your request.

Why does it bring a real one?

They're highly attracted to "Wow!!!!!"

If you do something that makes you feel that wow, it releases the kind of energy they love most.

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u/DreamingTheDouble 2 points 2020-04-14 16:14

I am new to recapitulation, but I do think I've noticed a difference in feeling more whole, or feeling like I've successfully taken some of my energy back. My inner space feels less scattered.

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-04-14 16:32

It activates the second attention (dreaming).

Think about it! You sit there with eyes closed, breathing smoothly, while you endlessly visualize memories.

In the brain that means, you send sodium ions down tiny little tubes which get wider as a result.

That's how we learn. Those sodium ions push on the sides of the tube, and it widens. That makes it easier to flow.

As a result, we start to gain back things we lost long ago, which also corresponds to more positions of the assemblage point.

EVERYTHING we perceive is a position of the assemblage point. Even tiny variations in our daily world.

So recap makes the assemblage point more flexible, increases the ranges it can take during the day, and the visualizing combines the second attention, with all of those old positions.

It's rather awesome.

When you find yourself able to "feel" a giant spider web in front of you, with each event in your life a part of it, connected to the other parts, you've saturated yourself.

Not that you can give up then. Taisha's done 5, as far as the notes we have about it. Maybe she's on #6 now.

The most interesting thing to me, in all this, is whether our lives are fixed events, and we just discover them one at a time, by moving our assemblage points around.

That would explain how don Juan was able to make that leaf fall over and over again. All he had to do was micro-control Carlos' assemblage point, and move it back to when the leaf first fell.

If Einstein was alive and interested in sorcery, I think he'd agree with the fixed life events concept.

It agrees with his belief in Causality. Once the universe blew up, the series of events was unalterable.

As a side note, if you don't send sodium ions down a given tube, it eventually shrinks and becomes non-functional.

As babies, we have 10,000 tubes per single neuron cell. Each one connects to 10,000 others!

As old people, we're lucky to have 3000.

Our intelligence, and even our very ability to perceive things, goes down.

Hopefully recap helps out with that. It ought to preserve neural connections, and help restore the borderline ones.

I wouldn't be surprised if your IQ actually goes up a bit as a result of a thorough recap.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-13 20:29

I see. That explains a lot.
I only started reading. Then meditated and had some interesting experiences. We shall see what occurs from it.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-04-20 06:27

Fuck. I read some wiki stuff.. I think bipolar mania is heightened awareness with internal dialogue....

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-09 18:32

Hi! I’m back. Did you miss me?
Update:
I’ve found that I’m remembering more dreams and I’ve been half awake during them instead of completely unaware of the outside world.

I was looking in to the darkness last night and I saw a very abrupt movement. That startled me and unfortunately scared me enough to stop. What scared me about it was that the object was 3D and normally this stuff stays relatively 2D as of late. It was an orb that decided to spin as if it was shaking off the blackness like it was water. I tried to go to sleep after I saw that. Started hearing thumps and things. It wanted my attention. A face appeared in my mind like it was talking. Constantly changing appearances. Couldn’t make out what it was trying to tell me. Then I felt a really abrupt feeling, almost if my heart was being grabbed and yanked. I built a wall around myself after that.

I let fear get the best of me. Hopefully it will want to tell me whatever it wants to tell me again tonight and I’ll be able to face it how that I’m well rested.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-15 16:01

>I let fear get the best of me.

I should clarify this topic.

When something frightens us, it interrupts our internal dialogue.

That lets the assemblage point move.

We focus our attention hard, on whatever is threatening us.

Since it might be vague, that means we're focused on something imaginary, or at the least, not in our ordinary range of perceptions.

That causes the assemblage point to move.

That causes goosebumps.

It happens so fast, we don't see the separate steps.

But we do learn over our lives, that the goosebump feeling is "fear".

But it's not!

It's a side effect of fear.

And it's also what you will feel, when you are practicing and have some success at moving the assemblage point.

Then, since you are now in a new position, you have more powerful imagination.

And your brain will come up with a reason for the fear.

What you have to do is simply learn to like that feeling.

Break the cycle of fear.

I like to tell people who talk about being afraid, just go ahead and die.

Accept that!

That's because, if you "reassure" them, they come back for more.

Their practice becomes about finding something to be afraid of, so they can get the reward of running to complain to someone, about how wonderful their experiences are (enough to produce fear).

So just go ahead and die. That breaks the cycle.

Or, understand why it feels like fear, when it really isn't. But that takes experience.

Go ahead and die doesn't.

Take your pick.

It's interesting that Japanese martial artists like to take the "go ahead and die" choice.

If you don't believe it, watch some WWII kamikaze footage.

I have to think, somewhere in the back of that whole martial arts mess, isn't some subconscious knowledge of the assemblage point.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-15 16:58

Interesting stuff. I actually tried to avoid talking about my fear in here so much because it’s something I deal with every day. I already have experience conquering and changing it because I had stage fright. I just kept doing it and doing it, eventually it became excitement.

The purple came very quick last night. I currently worry that 528 ray is a death date for someone I know who is quite old...

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u/danl999 4 points 2020-05-15 17:08

Fear is your friend!

We need it! That's why people like roller coasters.

If we lived in a cozy retirement home, we'd go senile in our 20s.

We run out of energy by our 20s. We were born with plenty, but with no incoming source it gets used up.

Fear is a source.

I supposed, Tensegrity is also. And maybe that's the point of it.

Except that it turns out, it's not enough. You really have to couple it with recap, and silence.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 1 points 2020-05-15 18:02

Fear is your friend!

Here i don't agree, fear is preventing people from gaining real results, i would say fear is natural, and i think Carlos was terrified too when he was dealing with inorganic beings in the sonora desert but he was overcoming fear again and again and may be he was afraid of Inorganic beings for the beginning but he was not afraid to die, i think so. If you fear is about IB its ok but if you are afraid of dying its not! Warrior consider himself as already dead, if not, you could convince yourself that to die is ok whether its now from IB interaction or in twenty years under the wheels of car its not matter....

For me this poem helps a lot actually :

I am already given to the power that rules my fate. And I cling to nothing, so I will have nothing to defend. I have no thoughts, so I will see. I fear nothing, so I will remember myself. Detached and at ease, I will dart past the Eagle to be free

If you are given to the power, let it rule your life, don't be afraid to die today and you will gain some decent results tomorrow because fear is preventing people from practice, preventing them from trying something new in their life, it make them wait all life being afraid to change things they have been used to...

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-15 18:16

I am already given to the power that rules my fate. And I cling to nothing, so I will have nothing to defend.

= follow intent.

Not happiness.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-17 05:09

Follow intent not happiness. I wish I didn’t delete my notes for how I got really far during my gazing. If I remember correctly, it was like I jumped in the current and just got swept away. It didn’t feel like happiness, more like calm excitement, warm fear. Contradictory yet precious and I could only just watch as it took me on it’s journey. Nothing that I could do to stop it.

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-05-17 15:02

That's a gift from intent.

I get them all the time, and am just as frustrated when I can't repeat it.

But over time, you'll find things you CAN repeat. Really cool ones!

I seem to own that magical crystal ball now. I just put out my hand and ask for it, and it materializes.

So, "Tensegrity Toys" can in fact be "collected".

Last night it instantly assembled a world for me to watch.

It sort of looked like pure white sand under a gentle flow of ocean water. Like a flat spot in a mild tidepool at Laguna Beach.

Except, there was no water.

Watching it I realized, I used to visit there as a small child.

It was just something you could learn to see.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-18 06:07

Yeah. I’m seeing that.

Random side note, are there credible books on this stuff that are written by a black woman? There’s someone I know who wants to read this stuff but also really cares about the race identity thing so she can feel seen and relate. Carlos can’t do that for her.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-18 16:18

Best I can think of is the Orange Scout, from private classes.

Again, I have face blindness so identifying people is hard for me.

But there was a young black women in some of the Tensegrity videos. Cholita seems to have claimed she was the orange scout, just before she went catatonic in the car about half a year ago.

Like this video:

But credible books?

I don't know of any by anyone but Carlos and the Witches.

No other system has conceived of the assemblage point.

Even the Buddhists, who do miracles, seem highly confused on what's going on.

So you get indirect techniques, and a lot of time is wasted on pointless and untrue inventories.

This woman isn't black, but maybe she'd count?

I guess you could say, she's my "benefactor" if such a thing hasn't been overused endlessly.

https://www.amazon.com/Not-Innocent-Ears-Spiritual-Traditions/dp/0960446206

Her husband was black. Or not husband.

I was too young to understand such things.

But I liked him because he had a big shot gun. He kept promising to go possum hunting with me. One had become a pest at the Morongo Museum.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 2 points 2020-05-18 16:44

Don Juan was the source of it all. And he certainly wasn't white!

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-18 16:53

I agree. She wants a black woman though so she can relate completely. She is hard headed haha. I’m not trying to force it upon her, I just wanted to know if it existed.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-18 14:54

Also, I saw something try and manifest as it went across my room which is more than I’ve been able to see since that first time intent whisked me away. I also was able to see part of something that looked luminous over the bed, but on my gfs side. And in my mind it seemed like someone was trying to access or interact with me. I don’t know who it was. They looked older. When I closed my eyes we were both under water and the person was looking at me and swimming. Then a shark came and he ran away, then he came back and I threw him away from me but not aggressively. Then I opened my eyes again and I felt like a weird pit in my chest like an energy suck or something. I hope I’m not being stalked...

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-18 16:22

Fear again?????

You should hope you're being stalked by something magical!

Don't tell me you're afraid of spiders too!

Bees?

Car accidents?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-18 16:27

You’re right. It wasn’t as much fear as before. It didn’t stop me. It was more like caution. I looked at fear last night as energy and I was able to see bright purple almost immediately after I did that and saw movements which didn’t scare me. It was just the part of a luminous being it seemed. And it didn’t make me uneasy either. I’m pretty proud of myself to be honest! It was after I woke up today that I had the thought of “I hope I’m not being stalked” haha. You’re right though. Thank you for calling me out. I actually was having fear in my relationship and that’s what caused it. Thank you for setting my head a little more straight. This was the catalyst.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-19 04:57

I... I read your path of the assemblage point. If you feel the tingle in your balls, if you feel the sudden fear, sinking feeling, impending doom, what are those two? Are they things that should be avoided or are they actually experiences that can be used as tools to get better at this or receive more energy. Those are the two most common things I experience and I always think that it’s a bad thing, unless it’s not..?

My assemblage point moves to those places all of the time, and I mean like, all of the time on its own. For 10 years now. I think I figured out what it was.

I kind of blanked out last night. I saw things moving and then I felt like I was seeing two of the room which was very strange. I woke up coughing. I don’t remember much else

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-19 15:32

If you feel the tingle in your balls, if you feel the sudden fear, sinking feeling, impending doom, what are those two?

Sounds like a movement of the assemblage point to me!

The feeling of doom is only present in the beginning, and not for everyone.

It can also be a feeling of guilt, or of having let someone down with what you are doing.

