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u/segovius
3 points2020-05-27 09:20
Bet that went down well on that sub! I agree with you re the above but whenever I've said anything like that there you get bashed from both sides: fundies and atheists!
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u/Happynewusername2020
1 points2020-05-27 10:53
Oh I get them agitated, especially the more fundamentalist.
I don’t really care though, I am quite ruthless without being mean.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-05-28 15:56
Better to know more than they do, because what they know is all wrong.
Then you don't have to get worked up about it, which stirs the internal dialogue and prevents magic.
I almost wonder if that isn't why India is the birthplace of super cool meditation.
Because they don't get worked up, and so they can follow whatever is working.
I remember one man telling me he was in India, and Jesus came up.
A man with a heavy Indian accent said to him, "Oh, we love your Lord Jesus. Of course he was the son of God!"
Then he went back to chanting in sanskrit.
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u/danl999
5 points2020-05-27 15:27
I guess you could say that Christ was trying to teach us to control intent.
And he spent a lot of time in prayer and meditation.
Plus he came from a long line of obvious sorcerers (the prophets).
On the other hand, there's still something really creepy going on in the bible.
So far I've found no other religion which dared to make prophecies of the future.
Someone mentioned a Buddhist prophecy, but it turned out to be a book deal (written after the fact to get money for possessing it).
The bible contains around 1500 prophecies. If you're anti, or pro, you can get lost in the weeds, arguing about individual ones.
But none, absolutely none, has ever been shown to have been wrong.
And with any reasonable level of honesty, you have to admit many of them are eerily correct.
The problem is, people get bent out of shape and don't approach it as anything else.
Consider it an arcane science, the way I like to think of sorcery.
Toss out the religion part. Let the prince of darkness rest for a while.
If you're worried, just do the important parts. They don't take up any time at all.
And it's certainly not incompatible with magic, as your mention of the other belief systems attached to it. I guess you missed the Gnostics in that short list.
My guess is that sorcerers from around 5000 years ago got fed up with the absolute chaos of civilization back then and did something about it, by influencing the timeline.
But whatever any of you think about it, just keep in mind.
It got spoiled by book deals. Like everything else.
The pure thing is in the texts, not the churches or their followers.
Those are mostly very mixed up.
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u/Happynewusername2020
1 points2020-05-27 17:02
Thanks for the input Dan!
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u/tryerrr
1 points2020-05-28 02:44
What with the manifestations changing between terrifying figure for fearful sinners to lovely virgins (Mary) for loving believers, isn’t that the inorganics manifestation pattern depending on emotion reflected?
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u/danl999
2 points2020-05-28 15:44
I"d love to speculate on things like that. Especially because of how the qabala people define demons. Sure seems like an IOB to me.
However, your idea, even though attractive, ignores the texts themselves, and the magic they contain.
For example, you can trace Mary's lineage all the way back to Eve. There are even some danger points in there, where intervention is needed to preserve it.
That had to be because of what seems to be the first prophesy in the bible: all living will come from Eve.
That's usually taken the wrong way by people who believe Adam and Eve were the first man and woman. It's an odd belief, since hunters and fishermen were made on the 6th day, around the time when wild beasts were made, and Adam was made on the 8th, after god rested. He was made along with domesticated animals.
He was a man "to till the field", meaning, a farmer type.
That gave him a huge advantage over the fishers and hunters, including the metallurgy knowledge needed to farm. (From an apocrypha which seems to make a lot of sense).
And, Cain found a wife in the land of Nod, so it's pretty obvious Adam and Eve were merely the parents of Jews in general and not the first man and woman.
The prophesy simply means, salvation (eternal life) will come from Eve in the form of the messiah.
So if you trace the entire story line, there are prophecies all along the way, which always happen.
Many interconnected to that seedline.
And the main one requires Eve to be the mother of Messiah.
It's why Satan seduced her and had sex with her.
To pollute the seedline.
But Adam did too. Eve had a little gangbang going.
And some say, Adam partook of the tree also (tree = trunk = spine = nice way of saying something pretty shocking).
She gave birth to one child for Satan, and one for Adam, and Satan's child killed Adams.
A few years ago, a Dutch woman gave birth to a black child and a white child, at the same time.
She had 2 boyfriends.
When Eve was first cloned (the X "curve" was taken from Adam), the other half of that DNA strand, the Y (women don't have it), was saved until later, then put into Eve, resulting in a new clone of Adam with 100% of the originally designed male properties of Adam.
God is an engineer it seems.
And we can't have a grouchy messiah, or one with paranoid Schizophrenia.
