I see I need to start a thread on Castaneda's obsession with cyclic beings.
I think you hit the nail on the head there!
What don Juan said to him about it, indicates some kind of contradiction.
Perhaps he was leaning towards believing what Buddhist's believe?
Newbies: That was early on in Carlos' learning. When you hear a story, remember that he studied with don Juan for decades, and got more knowledgeable over time.
But then it gets further complicated by his Saber-Toothed Tiger visits.
Someone showed me the spot where he would go, to interact with it.
It's in LA, below the tar pits.
Probably he picked up their intent, even after all these years.
Once you can get fully silent, that's totally easy.
It's like you had a stuffed up nose all your life, but suddenly it's clear.
And you can't believe how many smells you can pick up from thin air.
Was that Tiger also a cyclic being?
Or an Animal Totem?
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Finally got the time to start the thread.
Let's get me up to speed on terminology. I'm good with Organic Beings, using typical DNA/RNA and such. I'm good with Inorganic Beings, who use other non-organic methods to sustain their Beings.
How do Cyclic Beings build off this foundation?
According to Carlos, humans (maybe all organic beings) are strung together like a bead curtain, with some kind of attachment to each other.
You can skip from your own normal "bead" (world) to one of the others on your string.
But you can't skip to a different string.
This isn't theoretical. I used to do it often when I was more fascinated with "stopping the world".
I've switched to entering dream worlds lately, on account of Cholita. She needs the kind of protection only a dreaming body can give her.
I can't do both; stop the world and learn to solidify my dreaming body.
Not enough energy.
But don't be confused by that statement: not enough energy.
It's not magical at all. It means, too much wine, too many re-runs on TV, too many arguments with Cholita, and on and on.
Energy may seem magical, but most of it is perfectly ordinary.
Thus, you "save energy" by being impeccable.
I'd rather not.
Back to skipping beads.
Somewhere near stopping the world, you get offered a choice. To go into another world.
And Carlos' allies can offer that also. Very dramatically I might add. It's better to do it yourself unless you want a heart attack.
These are real worlds you just walk into. Stable as can be.
I presume, because it feels just as Carlos described in there, that it has to be a cyclic being.
You end up there with memories of living there. People know you, you know them.
It's not like lucid dreaming. In lucid dreaming, you have to fight to retain lucidity.
And you have to fight to stay in it (in the beginning).
And it's chaotic, and everything you stare at changes.
Also, if you get good at holding lucidity and learn to change dreams, you inevitably bounce from dream to dream, while trying to wake up.
That can be quite frightening the first few times.
It doesn't happen in these worlds. Entry and exit are clean.
Possibly that's because, you aren't asleep as you are in lucid dreaming.
You're wide awake, eyes open, and you step in there.
Carlos also said, some worlds are only accessible through silence. He was trying to help us understand that lucid dreaming worlds are not the same as the ones you get to with silence. Maybe the ones you get to with silence have their own energy, but the lucid dreaming ones are almost 100% phantoms.
So finding a new world, while trying to stop the world, agrees with that statement. That some worlds are only accessible through silence.
Considering how rare it is to be able to do that (because you have to be silent), it's not surprising that a lot of mythology got added onto that knowledge.
There's the "real" knowledge, but then there's the explanations that get added on.
Those can actually alter what you perceive, because they change the intent.
Let's say some Indian sage, 2000 years ago, learns to enter those worlds.
Of course they did! We're all using the same body.
In the process of describing it, he speculates it felt like "him". It WAS him.
But he's here now. So he concludes, it must be at another time.
Must be in the past, since the future hasn't happened yet.
It's a "past life".
It's such a fun idea, it's worth some money. So booklets are printed up explaining it. People flock to that particular guru, because his tales of power are the most fun. He becomes the "re-incarnation" guru.
Along come me-too re-incarnation experts, with their own books.
One guy named Miguel says, all the souls are waiting to be born, in a giant hall. On death you end up there, waiting for the next life.
That book deal is very lucrative, so along comes Armando and says, you get to pick your parents, and watch them have sex to make you.
There are so many me-too re-incarnation books, they need specialty book stores.
Temples are built all over. They earn a lot of their money from the re-incarnation books, but the community needs other things, so pretty soon they're handling funerals, weddings, and prostitution.
Add on that the tendency of people to cling to their beliefs, almost violently, and you end up with several major religions who will take a sledgehammer to you, if you want to talk factually about whether re-incarnation is real or not.
I believe Carlos was actually leaning that way for a bit, but in private classes he took on the topic several times, in response to particular students who had a block in that area.
He made fun of the idea.
I guess you could sum it up: It's a predatory universe. No little being is any more important than any other.