It's just Mr. DoubleTake getting worried about what you're learning to do.

It makes a lot of work for him! Naturally he won't like it.

Avoid them?

How?

Besides, it changes rapidly.

Instead of doom, you'll eventually feel relief, and wonder why you didn't keep yourself in that state, instead of the miserable normal position of our assemblage point, where we suffer endlessly.

My theory is that it’s heightened awareness but

If you can't intercept dreams, it's not.

If you can't scoop colors into your hand, and play with them like shaving cream, it's not.

I’m also so afraid of hurting everyone around me

You may have too much fear to learn sorcery. Seems like you come up with new things to be afraid of daily.

Now you're afraid for other people too?

I guess "fear" was on the list of enemies of men of knowledge.

Don Juan's list.

Mine has that as greed.

You're greedy to repeat some parental interaction that got you attention for as a child.

Better do a bunch of recap.

I guess that's partly why that exists. And why Carlos' original plan was only tensegrity and recap, with some dabbling in silence.

But no attempt to go directly to the fun stuff. His next move was stopping the world.

I can see how an entire workshop of people who play with inorganic beings and assemble other worlds, might have seemed like a bunch of trouble.

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u/Super6eight 3 points 2020-05-19 15:36

Yeah, that’s previous fear. I was living like that from 2008-2018 until I did some very intensive therapy and started recapping. I’m sorry, I guess I’m misrepresenting the situation. I used to feel that way all of the time.
I actually felt it a little last night and then I realized I was misinterpreting it and I had tears of joy and sadness. It was after I wrote that message. I blanked out after seeing 2 parallel versions of my room at the same time and woke up choking. I went to sleep and I’ve woken up with the most energy I’ve felt in such a long time. I don’t understand what happened but I’m thankful.

My fear is getting less and less as I’m recapping. I keep finding the source and doing a recap.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-19 15:46

I blanked out after seeing 2 parallel versions of my room at the same time

Yea, that's not a good thing to do. Split yourself like that.

I usually puke.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-20 19:29

Yeah, so I don’t even know how I got to that point. I don’t remember what happened after that until I found myself laying and coughing like I was being choked.

Anyways, I’m pretty proud of myself for last night because my fear isn’t getting in the way anymore. This has become more fun and I have determination now. I saw black smoke moving across my room. White shadows. Dull purple and bright purple. I felt I was diving in to the purple almost. Inside it were tiny shapes that were almost like static but they weren’t it was beginning to envelop my whole field of vision. I was even able to move my eyes and the purple didn’t dissipate. It moved with it. Progress!!!

Meanwhile, my recapping is really beginning to show me things that I’ve overlooked. All of this is so exciting.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-20 19:46

So remind me again, why you have so much talent?

That doesn't always help.

But it sure makes things more fun! Which makes it easier to practice.

And in the end, what really matters is determination.

Sorcery is not a gate.

It's not a "network".

It's a long tedious road, with some amazing sights along the way, but still tediously long.

And maybe honesty matters.

We have some pretend sorcerers in here on occasion. So far it seems they have to be scared off, because they never learn on their own.

There's poison in their heart. Can't fix that.

They'll never learn, because they pretend they already have. And they can find plenty of like minded pretenders on the net, to back them up.

I like what I hear from you, but it's a bit more talent than you ought to have.

Remind me again, also how old are you?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-20 19:47

Sure. Do you mind if I private message you that information so it’s not floating on these posts? It’s personal history

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u/danl999 1 points 2020-05-20 21:00

Ok.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-21 00:10

I wanted to mention, I was reading the intercepting dreams post. I was wondering what the red was that appeared. I guess it’s used for that then. Sometimes it will appear before the purple but then it goes away.

I also figured out how to like “darken” my vision. Almost like a haze. The room looks the same but it feels a bit different and I can’t tell if it’s making it easier or not to do what I’m practicing just yet with certainty however, it does sound a little like the fog you were talking about. But it isn’t swirling.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-21 15:04

The red is a color choice, and also an object that can be manifested, and also a line of energy you can use for flying.

Probably there's other red things that can happen.

When it's just sitting there amidst purple or some other colors, it's like a choice.

You could smear it such that it takes over and replaces the other color.

When it’s an object that can be manifested, all you have to do is pick it up.

If it’s a line, you were probably tossing water drops around in the air.

If you found something you think helps to “darken” your vision, try it until you decide it doesn't help.

Don Juan regularly used squinting.

And what you practice is always changing.

However, a dark room is extremely useful.

Some of the things you can see in darkness are so absolutely faint, knowing there's no real light in the room is important.

There are at least 3 different effects I haven't reported here, because they're so faint I can't depict them.

But they get brighter the more you watch them.

No one who can't make a dark room should worry about that.

By the time you get to the point of those effects being spoiled by light, you'll have gotten very far with what you have.

And maybe you'll find a daytime path.

The darkness inevitably leads to daytime seeing. But it might be possible to speed that up.

Maybe not completely dark helps with that.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-21 15:27

I’ve actually only practiced once in complete darkness. Most of the time it’s night time with the blinds closed. They’re vertical blinds too so some light seeps in.

Last night I saw something new. It was right at the beginning. I was looking a different direction than I normally start and almost immediately the center of my vision was shaded with a red fog/hue. A giant orb of soft red light that didn’t have any definitive or sharp lines. And then it disappeared after a second.

Dunno what it was.

Also, I was walking around around 730pm and saw a hawk fly and land in a tree near me. It didn’t do anything except just mind it’s own business surrounded by robins and sparrows chirping at it. I also saw a morning dove cooing at the evening sunset, like poetry.

Again, dunno if it means anything but I was inclined to add it.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-21 16:11

I have an aversion to "omens", from being around Europeans too much.

But don Juan did advise to watch for "confirmations" from the environment.

In particular, water burping is a almost surely an IOB.

The red fog/hue can be used with my technique to take a rest in heaven.

If you can manage to sustain it.

Instead of stopping the internal dialogue, replace it with a story, while you gaze into the color.

If it goes away, keep telling the story until you drift off to sleep.

Start over if you get to the end.

When the story starts to tell itself, you're almost there.

At that point, if you see the color, you can enter. But more likely, you'll "wake up" inside the story you told.

It's quite pleasant!

It's not a lucid dream. You go into it, already lucid. And you remain lucid the whole time.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-22 03:54

Interesting. I will try if I see it again

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-23 17:06

So two nights ago, I saw the red again but it’s wasn’t as round and warm. It seemed to not have fully formed but it was mostly formed. I tried telling a story and it just faded away. When it faded, I stopped telling the story. I’m sure it’s because I jumped the gun and got excited.

I had a dream that was semi related to the story I was telling though. At least the beginning was.

Yesterday morning I woke up and saw something weird. I closed my eyes and for a split second I saw what seemed to be two eyes with immense power emanating from them. No pupils, just energy in the shape or eyes. At least that was my interpretation. It was strange

I had it happen again with my eyes open this morning but I was too tired to practice last night

Silence is getting better. I’m really trying hard at it.

That’s all to report.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-23 17:58

I tried telling a story and it just faded away.

That won't work unless you tell the story from a slightly sleepy state.

You're seeing the colors too easily, and probably aren't deep enough into sleep walking to pull that off.

I guess there's some negatives to having talent!

Yea, the eye thing is not uncommon.

Just don't start imagining the "prince of darkness".

Think more like it's a beautiful woman with mysterious eyes.

I'm not sure which is more dangerous. The prince of darkness, or beautiful women.

But at least, they aren't scary.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-23 17:59

To me it seems like a powerful watcher, waiting to see how I accomplish my tasks and deciding when to intervene, a superhero maybe

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-23 18:01

Perfect!

I guess I'm just woman obsessed.

It's probably Cholita.

She's a bit of a temptress.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-23 18:05

That story you told me a few weeks back definitely made me think she was a bit of a temptress bahaha. I would’ve fallen for it for sure if I was in your situation. (I can’t remember the story exactly but I remember my reaction. She said something about sex and grabbed you I think. That kind of confidence really gets my attention.

I forgot to mention that I’m reading the books slowly. Still on the first one. I just feel I need to do it in more bite sized packages. Read until I feel I’ve read enough. Otherwise I’ll just over do it

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-23 19:18

There are 3 kinds of readers.

The obsessed ones, who are deriving endorphins from reading Carlos' books.

They read and grin, and think to themselves, "Yes, this path with heart thing is true! You can tell from the words!!!"

But for that guy, usually his idea of the "path with heart" leads to a book deal.

Some of those have some self-control. The nerd types.

They might make it.

Then there's the guy who reads it as a burden, because he's interested in sorcery.

They pretty much never finish all of the books. It just doesn't catch their interest.

I have no idea what happens to those. They're dependent on someone else to motivate them.

And Carlos and the witches have been unavailable for many years.

The third type doesn't read the books at all. They've got this Kundalini thing down! Not to mention all the years of Chi Gong.

And a black belt in Tai Kwon Do!

Those guys just become annoying, pestering others who have actually read the books.

Until they get a new hobby.

Or curse the whole thing because they didn't get enough respect, and go join a Tantra Yoga coven.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 02:10

I’m somewhere between 1 and 2 haha. I really would like a Nagual but I think I would’ve found one by now if I was meant for that. I have to work on it for myself for the time being.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 14:29

The purple didn’t want to come last night. I saw a little but I got fed up after a short amount of time the shadows moved and I saw a flash of a small white/blue orb in the corner of my room a couple times but couldn’t focus on it. If I moved my eyes it would disappear.

I have to recap those emotions of being fed up. Lots of lack of discipline is now coming out showing me what I had done wrong when I first stepped in to an altered form of reality where as before I was focused so hard on regaining sanity.

No eyes today.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-24 15:28

It can take up to an hour for the eyes to get used to the darkness.

But I can't recall if you're doing it open eyed or not.

The getting fed up is our big enemy. Instant gratification mind set.

You could easily watch TV for 3 hours, but sitting in darkness doing something others claim is pointless doesn't gratify enough.

We fret. And it's not even the rewards.

Whether there are enough.

Long before you get to full on heightened awareness, you'll be swimming in magic. The air will be filled with little light shows.

But it still won't keep you from wanting to do something else, once the initial, "Wow!" is gone.

It's the position of the assemblage point.

This position is "fussy".

Aside from our socialization, which makes us into selfish bastards, there’s also pain in the body.

All over.

It goes away in heightened awareness. Or, it’s more like taking a narcotic. I’m not sure pain killers actually remove the pain.

The last time I had dental work and needed some codeine, it seemed to me that it didn’t really make the pain go away.

Not entirely.

I just didn’t care anymore.

Heightened awareness releases mega-doses of natural endorphins, so it has the same effect.

That’s probably why the breathing slows down and becomes shallow. The opiate effect.

That makes heightened awareness timeless. It doesn't get bored.

It still wants to go watch TV in the long run. But perhaps after 4 hours.

Just to keep you motivated on what you have to look forward to:

Purple puffs lead to lines.

Lines lead to assembling other worlds.

That leads to noticing dark energy.

