My take on IOBs is, you can start with a hypnogogic image. It doesn't matter if it really is one.
By watching them in darkness, you are in fact watching an element of a waking dream.
That compels the inorganics to take notice.
That's how second gate dreaming works. In the first gate you deliberately focus your attention on dream elements.
They like that. It means you're capable of interacting with them, since you have to be able to perceive deliberately at that level of awareness.
So they send a scout, if you didn't already have one. If you have a phantom near by, it can suddenly start to behave as if it were alive, instead of just a prop for the dream scene.
It's the same in waking dreaming.
Any hypnogogic gnome can become a real one if you keep playing with it.
The proof will come when it starts touching things and moving things, which will include you.
I very rarely get touched on my body, other than my left shoulder blade. They'll give it a little tap as they zip by, and the assemblage point moves as a result.
But I've had myself, "adjusted" by what was clearly a being with no organic body.
Once a being pulled up on my shoulder blades, when I was very deep in silence, trying to stop the world.
And several others have had something touching them in various places, almost randomly.
Having the green goo stuck to your hand and be "directional" so soon is a little surprising.
That usually takes quite a bit more usage of the dreaming double than you have at first.
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2 points2020-08-27 17:05
My purple always comes in from the upper right.
My puffs of purple always move left and down, as if there were a big fan in the room, shooting at the upper right ceiling, creating a circular breeze.
I was curious to see if that was universal, but by the time others could answer that, I was lost in the dreaming fog and no longer see that movement.
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2 points2020-08-27 19:49
Who pays attention to that???
Seems to be the ones most influenced by it?
I'll give a hint on how possibly some get downvoted.
I don't pay attention to it, and if I had to assume anything, I'd assume I'll get down voted often.
But, there are people interested in sorcery, men usually, who are more interested in the competitive side, rather than actually helping others learn it.
In C, they'd have an indirect reference to sorcery, instead of a direct one.
Never liked that part of the language.
Juan is all about [sorcery].
I'm about ![!sorcery]
Some are *[sorcery]
Or is it, [*sorcery].
Anyway, indirection sucks.
If you have an asterisk in your comments, that might be the cause of down voting.
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2 points2020-08-27 20:25
[*ok]
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1 points2020-08-27 21:49
Mine always go upwards !! They appear from any direction, and then up...
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u/danl999
4 points2020-08-27 22:30
Good to know!
But WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????
I suppose women don't obsess over such things, but I do.
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3 points2020-08-27 17:38
Someone thought they might have found that poster of "the wall". They gave me this link:
I didn't see it, but it had an interesting quote by Taisha, which to me sums up the current situation in cleargreen:
"Whenever we have a THOUGHT, our energy moves in the direction of that thought."
It's true, but not very useful paired down to that blurb.
In darkroom gazing, you learn how vague that comment is, compared to actually doing something right now, to make progress.
Because if you shut off your thoughts, you get physical manifestations of energy.
That Taisha quote is book deal material!
I suppose, Cleargreen extracted that from a longer lecture which put it into context, and decided that's what would be useful to display, along with a picture of a pond, with ripples on it.
Cleargreen takes something which was probably wise and useful, and chops it up for book deal material.
They extract any practical value it might have had, and dump that into the computer trash bin.
Those quotes all along the edge won't help anyone at all, but it will trick them into thinking they're making progress, because they can keep repeating that to themselves.
Go look at that page, and the pictures of happy smiling people.
They want you to picture yourself as a happy smiling person, mixing and visiting with the celebrities of Cleargreen.
They are SO lost.
Cleargreen no longer carries the mood of Carlos Castaneda.
But it's all we have. That's the teaching arm.
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3 points2020-08-27 19:02
That poster can't be hard to get!
Surely Cleargreen still has it.
But maybe it's "forbidden technology"?
Is that possible?
Are they so backward they can't take one look at that poster, and realize they need to put it up on their main webpage?
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It's greedy to have ads on your site while simultaneously charging 2k for 5 day retreats 😅 well now days everything is about how much $$$ you can possibly extract from anything you are doing
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My take on IOBs is, you can start with a hypnogogic image. It doesn't matter if it really is one.