It's not a human-loving universe, which helps you perfect yourself over many lifetimes.
I have no opinion on it. I try to keep out of the religion business, except to make fun of it when it's rather dogmatic.
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I can find plenty of other legitimate reasons to make fun of the religion business.
I'm with you 100% on keeping out of the religion business. The way you described things is so accurate (and SO stomach churning for me). It takes a deep truth which should be used to set people free, and instead is used to control them for the aggrandizement of the leaders of the religion, all while harming the general populous.
As for your rules, my slight amendments are:
One, while it is indeed a predatory universe, it's not SOLELY a predatory universe. There is a beneficial force which sits counter the predatory force.
Two, while the universe favors humans no more or less than any other part, the overall process results in people facing the same problems and challenges life after life until they solve them and move on to new challenges (or acquire enough skillz to choose otherwise). That will result in continuing sustained improvement over many lifetimes (except for the truly stubborn).
Here's how the bead curtain works from my experience.
Dealing from a single POV, each bead is a choice made. There are many beads available for the next choice I have to make, but each choice depends on certain prerequisites like adequate energy. With enough energy and proper prerequisites, some truly astonishing choices can be realized.
Once a choice is realized, it becomes the unique bead on the string of beads trailing behind. In essence, the past is simply the record of all the choices we've made.
If we zoom our perspective out from the individual choice POV, we can see that the string weaves in and out of "normal" physicality. This happens during the points when we are "alive" and in bodies. At the right distance, these groupings will apear to be beads themselves, designating individual lives in individual bodies, with the time in between spent incorporeal.
The role of Being is to pick which bead to string next from amongst all the possibilities.
This is essentially the same thing that Neville Goddard talked about as "Manifesting" (I would be SHOCKED beyond belief if the Goddardians have not been multiplying like Tribbles from a Star Trek episode around you the last several years). I have great respect for Goddard, but not so much some of his followers (some are just fine).
And you are spot on about the Allies. They have a world picked out and all ready to go for you, you just have to let them help you there. Of course, that "help" often comes with an unmentioned price to be paid later (in addition to a possibly SEVERE entry trauma, as you note).
I don't have a dreaming partner like Cholita, so most of my dreaming is solo work. One of the blessings/banes of my path. I also hear you on having to husband energy for where it's needed most.
Right! I forgot about intent.
As for the rest, I'm a more practical type of guy.
How to do it, interests me more than what it actually is.
On computers I'm the same way. I can design the entire guts of any super computer, down to the chip level.
But I'm incompetent in running any of the aps.
They don't interest me.
So Carlos kind of left them to anyone who's willing to engage in but the only one who took them was you... So where are they hanging all the time between your interactions? or they are constantly with you? and if they would show you their world entrance how dramatical it would be?
Cholita took them before I learned to see them in daylight.
But I can see my fairy entity in daylight. She flies around Cholita. She's just a puff of white light. Golf ball sized, but more diffuse on the edges.
Sometimes, I can see her under the door in Cholita's bedroom.
I look to see if Cholita has the lights on, to know if she's at home or hiding somewhere.
I'll see that little puff as I walk away, but not really. I get a glimpse of it, but I’m not facing the right direction to have seen that.
Even so, I remember just having seen it.
Could be a Mr. DoubleTake delay effect.
I look back, and the entire bottom of the door will be covered in yellow fibers. Oriented down to up. It’s almost as if the entity notices me only as I start to walk away, and then puts on a little show for me.
Where Carlos' allies go, I don't know. But maybe there's a few others from class who get visits.
I haven't heard of it so far.
How dramatic?
The wall turns into ultraviolet flames so intense, it ought to hurt the eyes. But since there's no light, it doesn't.
Sometimes, it’s like being in a wind tunnel running at full speed, except there’s no wind. Only the impression of it, along with the sound it would have, but it’s soundless sound.
They materialize in the middle as some sort of weird frantic man. Sometimes there’s a second man hiding behind the first (Carlos Ally #2 I presume).
Now before you say, that's not scary, just imagine that happened in your bedroom, and you had no idea what was coming next.
Yes, a rabid wolf is scarier than a weird college professor looking man.
But it's not like a vision you summon on your own, using colors and hypnogogic images.
Those float slowly around, and they aren't all that bright. And it's darned hard to even keep them around.
It’s like a strong led flashlight pointed 20 feet away, versus right into your eyes from 2 inches away.
That’s the difference in brightness for my weaker entity, and Carlos’ daytime entity.
And Carlos' entities don't go away, until they feel like it.
The entity burns into my room, full human size, and frantic. So far, always frantic in waking.
Or it can appear in a tunnel of light, which opens up right in front of you.
