General Knowledgeu/NoTrain62020-05-31 17:24 UTC1 points
And Guide but i cant speak english, sepanol
So i think i should collet peyote myself and eat alone
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u/danl999
8 points2020-05-31 17:58
He'd probably rather go where Cholita did, up in those mountains. But that's a huge cost to travel there and back to his home country.
What's the name of that place, so he can at least google it?
And of course you can buy peyote seeds all day long on eBay, as long as you know the "secret".
LPW. It's the initials of the scientific name.
They come from Thailand, or Ukraine most of the time.
But those take years to grow!
I saw some more mature ones but they cost a lot more.
"Safe" substitutes for LPW:
Morning glory seeds
Mushrooms
San Pedro Cactus
He wants to meet a spirit, the way they met Mescalito in Carlos' books.
I was thinking about that. Certainly if the old sorcerers had done that ritual and met Mescalito over and over, you could tap into that intent.
But it could also be that don Juan used one of the 4 allies they have available, and so there's no way you're going to meet Mescalito.
In other words, the meetings with the Devil's weed spirit, the Little Smoke, and Mescalito, were essentially stage performances by don Juan's group.
THEY caused it. Not the power plant.
Also, tapping into that intent would be so tricky. There's 1 million other threads of intent floating around, and you could tap into any of those.
Or you could tap into the intent, but not have enough energy. And end up with something weird and different.
Best you can hope for in my opinion, is to loosen up your assemblage point a little, get a really flashy experience, and then be motivated to learn to do it by yourself.
But believing it's as simple as take some peyote, meet Mescalito, is a beginner's mistake.
You got hooked by the story! That's what Carlos wanted.
But it's not a path you can follow.
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u/CruzWayne
1 points2020-06-01 17:20
What's the name of that place, so he can at least google it?
There are hostels in Estación Catorce in San Luis Potosí, from where people would set out west on foot. Or fancier, stay in Real de Catorce then take a Willys jeep down into the valley. It's illegal for anyone other than the Wixárika (Huichol) to collect peyote now though it probably still happens.
DIY mescaline with San Pedro Cactus, which ought to be pretty much legal everywhere.
It takes around a foot, and it's really foul to drink.
But it grows pretty fast!
It's all over neighborhoods in LA. Chunks fall off onto the sidewalk. Almost no one knows what it is, so it's not considered valuable.
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u/NoTrain6
0 points2020-05-31 18:11
I have experience San pedro, ayahuasca, mushroom, weed
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u/danl999
2 points2020-05-31 18:42
So you don't need any more!
Why not learn to do it yourself?
Forget about mescalito!
Get yourself a spirit of your own.
Between Cholita and me, we have 4.
Except Cholita's run away again. So I guess there's just mine left in the house.
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u/NoTrain6
1 points2020-05-31 18:43
I failed all try
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u/danl999
6 points2020-05-31 18:55
It's not possible to fail.
Only to give up.
But you do need to actually do some work.
It's about the same amount of work as learning to play the violin, very well.
Or the same amount of work as learning basketball in a short time.
3 hours a day.
Maybe you just didn't know what to try?
Gazing, silence, and Zuleica's technique.
It is not possible to fail.
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u/NoTrain6
1 points2020-05-31 19:14
After a few days I tried Ayahuasca, I had a severe skin disease at that Jungle. And the fake healer could not cure my illness. I often woke up from sleep because of itching. Everyday.
I had endure the pain for a month. And then i couldn't do it anymore. So I left there.
Whatever You're right. I gave up. And it is possible to fail You naive fellow.
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u/danl999
4 points2020-05-31 19:28
Maybe you failed at finding someone else to do all the work for you?
Yes, that almost always fails.
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u/Actor412
1 points2020-05-31 21:52
Don Juan states quite specifically that the use of power plants is limited. It will only show the student that the assemblage point can be moved, nothing more. It is also quite injurious, and only used when the student is so stubborn that no other method will work.
If you are looking to the Toltec path to justify using drugs, it is not for you. Just use the drugs without any excuse.
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u/NoTrain6
1 points2020-06-01 01:16
You're talking about allies, Peyote is different category.
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u/Actor412
0 points2020-06-01 02:05
If you are confused as to my point, ask questions. Don't tell me what I'm talking about.
Again, if you want to take peyote, take it. If you want to say that you're being a warrior by doing it, great, have a blast. Do whatever. I am telling you that it won't lead you anywhere. This is my own experience, as well as being explicitly stated in Castaneda's books.
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u/NoTrain6
1 points2020-06-01 02:16
I dont need leader. I need a Kind, Gentle protector and a Teacher. as Don Juan said. I want learn to live properly as Don Juan said
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u/Actor412
1 points2020-06-01 04:18
Where did you get the word "leader?" Perhaps you think you are replying to someone else who isn't me.
You have been given two gems of wisdom in this thread, two things that many students have wasted decades to achieve. 1) You cannot fail. You can only give up. 2) Hallucinogens are a dead end. They can only show you what is possible.
