Research article on the formulation, preparation, and ritual use of psychedelics in the old testament. The article approaches these acts through the lens of shamanic practice - animal transformation, power plants, allys, and visitation/conjuring.
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u/danl999
1 points2020-06-04 15:39
I noticed opium wine and marijuana extracts in the texts (in the old testament).
Daoism is said by some to have been invented by a poppy wine cult around the period of the Akkadians.
And likely the witch of Endor was using something. Knowing witchcraft history a bit, Devil's weed tea was likely.
People always find out about Devil's weed, if they have horses around. They munch it and get high.
Also Balaam, the guy with a talking donkey, for sure.
But you have to be careful of biblical stuff that doesn't look as scientific as that article.
That looks legit. But usually alternate views of the bible are not.
There's all kinds of nonsense out there, designed to make guilty Christians feel better about rebelling against their family religion.
It's the king of book deals! Unhappy angry people buy books like that, and then go around pestering their religious friends with them.
It's anti-Christianity, designed to look intelligent and thoughtful.
People really get angry if you try to explain that they're believing something untrue.
For instance, Jesus was a mushroom. That type of thing is all over.
I supposed our internal dialogues are so hellish that people make little additions to help themselves, and don't care much whether the information is correct.
If you try to alter those, all the pain they'll feel without that thought comes to mind, and they attack.
Cholita has taught me about that. Her delusions are actually painful to her, and can cause her to go catatonic.
She strikes out in anger to postpone going catatonic.
And when she's in a more even mood, she tries to keep it that way, with books like I've described.
Maybe we're all guilty of using Carlos' books that way. To get an endorphin boost while we read it.
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u/KrazyTayl
2 points2020-06-04 19:42
Maybe we're all guilty of using Carlos' books that way. To get an endorphin boost while we read it.
Yes, I still remember reading them for first time and I'd wake up in the morning not excited for coffee but so that I could keep reading those books!
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u/sad_cosmic_joke
1 points2020-06-04 21:12
For instance,
Jesus was a mushroom.
There are reasonable arguments that can be made for that viewpoint - ex: gnostic preservation of the Eleusinian Mysteries
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u/danl999
3 points2020-06-04 21:20
But the historical account has an actual Jesus.
And there are 1500 prophecies in the old testament, written before his birth, which agree with the circumstances of the account of his life.
And the old testament goes out of it's way to trace his heritage directly back to Adam, calling him, "the second man Adam".
There's even cloning in there!
The mushroom argument is not an intelligent argument.
It's amusing. Fun.
And there might be a mushroom cult in there somewhere.
But it doesn't account for the weirdness of the old testament.
Around 400BC that book was sealed with acrostics.
Codes in the margins, to prevent altering it.
Like a primitive hash.
My motto: Don't make bad things go away. Enjoy them!
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u/Luisyelsol
1 points2020-07-30 15:23
I have been reading "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross " by John M. Allegro.
⛪=🍄 😊
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u/danl999
3 points2020-07-30 16:06
I hope that isn't the book claiming Jesus was a mushroom.
Carlos assigned me the task of studying the bible. Which I did.
One thing I learned is, there's a whole industry for "anti-christian" writings, designed to make reluctant believers feel better about rebelling against that religion.
That's probably one of them.
They're about like Victor's book, compared to the real thing, Carlos.
Just a dishonest book deal.
There's good reason to criticize Christianity. But it's better to know the good reasons, not the made up ones.
The made up ones won't make you any stronger, when you have to face the Eagle.
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u/Luisyelsol
1 points2020-07-30 16:11
Yes it is that book. It writes about judeo-Christianity coming from "paganism" rituals before the new testament.
Also, I do get it when you say book deal and anti-Christian writings. I'll keep that in mind.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-07-30 16:24
It's more interesting to understand the actual sinister nature of the bible.
It REALLY does predict the future, over and over again.
But you have to study it in depth to realize that.
And if you look into it, you'll realize, the prophets were sorcerers.
Someone posted that their technique was to "see energy", by putting their head between their legs, and shutting off their internal dialogue that way.
But it's also written that they bury themselves up to their head in sand, inside caves.
I favor the cave myself! Imagine viewing energy on the inside of a cave!
Cholita does that. She has a red/orange cave world she visits. Howard Lee somehow caused it.
How the prophets picked up on the future is beyond me, but we know it's possible.