On one occasion there were two weird men, and they stepped out of the tunnel and started chasing me, with me realizing they intended to capture me and pull be somewhere.
In dreaming, it’s a super creepy electricity feeling. They’re often entirely black. Dead black.
But they can follow you out of the dream, at which point they take on a more human look.
The one that shows up while I'm awake sometimes glances a certain direction, and a door or window materializes there.
You can enter at that point.
It’s not hard to tell if you can enter.
It looks fully “real”, and there’s nothing in the way to stop you from going in.
As far as I know, you can stay there as long as you like.
There is of course no value to learning this from me, other than to know, you can do that too.
But your experience will be different.
La Gorda saw Carlos’ allies as scary Mexican Indians, possibly bent on raping her.
What's the deal with women? Cholita's constantly worried about being raped.
Is that a universal female worry?
Carlos saw them as weird people, same as me, but on another occasion or two he saw rabid animals. Can't remember which kind. A dog and a cat type beast as I recall.
If Cholita gets better, I’ll send her around to expose more people to them.
She’ll charge money though.
There’s no rules Cholita will follow.
And Carlos told her to her face, never do anything for free. Maybe he foresaw this?
If you "gifted" someone with Carlos' allies, and they freaked out, you'd feel kind of bad.
If they had to pay hard cash, maybe not. It's their choice.
I'm going to hold her back until she can levitate something, to keep anyone from complaining. I'll talk her into making it a money back guarantee.
You guys will love seeing something slide on a table, with no one touching it!
So people get to see something for sure, even if they can't see the Allies.
No one in private class could actually perceive Carlos' allies, when he introduced us.
I didn't notice them until a month or two later.
Maybe they went from person to person the first month, finding no one who could see them.
Tip: there's a delay on some things.
You do something, expect it to react like our normal world, but it doesn't.
There's odd delays.
With those allies, the delay can be weeks.
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Yep, it looked like that, except they were all fine strands. There weren't any clumped together.
Carlos probably didn't ponder too much on it, or didn't like to call it that way, but there is reincarnation actually. It is the same though as there isn't, because the memory gets erased. So just like every other deepest truth, it is a seeming paradox. Reincarnation however doesn't mean you're keeping the same personality over and over or whatever people assume about it, but the point is that we do come here with certain (and different) experience. I remember Juan once telling him that he's at least 3000 years old, that seemed like an older and longer experience than his life at that time.
Likely yes. Cyclic with Carlos. And by tapping into his intent, which is built from "the intent of the Sorcerer's of ancient Mexico," with us as well.
Hence the relevant Tensegrity passes(s), listed in the Wiki
Sorcery is in fact, "The Mastery of Intent".
Rather than being a hard to understand concept, it's simplicity itself.
You're held to this world only by your thoughts, and the feelings behind them.
If you stop those, you get another choice.
The other choice is like a smell in the air. It's intent.
Someone else's obsessions perhaps, because they had thoughts and feelings about that other world.
If you pick up on their intent, you can visit their world. You simply focus your thoughts and feelings on that instead of this world.
The assemblage point moves, and you're there.
The same seems to be usable to go back in time, and select someone else's past.
If that's achievable on demand, we'll all get to go back to private classes with Carlos.
I've done that too, so it's not theory.
Do you remember when in one of the later books, Don Juan's party is eating at a table together while Vicente tells them stories? He talks about all the different types of gazing, and how you can travel through the universe. He talks about a species that he came across which is the closest one to humans, and who are terrified of movement.
This passage to me is dreamy (as are all of the later books pretty much), in the sense that sometimes I forget if it was true or not...
Didn't Don Juan or someone else from his party talk about visiting the past? More than once??
Isn't there a mention about a Dome that you go in the Third Attention where all the men of knowledge who "burned with the fire from within" meet up? Was that in Saturn?? Seriously, I remember reading something about that being close to Saturn...
Saturn? Don't remember that, but I'm sure there's some equally as interesting stuff in some of the other dimensions of Saturn...not to mention all the other planets in the solar system.
I don't remember Vicente's stories. Carlos banned me from reading his books again.
But if you can find it, post it!
Yes, they did talk about visiting the past. Maybe 10 or more times.
It's just an intent trail! You find it, and your assemblage point moves where necessary.
I don't know if you can interfere. I haven't done it enough to experiment.
It's sort of tricky. You go all day long, glossing through life. You don't stop on the way to McDonald's, to ask yourself, are you, you today?
Same in those re-runs. It doesn't occur to you, to experiment.
Carlos had a different way of doing it, if he wanted to ponder.
He could immerse himself in the past, living it again, or he could watch.
And La Gorda could watch the same memory with him!