By watching them in darkness, you are in fact watching an element of a waking dream.
That compels the inorganics to take notice.
That's how second gate dreaming works. In the first gate you deliberately focus your attention on dream elements.
They like that. It means you're capable of interacting with them, since you have to be able to perceive deliberately at that level of awareness.
So they send a scout, if you didn't already have one. If you have a phantom near by, it can suddenly start to behave as if it were alive, instead of just a prop for the dream scene.
It's the same in waking dreaming.
Any hypnogogic gnome can become a real one if you keep playing with it.
The proof will come when it starts touching things and moving things, which will include you.
I very rarely get touched on my body, other than my left shoulder blade. They'll give it a little tap as they zip by, and the assemblage point moves as a result.
But I've had myself, "adjusted" by what was clearly a being with no organic body.
Once a being pulled up on my shoulder blades, when I was very deep in silence, trying to stop the world.
And several others have had something touching them in various places, almost randomly.
Having the green goo stuck to your hand and be "directional" so soon is a little surprising.
That usually takes quite a bit more usage of the dreaming double than you have at first.
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My purple always comes in from the upper right.
My puffs of purple always move left and down, as if there were a big fan in the room, shooting at the upper right ceiling, creating a circular breeze.
I was curious to see if that was universal, but by the time others could answer that, I was lost in the dreaming fog and no longer see that movement.
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[deleted]
Who pays attention to that???
Seems to be the ones most influenced by it?
I'll give a hint on how possibly some get downvoted.
I don't pay attention to it, and if I had to assume anything, I'd assume I'll get down voted often.
But, there are people interested in sorcery, men usually, who are more interested in the competitive side, rather than actually helping others learn it.
In C, they'd have an indirect reference to sorcery, instead of a direct one.
Never liked that part of the language.
Juan is all about [sorcery].
I'm about ![!sorcery]
Some are *[sorcery]
Or is it, [*sorcery].
Anyway, indirection sucks.
If you have an asterisk in your comments, that might be the cause of down voting.
[deleted]
[*ok]
[deleted]
Mine always go upwards !! They appear from any direction, and then up...
[deleted]
Good to know!
But WHY???????????????????????????????????????????????????
I suppose women don't obsess over such things, but I do.
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Someone thought they might have found that poster of "the wall". They gave me this link:
http://www.findglocal.com/US/Culver-City/166719753404960/Cleargreen%2C-Incorporated
I didn't see it, but it had an interesting quote by Taisha, which to me sums up the current situation in cleargreen:
"Whenever we have a THOUGHT, our energy moves in the direction of that thought."
It's true, but not very useful paired down to that blurb.
In darkroom gazing, you learn how vague that comment is, compared to actually doing something right now, to make progress.
Because if you shut off your thoughts, you get physical manifestations of energy.
That Taisha quote is book deal material!
I suppose, Cleargreen extracted that from a longer lecture which put it into context, and decided that's what would be useful to display, along with a picture of a pond, with ripples on it.
Cleargreen takes something which was probably wise and useful, and chops it up for book deal material.
They extract any practical value it might have had, and dump that into the computer trash bin.
Those quotes all along the edge won't help anyone at all, but it will trick them into thinking they're making progress, because they can keep repeating that to themselves.
Go look at that page, and the pictures of happy smiling people.
They want you to picture yourself as a happy smiling person, mixing and visiting with the celebrities of Cleargreen.
They are SO lost.
Cleargreen no longer carries the mood of Carlos Castaneda.
But it's all we have. That's the teaching arm.
[deleted]
That poster can't be hard to get!
Surely Cleargreen still has it.
But maybe it's "forbidden technology"?
Is that possible?
Are they so backward they can't take one look at that poster, and realize they need to put it up on their main webpage?
[deleted]
It's greedy to have ads on your site while simultaneously charging 2k for 5 day retreats 😅 well now days everything is about how much $$$ you can possibly extract from anything you are doing
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