That leads to having an inorganic being around. Although one can show up earlier than that.

From there you try to refine what happens amidst all the stuff you can do.

You try to "specialize" in something for a while.

It's a mistake.

Go ahead and specialize, but eventually you'll figure out that what you "do" should be based on what's happening.

It's that way all through the books. Zuleica was going to use a different technique to teach Carlos. She only switched to that finger wiggling because of the reaction Carlos had to what she was doing before.

When you start reacting to what’s happening, playing with whatever presents itself, with no goal, real magic shows up.

You suddenly notice, "the nagual".

That's what don Juan called the "path with heart". He said at one point, he wouldn't even want to live without the nagual.

And we're all stuck without it!

That’s why the crazy newbies who come in here are so hostile.

They know they’re missing something, but they’re trying to pretend they found it. With thinking and words.

And if you don’t acknowledge that they found it, probably the only reason they come in here, it’s actually painful to them.

It's like tearing apart the delusion of a paranoid schizophrenic.

You have to understand, their delusions hold their brain together.

There's a conflict in there, and the delusion patches it up.

It reduces the pain.

But a mental trip can't solve our problems.

We need the nagual.

Zuleica's technique will eventually summon it for you.

Don’t ask me what forms it can take. I suspect if someone went through all the books and found all forms, we’d be surprised.

It’s everything this isn’t.

Everything outside our normal world.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-24 18:53

Yeah, I’m just finishing up the first book. Page 86. I’ve seen the purple before, lines, orbs, swirling shadows, almost like smoke, red, purple making numbers and letters, random outlined and colored squares and circles almost like colored static, a whorl, attacked by a few inorganics it seems, white whisps moving across the room or standing over me. Double vision and blanking out followed by waking up next morning with a ridiculous amount of energy. I saw most of it with my eyes open.

The letters and numbers in the purple were eyes closed, the attack was in my dreams or in my minds eye so they could’ve not happened. The rest is with my eyes open.

I’m aware of that impatience/frustration and I’m going to recap it when the time is right. I’ve kind of realized that those omens that are in the first book at least, they’re more related to Don Juan and Casteneda. They’re not necessarily things that would apply to me anyways. They’re the ones that are friends/are one with crows and lizards. Not I.

I’m interested in where my unique path with heart takes me as I believe I’ve learned(unlearned) enough for it to be visible more consistently than previously in my life. I really would like to find my spot though. I haven’t been able to figure that one out just yet maybe I’ll attempt again.

I also believe I accidentally “ran a code” in my brain that made me backtrack and I had to undo it myself today which is also part of why I had so much trouble last night. It’s a constant learning process and I’m going at a comfortable pace however, I may need to speed it up a bit as long as I don’t miss the things that are necessary.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-24 20:21

followed by waking up next morning with a ridiculous amount of energy.

That's heightened awareness.

Apparently you got closer to that position of the assemblage point (far end of J curve), and retained it.

It can tend to make you annoying to other people, who want to be tired and suffer, and don't like to see happy trouble makers.

I may need to speed it up a bit

I lost 2 long time students to fear. They just stopped.

It seems unfathomable to me, but don Juan did in fact state up front, fear was one of the enemies you had to overcome.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 20:48

I stopped really having so much fear towards the practices. It’s more respect now due to my understanding that the fear is just energy motion.

Hmm. I used to be like that all of the time. They call it mania it seems to me...

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-24 21:35

They call it mania it seems to me...

Heightened Awareness is a bit like mania.

It's also a bit like a cocaine high.

They're all happening in the same body, so it's not going to behave all that much differently.

It's just that there's no negative side effects for Heightened Awareness.

I had a 24 year girlfriend for a while, who loved cocaine.

That's how I know the effect of that drug.

Otherwise, myself, I've never gotten high from it.

Just tasted it out of curiosity.

She taught me something I didn't know.

I was getting her, her BFF, and her friend from Asia matching Seagull tattoos.

Turns out the parlor was also selling cocaine.

I asked her if that was hard to get under normal circumstances.

On the way to her house she pointed out the neighborhood drug dealer, saying, "All neighborhoods, wealthy or poor, have a drug dealer house in there somewhere."

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 21:40

I honestly pursued trying to stay in that state 12 years ago until it turned in to psychosis. Now that I understand what I understand now, put in the work that I have (which still isn’t enough), I think it’s way more feasible to accomplish. Before I was missing a lot of discipline, in fact, I was missing an understanding the idea of discipline and why anyone would want it in the first place. It’s strange because I saw a lot of things differently and my self importance and fear was highly triggered. It caused all kinds of bad stuff to happen. After being stable, it all feels better especially with the exponential growth I’ve experienced over the past couple years, even the past few months.

Obviously not without setbacks of course.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 21:47

Are you supposed to recap the times you we’re in heightened awareness/psychosis? I feel uncomfortable yet giddy and I’m starting to see grid patterns in the walls the more I recap my second experience.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-24 22:02

Sure!

Recap everything!

But it doesn't make anything go away.

My understanding is that it simply keeps one image in the mind, from connecting you to another.

It breaks the endless flow of the internal dialogue by producing things you "don't care" about.

You get sick and tired of thinking about that.

Cholita believes that you make a "substitute" of yourself, and the Eagle accepts that.

I think it's more likely, while he's extracting all of your memories, you don't get distracted by each and can sneak around him.

Which might explain how Carlos can "assist" someone. Or how don Juan did, for members of his party who didn't seem to be advanced enough to burn from within under their own power.

These are all my suppositions, don't add them to your inventory.

But I believe it's a little like me seeing Minx (Cholita's pet spirit) for the first time in front of me, as a giant demon head ready to bite.

I've seen inorganic beings do that sort of thing so many times, I had no reaction other than, "Does this thing have a brightness control?"

So you might recap the time your older brother put rabbit turds in your Count Chocula breakfast cereal.

It won't make that go away. Not even the horrible taste as you rubbed your tongue on something "suspicious" in your tasty chocolate cereal.

But you'll no longer feel bad that you'd peed in his shoes the day before.

It'll "disconnect" the images in your mind.

And it makes them brighter, not dimmer.

So it can't hurt to recap anything.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 22:05

It must be due to the immense trauma I felt during those times then. It’s a familiar feeling. Heart pounding, superfluously energetic, general sense of unease, a lack of realistic understanding of what’s actually happening around me.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 22:05

Fun fun fun

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-26 15:40

Finished the first book! Yay!

Silence is going well, I’ve found that when I do music, I’m actually having a lot of trouble getting silent. No wonder I’ve been having an aversion to it.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-26 16:35

It's possible to listen to music while silent, but I think it hampers reaching the deeper levels.

Music can be an interruption to the internal dialogue, which is probably why people love it so much.

But the only world you're likely to assemble using it, is the one it describes.

Descriptions are sticky.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-26 17:24

I read your fern gazing piece, I understand what happened now. “Mr. Doubletake” was throwing a fear tantrum and I couldn’t not do in my altered states of reality. That was my psychosis for years.

As for music, I just have some bratty bs that I need to recap. Self importance things that get triggered when I’m performing to change so I sound like someone or to appease someone other than me. To make my voice not embarrassing which is left over from previous experiences.

Recap recap recap.

After reading fern gazing I got a sense of vertigo that hasn’t gone away for as long as I’ve typed this.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-26 17:45

I'd love to hear anyone's gazing experiences.

Even if it's just a small weird thing that happens.

Like, some parallel lines form. Or colors seem to sparkle (but be specific).

Fast dreams...

If I get enough reports, and if I sort of remember those, I could make a picture to give hints at what gazing looks like, when you're doing it right.

Gazing is indeed the fastest way to learn sorcery.

What else could compete?

Most women could probably sit down, and decide they won't move until they gaze their way into something really weird.

With no other prep!

Imagine how long recap and learning silence can take!

For the men, it's also the fastest way to get convincing things to happen.

So if there turns out to be a cleargreen #3 out there, I suggest you give gazing workshops.

Find a place with a nice stream, and plenty of ferns.

Give them some magic!

Let #1 and #2 give them movements.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-26 18:12

My gazing experience just seemed to have the leaves of trees sparkle. Then I seemed to see innate monster like faces with one eye in pine trees for a while. I’d see faces all of the time. Numbers that seemed to relate to the moment and subsequent moments but I had no idea how to decipher them. Big eye shaped clouds in the sky. Hot flashes and fear were my reactions all while spouting nonsense in my brain. I was trapped at the time. I believe now if I were to drift in to that kind of reality, I would be more than capable of navigating it without the previous issues.

I wasn’t sober, I wasn’t taking care of myself, I was the furthest thing from any of the teachings for years.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-26 21:50

So one concern of normal people is, sorcery is self-induced schizophrenia.

It's a really naive argument.

As if we have multiple brains or something.

But as someone in here pointed out, mental illness comes with an intense internal dialogue.

Not a reduced one.

Observing Cholita, it seems to be true.

I asked her one time to just say her internal dialogue out loud for me.

"I deserve to die. I'm worthless. Everything I do is wrong..."

The interesting question to me is, if someone learned to shut off their internal dialogue, would it mask genetic mental illness?

Let's say you have schizophrenia and some neurons on one part of the brain, create misfirings in unrelated neurons.

Thus delusions.

And paranoid solutions to the delusions.

What if you didn't care about the misfiring into unrelated things?

If the pain of the conflict was gone, wouldn't the paranoid solutions be unnecessary?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-26 22:18

That’s actually why I believe mental illness is myself, reactions to traumatic incidents in ones life. My issues are fading as I recap my worst traumas. To me, genetics have something to do with it to a degree as in how we’re more likely to deal with a trauma. There are perfectly functional people out there who have locked away traumas in any number of ways and they manifest in certain areas of their lives even physically sometimes.
I use the word trauma loosely, anything with a strong emotional reaction can be a trauma and emotional trauma act just like physical trauma to the brain denying access to the neurons and forcing new, rerouted, and shared neural pathways for cognitive thought.
I look at the brain like a computer. A yes or no machine and each experience that we have is us inputting code to store for later use. Recap allows you the opportunity to rewrite or edit the code.

My schizophrenic episodes are largely due to me doing instead of not doing and my internal dialogue running rampant trying to make sense of it all. I just wasn’t disciplined or prepared for it in my past up to that point so I couldn’t endure it.

As for Cholita, my guess is that someone told her those words at some point and she accepted them as fact and now embodies it. She may have came to that conclusion on her own due to a traumatic incident unrelated to another human even. Regardless, she’s using energy to continue manifesting that in her mind if she’s aware of it or not and recap is the only way to replace that code.

I would like to add that I am in no way a licensed psychologist or therapist and my degree is in music. I’ve just had consistent therapy since 3rd grade. And only Cholita can really know what’s going on with her, these are only my thoughts from my on experiences.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-27 15:40

There are perfectly functional people out there who have locked away traumas in any number of ways

I'm not trained in this area, but I research it on occasion, because of Cholita.

Trauma can make it worse, even trigger manifestations.

Certainly if Cholita was living on the streets she'd be far more crazy than she is living safely in my home.