I wish poor Cholita was more coherent. The things we could do!
(She's still out there, homeless, with no money, no hand sanitizer, and no mask.)
Yes, there's that giant dome.
It's not so much in the third attention, as that you need to summon the third attention (light up all the emanations inside you at the same time), in order to be allowed entry to it.
Otherwise, "The Eagle" consumes your awareness.
It's on earth. My assumption is that it's actually part of the body of the earth itself.
Saturn? Oddly, I never heard Carlos speak about other planets, as far as I can recall.
One time someone asked what we can do, after we get into that giant dome, and get to live for 5 billion years (the approximate time the earth can manage to stay alive, if not smashed by a meteor or something).
Carlos nearly smacked his forehead at the question. But he resisted.
And he answered. He said, "Well, then we'll re-negotiate again."
Haha, wow! These stories from Carlos' classes are hilarious.
About Cholita, holy crap, I hope she doesn't catch the pestilence!
Not only that. Someone in our city is kidnapping women. From parks.
And Cholita is out there, homeless.
I fear for the kidnapper if he tries something against Cholita.
It's a good point.
I have 2 doors in my home, which end up slammed shut on occasion.
Yesterday for example.
But I couldn't find any evidence Cholita had come home.
I only found a witchcraft spell had been placed on a shelf for plants, in the front yard.
Last week she was talking to me in her bedroom, telling me to go away. I was on the other end of a locked door, trying to convince her not to make it rain in my bedroom anymore. But she was only getting angrier and angrier.
I finally gave up, walked 2 steps in the hallway where there's a glass french door, and saw Cholita sitting calmly at the dinner table in the kitchen area, reading something.
I had to actually go over to her, to make sure she didn't move, then sneak around to her unlocked bedroom door, to find out which copy of Cholita I was looking at.
Wowowow!!
I put a COVID19 face mask on the bathroom counter last night.
I just checked. It's gone.
So she's homeless in the immediate area, not in LA.
Or, a former cleargreener took her in and gave her a ride to get some of her many many clothes.
You share your experience with us on dreaming awake. If you do just lucid dreaming, keeping in mind Cholita has to sleep too during the night, could you find her energy body in lucid dreaming during the night time and ask her to go home?
I don't have the ability to find her. She just shows up.
And when she isn't home, she doesn't.
But she did sneak back in last night again. She's propped the bathroom window open so she can climb in. And her "blue room" window too.
Which is weird, because she has 3 sets of keys.
As for finding people in dreaming, I think there's an example in Carlos' books where Josefina and Eligio are waiting for La Gorda to show up.
They don't seem to have known, at that point, how to go find her.
Sorcery is so vast, I doubt one person can learn even half of it all.
But with hundreds practicing, maybe we can map it out better.
Also, keep in mind, the other person does NOT have to be asleep, in order to find their dreaming body.
I've done that a few times, and Carlos even gave a few lectures where he mentioned that.
But still, the person shows up around you. How to seek them out yourself is beyond me.
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I should add this, because it's not in enough other places.
Carlos spoke about people you run into, who's energy body (dreaming double) is "right there!"
He pointed to his right side, as if someone were standing just beside him on his right, and maybe a foot back.
But he didn't imply that was something you needed to do anything about. It's just odd.
You don't immediately try to turn them into a student, and I believe while he was explaining this, he had a particular person in mind he'd recently noticed or talked about.
He also said that normally, someone's dreaming copy is lost out there in infinity, and there's no way to find it.
It's irrational in people who don't have much energy left. I take it, it just sort of wanders from thing to thing, world to world, not really knowing what it's doing.
That's not something you all have to wonder about. Learn to scoop colors in darkness, and you'll discover how easy it is to wander from world to world. You won't be able to do it freely, but when you can, you'll realize it's just a matter of being silent and changing what you are feeling.
Feelings at that level become like water, or a heavy feeling. Or pressure.
You can feel that the pressure is directed here. To this world. So you relax whatever part of it you feel is tied here, and a new world begins to appear.
And then, your book deal mind, or Mr. DoubleTake, will make it go away.
You need absolute silence for it to continue, so that both of those issues are weakened.
At night, we sort of catch up with our dreaming double, in our dreams. Or maybe because our Tonal is asleep, it lends more energy to that dreaming copy. And the two are a little less separate.
That makes me wonder why we can't easily recall what it's doing when we're awake, but can usually remember a little of our dreams.
But I have at times, remembered what my dreaming double was doing during the day. It happens when there's a notable event, like it runs into someone else. You end up remembering a conversation which couldn't possibly have taken place. If you're lucky, you can talk to the person about it. Find out if the information you got is true, and also ask them when they told you that.