I will give you a third: Volunteers aren't welcome on the Warrior's Path (the passage is from The Power of Silence). They come with expectations, and dismiss all that is valuable because they don't fit in with their pre-conceived notions. If you truly want to move forward on the path, remove all expectations from your mind.
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u/NoTrain6
1 points2020-06-01 04:28
You wrote 'it won't lead you'
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u/Actor412
0 points2020-06-01 05:18
Ah.
Leader = a person.
Here is another way of saying it: "It won't take you anywhere."
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u/NoTrain6
1 points2020-06-01 04:36
Sorry. My english is not good
The problem I have right now is that I have only small money(maybe impossible go back to home), I can't speak English, and I can't speak Spanish,
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u/tryerrr
2 points2020-06-01 14:09
Learning to play violin is real and possible with effort.
“Wanting to play violin”, amplified to “wanting to learn to play violin”is rare and mostly caused by trickery and force by parents or socium.
It’s not possible, with persistemt effort, to fail to “learn to play violin”,but it is very possible to fail to “want to learn to play violin”, if the “want” is not internalized.
By doing “not-doings” and trying to randomly hook second attention, the second attention “I” is prodded, stimulated, and response to the stimuli can be seen in dreams and memories if monitored closely.
This second I is the possible source of the “want to learn” sorcery, as nothing in first attention would cause such “want” to emerge, except narcissistic suicidal drives.
No sane person would want to “exit the matrix”, unless the person either gets “unexplainable urges” from the second “I” (the preferred sorcerer’s motivation) or feels that the world is somehow unjust and wrong and incompatible (textbook narcissism), and then tries to learn “magic” to get the “upper hand” in society or as a “social persona suicide” (less preferred, because even slight positive acknowledgements from society can nullify the drive).
Prod that second “I”, so you amplify your Want to practice sorcery!
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u/danl999
2 points2020-06-01 15:56
Or to sum it up: mental illness is common in the Castaneda community.
People often worry about don Juan's statement that volunteers are mostly cracked.
They worry, "Does that mean I'm cracked, and can't learn?"
Yes.
So what?
Learn anyway.
The only thing that can make you fail is giving up, or dying.
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u/JustinBilyj
1 points2020-05-31 22:39
Not sure but you can find San Pedro in a ton of plant shops
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u/danl999
2 points2020-06-01 15:59
He's in another country, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some there too. It's a nice ornamental.
But I suspect he's only read the books that were translated, and might be stuck in the imaginary stuff don Juan came up with, to entertain Carlos.
That stuff was probably old sorcerer stuff. Complex rituals to invoke a specific intent, but which actually have no value other than entertainment.
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u/JustinBilyj
1 points2020-06-01 17:28
Entertainment can distract the first attention....
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u/danl999
3 points2020-06-01 18:55
Good point!
I've long suspected Carlos was doing that in private classes. But I have yet to recover any second attention memories to prove it.
The other possible "plan" was to make those classes available as re-runs.
No private class lost.
And many points of view to teach you which attitude issues cause failure.
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He'd probably rather go where Cholita did, up in those mountains. But that's a huge cost to travel there and back to his home country.
What's the name of that place, so he can at least google it?
And of course you can buy peyote seeds all day long on eBay, as long as you know the "secret".
LPW. It's the initials of the scientific name.
They come from Thailand, or Ukraine most of the time.
But those take years to grow!
I saw some more mature ones but they cost a lot more.
"Safe" substitutes for LPW:
Morning glory seeds
Mushrooms
San Pedro Cactus
He wants to meet a spirit, the way they met Mescalito in Carlos' books.
I was thinking about that. Certainly if the old sorcerers had done that ritual and met Mescalito over and over, you could tap into that intent.
But it could also be that don Juan used one of the 4 allies they have available, and so there's no way you're going to meet Mescalito.
In other words, the meetings with the Devil's weed spirit, the Little Smoke, and Mescalito, were essentially stage performances by don Juan's group.
THEY caused it. Not the power plant.
Also, tapping into that intent would be so tricky. There's 1 million other threads of intent floating around, and you could tap into any of those.
Or you could tap into the intent, but not have enough energy. And end up with something weird and different.
Best you can hope for in my opinion, is to loosen up your assemblage point a little, get a really flashy experience, and then be motivated to learn to do it by yourself.
But believing it's as simple as take some peyote, meet Mescalito, is a beginner's mistake.
You got hooked by the story! That's what Carlos wanted.
But it's not a path you can follow.
There are hostels in Estación Catorce in San Luis Potosí, from where people would set out west on foot. Or fancier, stay in Real de Catorce then take a Willys jeep down into the valley. It's illegal for anyone other than the Wixárika (Huichol) to collect peyote now though it probably still happens.
https://www.google.com/search?q=san+pedro+cactus&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwiRt9r22N7pAhUCAzQIHeIHCiwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=san+pedro+cactus&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDFAAWABg5m5oAHAAeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZw&sclient=img&ei=ffLTXtGEC4KG0PEP4o-o4AI&rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS706US706
DIY mescaline with San Pedro Cactus, which ought to be pretty much legal everywhere.