I suppose they were specialists.
Then they cashed in, using that to "prove" the rest of what they wanted people to believe.
10% magic is good enough for 90% made up stuff. People will fall for it.
The made up stuff was really good though. Be good to your neighbor.
That's great!
But they really should have been passing on their magical abilities, not tinkering with society.
Unless you believe there's just one Petty Tyrant in the entire universe, and he cares only about this reality, and ignores the hundreds of other worlds we can visit, you have no place creating moral systems for everyone in the future.
It's the orphan kids licking the plates at the outdoor restaurant, who have the best chance to learn magic.
The preacher's kids have no chance at all.
It's like the Jewish prophets decided everyone else was too stupid to learn magic, so they'd give them a lecture about morals.
None of that is intended to take away from the Gnostics. Or Qabalists.
Both had some magic going on for sure.
But like Buddhists, that magic is infected with beliefs, which block seeing what's actually there.
Buddhists for example believe that cyclic beings are themselves, in various births.
As a result, they can't realize that all of those are going on at the same time, and you can decide to switch to one of those.
That leads to wondering what happens in between, so someone invents the idea of heaven and hell, and purgatory.
By the way. I've seen purgatory.
Very beautiful in fact. Highly decorated couches with cushions to sit on while you wait.
But it's possible you have to have a brush with death to see that. At least, the bible implies that.
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u/Luisyelsol
1 points2020-07-30 16:47
Wow!! Eye opening! I'm interested in reading the Bible now 😁😁
Through your readings of other techniques (religions) have you found any knowledge that helps you in your practices?
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u/danl999
3 points2020-07-30 17:25
Yes, but not in the way you mean.
I noticed that some things change from religion to religion.
Those are made up.
Some things are common to all religions.
Those are based on something real.
But once you know what's made up, and what's real, you still have to sit your butt down everyday and practice something.
Or you never learn.
That's why the phony sorcery teachers are so evil.
They postpone people from actually sitting their ass down and getting to work.
They also add false ideas, which would impede them from noticing something was working.
So they drug you, and confuse you.
To keep you stupid and paying cash to remain that way.
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u/Luisyelsol
1 points2020-07-30 18:48
Sounds like that's the trend for everyone... except a few.
We have so much garbage in us!!!!
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u/danl999
4 points2020-07-30 19:08
Don Juan said the world is endless folly.
At first people take that as a superiority trip. They eat it up, walking around thinking to themselves that they're above everyone else, because they recognize it's all folly.
But you can't possibly understand that until you really learn to do magic, and then try to pass it on.
And you cannot! Everyone who claimed to want it, is really after something else.
The phony teachers figure out what they're after, and put it in their own book.
Typically people want more companionship and group practices, and some weird idea to hold in their head, like new lineages will form, or you have to be dedicated to "the 4 agreements".
Mental masturbation material.
All of it holds people back, but you can't get it to go away so the pure stuff is what people encounter.
Looking around to figure out why it's so messed up, you discover that all of the world religions are actually nasty book deals.
Someone did some magic, then the phonies came along to cash in.
And people eagerly join up, then run around recommending the phonies without actually having any knowledge.
Imagine recommending Victor, when you have zero knowledge yourself!
Buddhism is like that. Got corrupted, and the nasty monks enforce it now.
Daoism got corrupted.
Judaism/Christianity may have been something else, but it's so covered up now, who knows what it really is.
I'd like to say Hinduism too, but those guys are too weird to define.
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u/Luisyelsol
2 points2020-07-30 21:56
Every time I feel I am getting somewhere you are able to see through my thoughts. Like you met people like me before and know exactly where we fail at.
I do like how you put it in perspective it helps me recognize those traits in me. I can see myself on a lot of the mistakes and shit people do (including me) you have mention before, when approaching this or other knowledge.
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u/danl999
4 points2020-07-30 22:24
I've just been teaching so long, I've already run into most things.
Carlos too! He had 40 years of experience teaching, by the time I got into his classes.
It's actually a "thing". Learning to deal with meditation students.
In some ways, putting up with that means the me-too Naguals have learned something useful.
If only they actually knew some sorcery.
Maybe I'll shame one of them, and they'll secretly start practicing.
The problem is, if they actually learn some sorcery, they'll realize no one can learn the way they were trying to teach.