But then then she's crazy, and there's no trauma in her life.

From what I've read, the consensus no longer includes trauma as a cause.

It's all biological.

That doesn't mean recap won't help. Of course it will!

You won't care if you get abstract thoughts. You'll have become familiar with them.

Normally people call those "delusions", and they're a source of actual physical pain, leading to a catatonic state.

It's because a tiny wire that should go to the next neuron, runs far away to unrelated areas of the brain.

(In schizophrenia that is).

It would be like having your video game on your computer, call up the email and write to your 3rd grade school teacher each time you played it.

Part of the reason for Cholita's self-destruct internal dialogue is, it's true!

She's horrible! You have no idea.

An ideal companion for a sorcerer though.

Fortunately, she still feels bad for the things she does.

Thus the internal dialogue.

It's her mom coming out to nag her to be a good girl.

But, I have to say, she deserves it based on her actions.

We've had run-ins with the police 4 times now.

Twice with guns drawn.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-27 15:48

This is out of my pay grade anyways and I’ve been basing my observations off of the “normal” people. It would make perfect sense to me that I have no idea what I’m talking about when it comes to anything outside of the small box I’ve been living in. It reminds me of that pie chart, what you know you know, what you know you don’t know, and what you don’t know you don’t know and the percentages of the pie are subsequently around 1%, 2%, and 97% lol. I just hope that if I do have the right knowledge to help Cholita, or anyone who truly benefit, I can pass it on to them impeccably.

Meanwhile, last night I did a lot of recapping and I feel so much lighter and full of energy. I didn’t realize that some relatively recent events (within the past five years) were weighing me down energetically and emotionally.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-27 16:30

If you do a REALLY good recap, magical things happen!

It's every bit as good of a path as Zuleica's technique.

It's just not that good for restoring Carlos' reputation.

So the Chacmools can recapitulate night and day, assured they get to go along with Carlos.

But it doesn't help anyone else.

In your case, you aren't obligated to help anyone else.

If you keep recapitulating, you'll have weird stuff to report.

(I recommend 2 hours).

IOBs, sure. Swimming in them during recap! You just won't notice it at first.

Assemble other worlds? Yes. You will.

Waking dreaming too!

I'll make a suggestion.

It's unproven, but seems reasonable.

Tensegrity also moves the assemblage point.

But it's done no good in the Castaneda community, because no one is paying attention to that effect.

They get their little Tensegrity buzz, and go back to being an asshole.

You kind of have to covet that feeling. The buzz. Cholita told me, everyone knows about it.

Try to get more of it. Try to understand it. Feel it.

But if you still don't know what the second attention is, it's hard.

In recap, the second attention will turn on like a light bulb at times.

Don't ignore those times. Don't be like the meditation enthusiast, who ignores the fact that he can see the room with his eyes closed.

Play with it when that happens. Even if you have to stop recapitulating for a while.

It won't last anyway. The book deal mind will make it go away soon.

And if it doesn't, you just found a reliable way to immerse yourself in the second attention.

The more time you spend there, the more time the second attention wants to spend with you.

It's our Nagual after all!

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-27 16:33

This is making me think back to the split vision I experienced and blacking out. I have no idea how I got there or how I got out. One thing I do know, and you may not like me saying this, but I haven’t been practicing the colors sitting up, I’ve been laying in my bed staring at the ceiling or other parts of the room. Usually the ceiling. When the double vision happened, it was the only time I was sitting up. That’s all I can remember.

If I’m not sitting up, I wonder if it affects the overall effectiveness of my practicing.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-27 16:42

I’ve been laying in my bed staring at the ceiling or other parts of the room.

A lot of people have no choice, due to a spouse.

I saw my first Whorl, after Ruby the shamaness out at Morongo had been lingering around me for a few days.

I was laying (not sitting) on my bed looking up at the ceiling. It wasn't perfectly dark.

I'll give you the sequence of events, which stretched all the way to the Nagual.

I would see a purple puff up there on the stucco ceiling. It was moving from left to right.

If I watched it, eventually a brilliant purple whorl, with black spinning in it yin/yang fashion, would float by.

If I gazed into it, my face seemed to stretch horizontally. I was stretched until my face was 2 feet wide.

Then it stretched the other way, vertically.

A kind of intense grey static took over everything and I sank into a buzzing sound, completely torn apart and consisting of nothing but that static. My entire "person" was removed and I had no thoughts.

I did that regularly for years until I got too busy, and slowly lost the ability.

When I mentioned it to anyone, I was punished for bringing it up.

Which is how magic is ripped from the soul of children. Ridicule, shame, anger, punishment.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-27 16:47

Interesting. Yeah, the more I recapped last night, the more I saw things, I didn’t really see anything I haven’t seen yet though. Just some red purple, a black fuzzy orb which was probably me not being able to see colors yet, just an outline of a IOB probably, I also saw like black waves shooting down into my gf from the ceiling idk, I’ve seen that before too. I saw a whorl for a second time. But only for a split second. Puffs of purple. The squiggly lines appeared again and stayed for a while. Nothing brand new though.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-27 16:55

Don't make the "book deal mistake"!

You're waiting for a book deal to go by.

So you're dismissing some things. Not good enough for a book deal.

If one comes along you haven't seen, you start planning a new chapter.

Truth is, watching anything at all, coming from the second attention, moves the assemblage point.

You're only job is to watch and try to be silent.

Not to wait for chapter #3 to float by.

(But it will, if you just forget about that.)

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-27 16:59

Yeah, I need to recap it and I’ve been. It stems from a half of lifetime of rejection and being bullied. I actually had that thought last night, like, why am I not enjoying what’s in front of me? I’m trying to force it to happen so I can go and gleefully run to the Reddit and get validation that I’m doing it right. I recapped that but there’s more to it than just the moments I recapped. It’s going to take some time. It was actually after I recapped that I saw the cool stuff. It’s this morning that I’m like, well, it wasn’t “special”. Definitely falling for it. It’s like every morning I start with a new issue haha. They’re getting easier and easier to deal with though.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-28 17:33

Lots of stuff that I’m working through. As I’ve been recapping my biggest emotional turmoils and traumas, my life has been changing, probably for the better, but it also is making things happen that probably had to happen and should’ve happened a while ago. I’ve been seeing some random color outlines during the day lately, it’s been happening on its own. My silence is getting better and better I believe. My comments and talks have been leading me to conclusions that put me at ease and wonder. I’ve been feeling more and more full of energy and capable of accomplishing things that previously seemed like daunting tasks. I believe I encountered someone special on Tuesday. The only reason I believe that is because I tried to recap him and he appeared as a silver serpent in my mind. And then looked me straight in the eyes. I wasn’t frightened. I just know that I made him notice me. We’ll see if anything comes of it.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-29 13:40

I try to report every day.

Was seeing last night and I saw like a black shadow webbing pattern by the side of my bed. I went to reach for it and I saw some colors and things move around my hand. My hand was really warm too. I also saw something dark green and red kind of like a puff but only for a second. I also keep seeing like a small brilliant flash like someone shining a light on extra reflective metal and then pointing it at me for a split second.
I’m just curious if I may be seeing shadows of the things that are actually colorful later down the line.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-29 15:26

Sure, why not?

I never noticed that, but it's entirely possible.

I play with black lately, more than light. You can scoop it the same way you do blobs of purple.

The advantage of the black is that it drives the colors nuts. It intensifies them.

When they get intense, they spin off objects and beings.

But remember: It takes at least 2 hours of play before you get to the really cool stuff. That assemblage point will trigger fun things at about 1 foot distance, but the really nice stuff requires it to finish that J curve. Around 4 feet.

Until you get to full on heightened awareness, the colors are still not all that satisfying. You'll get used to them.

The end of the J curve is also why magic makes you happy. That's a happy position of the assemblage point, and magic is strong enough to keep it there. Magic comes from that position, so if you are viewing it, it's like having a magical internal dialogue.

The internal dialogue is all about this miserable world. The suffering world of the Tonal.

But magic comes from the land of no pity, and so no suffering.

Well. You still suffer a little, until you switch to a dreaming body.

Interestingly, our physical body doesn't seem to be here only.

It can move quite far into the second attention, and still remain.

Cholita tried to visit me last night, and couldn't reach me.

I could see her trying. The dreaming fog was too thick for her dreaming body. It got shredded as she took a step.

I supposed the account of Carlos getting heavier and heavier trying to follow one of the Genaros into another world, was also factual.

There are worlds where you need mass of some kind, or you can't move around.

I'd slid off in search of the nagual. The direction suggests itself, but seems to always be north.

I'm convince the nagual can manifest as a gremlin like creature running around in the dark.

But not any shape you'd visualize. Just the behavior is gremlin like. How it moves around with ease, defying the laws of physics.

But you have to find your way to the tunnel of static to get that view of the nagual.

And I'm still not sure it isn't just another type of being we have access to.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-04 17:20

Just as an update, I’ve been reading a lot. Almost done with “A Second Reality”
Two nights ago, I recapped and I saw great stuff. I almost saw a face in the purple over and over again. It seemed to realize it and got excited. But I think I hurt it by accident. :(

I believe I have a violent nature, a self violent nature. I’m currently working on recapping what I presume are the things making me that way.

Hope all is well!

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-04 18:21

Eyes open or closed, when you saw that face?

Have you decided on what form you'd like your IOB to take?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-04 18:28

Open eyes, I hadn’t decided what I wanted it to look like.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-06-04 18:59

Cool!

Those faces are a lot more useful for moving the assemblage point, than just the puffs of color.

Probably just for entertainment value, but as a programmer you might say, the "information content" of the faces is much higher.

So you're watching more, coming from the second attention, than the simple puffs.

When you can scoop the face into your hand and it's still there (or more typically, reforms), you'll be half the way to heightened awareness.

That's an estimate of course.

To figure out precisely what happens along the way, I'd have to learn to see the assemblage point on demand (I can't), and Cholita would have to co-operate (she won't).

Carlos taunted me to figure that out. I didn't realize it at the time, but that was why he started over, tracing that path with his finger.

He wanted it to stick in my mind, that you could move it gradually, and cool stuff was available along the way.

And we sure could use a better map!

The map Carlos left us was sort of like the double black diamond ski hill.

We need the "baby ski hill".

Little peaks and valleys only 1 foot high, on a gently sloping course.

With a cliff at the end of course, just for fun.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-06 03:44

I’m not entirely sure it was an IOB. I’m afraid it was a dreaming body... I hope I didn’t harm it
Also, my self control/discipline sucks. Any tips on how to fix that efficiently other than recap and silence?

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-06 16:30

No, I never had that problem so I don't know how to overcome it.

But if you keep practicing, you will with time for sure.

I mean, unfortunately, decades.

But, if you concentrate the practice and figure out how to make progress you can view each day, you could reduce that to 5 years.

Just an estimate. And during those 5 years, there would be plenty of rewards all along the way.

Eventually of course, if you move the assemblage point back and forth daily (playing with colors does that), it gets used to being at those positions.