It takes around a foot, and it's really foul to drink.
But it grows pretty fast!
It's all over neighborhoods in LA. Chunks fall off onto the sidewalk. Almost no one knows what it is, so it's not considered valuable.
I have experience San pedro, ayahuasca, mushroom, weed
So you don't need any more!
Why not learn to do it yourself?
Forget about mescalito!
Get yourself a spirit of your own.
Between Cholita and me, we have 4.
Except Cholita's run away again. So I guess there's just mine left in the house.
I failed all try
It's not possible to fail.
Only to give up.
But you do need to actually do some work.
It's about the same amount of work as learning to play the violin, very well.
Or the same amount of work as learning basketball in a short time.
3 hours a day.
Maybe you just didn't know what to try?
Gazing, silence, and Zuleica's technique.
It is not possible to fail.
After a few days I tried Ayahuasca, I had a severe skin disease at that Jungle. And the fake healer could not cure my illness. I often woke up from sleep because of itching. Everyday.
I had endure the pain for a month. And then i couldn't do it anymore. So I left there.
Whatever You're right. I gave up. And it is possible to fail You naive fellow.
Maybe you failed at finding someone else to do all the work for you?
Yes, that almost always fails.
Don Juan states quite specifically that the use of power plants is limited. It will only show the student that the assemblage point can be moved, nothing more. It is also quite injurious, and only used when the student is so stubborn that no other method will work.
If you are looking to the Toltec path to justify using drugs, it is not for you. Just use the drugs without any excuse.
You're talking about allies, Peyote is different category.
If you are confused as to my point, ask questions. Don't tell me what I'm talking about.
Again, if you want to take peyote, take it. If you want to say that you're being a warrior by doing it, great, have a blast. Do whatever. I am telling you that it won't lead you anywhere. This is my own experience, as well as being explicitly stated in Castaneda's books.
I dont need leader. I need a Kind, Gentle protector and a Teacher. as Don Juan said. I want learn to live properly as Don Juan said
Where did you get the word "leader?" Perhaps you think you are replying to someone else who isn't me.
You have been given two gems of wisdom in this thread, two things that many students have wasted decades to achieve. 1) You cannot fail. You can only give up. 2) Hallucinogens are a dead end. They can only show you what is possible.
I will give you a third: Volunteers aren't welcome on the Warrior's Path (the passage is from The Power of Silence). They come with expectations, and dismiss all that is valuable because they don't fit in with their pre-conceived notions. If you truly want to move forward on the path, remove all expectations from your mind.
You wrote 'it won't lead you'
Ah.
Leader = a person.
Here is another way of saying it: "It won't take you anywhere."
Sorry. My english is not good
The problem I have right now is that I have only small money(maybe impossible go back to home), I can't speak English, and I can't speak Spanish,
Learning to play violin is real and possible with effort.
“Wanting to play violin”, amplified to “wanting to learn to play violin”is rare and mostly caused by trickery and force by parents or socium.
It’s not possible, with persistemt effort, to fail to “learn to play violin”,but it is very possible to fail to “want to learn to play violin”, if the “want” is not internalized.
By doing “not-doings” and trying to randomly hook second attention, the second attention “I” is prodded, stimulated, and response to the stimuli can be seen in dreams and memories if monitored closely.
This second I is the possible source of the “want to learn” sorcery, as nothing in first attention would cause such “want” to emerge, except narcissistic suicidal drives.
No sane person would want to “exit the matrix”, unless the person either gets “unexplainable urges” from the second “I” (the preferred sorcerer’s motivation) or feels that the world is somehow unjust and wrong and incompatible (textbook narcissism), and then tries to learn “magic” to get the “upper hand” in society or as a “social persona suicide” (less preferred, because even slight positive acknowledgements from society can nullify the drive).
Prod that second “I”, so you amplify your Want to practice sorcery!
Or to sum it up: mental illness is common in the Castaneda community.
People often worry about don Juan's statement that volunteers are mostly cracked.
They worry, "Does that mean I'm cracked, and can't learn?"
Yes.
So what?
Learn anyway.
The only thing that can make you fail is giving up, or dying.
Not sure but you can find San Pedro in a ton of plant shops
He's in another country, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some there too. It's a nice ornamental.
But I suspect he's only read the books that were translated, and might be stuck in the imaginary stuff don Juan came up with, to entertain Carlos.
That stuff was probably old sorcerer stuff. Complex rituals to invoke a specific intent, but which actually have no value other than entertainment.
Entertainment can distract the first attention....
Good point!
I've long suspected Carlos was doing that in private classes. But I have yet to recover any second attention memories to prove it.
The other possible "plan" was to make those classes available as re-runs.
No private class lost.
And many points of view to teach you which attitude issues cause failure.