If one of them wants to do some good, build a dark house and have people stay there, forcing them to practice even if they don't like it.
If a student can't find colors, have some morning glory seeds or shrooms around, with someone who knows how to guide a person using those.
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u/Luisyelsol
1 points2020-07-31 17:47
It shows on the way you guide ppls in here.
Have you ever had direct pupil under you? And if you did, how was the experience from your perspective?
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u/danl999
3 points2020-07-31 18:04
Good god no. How awful that would be!
I pity Carlos. If he had the internet, I doubt he would have messed with people directly, and he'd still be alive.
Look at all the crap sorcerers have to make up, to get apprentices to behave like decent people.
"Be a good little impeccable warrior, and you can earn your Man of Knowledge badge!"
People eat that stuff up!
But the last 25 years have proven, that stuff wasn't for the benefit of apprentices.
Because it doesn't work! We've lost nearly the entire crop of people interested in Carlos' books over the years.
Only the ones obsessed with socializing remain. And you can't get them to give that up, and actually learn sorcery.
It upsets their social balance.
Carlos even had to make up more stuff.
To keep the 3 chacmools from hogging the bathroom, he convinced Kylie that water was harmful to her.
They sat on the toilet and took sponge baths.
So Carlos could use the bathroom when he wanted.
Then he convinced them that sugar was evil. And it caused them to flip out.
Reni still believes that! She has press releases on the evil's of sugar, rather than on how to make sorcery actually work so we can save the teachings of don Juan from the junk heap of phony guru history.
Carlos just wanted a way to criticize their behavior, without them getting all pouty and sad.
He even dragged the entire private class into the deception, announcing we were to give up all sugar and stimulants, for what amounted to 3 to 6 months.
Then he never mentioned it again, because it was really his inner circle he was tricking.
He could just say, "Ah ha! There, you did it again! It's that cupcake you ate for lunch yesterday! And of all things, Chocolate!!! Cut it out, that's not your natural behavior."
I'm afraid, I would never be able to pull those off. I'd be laughing as I tried to convince them cake was evil.
Don Juan had a little fun with Carlos too, in the books.
He actually got him to sew a lizard's eyes shut, just to get a visit from Minx.
It seems to have left a mark on Minx. I've seen him appear with little toenails scurrying across a floor at least twice. A left over lizard attribute I suppose.
Cholita on the other hand, would love to have an apprentice.
But be prepared to bring your tools, paint brushes, and gloves.
As she constantly explains, the home she's trapped in is a dump. It needs a lot more work.
And you might have to do it bare shirt, depending on your age.
If she starts directing you to build a cage in the corner of her she-shed, that's probably not a good idea.
She once promised a worker at Whole Foods that she'd take him home and keep him in a cage.
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Research article on the formulation, preparation, and ritual use of psychedelics in the old testament. The article approaches these acts through the lens of shamanic practice - animal transformation, power plants, allys, and visitation/conjuring.
I noticed opium wine and marijuana extracts in the texts (in the old testament).
Daoism is said by some to have been invented by a poppy wine cult around the period of the Akkadians.
And likely the witch of Endor was using something. Knowing witchcraft history a bit, Devil's weed tea was likely.
People always find out about Devil's weed, if they have horses around. They munch it and get high.
Also Balaam, the guy with a talking donkey, for sure.
But you have to be careful of biblical stuff that doesn't look as scientific as that article.
That looks legit. But usually alternate views of the bible are not.
There's all kinds of nonsense out there, designed to make guilty Christians feel better about rebelling against their family religion.
It's the king of book deals! Unhappy angry people buy books like that, and then go around pestering their religious friends with them.
It's anti-Christianity, designed to look intelligent and thoughtful.
People really get angry if you try to explain that they're believing something untrue.
For instance, Jesus was a mushroom. That type of thing is all over.
I supposed our internal dialogues are so hellish that people make little additions to help themselves, and don't care much whether the information is correct.
If you try to alter those, all the pain they'll feel without that thought comes to mind, and they attack.
Cholita has taught me about that. Her delusions are actually painful to her, and can cause her to go catatonic.
She strikes out in anger to postpone going catatonic.
And when she's in a more even mood, she tries to keep it that way, with books like I've described.
Maybe we're all guilty of using Carlos' books that way. To get an endorphin boost while we read it.
Yes, I still remember reading them for first time and I'd wake up in the morning not excited for coffee but so that I could keep reading those books!
