On separate reality Don Juan teaches CC...and I'm paraphrasing: "to help reach silence one can use hearing"
My question is that, if I focus my attention to the hearing instead of the looking will I "see"(because of the silence)?
On separate reality Don Juan teaches CC...and I'm paraphrasing: "to help reach silence one can use hearing"
My question is that, if I focus my attention to the hearing instead of the looking will I "see"(because of the silence)?
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Mmmm, correct me If i am wrong: I think that you can start the silence by hearing; but only start (because you can think about what you are hearing).
For me, hearing is a consequence of being silent.
You get super hearing if you get silent.
It's because you aren't distracted by your thoughts.
I suppose it's one reason for the obsession over "Zen".
That and the Japanese are hazing bullies.
If you get silent all the time, your sensory experience alters to seem almost magical.
But you quickly get used to it.
We were all cast so deep into the river of filth, that getting out a little is still not much, compared to what's possible.
So soon it seems ordinary.
Hearing can lead to silence but hearing can lead to thoughts as well.
If hearing is a consequence of being silent. Can I focus on hearing to have a consequence of silence?
I do use hearing as a tool to get silence. But is not my only tool.
It depends on what you mean by seeing.
Just finding a puff of purple color is a form of seeing.
Anything that's "not there", and yet you see it, is seeing.
But when the assemblage point moves below the first line on that J curve, it becomes possible to see inorganic beings.
Then when it moves below the second line, you can see energy on the walls. Just barely.
When it comes back up the other side in the front, it becomes possible to organize the energy you can see on flat surfaces, and you can assemble another world.
Everything in that world might look perfectly normal, and yet it's seeing.
When it gets to the end of the J curve, it's possible to see the emanations. As an infinite expanse of lines of light going all directions, each one giving off a specific "feeling".
But oddly, it's possible to see the emanations once you can see the puffs. They're stuck in there, you just have to gaze into them.
And if someone goes up behind you and shouts, "BOO!!!!!", you can end up seeing, because the fright moves your assemblage point a bit.
It's also seeing when you see the room with your eyes closed, during meditation. Or when you wake up from a dream, and weird stuff is still going on in the room while your eyes are open, because the assemblage point hasn't moved back all the way.
If you focus on your hearing, your obsessive internal dialogue is interrupted. Slightly.
Yes, you could end up seeing, but you probably won't think it's very rewarding.
Watch out for the beginner's "trigger words".
Those are the words from the books that make hot shot inventory experts feel special.
They include "seeing", "the 3rd attention", "abstract", "Toltec", and "impeccable".
When you hear those words from someone new to this subreddit, be prepared to run for your life.
Or if you stumble on a website where the word, "Toltec" is a prominent feature.
In that case, keep a good eye on your wallet and your underwear.
LMAO😂😂😂 the last part
Ill keep a look out for beginners and the terms being use for their experiences. Also, I do fall myself utilizing the same lingo without fully understanding the concept.
I am one of the beginners who uses words incorrectly 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'll watch myself!!!!
For the first part of your comment I appreciate your insight.
You're good to put seeing in quotation marks!
Some people take the concept of seeing way too literally! Seeing is a way of connecting with knowledge and takes many forms. For some it's visual, for others it's auditory, and for others still it can be shifts in emotion, temperature, sensation, taste, etc...
Spend time honing your individual senses and see which ones are the most sensitive.
In the end "seeing" is about using one's senses to *know* something. The important thing is being aware of your own awareness. :)
A question that came to me a few days ago is: If I didn't have eyes, would I still see the colors of the second attention? or could a blind man see them? I guess yes.
Let me ask you this: is seeing a metaphor?
Noo!! It is practical magic. You can see things, and it can seem the same as if you are looking at it with your first atention. But thats the thing. "Seeing" is not from the first atenttion. Dan said: Anything that's "not there", and yet you see it, is seeing.
If you want see you must start the darkroom practice! In darkness you can see some colors and lights. Some of them can get brighter. You can notice that there is some texture in the floating colors. And then, amazingly, all colors are magically organized to form things!! It is as if there is information floating in the air, you just have to learn to perceive it.