He wanted the original DNA design.
Her child is called, "The second man Adam" in the texts.
There's real magic in there!
Knowledge of the future embedded.
Still, don't anyone worry! The price of darkness can't have your soul if you don't allow it.
You can be a christian and still learn the mastery of intent. In fact, all the better!
There are mystical Christians up the yin/yang.
Frankly, it would be very good for that community to bring a little magic back. They run around doing fake healings and exorcisms all day long.
God only knows they need some real magic.
Or you can be a Buddhist. The master of intent is what they're after anyway, without realizing it.
Or anything else. A Taoist surely.
If you die and find yourself at the pearly gates, and there's no eagle, and Saint Peter asks what you have to say for yourself, just say, "My bad."
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u/Tolteka17
2 points2020-05-28 16:02
"... not a man on a throne but a lion awaiting its prey."
I agree. The Gnostics believe God is actually a trickster, they call him Samael.
Perhaps he did create the world 6,000 years ago. Not the energetic world, but the material world. Don Juan himself used the Garden of Eve metaphor to talk about the descent of the once magical man into the sorry crap we are today.
Maybe the abrahamic God created the material world with the flyers to keep us trapped here. Who knows? For now it's all thought masturbation though, so whatever.
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u/Happynewusername2020
2 points2020-05-28 18:36
I agree, I look at the fall of man in the biblical stories as when our attention became fixated upon its present location.
It’s certainly easy to attach the energetic effects and outright deception of the Castaneda ‘flyers’ with mythical demons and devils.
Jesus walked on water with his energy body and came back from the dead according to biblical stories,sounds a whole lot like sorcery to me!
Also about sorcery being mentioned in the bible and quickly demonized as evil in order to maintain the power of the church is ironic.
Then let’s talk about Moses, who was raised as an Egyptian priest later to talk to god and bring about the exodus using all sorts of nifty tricks and supernatural abilities.
Oh weren’t those pyramids constructed by those same priests of ancient Egypt somehow Connected to the same pyramid builders in Mexico & Central America... I’d say there is a deep biblical connection to the art of dreaming and stalking.
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u/Tolteka17
2 points2020-05-29 06:03
Yup, definitely.
Maybe all gods of all religions do exist, and all they are is inorganic beings who provide help in the physical world (good weather, crops, etc) in exchange for energy (worship).
Ancient monoliths are very interesting, so are the Anthropocene cave paintings. There is something very magical about the past that modern society doesn't have a clue about.
Dan said you could access a sort of Akashic Records through inner silence...
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Bet that went down well on that sub! I agree with you re the above but whenever I've said anything like that there you get bashed from both sides: fundies and atheists!
Oh I get them agitated, especially the more fundamentalist.
I don’t really care though, I am quite ruthless without being mean.
Better to know more than they do, because what they know is all wrong.
Then you don't have to get worked up about it, which stirs the internal dialogue and prevents magic.
I almost wonder if that isn't why India is the birthplace of super cool meditation.
Because they don't get worked up, and so they can follow whatever is working.
I remember one man telling me he was in India, and Jesus came up.
A man with a heavy Indian accent said to him, "Oh, we love your Lord Jesus. Of course he was the son of God!"
Then he went back to chanting in sanskrit.
I guess you could say that Christ was trying to teach us to control intent.
And he spent a lot of time in prayer and meditation.
Plus he came from a long line of obvious sorcerers (the prophets).
On the other hand, there's still something really creepy going on in the bible.
So far I've found no other religion which dared to make prophecies of the future.
Someone mentioned a Buddhist prophecy, but it turned out to be a book deal (written after the fact to get money for possessing it).
The bible contains around 1500 prophecies. If you're anti, or pro, you can get lost in the weeds, arguing about individual ones.
But none, absolutely none, has ever been shown to have been wrong.
And with any reasonable level of honesty, you have to admit many of them are eerily correct.
The problem is, people get bent out of shape and don't approach it as anything else.
Consider it an arcane science, the way I like to think of sorcery.
Toss out the religion part. Let the prince of darkness rest for a while.
If you're worried, just do the important parts. They don't take up any time at all.
And it's certainly not incompatible with magic, as your mention of the other belief systems attached to it. I guess you missed the Gnostics in that short list.
My guess is that sorcerers from around 5000 years ago got fed up with the absolute chaos of civilization back then and did something about it, by influencing the timeline.
But whatever any of you think about it, just keep in mind.
It got spoiled by book deals. Like everything else.
The pure thing is in the texts, not the churches or their followers.