Carlos probably expected Tensegrity to do that for us, but people didn't put in the time on the other things needed (recap and silence).

So the range of their movement was too small to be noticeable.

You need it to move enough to get second attention manifestations, even if they're really lame. Almost nothing.

Doesn't matter. It's like having friends on a path in the forest, whispering to you from behind bushes, to go down this path, not that one.

And so, during the day, you might "notice" something in the good direction (towards heightened awareness), and move a little bit there.

Combined with silence, you'll inevitably lose the human form.

I can't imagine that wouldn't fix the issue.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-09 08:44

I’ve noticed that I keep seeing “shadows” in the corner of my eye. It happens multiple times daily now.

I feel I almost got my spiritual body trapped in a forest a couple days ago. Every time I closed my eyes, all I could see was that forest. I felt tangled. I wasn’t sleeping.

A different fear overcame me and made me refrain from practicing for a day or two. I just realized now that it was overcoming me again and I fixed it.

I’ll be in touch. Almost done with A Second Reality

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-09 16:19

Yea, the shadows...

There are other things.

I suspect they're your awareness detecting things from the second attention, while you are in the first attention.

Might be good to move your assemblage point in daylight, if you can manage silence.

They're possibly like those colors you can see in darkness.

Not much use by themselves, but for moving the assemblage point into heightened awareness, it's possibly all we have available to us.

About being trapped: It happened to Miles at Pandora.

Carlos' compound has a large entry way. It's sort of a room between the stairs, the hallways to the rest of the house, and the front door.

Except it's a bit away from the front door. There's probably a name for that kind of room, in some old Sherlock Holmes movie.

You have a view of the back yard from there, as I recall. Quite impressive!

It's covered in very nice wood, with a beam to hold up the next story, also covered in wood.

Carlos had "infinity theater" in that house, and I've heard that beam got involved at times.

It's a power spot.

Miles walked past it, and got trapped in another world.

One of the witches had to go get him.

I have no idea how Miles would describe it, but it's a common theme that your second attention body can get trapped somewhere, without the first attention even being aware of it.

For example, the statement that sorcerers protect the real body of their comrades while they are traveling in the second attention.

Or that the IOBs will kidnap a person's dreaming double, then later on figure out how to capture their mass and transport it to their world.

Or, even more universal, that all of us had a dreaming double wandering around in infinity somewhere, which is impossible to locate.

But that with some people, it's "right there!", as Carlos put it.

Right beside them at times, and accessible to a sorcerer for teaching.

I knew someone like that.

I had a conversation with her dreaming double, which I was later able to verify from physical evidence.

She had no idea what had happened.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-09 16:24

Yeah, I think I may have gotten it back but it wasn’t easy. I recapped the moments prior, I prayed to focus attention/intent, I also recapped a part of my life that I knew was holding on to a significant amount of energy for me. I then was able to escape from what I imagined. I fear I’m being stalked now though.

I knew that I was in trouble the moment I saw a peculiar mound on the path I was walking in the forest the other day. I was just getting a weird feeling and I knew I needed to stay away from it. I tried to walk past it without touching it thinking it was enough but obviously it wasn’t. I just have to keep going.

Last night/this morning I felt like I was being sucked out of reality. I also was getting pains above my navel and in other parts of my body as well.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-12 18:20

I wonder where my dreaming double is. I feel it is in random places at any time. I would love to truly see but I may end up being like Carlos in the first couple of books. I think I escaped becauee I’ve been able to imagine my “safe space”. That night I was unable to imagine it. It kept getting replaced with the Forest area I had to alter through and then a tree using its roots to entangle and consume me.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-12 18:59

It's out there!

I think a lot of this is less complicated than it seems.

Our dreaming double can't go away. We all have one.

It wanders around from world to world, including virtual worlds only created by it's own intent.

The IOBs can kidnap that one. Or, you can summon it nearby, and it can also get trapped, as it did with Bruce at Pandora.

It seems totally crazy only because our Island of the Tonal was designed to ignore it.

In the case of Cholita, just being around her lets me collide with it on a regular basis, even if her Island of the Tonal isn't aware of it.

I suspect Carlos was trying to find women who's dreaming double was more easily available, perhaps to form a group that had plenty of resources in it. Especially for the men, since they tend to learn to control things more manually, but are rather powerless compared to women.

Now, if you want to know where it is, scooping colors leads to that automatically.

But you have to daily move your assemblage point, then let it drift back on its own.

Daily.

Even if it's only a little. So a little gazing movement is enough, as long as you do it everyday.

That also leads to the third attention.

Presumably Tensegrity moves it a little, so done daily it ought to have benefits.

They just didn't turn out to be enough, to bring out real magic in people.

So Carlos' knowledge was doomed by failure to prove he wasn't making everything up.

Carlos would have fixed that, but his time was up.

I'm not enough. We need more than just me able to do real magic.

(Not the eyes closed kind).

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-12 19:04

Fair. I’ll continue my practices. I haven’t been making much headway and have been ignoring what needs to be done. Silence is better, color seeing is immediate. I saw blue last night for a little while instead of purple puffs. But I’m definitely not practicing discipline very well. It feels like two worlds pulling me different directions. When I dive in to sorcery, my work suffers because I don’t see the need for it, then I dive in to work, and I forget to practice sorcery. I get to tired. The only thing I can consistently continue is silence. We’ll see how far that takes me as soon as I achieve true silence. I’m getting closer

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-12 20:42

Sounds like a good experiment.

It took me 3 hours to move my assemblage point far enough to assemble other worlds last night.

And 1 hour just to see decent colors. 2 hours to get Fairy to come out to play.

Cholita had interrupted my practices 2 days in a row, so I was back to struggling.

However, you can also learn to see colors in daytime, and inorganic beings, by the same method.

So it has multiple benefits, not just the obvious ones.

Once you move it back and forth a bit, you'll find a "trick" that will let you move it in the day.

Then be prepared to see little things crawling around, or coming to visit.

Nothing scary by then, since you realize they can't touch you, and you can't touch them.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-16 06:42

Yeah, I saw a purple grumpy face a couple times a few nights ago. Kept dissipating every time I focused on it. Tonight I see a small black shadow with different shades of grey and white. It seems to be trying to scare me. I’m guessing it’s the one making all the noise in the attic above me

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-16 16:19

So the job is, keep watching it!

Or the shadows. Doesn't matter which.

But it's easier to get the grumpy face to make kissy mouth if you like, and a lot more fun to watch.

BIGGEST BEGINNER MISTAKE: trying to do something cool.

Just watch, and be as silent as you can.

When you begin to feel shivers or tingling while you watch, and there's a sudden increase in the brightness or details, you've succeeded in moving your assemblage point at least another 6 inches down the J curve.

"Cool" happens near the lower back.

Impossible happens when it comes up the other side to the front.

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u/converter-bot 1 points 2020-06-16 16:19

6 inches is 15.24 cm

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-16 23:02

Ima keep working. But yeah, I’ve gotten to that crystalline dreaming snow before. A shame it doesn’t do much for you.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-16 23:06

I believe this is why Silvio Manuel never did anything on his own.

Despite the fact that he was the master of intent, and could do anything.

And while don Juan had him at his disposal, he also rarely had anything he needed doing.

At some point you realize, something.

I won't say what because I don't know yet.

But I believe it's like being in a 3D virtual world and not knowing it.

So you care a lot about the things you can do.

Then you discover how to do more and more things you shouldn't be able to do.

And finally realize, it's a 3D virtual computer generated world.

That sort of takes the urgency out of doing stuff.

Fortunately, I have a goal in mind.

Restoring Carlos reputation to where it was before workshops.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-19 04:28

Yeah. I’m right there with you. I’ll help if I can in some way, as repayment for helping me.

Last night I thought I was going to die. I closed my eyes and it actually kind of looked like that tunnel that technomagic posted earlier. I was spinning. I’m too tired tonight to practice but I went quite far last night into unknown territory for my liking. I think I believe the world is predatory so I’m attracting predatory things. I must recap it.

The tunnel wasn’t brown. It was more thin greyish dull colored lines.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-19 16:02

I've seen 3 distinct tunnel types.

I supposed you're facing one of the enemies of men of knowledge right now.

Fear.

I never had to face that one.

True, the little smoke ally is very scary, but it didn't make me want to stop. It just made me want to learn to control it.

Get an IOB as soon as you can. That'll help you learn to overcome fear.

Everyone's afraid of kidnappings!

Heck, I love it when they offer me access to their world!

I just don't go very far in there.

It could be, if you visit often they leave you alone?

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-19 23:09

I guess I’ll have to get that IOB as you said then. My dad says IOBs are a pain though but he won’t elaborate.

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-06-19 23:17

There's a general unwarranted hatred of them. I blame Leigh for that, posting in chat rooms.

If you honestly read the books, Carlos was nearly 100% trained with IOBs.

Mescalito, the little smoke, the devil's weed ally, are all inorganic beings.

One helped him out when he first stopped the world.

Same thing happened to me.

And as I said before, probably nearly 90% of what we know now, came from the ancient sorcerers messing with IOBs.

They're the only way I can think of, to make those elaborate rituals they used to move their assemblage points, actually workable.

Which reminds me. I suspect don Juan, with those crazy power plant antics in the early books, was giving us a taste of the old sorcerers methods.

It's easy to get confused and think it was some actual recent sorcery technique, perhaps from the Cahuillas, or the Yaquis.

I think more likely, it was from a re-run of the old sorcerers.

On the other hand, don Juan himself and his entire group might be a re-run of a single sorcerer who taught Carlos and knew of that lineage.

Someone from Morongo suggested a name for that person. I can't recall it thought.

But once you can get silent, even a tiny little whiff of intent will produce a parallel reality.

That technique for manifesting objects is a good way to learn about that.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-20 20:25

Yeah, from what I’ve been reading, I tend to agree.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-06-28 03:46

I was curious, I kind of get in to a mode sometimes when staring in to the darkness. It’s like staring at nothing and my vision goes completely black while my eyes are open. Is there anything I can do with that?

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-06-28 16:19

Are you blanked out? Or conscious the entire time, even if it's strange?

Blankouts are a huge bonus!

TM people don't like them. They believe they've fallen asleep.

Maybe, but it's not completely so.

The assemblage point moved too far, and you didn't refocus your attention on something.

When it moves slowly, it's a little like being in a car, traveling along the road. You see the McDonald's and you know where you are. Next you see the 7-11 and the bank.

Your attention moves from one thing to the other. And you recognize them.

If you don't, it still fits in a context you know. You might say, "Is that Popeye's new or did I just miss it before?"

But if the car suddenly jumped into the middle of the desert, where you couldn't recognize anything, you wouldn't know what to focus your attention on.

For an instant, you'd go blank. All those familiar feelings would be gone, while your brain tried to figure out what to pay attention to.

Only an instant in that case, because the desert is also part of your inventory. You'd see a cactus, and come back to being alert. It's the desert you'd think.

When it's caused by a movement of the assemblage point, the blank out can last a very long time. It can even lead to sleep, because nothing is familiar.