If the answer is never, you have more weird stuff in your list of things to help convince you it's worth it to spend hours a day practicing.
Some of this dreaming double stuff might also explain why people end up believing they have help from Carlos, or the Witches, or some other sorcerer.
But it's barely a memory, like a distant dream.
Miles believes he meet with Carlos. I suspect Reni would say the same.
I run into him often enough to expect it again, along with an older man who has a nose that's more like a pure South American Indian.
Unlike Miles, I don't believe it's actually Carlos.
Inorganic beings is more likely, using expected appearances to get attention.
but aren't they unable to lie in the dreams these inorganic beings when being asked about who they are? As far as i got it from books they must tell the truth?
I've never heard one talk at all!
Waking or dreaming.
In dreaming, I've only "remembered" talking to them, but when I try to remember what they sounded like, I can't.
You know somewhere it says they must tell the truth?
I'd be surprised to see that.
How could I free him?” (blue scout)
“Instead of telling you how,“ I will offer you a much more accurate way to find out, ”don Juan said, smiling . - Ask the dreaming emissary. inorganic beings don't lie.You know
The art of dreaming,
Chapter 7 Blue scout
Wow, that book is filled with inorganic being references.
So the dreaming emmisary is an inorganic being?
I didn't know.
But it would explain why I don't have that.
Inorganic beings never talk to me. Their mouths move, but nothing comes out. I've seen it over and over again. Both awake, and asleep.
Still, the idea that they "can't lie" assumes they're more like us, than they are.
Apparently don Juan and his party didn't have much experience with the inorganic beings.
Maybe because they didn't need them, having sorcerers teach the directly.
We do, having no one to help.
Might intent require you to make a gesture that you want to hear energy? Like Milarepa/Cleargreen's Bat Pass with hand cupped behind the ear(s)?
Or just outright shout it outloud verbally.
Just a thought.
That is if you even want to hear the voice of the dreaming emmisary.
Hearing the dreaming emissary sounds awful to me. I know someone who hears it constantly. It doesn’t sound fun.
But I do hear the voice of seeing, which has helped me solve difficult problems several times. One time it helped me get around a Nintendo Patent, and my company took in $8M the next year using the design given to me by the voice of seeing.
And I guess the inorganics do in fact speak to me. There’s just no sound.
For example, a few weeks ago my little fairy entity came back, and I was so happy to see her I talked to her outloud.
I told her something like, I was sorry she was so flat now, on account of Cholita.
Somehow she told me, Cholita had flattened me, not her.
And I’ve had fairly long conversations with scouts. It’s just that, when I try to remember what they sounded like, I can’t.
They really don’t have a mouth, so it’s unreasonable to expect them to behave like humans in that regards.
It’s likely telepathic in some odd way.
Which makes me think of a contradiction in Carlos’ books.
Contradiction from my point of view.
He seems to have run into some allies on the side of a road in one of the books. And he spoke to them thinking they were real people. They spoke back.
But in Carlos’ later books, they just appear when don Juan mentions them, such as when he heard them wandering around in the bushes. And I don’t know of any more accounts where they seem so real.
Usually it’s rabid coyotes, or baskets with teeth. Or big Indian men ready to molest women.
It’s all sort of a warning, not to take the books too literally.
Yes, that all likely happened (I have Blue Scout doubts however).
But, something else could have also.
The main thing is to get things to happen, before worrying about what they mean.
I'm pretty sure Carlos got tired of book questions, such as, "But in Eagle's Gift you said..."
That's why he told us to stop reading them.
And so did Carol Tiggs, as can be seen in the workshop notes from her last known appearance.
She said she wouldn't take any questions on the books.
Then she said the most mysterious thing I've heard from any of them.
And a rather feminine point of view, sure to disappoint the men.
Men like to figure out how to make things, such as clubs, and they don't like the clubs to be unreliable.
It should do the same amount of destruction each time you hit something!
Carol kind of put a dark cloud over that male tendency when she said, "Just let it happen to you as it does with you."
Or something equivalent.
I actually don't like the current cleargreen and workshop attendees hearing that, because it gives them permission to make up progress in their heads, preventing them from doing any actual work.
That's been going on for more than 25 years, and no one got anywhere with that idea.
Look at Corey getting a tingle up his leg, over that astrology thing. Didn't help any of them in the long run.
But for people who do actual work, it's reassuring to hear what Carol said, since the results of your work won't always agree with the small details Carlos wrote.
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I understood at the time.
Now I don't.
She also taught me to switch my eyes to seeing energy only.
After a few days, I couldn't do it.
We're always being gifted by intent. Or perhaps, pockets of untapped energy, available when our assemblage point moves to a new place.