Those are mostly very mixed up.
Thanks for the input Dan!
What with the manifestations changing between terrifying figure for fearful sinners to lovely virgins (Mary) for loving believers, isn’t that the inorganics manifestation pattern depending on emotion reflected?
I"d love to speculate on things like that. Especially because of how the qabala people define demons. Sure seems like an IOB to me.
However, your idea, even though attractive, ignores the texts themselves, and the magic they contain.
For example, you can trace Mary's lineage all the way back to Eve. There are even some danger points in there, where intervention is needed to preserve it.
That had to be because of what seems to be the first prophesy in the bible: all living will come from Eve.
That's usually taken the wrong way by people who believe Adam and Eve were the first man and woman. It's an odd belief, since hunters and fishermen were made on the 6th day, around the time when wild beasts were made, and Adam was made on the 8th, after god rested. He was made along with domesticated animals.
He was a man "to till the field", meaning, a farmer type.
That gave him a huge advantage over the fishers and hunters, including the metallurgy knowledge needed to farm. (From an apocrypha which seems to make a lot of sense).
And, Cain found a wife in the land of Nod, so it's pretty obvious Adam and Eve were merely the parents of Jews in general and not the first man and woman.
The prophesy simply means, salvation (eternal life) will come from Eve in the form of the messiah.
So if you trace the entire story line, there are prophecies all along the way, which always happen.
Many interconnected to that seedline.
And the main one requires Eve to be the mother of Messiah.
It's why Satan seduced her and had sex with her.
To pollute the seedline.
But Adam did too. Eve had a little gangbang going.
And some say, Adam partook of the tree also (tree = trunk = spine = nice way of saying something pretty shocking).
She gave birth to one child for Satan, and one for Adam, and Satan's child killed Adams.
A few years ago, a Dutch woman gave birth to a black child and a white child, at the same time.
She had 2 boyfriends.
When Eve was first cloned (the X "curve" was taken from Adam), the other half of that DNA strand, the Y (women don't have it), was saved until later, then put into Eve, resulting in a new clone of Adam with 100% of the originally designed male properties of Adam.
God is an engineer it seems.
And we can't have a grouchy messiah, or one with paranoid Schizophrenia.
He wanted the original DNA design.
Her child is called, "The second man Adam" in the texts.
There's real magic in there!
Knowledge of the future embedded.
Still, don't anyone worry! The price of darkness can't have your soul if you don't allow it.
You can be a christian and still learn the mastery of intent. In fact, all the better!
There are mystical Christians up the yin/yang.
Frankly, it would be very good for that community to bring a little magic back. They run around doing fake healings and exorcisms all day long.
God only knows they need some real magic.
Or you can be a Buddhist. The master of intent is what they're after anyway, without realizing it.
Or anything else. A Taoist surely.
If you die and find yourself at the pearly gates, and there's no eagle, and Saint Peter asks what you have to say for yourself, just say, "My bad."
"... not a man on a throne but a lion awaiting its prey."
I agree. The Gnostics believe God is actually a trickster, they call him Samael.
Perhaps he did create the world 6,000 years ago. Not the energetic world, but the material world. Don Juan himself used the Garden of Eve metaphor to talk about the descent of the once magical man into the sorry crap we are today.
Maybe the abrahamic God created the material world with the flyers to keep us trapped here. Who knows? For now it's all thought masturbation though, so whatever.
I agree, I look at the fall of man in the biblical stories as when our attention became fixated upon its present location.
It’s certainly easy to attach the energetic effects and outright deception of the Castaneda ‘flyers’ with mythical demons and devils.
Jesus walked on water with his energy body and came back from the dead according to biblical stories,sounds a whole lot like sorcery to me!
Also about sorcery being mentioned in the bible and quickly demonized as evil in order to maintain the power of the church is ironic.
Then let’s talk about Moses, who was raised as an Egyptian priest later to talk to god and bring about the exodus using all sorts of nifty tricks and supernatural abilities.
Oh weren’t those pyramids constructed by those same priests of ancient Egypt somehow Connected to the same pyramid builders in Mexico & Central America... I’d say there is a deep biblical connection to the art of dreaming and stalking.
Yup, definitely.
Maybe all gods of all religions do exist, and all they are is inorganic beings who provide help in the physical world (good weather, crops, etc) in exchange for energy (worship).
Ancient monoliths are very interesting, so are the Anthropocene cave paintings. There is something very magical about the past that modern society doesn't have a clue about.
Dan said you could access a sort of Akashic Records through inner silence...
That's certainly a must for me :p