Blank outs are good. Figure out how it happened, and try to do it over and over again.

That's how you learn to move your assemblage point by yourself, without a technique.

There's a story in the books where the old sorcerers set a huge rock as a trap, and waited for people to walk by so they could send their 12 allies to scare the heck out of them. Don Juan brought Carlos, who was indeed frightened.

Until his nagual decided to take over, and moved his assemblage point.

When the old sorcerers saw he could do that without a ritual or technique, they took off, "like a bat out of hell".

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-01 05:57

Idk if it’s like a full blank out. It’s almost like I’m thinking of nothing and darkness is consuming my vision and then I feel I’m getting off track or am stuck and I come back. Maybe I am actually getting somewhere and I’m thinking my way the opposite direction. Damn

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-01 16:06

So, "black out" is complicated.

I like to break it up into 3. Blank out. Black out. Fall asleep.

ALL of them are great if you're practicing.

So which doesn't matter, unless it's "Fall asleep", and that from fatigue.

If it's not from fatigue, falling asleep is every bit as good as blank out.

It's like a black region you fall into, realize it, crawl back out, and then do it again.

On the EDGE of all of that, is where we want to stay for a bit when we practice.

And then find something to get our attention, which comes from the second attention (meaning, it ought not be there.)

Carlos was taught by don Juan, using his allies to speed things up.

So each "lesson" was like an orgasm. I'm afraid, I see new people expecting that.

They'll follow my advice, have very good results, but it wasn't orgasmic, so they lose interest.

For now, we're only trying to catch guppies. Forget about the whales.

And even dead guppies count.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-01 16:09

I realized that last night right after I sent that message. Images were starting to form. Like outlines of things as I stayed in that space. I stayed away from it literally because it didn’t seem to produce immediate results. Boy was I wrong. I thought I was going the wrong way every time that happened. I did end up falling asleep but I had a relatively lucid dream.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-07-01 17:53

It's why meditation doesn't work out for people, despite the fact that nearly all meditation systems will bring out the second attention.

They've been told to expect the wrong thing!

And to ignore the right things.

Any weirdness you can experience, while silent, will move the assemblage point.

And fright too!

Cholita often helps my practice out, by slamming something really hard in the middle of the night.

It just knocks my assemblage point right out of position, it drifts freely, and I see amazing things all around me.

You wouldn't necessarily notice that as a beginner. You get the fright, but you move your assemblage point back quickly. Weirdness is not tolerated.

Once you do tolerate it, it can move freely, influenced by intent.

I supposed Genaro used to sneak up and scream behind Carlos, for the same purpose.

Which contains a valuable lesson.

Don Juan and don Genaro together, could not move Carlos' assemblage point wherever they wanted.

They had to use fright at times.

Which means, get Carlos to move it himself.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-06 06:24

I wish my fright wouldn’t pop in. I was reading Casteneda and the story of the falcon/gazing. I wanted to start doing gazing cross eyed and out of nowhere a very large firework went off, I thought it sounded like someone slamming on my ceiling, but then another firework went off after I attempted to ask my death if I was going die if I continued reading. It kept saying no, and then pop! Both times. Shivers down my spine. I had to stop reading and now I’m afraid to start again. I know you were saying not to let fear and “omens”/superstitions too seriously but it was just so emotionally evoking that I’m still a bit shaken up. Maybe I was too non-solid to gaze and just not ready.
Blegh

Edit: decided to do the zuleica pass and my navel area started stinging so I stopped

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-06 15:18

Boy, you've got obstacles to overcome!

I never had the fear problem. Sure, things scared the crap out of me.

But I always assumed they were completely imaginary and couldn't do anything to me.

You must believe in this stuff more than I did!

Certainly I fully believe now, because I've seen miracles daily.

But once you do that, you realize none of it can harm you, unless you make the actual choice to walk into another world.

And even then, it seems pretty safe at our levels.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-11 03:08

Haha thanks 😎

Reading Castenedas third book, I started crossing my eyes the other night and trying to look at the spot in between. It kind of hurt and then suddenly my closet door started stretching towards me rapidly and got right up to my nose. I had to close my eyes and shake my head to come back to reality. I thought “that’s enough for tonight” and it made me stay away for a good couple of nights but now I’m back at it again.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-11 17:13

Mr. DoubleTake attacked you...

He's a bastard most of the time, but eventually you realize, he's just a frightened child whos been hazed by everyone around him. He doesn't want to be a bastard.

He was forced. Mostly by your mom I suspect, in most cases.

Interesting that Mr. DoubleTake's method for getting rid of stuff includes both blinking the eyes, and shaking the head.

In Taiwan, the Taoist monks use head shaking to get into a trance.

For those of you enamored with Taoism, I have to say, you have no idea what it's become. You're barking up the wrong pee marked tree. It's marked from all the male pissing contests over the thousands of years since it was pure. Taoism is the kind of thing that appeals to men on ego trips. And child molesters, unfortunately.

You don't want to be that kind of "sage".

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-11 17:20

Haha yeah. It actually comes from my dad. He drilled into me that this stuff can kill me.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-11 17:33

Maybe I lucked out then. My dad was an anthropologist studying shamans (in part).

I remember having a conversation with him about what "power" was.

All the anthropologists liked that question because they had some of their own inside info from shamans of the local tribes.

Too bad I didn't know what I know now. I could have really put a monkey wrench into that argument.

I could have said that no one has any power, but if you feel that you have it, you have intent on your side because of your actions.

Power is an illusion.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-12 19:05

I thought personal power was stored. And then extra power was stored somewhere else.

Either way, last night I basically was being enveloped. I couldn’t stop the images from coming. It was almost like dreaming was overtaking my reality. I kept seeing sparkles everywhere (almost like seeing stars when you stand up too fast) but it was different. Weird things have been happening by me though. The transformer blew a couple days ago. Today a tree broke and blocked one of the entrances to my building. Logically, I have nothing to do with that but...

Idk 😐

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-12 19:47

Na.

I'm not sure why he said that.

Maybe for the same reason the witches (and Carlos once in a while), insisted you could save up "seconds" of silence.

And when you had enough, bingo!

That's so wrong...

It's like telling a child if they save their pennies, they can buy a house.

You'd be better off to tell the child, "Hey idiot, if you want a house you have to work really hard! And you just don't have it in you at your age."

As for personal power, it's almost entirely our connecting link to intent that matters.

Beyond that, be in good shape, don't consume too many intoxicants, and learn to be silent.

I believe, the "personal power" thing was just more old sorcerers ideas.

Carlos was given a crash course in old sorcerer techniques in the first books.

Sparkles everywhere sounds like the crystalline dreaming fog.

It works like this:

The goal is to learn to see energy on the horizon. The so called, "Readers of Infinity" technique.

Zuleica was merely having him scoop it, to build up the dreaming body. And wiggle his fingers to stimulate the fibers.

But that inevitably leads to being a reader of infinity.

Mostly that's on flat surfaces.

But if the colors fill the air, that becomes a surface.

And you begin to view energy in the air.

It can get so thick it becomes an obstacle.

But I wouldn't expect it at your stage.

So I suppose your assemblage point is a little more flexible than others, and prone to horizontal movements.

Ideally we'd like a straight movement, down the center of the slice. Along the J curve, but not deviating left or right too much.

It's probably only in the middle that you feel like, "yourself", even if it moves all the way to heightened awareness.

If it moves too much to the side, it can interfere with practicing because it can either become very unpleasant, if it moves right, or you can see god and angels, if it moves too far left.

Seeing god and angles interferes just as much as disturbing physical sensations.

From the experiences of others, those lateral shifts can put in you a different mood the next day. One even a little unpleasant if it remains to the right.

Maybe it's like starting a tiny screw in a threaded hole.

I have to do that all the time, to repair the electronics I designed. We sell to universities, so if it breaks, I have to fix it for them. That's why they use us.

The top of the tiny screws wobbles laterally a lot when you first start, but once the screw hooks on to at least 2 threads, it begins to go straight down with no trouble. It stops wobbling.

You're wobbly, that's all.

I suppose about those bad events, you could take those as a not-doing.

Some part of you trying to stop you from escaping the internal dialogue.

Carlos might have blamed the fliers for the transformer.

There are some notes written by Corey, where Carlos discovers his doctor is trying to marry one of the 2 young and handsome Canadian brothers.

Every woman in class had the hots for those guys!

Carlos announced, "We're under attack!", when he found out.

In the context of Corey's notes, it makes Carlos sound like a jumpy cult leader.

But in fact, it's true.

If you try to escape, you come under attack.

Rather than complaining over something random that shouldn't have bothered him, he was in fact teaching.

So I'd repeat it to you here.

Yes, you do come under attack!

That's what makes us "warriors".

Not how cool we look in our badass sorcerer's costume.

Except for Cholita. She looks fine in her badass witch outfits.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 1 points 2020-07-13 07:45

Except for Cholita

In one of his interview, Carlos told Josephina lived for a certain period in Mexico after Don Juan left. Supposing she could be still here it would be great to find Josephina through the dreaming and join Cholita with her as a weird tandem)

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-13 16:32

I can't even get Cholita to go out to dinner with me.

The car I bought her is missing. No word from her on why the car is gone.

It's not likely I can convince her to go hunting for Josefina.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-14 21:43

Well, being under attack, you just power through I guess?
I wish I had a nagual 🥺🥺🥺. Lol

I just feel I need protection.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-14 21:59

No, the attacks make it harder to get silent. So rather than powering through, you're just trying to undo the damage.

I don't know that you ever beat them. You just learn not to go around angry/crazy people.

Which unfortunately, usually includes all of your friends and family.

They reach up and try to pull you back into the river of filth.

Because they might "need" you there.

And after all, it's for your own good. They'll save you from crazy sorcery nonsense...

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-14 22:01

Yeah, I’ve noticed. Since I’ve been practicing and changing dramatically, I’ve noticed that pretty much everyone around me is just constantly going through something extremely draining and I don’t allow myself to get dragged in to it as much as I can

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-16 17:56

I’ve been seeing purple faces now for a second or two. I also have been seeing turquoise splotches of fog along with the purple. Red as well but not as much. It comes quite quickly. Within 10 minutes.

Edit: I think I discovered that I construct a mythical reality that isn’t either tonal or sorcerer, it’s somewhere in between with an emphasis on everything is trying to damage me. I’ve isolated the incident and I believe that that is where my fear comes from. I essentially give beings I’m aware of a “sword” and then try to make them attack me inadvertently to satiate a cycle based off of abandonment, self hate, and betrayal instilled at a young age.

👍🏻

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u/danl999 5 points 2020-07-16 19:34

Just find some dark energy, and drink a big glass!

You'll start to love fear. It's our best friend.

Turquoise? And someone said, "Teal".

Very rare for me. I once had to crush a big patch of light with my fists, in order to extract teal.

Yes, you can crush the puffs of purple you see! Smash them with your fists.

But only when they become "directional".

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-16 19:36

Interesting. I’ll try next time.