A super cool thing will happen, and you'll be all happy the next day.
Until the night, when you try it again and can't do it.
So you keep it up, trying to do that again, and discover the next thing.
You go from new thing to new thing, doing them only once or twice, and along the way you learn the how of doing.
Not the what.
The how is what you can learn. But you can't control what comes of it.
Mystified? I don't want to be Chinese like and puzzle you with poetic terms.
It's very simple: Hard work is the "how". And the work is either silence, for men, or gazing for women.
Everyone has to recap. That's a given. But if you cheat and skip that step, I won't tell.
I don't know how much control don Juan's group had, but certainly they could do tricks on demand, like swim on the earth, or leap over a house.
Imagine if Ken Eagle feather could leap over a house! He'd cash in ten times as much.
He'd be shouting from the top of the roof, as he passed over it in the air, "Carlos, try that one!!!! I told you I learned directly from don Juan, you bastard!"
So maybe, at least at first, we're better off not being able to repeat on demand.
It protects us (and everyone else) from ourselves.
And it's going to be a long way off for all of us, unless we build more mass. Too long to make it.
But, that's not so bad.
We're fly fishers. We just cast out our lure, and see what intent sends back.
To think you can repeat that the next day is a beginners mistake.
Plus, remember that minnows are just as good as Tuna fish, for a beginning fly fisher.
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Yea, we still don't know that.
But, it seems pretty plain from notes posted here lately, that the inorganic beings can in fact manipulate physical matter, and bring it to their world.
And I've seen them push on objects at least 12 times now.
They can move physical matter, but they have no physical body.
So Ken Eaglefeather still has hope!
I have a bit of a mystery in my house right now.
I know Cholita can push on solid things with her dreaming body. I've seen it multiple times.
But it's very light. Not strong.
It could even be an inorganic being helping her out. A single one isn't that strong.
So what's going on in my home?
Cholita is gone.
But the bathroom keeps getting locked from the inside.
Cholita's put plastic inserts in the window screen, I guess so she can climb in, in case I change the locks.
(Paranoid schizophrenia)
So, is she climbing in the window, but leaving no footprints on the dirt outside the window?
Or is her dreaming body doing it?
Everyone remember this: If you play with inorganic beings a lot, you end up with a poltergeist.
But those are fun!
I've been puzzling over Cholita's stream of water from her mouth...way too much water (meaning more than she could ever fit in it).
Since I'm assuming she isn't a master regurgitator that swallowed a gallon of water previously.
Maybe they can also bring matter from their world into ours? Or coalesce diffuse matter (water vapor in room) into a coherent stream?
I must admit, I did a bad thing.
Cholita had her notebook on the table today, and since she hasn't been around, I made pictures of all of the pages.
I'm not sure it's right to read it however. But it might tell me what she knows and doesn't.
It has the word, "inorganic" all over the place.
Plus one place where it says, "I seduced Daniel into helping me."
I was pleased to hear that. Seduce away!
Yes, the water was strange. And also making it rain in my bedroom.
And water traveling sideways in the shower. I've seen that!
There's something about the inorganics and water, but it's not clear from what Carlos said about them.
Yes they are fun until they start to throw hard objects at your head, burn things and scare da shit outta of you with damn scary voices. I've seen resl footages of people who almost left their appartments and nor police neither priests could help them to stop this scary shit.actually in Carlos books Don Juan is telling this sort of stories to Carlos near the fire. He told smth like: when some one seeing shadows resembling butterflies in the darkness, those are peaceful things but near them are always evil nosiy spirits, those if they stisk to a person or a premise will do harm and you can not get rid of them afterwards. La Gorda also keeps remembering with Pablito when after visiting "bad luck" places in ancient ruines of mexican old cities which were prohibited for them to visit by Don Juan, they experienced weird stuff like multiple self ignition of house beams or being biten by same dogs several times))
Bring it on!
Better to have a pile of Russian BBQ fish, than no food at all.
Russian BBQ fish steaks is typically served with what an american would consider a very poor presentation.
In carlos Books, dreaming emissary is an inorganic being, that starts to be present in some one dream once he crosses some dreaming gates. Its voice can tell anything you want to know about from the point of view of inorganic being. During one of the workshops Carlos told that recently the emissary voice ceased to be present and Carlos kind of misses him not being able to tell thank you.
That's good to know.
Maybe being trained directly by Carlos is why I never heard a voice in that manner. Because I was soaking up Carlos' current intent. Not the intent of the books.
That is in fact what he insisted we do, when he told us to stop reading his books. He'd evolved, he wanted us to benefit from that.
We're all following intent. That's all we're actually doing.
I had to remind myself of that last night.