Once you learn to active your second attention, you will have magic around you in your day too!
If you want to know how seeing in darkness is, you can look at the drawings I posted, or Dan's. They are really very similar to what you can perceive (obviously without the incredible magic that they have).
You're right of course.
But if it's not actually visual, it's not very impressive.
I'm just trying to motivate people to go all the way, and impressive results is what they need to get them to practice.
There's a motivation continuum. When you pass the halfway mark, you no longer look at the clock.
But to get past that motivation continuum, you need IMPOSSIBLE staring you right in the face.
We already have Reni and Nyei sitting in a chair with their eyes closed, doing magic that way.
Or Miles teaching you to "set up dreaming".
Sleeping dreaming.
Shamans playing with spirits they can't see, or skilled lucid dreamers, are a dime a dozen.
We need more to restore the reputation of Carlos.
And the teachings of don Juan have nearly fallen off Grinch mountain, into the trash heap of history.
We need impressive. Practical magic.
That’s because external sound isn’t related to the internal dialogue.
External sound is connected to the senses just like you can use smells to shift your assemblage point.
Mmm Apple pie!
Thats cool!! How is it done?
Well Apple pie probably won’t send you into another dimension but a shift in your AP can happen.
First off you have to understand that as a energetic being of perception you are actually a frequency of time.
You are a being that exists within a frequency of energetic wavelengths held together by sensory recognition you internalize and make solid.
The important part to remember is that the frequency that comprises the composition of our AP is time and more specifically what time.
That time is the now.
Once the AP aligns itself with the frequency of the now time becomes fluid.
Subtle shifts of the AP are possible in the alignment of different frequencies within the energetic fabric in which we draw perception.
This now aligns with the now from before or even perhaps a future now or a now in another range of the frequency we inhabit within our habits.
Smell, taste, sight, hearing all are more closely tied to the frequency outside ourselves and less tied to our perception of it.
This is because the perception of the energetic universe is a description including our perception of incoming sensory data.
What it however effects is the position of the AP and it’s connection with the now or alignments specifically identified with sensory input.
This is how smell can effect the AP and even time itself
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Understood and I am able to visualize every word you wrote. It definitely will help my practices. Thanks!!!
This makes me really happy I’ve recently given up thinking (for the most part). So much more relaxing. I mean the stress of constantly figuring out what’s what (with thought) uses a ton of energy. Who knew?
Ok... but i mean how to do it? How to let a smell move our AP?
You have to intend it.
Or sometimes spirit will move it for you through silence.
The important part is recognizing the shift and utilization of the power of the now.
That power is accumulative.
Good grief! Why not just do your best to accrue silence? Then you’ll start to know what’s what without all the complication!
Sure why not?
Mmmm apple pie!!! Hahahaha
The main cultivation practice of the Surangama Sutra is hearing. From this article:
The "sixth consciousness" or manas roughly is the organ of thought, so listening without engaging thought is the practice. Kuan-Yin or Guanyin is the female personification of the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara, whose mantra is the well known Om mane padme hum.
Great info, I do appreciate you sharing it.
It has help me get silence definitely.
One of the things I have "realized" is: in the early stages of life (0-10) we are programed with certain ideas, skills, etc. Some of this skills are also passed down from generation. So just for this subject, I am referring to the way we learn... ...we have multiple ways we can learn, some of us are more visual learners, listening, practical, etc. Some people have one of them while dont practice the other types of learning, some people can learn in multiple ways.
How this apply, I am to believe that when you are doing meditation and trying to be silence, the program which you are use to learn is going to have great amount of influence (either help you or don't let you be silence). But recognizing how my brain "naturally" works helps out reaching higher states of consciousness.
Saying all this to understand that I can use hearing as a tool to be silence, but that does not mean is going to be the tool for someone else. I also believe that at a point you could use every tool in your bag to get to that state, but first you have to know the tool and how to use it.
Thanks!!