Edit: I also keep seeing things in the corner of my eye during the day now too

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-16 20:26

Wait until dark men start running across your path at work.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-16 20:30

I see one watching me a few times a day

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-20 02:03

Hey! Haha. I’m being told that my tonal isn’t strong enough right now which is one of the reasons why fear is coming in and I feel this is so dangerous. I need to do physical stuff and healthy stuff as well. Just wanted your thoughts?

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-20 15:35

You get used to the sensations, and the inorganic beings.

Can you speed that up with recapitulation?

I wish I knew. I did my recap first, before I figured out how to move my assemblage point deliberately.

So I can't go back and figure out if recap speeds things up.

But I believe we'll soon have 4 or 5 in here with their own visible inorganic beings, and who can also "see energy".

And we can find out how specific things affected the results.

But don't forget that we're really simple animals. Not nearly as complex as we believe.

So some boxing lessons might help. There's nothing like learning why you can't afford to flinch, when someone is attacking for real.

And getting hit over and over tends to make you calmer in the face of fear.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-20 19:42

Yeah, I’m not sure if that’s the right path for me either. I think the fear derived from lack of confidence and being mentally/physically abused by my colleagues at young ages.

I did see flash of a purple man that was wrapped in like bandages last night during my gazing. At this point it happens whether I want to or not.

Edit:

Could only see the man shaped figure for a split second and then I reacted and it disappeared.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-07-20 20:19

That's normal.

Eventually it'll remain for hours if you keep playing with it.

Basically, we want to interact with them as we do with people. No different.

Interacting causes our emanations to get stuck in them, the same way they do in people.

That's what they are after.

Something about that seems to put a limit of 3 on how many a sorcerer has. At least, I can't recall anyone with more in the books.

And also, any interaction they have with other people modifies their behavior.

Probably even different emanations get lit up in them.

The old sorcerers turned into them, by deactivating the emanations not associated with inorganic beings.

It seems like a really complex thing to do, but I suspect how to do that will eventually become obvious to all of us.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-21 16:14

Well, I’ll keep at it. Last night was a whole different story that I’m not getting in to.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-07-21 16:20

Just remember this, when you're suffering.

The suffering part is the learning. Not the fun parts.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-21 16:28

Wise words.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-08-15 23:13

Hi! I’m still here. Just wanted to let you know that I’m still working on this stuff. I’ve cut the dreaming part for a bit to work on stalking. I think that my misconceptions were getting in the way of me doing that kind of work and needed to be abated. I am now slowly edging my way back in to dreaming practices.
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u/danl999 2 points 2020-08-16 15:18

It's just a time problem isn't it?

It works if you can find 3 hours a night.

Might be unpleasant however. Just have to get through that.

JD is planning an ambitious experiment.

He might be restoring Carlos' idea to collect 200 women, where he actually only collected 50.

That wasn't enough to help Carlos jump grooves, so he abandoned it.

But JD seems to be gathering up his own 50 women.

It might be possible to tie that to the intent Carlos had. Especially since Carlos had intended me to be one of the male, "witnesses".

If it works out, they're going to try scooping colors while forcing silence. 2 full hours!

I commented to JD, "Mostly women???"

Shit. Keep me out of there.

Cholita's enough for me.

I was prowling around last night, knowing Cholita was sleeping in the garage.

I wanted to see what her mood is lately.

I glanced in the fireplace and saw a picture.

Another spell.

There are nearly no pictures of me around.

But Cholita found one from when I was still in junior high.

She burned or drew with dark ashes, a moustache on my face, put vampire fangs, added some blood dripping down the lip, put a $ sign on the forehead, and wrote, "I AM PIG" on the chest.

God only knows what could come of JDs experiment, if even 10 of them learn to reach heightened awareness.

I'd suggest, RUN!

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-08-24 04:38

Yeah, women are fearsome creatures. They’re the reason I keep pulling away from this and then having to come back. A few women in my life are trying to use me for “utilitarian” and personal gain.

Anyways, here’s something interesting;

I was staring at a wall in my condo and I started seeing some weird stuff. The wall quickly turned white with yellow spiderwebs and there was like shimmering or tv static in a condensed area. It kept morphing in to like outlines of birds and other happy animals in kind of an animation like way. They were smiling at me when they were looking at me. I observed for a little while and now I came to post this message

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-08-24 16:34

You were simply, "Seeing energy on a horizon".

That's the ENTIRE goal of color scooping.

However, I've come to realize lately, color scooping has an odd side effect.

Your dreaming double becomes your good buddy!

He still remains hidden from view. Which is odd, because at times, he'll actually visit us.

It's almost like he (or she) is so curious about what you are doing with the puffs of color, that she stands right behind you, looking over your shoulder, and when you try to do something really hard, she can't resist helping out.

So a great example is, one time I had a window materialize on my wall.

I was doing what you were doing here. Seening energy on a horizon.

My bedroom wall.

The window as real! I could see the other side.

I wanted in so badly!

But I was afraid to move at all.

Suddenly, I stood up partially, like you might cross legged, legs still highly bent, and I literally leaped through the wall.

It worked! I landed on dirt, in another world.

THAT was my dreaming double taking over. It simply could not resist!

Cholita on the other hand, being a witch who's done recap and tensegrity, has a solid dreaming body.

But it is NOT her friend. In fact, they don't seem to like each other.

So you can learn to do this stuff anywhere, even in daylight.

I suppose women are like that.

But it's important to make friends with your dreaming double. So it's there to help you out when needed.

The only technique I know to accomplish that is the darkness technique.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-08-24 16:34

You were simply, "Seeing energy on a horizon".

That's the ENTIRE goal of color scooping.

However, I've come to realize lately, color scooping has an odd side effect.

Your dreaming double becomes your good buddy!

He still remains hidden from view. Which is odd, because at times, he'll actually visit us.

It's almost like he (or she) is so curious about what you are doing with the puffs of color, that she stands right behind you, looking over your shoulder, and when you try to do something really hard, she can't resist helping out.

So a great example is, one time I had a window materialize on my wall.

I was doing what you were doing here. Seeing energy on a horizon.

My bedroom wall.

But that technique comes with choices, selected by intent.

In this case, the window was real! I could see the other side.

I wanted in so badly!

But I was afraid to move at all.

Suddenly, I stood up partially, like you might cross legged, legs still highly bent, and I literally leaped through the wall.

It worked! I landed on dirt, in another world.

THAT was my dreaming double taking over. It simply could not resist!

Cholita on the other hand, being a witch who's done recap and tensegrity, has a solid dreaming body.

But it is NOT her friend. In fact, they don't seem to like each other.

So you can learn to do this stuff anywhere, even in daylight.

I suppose women are like that.

But it's important to make friends with your dreaming double. So it's there to help you out when needed.

The only technique I know to accomplish that is the darkness technique.

You "lure" your dreaming double, with a fantastic light show.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-08-24 04:42

As for the dreaming practices, it’s too easy for me to dive quickly in to it. I constantly see moving shadows daily at this point. I feel I need to understand how to use my environment to stalk myself fully and consistently before I can pursue the dreaming arts further. I don’t want to lose myself. Hell, I don’t know if there will be a choice. The weird shit kind of just happens to me between my meditations and practicing. Of course no one else notices from what I can tell.

I also was trying to do some dreaming work and in the middle of it my companion was attacked by a giant radiating purple/black spear. And then something fought my companion and I tried to help but then a glowing white wood elf druid like person, like out of the lord of the rings but different facial structure, stopped me and made me observe instead of getting involved. She/it proceeded to tell me things about myself that I hadn’t considered and then I forgot how it all ended, but it was definitely not something I expected.

Also, the forest preserve near me was calling my name today. I had things that I had to do that prevented me from going there. I need to check it out tomorrow night. There was a new path that I noticed out of the corner of my eye. 🤔

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-08-16 06:14

Have you ever gazed at the clouds or near the sun? I don’t think it’s a good idea. Some interesting and weird stuff started happening to me today. It kind of just happened by accident. It was like a jack o lantern face and the clouds inverted. It started staring at me and smiling. The clouds turned pinkish red, I felt like I was vibrating and I decided to look away. The hues were off on my eyes for a little while after that too. Like I was seeing something differently though, not like the normal hue or after image being imprinted in your eye, it was different. It was making my jaw clench really badly too

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-08-16 16:07

Might be an alternate path for you to go down!

It's really the same thing. Gazing at a "horizon" to "see energy".

I was puzzled by Taisha's sky gazing technique, which I arrogantly blew it off back in 96. Some of the women around me had been taught it.

They said, "You look for worms".

I completely misunderstood that!

You look for "eye junk", that's all.

Dust = worms when you relax your eyes and gaze just right.

Visible worms! 3D fibers and dots.

But there are also eyelash lines, and even if you remove the eye dust and eyelash effects, you'll find other "natural" defects when you gaze at pure blue sky.

A series of 4 or 5 vertical lines seems common. Who knows why?

Gazing at those is like gazing at colors in darkness. The flatness of the blue sky simulates darkness, making it easier.

It's just bright darkness!

So the technique is absolutely the same.

And if you add in some clouds or sun, it's still the same thing.

You gaze until you see "weirdness", and then quiet the mind while you watch it.

It directs the assemblage point to move.

If you worry nothing is happening, look for a little surge of fright. Just an instant.

It's your results, being blocked by Mr. DoubleTake.

Just wanted to warn you. A sudden feeling of surprise or fright, is what you are after.

Keep it up, Mr. DoubleTake will get tired.

Just remember. Silence does not move the assemblage point!

It only lets it move. So you need it.

Then any sort of gazing will work. Even a mirror in water.

But which direction it goes will be altered.

So if you become a "sky gazer", we'll get to see where that might lead.

Flying I suspect. Wear a long skirt for that one.

By the way, Cholita is a skilled sky gazer.

Except she sees dark things up there. Things associated with a movement of the assemblage point to the right.

So it doesn't have to move down on the J curve. It can move anywhere, and how you gaze sets the direction.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 1 points 2020-08-16 16:15

You gaze until you see "weirdness", and then quiet the mind while you watch it.

It directs the assemblage point to move.

Silence does not move the assemblage point!

It only lets it move.

Then any sort of gazing will work. Even a mirror in water.

At it's core, it really is this simple. Much of the rest is just a bonus.

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-08-16 16:30

There are some weirdnesses in the books, which can't be explained all that simply.

Could just be tricks. Teaching Carlos how sorcerers see the world, so he can have a different view and find the middle ground.

Death as an advisor puzzles me.

If you ask me, that was just little smoke in his black dot form.

I see that all the time, especially when posting in here.

I'll be posting something, get an idea that seems to come from intent, write it, and a black dot will zip over my head.

One just did!

So the dance of the warrior to death, which follows from the idea that death is watching you?

What the heck was that all about?

Then there's the "other world".

Where you throw a gigantic tantrum over not being able to go there, the tantrum lasts for days and it's so bad that you get sick and have to stay in bed.

Then you cross some membrane into the world of the Brujos???

Where exactly is that one?

No one's offered it to me so far, and I get offered new worlds every night.