Cholita's still missing. So I didn't have to hide at work, on my only day off.
I got to practice silence in darkness longer.
The first time I had no idea what hour it was. I had covered all the lights and clocks.
After 2 hours, and only seeing puffs and streaks of purple light, but nothing interesting, I looked at the time.
It was only 9:30PM.
I figured, too much wine. Go back to bed for a while.
I tried again later around 3AM, going for 3 hours.
At the end of it, I could look at any point in the room, to see if something was there, and I would pick up a fully animated dreaming scene. Right there.
I could slowly scan the room with my eyes, and literally see light coming from them, and burning a line across reality. Things spilled out of the resulting crack.
It suddenly became easy to get things to happen, instead of hard.
What had happened was, I had been silent long enough for my assemblage point to move all the way into heightened awareness, where the images behind the words of the internal dialogue become visible, and Mr. DoubleTake is also obvious.
I shut those off, and intent took over.
I was picking up very faint radio signals, in a manner of speaking.
I'm curious to know if you worry about Cholita like how people worry about their family members and since you have been living together and taking care of her for some time now, would it be hard to living alone again in the future?
I struggle with worrying about the health of family members and their mortality. Is that being selfish?
Not really.
Cholita's a task Carlos gave me.
She's really good at it, because there's absolutely no way to help her or control her.
Not even a tiny bit.
You just have to "let go" of that type of concern.
When I got up this morning, too early for the sun to have risen, Cholita was already gone.
No way to know where to.
There was some mention of Camelopardalis and Coma Berenices in context of time delay to verify decisions being made, can you expand on the way it is calculated?
I got into that when I first read it in a workshop note (if I remember right). Downloaded some special software that's probably defuct by now, and plotted the night sky on the exact date and time of my birth, to calculate the time for each of those constellations to transit to zenith.
Never saw an impact. But ancient mesoamerican peoples were obsessed with astrology, so there's likely something to it.
I suspect he was trying to shift us out of our skulls with that maneuver, to expand the limits of our perceptual sphere...and of our sense of self.
I've always had more use/benefit from the Wave of Energy
I have a vague memory of Carlos talking about a constellation or two, but I surely don't remember that part.
Do you recall the source for this?
Carlos was quite interested in decision making, which is indicated by the V spot passes he selected for his only book on Tensegrity.
Speculation: All of the 8 points on the diagram are enhanced by the passes in that book. Meaning, Carlos selected them for a reason.
When you hear that the V spot passes are about decision making, you might think it's about whether you want chocolate, or vanilla. That kind of decision.
But I suspect that those V spot passes teach you about "will", another underused point in that 8 point diagram.
In my case, they reliably summon a weird flat window in front of me, in which a being of some kind often shows up.
That doesn't seem related to "will".
And speaking of will, I have some vague memory of the larger tentacles we have on our luminous body being used to exert will on things.
Genaro used them that way as I recall.
http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/corona_borealis.htm
Corona Borealis being the other constellation, all of these are in the Ursa Major family.
Yea, I forgot all about that.
I think someone should rip that content and put it here in a new post.
I guess I'll have to quit being skeptical when Cholita brings up astrology.
It sort of makes sense the old sorcerers would obsess over the night sky.
They didn't have TV back then.
I have to wonder, if they did have TV, would they have figured out which programs should be running when you started a new task? A new Dr. Who episode for example?
I can certainly say, watching "The Last Jedi" triggered a bunch of cool things for me.
But I would like to point out (again and again), tiny effects like this shouldn't be a concern to people who can't yet do much of anything.
It's another placebo distraction. Those darned things are endless!
You can see it in those notes! The horrible placebo effect.
Corey sounded like, after he learned about this, he was ready to get out his notebook and plan all of his actions around the stars.
And then you can read in there how the whole thing made several people feel better, like they were making some kind of progress. They were "sharing" with each other, about how wonderful it was to know that.
But, they're all gone now. There's a big lesson in those notes.
For don Juan, who knows what this information might do.
At that point, you might be sensitive enough to use small effects to do things that are normally very difficult.
Some sorcery effects are simply, "Offered" to you. You didn't do it. You just notice it's available, such turning your head to the left, to skip into a cyclic being.
But this puzzles me (from that link):
I can surround myself with other worlds anytime I like. I just need 3 hours of time, and darkness.
Emilito and Eligio seem to have found it easy too.
If I waited for some constellation, seems like I'd do it less, not more.
But mostly I just get to view them. It's only occasionally I'm offered a way to enter them.
And there's no one way. I suspect I've entered other worlds by at least 4 methods.
And no, please don't ask me to list them! Do it yourself, then you can list them for me.