There are reasonable arguments that can be made for that viewpoint - ex: gnostic preservation of the Eleusinian Mysteries
But the historical account has an actual Jesus.
And there are 1500 prophecies in the old testament, written before his birth, which agree with the circumstances of the account of his life.
And the old testament goes out of it's way to trace his heritage directly back to Adam, calling him, "the second man Adam".
There's even cloning in there!
The mushroom argument is not an intelligent argument.
It's amusing. Fun.
And there might be a mushroom cult in there somewhere.
But it doesn't account for the weirdness of the old testament.
Around 400BC that book was sealed with acrostics.
Codes in the margins, to prevent altering it.
Like a primitive hash.
My motto: Don't make bad things go away. Enjoy them!
I have been reading "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross " by John M. Allegro.
⛪=🍄 😊
I hope that isn't the book claiming Jesus was a mushroom.
Carlos assigned me the task of studying the bible. Which I did.
One thing I learned is, there's a whole industry for "anti-christian" writings, designed to make reluctant believers feel better about rebelling against that religion.
That's probably one of them.
They're about like Victor's book, compared to the real thing, Carlos.
Just a dishonest book deal.
There's good reason to criticize Christianity. But it's better to know the good reasons, not the made up ones.
The made up ones won't make you any stronger, when you have to face the Eagle.
Yes it is that book. It writes about judeo-Christianity coming from "paganism" rituals before the new testament.
Also, I do get it when you say book deal and anti-Christian writings. I'll keep that in mind.
It's more interesting to understand the actual sinister nature of the bible.
It REALLY does predict the future, over and over again.
But you have to study it in depth to realize that.
And if you look into it, you'll realize, the prophets were sorcerers.
Someone posted that their technique was to "see energy", by putting their head between their legs, and shutting off their internal dialogue that way.
But it's also written that they bury themselves up to their head in sand, inside caves.
I favor the cave myself! Imagine viewing energy on the inside of a cave!
Cholita does that. She has a red/orange cave world she visits. Howard Lee somehow caused it.
How the prophets picked up on the future is beyond me, but we know it's possible.
I suppose they were specialists.
Then they cashed in, using that to "prove" the rest of what they wanted people to believe.
10% magic is good enough for 90% made up stuff. People will fall for it.
The made up stuff was really good though. Be good to your neighbor.
That's great!
But they really should have been passing on their magical abilities, not tinkering with society.
Unless you believe there's just one Petty Tyrant in the entire universe, and he cares only about this reality, and ignores the hundreds of other worlds we can visit, you have no place creating moral systems for everyone in the future.
It's the orphan kids licking the plates at the outdoor restaurant, who have the best chance to learn magic.
The preacher's kids have no chance at all.
It's like the Jewish prophets decided everyone else was too stupid to learn magic, so they'd give them a lecture about morals.
None of that is intended to take away from the Gnostics. Or Qabalists.
Both had some magic going on for sure.
But like Buddhists, that magic is infected with beliefs, which block seeing what's actually there.
Buddhists for example believe that cyclic beings are themselves, in various births.
As a result, they can't realize that all of those are going on at the same time, and you can decide to switch to one of those.
That leads to wondering what happens in between, so someone invents the idea of heaven and hell, and purgatory.
By the way. I've seen purgatory.
Very beautiful in fact. Highly decorated couches with cushions to sit on while you wait.
But it's possible you have to have a brush with death to see that. At least, the bible implies that.
Wow!! Eye opening! I'm interested in reading the Bible now 😁😁
Through your readings of other techniques (religions) have you found any knowledge that helps you in your practices?
Yes, but not in the way you mean.
I noticed that some things change from religion to religion.
Those are made up.
Some things are common to all religions.
Those are based on something real.
But once you know what's made up, and what's real, you still have to sit your butt down everyday and practice something.
Or you never learn.
That's why the phony sorcery teachers are so evil.
They postpone people from actually sitting their ass down and getting to work.
They also add false ideas, which would impede them from noticing something was working.
So they drug you, and confuse you.
To keep you stupid and paying cash to remain that way.
Sounds like that's the trend for everyone... except a few.
We have so much garbage in us!!!!
Don Juan said the world is endless folly.
At first people take that as a superiority trip. They eat it up, walking around thinking to themselves that they're above everyone else, because they recognize it's all folly.