As best I can figure, maybe it's where "ascended masters" hang out?

I have seen a place like that. I like to think of it as the "blank zone".

I've seen Carlos there too.

But that whole thing about having to go in there more and more, until you can't leave, doesn't add up.

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u/Juann2323 1 points 2020-08-16 17:30

I understood that the "world of the Brujos" is when second attention appears in our world. So, the sorcerers perceive a mix between ordinary things and magic, to the point that they cant tell where one finish and other start. They just coexist.
What do you think?

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 1 points 2020-05-27 11:29

The interesting question to me is, if someone learned to shut off their internal dialogue, would it mask genetic mental illness?

I've had obsessive compulsory disorder with strong negative and compulsve internal dialogue which was forcing me to commit suicide in full swing, once i've started tensegrity practices, shutting my internal dialogue, forcing silence, doing passes, meditating, it went away to 95% with time..

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-27 16:18

OCD could be a good thing, for a sorcerer.

Just focus the OCD on shutting off that internal dialogue.

Cholita has OCD. She tries to control every tiny little thing around her, if she can get away with it.

I have to ask permission to drink my coffee if we're driving together.

Usually the answer is no.

If I persist, she picks up the coffee, rolls down the window, and tosses it out on to the freeway.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 1 points 2020-05-28 07:11

OCD could be a good thing, for a sorcerer.

Just focus the OCD on shutting off that internal dialogue.

I tie it with flier's mind somehow. May be when their installation goes wrong or brakes in some relate, you get OCD or shyzophrenia, instead of standard internal dialogue of flier's mind you can get abnormal one..I think once Cholita gets rid of her flier's installation she will be completly healthy.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-28 16:22

Yea, that flier's mind concept is pretty attractive.

I was doing something super cool last night, although for the life of me I can't remember it anymore. At the end of it, I realized the genius of the “flier’s mind” myth.

It’s a way to blame students and chastise them, without hurting their feelings.

It, “Saves face” for apprentices.

But last night, I was in my darkened room, practicing, and feeling bad that I’d ignored help from outside forces the day before.

I was given a tensegrity toy (a tool made of light which can move the assemblage point).

It was an object around 5 inches long, 4 inches wide, and 3 inches thick.

It was floating above me, and I noticed it as I was just recalling someone I knew very well, having explained the usage to me.

It’s a common thing, to be contacted by someone who helps you learn. I have no idea who they are, but they’re always completely familiar to you. So familiar, you don’t bother to look at their faces.

But I was too snobby to take the “sound gadget”.

I should have recalled don Juan's story about the river of filth. Everyone lives in it, because it's warm and cozy. And they piss and poop all over each other, night and day.

Once in a while someone starts to crawl out. And sorcerers are waiting on the shore, to wash them off.

That's what I encountered. Someone waiting on the shore, trying to help me wash off.

But I was thinking (without words), I can already move my assemblage point.

That thing is for someone else.

Big mistake. I might just as well have said, like a stubborn baby in the bathtub, "My ears are clean!!!. No need to wash those off!"

The sad part is, two people in here had just managed to use sound to move their assemblage points.

Without me knowing it, since that happened the morning before I read their posts.

It was real magic! Across platforms even. Someone in the morning, gave me something that could help others, in the afternoon.

It would have been nice if I’d taken a look at that gift.

So once I got a little closer to heightened awareness last night, meaning I could see colors very well, I called out to whoever had given it to me, to please bring it back.

I figured there would be a delay before any potential response.

And I wasn’t all the way to heightened awareness yet, so I started scooping purple light from my far right.

As I pushed it forward, Fairy popped out of the mass of flowing light. I'd almost formed a perfect ball of light, around 6 inches in diameter. I was pushing it with my palm, intending to push it into my second attention assemblage point, on the right side of the stomach.

Fairy was kind of bent out of shape, with a weird look on her face. And stuck smack dab in the middle of that ball of light, which was in fact, a little chunky.

It wasn't smooth light. It had all kinds of fibers in it.

Fairy looked stuck in there, with fibers of light poking into her.

It was almost like she was straining to feel a way out of there.

I scooped her up into my hand, still far out on the right, and with her floating in a ball on top of my hand, I got the idea to "shine" it on the rest of the room, to see if it lit up anything.

It did! I saw a red streak at one point. A very impressive red streak, since that ball of purple light, now with no trace of Fairy in it, was illuminating the inside of my luminous cocoon, revealing that thick streak of bright red.

But what was more fascinating was, it "lit up" the cobwebs.

As I waved it along, I could feel hundreds of cobwebs connecting my body parts, and going to the rest of the room.

They produced very concrete physical sensations as my hand, with the ball of light on top, passed through them.

And in all directions. Not just one strand from stomach to ankle. Some of the strands bounced around on the body, as if they had connections to multiple points.

It's not unusual to feel a cobweb while scooping or using Zuleica's movement, but using a ball of light to enhance them never occurred to me.

Now it seems obvious. Go head and add that one to your inventory, if you are so inclined. But you'll need to be able to literally see a ball of chi on your hand. Or else there's no point in trying it.

Later I realized, Fairy had heard my request. Maybe she didn't have the "toy" for using sound, so she manufactured one for me, to use feelings.

She was sort of saying, you can use feelings too. Sound isn’t the only other thing besides sight.

Fairy has a way of teaching, which you don’t recognize until the next day. At the time, it seems like a coincidence.

And (don't tell her I said so), Fairy looks a bit dimwitted most of the time.

You just don't expect her to be that smart.

Illuminating cobwebs like that did in fact move my assemblage point very fast! It was tripple the speed of using sight.

So you can move your assemblage point with sight, sound, or feelings.

Maybe smell too. But I'll pass on that one.

Please, no smells in my room.

Cholita has a bad habit of farting. Openly. And then commenting on it.

I don't want to learn if her dreaming double can fart, the way don Genaro's could.

Around 6AM I tried again to get that sound toy back.

(Yea, if you're married, you're screwed. Thus the celibacy command from Carlos. It's not about sex. It's about free time.)

I was sitting up on pillows on the bed, trying to recreate the original situation where I could recall someone explaining that toy to me.

It started to materialize above me, but it was melted.

Deformed.

Moral of the story: Don’t think about uses for things.

If given something, take a look. Don’t fall into the merchant mind and dismiss some as not useful to you anymore.

Don Juan told a story about that. A man gives a bag of food to some young people. The food contains power.

They turn it down as not being useful to them.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-24 20:52

Well, maybe not. I’ve had like the happy bouncy energy like a child, warm calm energy, and then the shaky energy. Shaky energy is probably mania. It scares people. Happy bouncy energy is the other one. And then there’s like a warm calm energy that I’ve been before. That’s the one that I thought was heightened.

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u/Super6eight 2 points 2020-05-20 19:52

I don’t want to be an energy suck either so I understand if you say no, I’ll respect that and just post an overview.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee 1 points 2020-05-20 08:04

I guess "fear" was on the list of enemies of men of knowledge.

Don Juan's list.

Another item from Don Juan's list which was not included but was mentioned as biggest enemy was stupidity, i personally consider its the major enemy of human kind together with unwillingness to change any single thing in their life. Why Don Juan could not involve his son in nagualism? or his grand son? I think because of this it was mix of stupidity and unwilligness to change.

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u/danl999 2 points 2020-05-20 15:49

It's a lot of work too. I suspect virtually everyone, if they could do what I do for a night, would become interested in learning more.

But not once they find out you have to put in as much effort, as you do to learn anything else.

Hours a day unfortunately.

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u/tryerrr 2 points 2020-05-15 20:55

Carlos spoke of sorcerers being able to control fear output on the fly, maybe there is a way to practice that?

book of Job hints god wanting fear and not “understanding” from believers. Perhaps “fear control” exercises can be mainstreamed as “prayer prerequisite” for generic non-atheists

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u/danl999 3 points 2020-05-15 21:08

That word, "fear" in biblical languages is tricky.

Usually it implies the same kind of fear you have for a woman you're crazy in love with, but can't have.

Revere is also implied in that word.

I've tried "emotions" out on the inorganics.

I guess I'm no good at it, because all I get is a blank expression.

What Julian did to "dole out" his emotions, is beyond me.

But when Fairy shows up after a long absence, and I see her and exclaim, "There you are!!!!", she seems to like that.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-10 15:56

So today, I think I’ve come to the conclusion that I have 2 IOBs following me around waiting for me to practice at night. One, is the one that I kind of wrestled and won. That one doesn’t really do much except what seems like watch and wait, and the second one, is unruly and is constantly opening doors in my place. What prompted this message is that he just did it again. But I don’t feel like I’ve tamed him. They’re just waiting for me to get further with my gazing practice it seems and it’s kind of scary to be honest. I’m assuming I have to wrestle the other one and then it’ll be okay. Approach them as a warrior and not a scared child. I haven’t gotten to the point where I can see them as floating purple heads yet. I just keep having dreams that I’m working on. I honestly feel like they’re waiting for me to progress so they can finally teach me something that I need to know. I also feel like it’s more urgent then I’m acting like. I’ve been admittedly laissez-faire about this whole thing the past week due to getting so wrapped up in life... finding the balance between this stuff and modern life is difficult. I have also found that if I skip a dose of my medication, my emotions get extremely powerful. I really don’t know what to do about that. Recap? Probably..

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-10 23:03

After reading some stuff on the forum, I’ve come to the conclusion that I have again, gotten caught in circular thinking. Tonight I will dive as deep as I can and see what happens with what I’ve been talking about and fearing. Thank you for giving me all of the advice. To me emerging on the other side without getting hurt.
I’m not planning on running from these beings.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-05-12 06:16

Well, I’ve been falling for the “book deal” mentality... that inflated sense of self.

I think the dream of success, money, and a fun life with people who adore me got me again. I’ve been focusing so hard on my new endeavor, real estate, that I haven’t been taking this stuff as seriously. It’s set me back. Yesterday I made progress, today I hope I make progress as I gaze, tomorrow I’m definitely going to make progress. I remember what I was forgetting. About doing what I want, for me. Just allowing life to drift while living it.

I’ve always wanted a teacher to keep me in line, but it would’ve been more like babysitting. It’s my responsibility.

My guests are waiting.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-07-12 19:50

It’s not omens saying I need to not do this?

Yeah I feel on edge today. What’s a surefire way to make it go up and down instead of right and left?

Edit: To practice that so I can actually enjoy this instead of being so damn scared all of the time haha

It wouldn’t stop. I couldn’t get the fog to stop. I could feel myself losing touch with my actual room. Felt like I was falling over and over again even though I was just laying there. Got super hot 🥵

It’s unpleasant to say the least.

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u/Super6eight 1 points 2020-08-01 11:54

Hey! Hope all is well. I haven’t been commenting much since there isn’t really much to report. If I try I can see purple almost immediately. The purple faces were appearing in small bursts and for longer periods of time. Lots of observing oneself and trying to stop internal dialogue. Getting much better at it. I want to solidify my tonal first because I can get so afraid otherwise. That’s all that’s happening. I haven’t stopped.