Maybe I'll have to start keeping track of when I get entry, to see if it corresponds to anything in those notes.
V is either Virginia or Victoria. Both held out on becoming closer to the inner group. There were all kinds of sexual innuendos going on in relation to that.
But as Carlos told Cholita, "I'll be intimate with you one way or the other!"
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There are natural phenomena affecting f.e. transmission of radiowaves. Solar flares and increased activity affects HF radio, ionizing the upper layers of atmosphere (ionosphere) and requiring less energy to transmit same signal. Similarly, some geolocations have preferred configurations (f.e. mountain reflecting specific frequencies, water reservoirs with right shapes, deposits of naturally-emitting ores etc) because of natural phenomena that may have formed them originally (look for “electric universe” videos on youtube to explore this theory).
But we all have to be careful not to fall into the trap of worrying about subtle things only a master of intent could actually make use of.
For instance, let's say Castaneda discussed some kind of boost, based on the date.
It won't do anyone any good to focus on that. Worse, it becomes part of an inventory you can share and discuss with others.
Thinking about it, sharing it, discussing it, makes it feel like you are making progress, learning sorcery.
It's a soothing placebo to make you forget that you actually wanted to be able to do it, not just pretend.
Power spots are the worst. People plan weeks ahead of time to travel to a power spot.
If they'd just put in those weeks learning to get silent, they could literally travel to another world instead.
I blew off several last night, as not worth the time. I was trying to learn to summon "Minx", the name I gave Cholita's new inorganic. She was having a blast with it, and I got a little curious if I could lure it away.
When the secret chasers (power spot enthusiasts) get to the power spot, they meet "like minded" folks, and further screw themselves up by going home, and chatting with them on the internet.
I suspect the correct response to a "tip" on how to use an energy boost ought to be:
Screw that nonsense!!!!
Until you can actually summon intent at will, and then fine. Go for it.
This implies a requirement of empathy that might be difficult for narcissistic persons which consider the “other people” to be sort of “robotic extras”, in best case with imperfect versions of same worldview as the narcissist. This might explain why a lot of “nagual-posers” do not succeed as they cannot even imagine someone having a different worldview.
They are largely unable to "get over themselves," and stop the inner monologue. Again proving why it is THE key element to ACTUAL success, and magic.
Do you supposed all nagual-posers are narcassistic?
I mean, let's be honest. We'd all like to see mentions of the Nagual in literature, so we could fit Carlos into some kind of existing system.
But so far, we only have that one from a priest who lived in Mexico hundreds of years ago.
And nothing else.
Yet, along comes Armando, Miguel, Victor, and Marilyn.
I believe all claimed to be part of a similar "lineage". A lineage no one had heard about before Carlos came along.
But once Carlos wrote about it and became wealthy and famous, suddenly it's everywhere!
I'm not sure what Ken's claim is. Whether he also claims a connection to a "lineage".
I'd think you have to be a narcissist to lie about a connection to something which only exists in Carlos' books, in order to control other people.
That's as bad as selling fake cures for COVID19.
Ken actually claims to having lessons from don Juan himself. And like he told him Carlos was a failure. I've read two of his books, they are complete scam. No new information and lots of pretending. They don't have the intent, you instantly feel that.
As for Armando, things are unclear. His first book does seem to have some information which confirms things which weren't public. Like a blue dot on the Carlos' toe.
On the other hand, he claims Carlos made him a messenger to deliver the message about The Rule, that Carlos' goal was to plant seeds of new lineages and the Rule still applies. It should make sense, because for example gravity doesn't stop to be a law of nature just because some people ceased to exist.
He also doesnt claim to be a Nagual, he claims Carlos introduced him to a lineage of old seers with whom he claims to be having apprenticeship.
But... His later two books are not impressive at all. A lot of sttange stuff about war between old seers and flyers, a lot of mythology. I think only the first book is worth reading.
I would also suggest you to read the book I have talked some time ago about the faction M "Witnesses of the Nagual", where interviews with Jacobo and others are in place. Armando has wrote some preface to it.
So about him I have mixed opinion and feelings. I think that he could be partly genuine, and some scam. While Miguel and Ken are a total fake and not worth spending any time on.
P. S. And once again, Dan. I am not a guy who has any hostility or bad intentions towards you. I admire your work and presence here and would like to calmly reconcile the situation which took place some time ago. We are in the same boat really with same goals, I regret if some of my words/actions made you think differently.
Yes, quite certain that you need to be quite narcissistic to confidently pose as someone you are not. Thus “nagual posers”. And as one of primary attributes of narcissism being inability to consider other people as having independent persistent worldviews, this may be the critical reason why nagual-posers fail to uncover worlds that are outside their existing imagination.