But you can't possibly understand that until you really learn to do magic, and then try to pass it on.
And you cannot! Everyone who claimed to want it, is really after something else.
The phony teachers figure out what they're after, and put it in their own book.
Typically people want more companionship and group practices, and some weird idea to hold in their head, like new lineages will form, or you have to be dedicated to "the 4 agreements".
Mental masturbation material.
All of it holds people back, but you can't get it to go away so the pure stuff is what people encounter.
Looking around to figure out why it's so messed up, you discover that all of the world religions are actually nasty book deals.
Someone did some magic, then the phonies came along to cash in.
And people eagerly join up, then run around recommending the phonies without actually having any knowledge.
Imagine recommending Victor, when you have zero knowledge yourself!
Buddhism is like that. Got corrupted, and the nasty monks enforce it now.
Daoism got corrupted.
Judaism/Christianity may have been something else, but it's so covered up now, who knows what it really is.
I'd like to say Hinduism too, but those guys are too weird to define.
Every time I feel I am getting somewhere you are able to see through my thoughts. Like you met people like me before and know exactly where we fail at.
I do like how you put it in perspective it helps me recognize those traits in me. I can see myself on a lot of the mistakes and shit people do (including me) you have mention before, when approaching this or other knowledge.
I've just been teaching so long, I've already run into most things.
Carlos too! He had 40 years of experience teaching, by the time I got into his classes.
It's actually a "thing". Learning to deal with meditation students.
In some ways, putting up with that means the me-too Naguals have learned something useful.
If only they actually knew some sorcery.
Maybe I'll shame one of them, and they'll secretly start practicing.
The problem is, if they actually learn some sorcery, they'll realize no one can learn the way they were trying to teach.
If one of them wants to do some good, build a dark house and have people stay there, forcing them to practice even if they don't like it.
If a student can't find colors, have some morning glory seeds or shrooms around, with someone who knows how to guide a person using those.
It shows on the way you guide ppls in here.
Have you ever had direct pupil under you? And if you did, how was the experience from your perspective?
Good god no. How awful that would be!
I pity Carlos. If he had the internet, I doubt he would have messed with people directly, and he'd still be alive.
Look at all the crap sorcerers have to make up, to get apprentices to behave like decent people.
"Be a good little impeccable warrior, and you can earn your Man of Knowledge badge!"
People eat that stuff up!
But the last 25 years have proven, that stuff wasn't for the benefit of apprentices.
Because it doesn't work! We've lost nearly the entire crop of people interested in Carlos' books over the years.
Only the ones obsessed with socializing remain. And you can't get them to give that up, and actually learn sorcery.
It upsets their social balance.
Carlos even had to make up more stuff.
To keep the 3 chacmools from hogging the bathroom, he convinced Kylie that water was harmful to her.
They sat on the toilet and took sponge baths.
So Carlos could use the bathroom when he wanted.
Then he convinced them that sugar was evil. And it caused them to flip out.
Reni still believes that! She has press releases on the evil's of sugar, rather than on how to make sorcery actually work so we can save the teachings of don Juan from the junk heap of phony guru history.
Carlos just wanted a way to criticize their behavior, without them getting all pouty and sad.
He even dragged the entire private class into the deception, announcing we were to give up all sugar and stimulants, for what amounted to 3 to 6 months.
Then he never mentioned it again, because it was really his inner circle he was tricking.
He could just say, "Ah ha! There, you did it again! It's that cupcake you ate for lunch yesterday! And of all things, Chocolate!!! Cut it out, that's not your natural behavior."
I'm afraid, I would never be able to pull those off. I'd be laughing as I tried to convince them cake was evil.
Don Juan had a little fun with Carlos too, in the books.
He actually got him to sew a lizard's eyes shut, just to get a visit from Minx.
It seems to have left a mark on Minx. I've seen him appear with little toenails scurrying across a floor at least twice. A left over lizard attribute I suppose.
Cholita on the other hand, would love to have an apprentice.
But be prepared to bring your tools, paint brushes, and gloves.
As she constantly explains, the home she's trapped in is a dump. It needs a lot more work.
And you might have to do it bare shirt, depending on your age.
If she starts directing you to build a cage in the corner of her she-shed, that's probably not a good idea.
She once promised a worker at Whole Foods that she'd take him home and keep him in a cage.
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