Gazing to the sky
Have you ever felt how the sky catches you when looking at it?
I suspect that this attraction is due to more factors than its beauty. And one of them is our ancestors, who looked at it for hours and hours, daily.
Once upon a time, there was no television, but movies were still shown every day, after sunset, on the sky channel. "Come on, it's starting!" they all said. It was important that everyone bring their own ticket; if not, they could not enjoy the show. The ticket was the inner silence.
And they spent hours gazing. Maybe they watched hunting movies; or they watched documentaries of gods. Then artists drew it on stone walls. And they made stories about it.
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Yesterday I lay down on the grass; the night was warm. I had no intention of seeking second attention, but tried to force silence. And a movie began to be shown there; a detailed one. Sometimes it expanded like a tunnel that looked like it was going to trap me. Sometimes abstract things, and sometimes familiar forms as well.
The IOBs looked different; neon green. And they moved through the clouds, as if they were in their natural habitat.
The dark room is our best tool now. Our purpose is to return magic to the world, and that is why we need this inventory. At least now, that we are starting.
But dont forget that the Intent of the old sorcerers is there as well; and maybe stronger. In the sky, the fire, the caves, mountains... Catch it, and move your assemblage point!
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Yeah! Fairy must have felt like this song
>Maybe they watched hunting movies; or they watched documentaries of gods. Then artists drew it on stone walls.
You have to be right about that!
Up until recently, everyone thought that sort of ability to use the second attention was difficult.
But it seems, it's EASY!
You just have to be silent long enough to move the assemblage point.
Thank Fairy for that one. I only realized it lately. She gave us that technique.
It's not quite Zuleica's technique, because of the modification to gaze at the colors and play with them, not just find them.
That modification is from Unbending Intent Long Form.
But Fairy is the one who flew around for days and days, showing me where to scoop.
She had a plan!
I had mine, but it wasn't nearly as good.
I tried to teach her to be a pretty little fairy, instead of a scary demon.
I was hoping to share her with others interested in Castaneda.
So I could use her to move their assemblage point.
When it moves far enough, all doubts are gone. You realize sorcery is simple! It's our natural state.
Fairy went along with the gag, letting me turn her into zombie Tinkerbell.
Then into the Cheshire Cat.
And then into a pumpkin so I could toss her at the assemblage point on people, hoping to dent it like the Nagual's blow.
Fairy allowed all that, but while I was "teaching her", she taught me how anyone can move the assemblage point all the way to heightened awareness, by themselves.
Then, she taught me how to share her without having to leave my home.
It's all Fairy at this point.
She's made it obvious, viewing energy on a horizon, the main point of Carlos' last writings, is not difficult at all.
So of course the ancients would watch movies at night, in the sky!
It's just too crazy for historians to have proposed.
Up until now.
I like your list which includes the inside of caves.
But don't forget another one!
In moving shadows.
Like, a palm tree casting shadows on the pavement, while blowing gently in the wind.
It's not a "blank canvas" like the sky or the inside of a large cave.
But the weird movement of the shadows will select the movie you end up watching. And if you are too dazzled by daylight to be silent, the "gazing" aspect of shadows will help.
I've run a movie or two in the sky, but I find it rather difficult to get it going.
It's easy, it's damn cool, and if that isnt enough, it feels amazing.
Maybe that's why we love watching TV or our cell phones so much now. It's like being immersed in watching those movies. Of course, without making the effort to force silence; for the lazy. But paying with eternal suffering.
> But don't forget another one!
>In moving shadows.
It's next on my list of what to try! Some years ago when I was trying to apply the books, I spent a lot of time looking at shadows. I think it is mentioned in "the no-doings of Silvio Manuel". If I had known that I had to look at the damn colors!! Just that.
I keep wondering why Carlos didn't emphasize the things that work.
One theory is, he was cleaning everyone off. I've experienced in here, those interested in sorcery are quite screwed up.
A lot of real anger in there too.
So the prevailing theory is, people freak out if you give them real magic.
It's too scary for one thing.
And being basically unstable, perhaps you could even get some who became violent?
You need to "fix" them first, using recap and tensegrity.
And he just ran out of time.
But there's an alternate theory now.
He just didn't know what to emphasize.
He was forced to learn, behind his back.
For instance, he didn't even recall his visits to Zuleica, until much later.
And in fact, Zuleica's technique wouldn't have worked as well for us, without the gazing to move the assemblage point.
That's from an inorganic being.
Perhaps Carlos's task was only to make the sorcerers' knowledge accessible. And he did.
Teaching how to apply it may have exceeded him. Isn't that Carlos had less energy than a normal nagual?
For people to start applying it, you had to wait a little longer. 22 years? It was a long time for you. But how much is that in the life of an inorganic being? One or two lashes?
You were worried about losing it. Perhaps this has been repeated before, a long time ago. The end of a lineage, and the dispersion of knowledge.
For instance, in the life of the earth, there are many climatic phenomena that are recurrent, but that have such long cycles that humans have no records. So they look new to us. But it is something cyclical and natural.
And someone was asking why Carol Tiggs didn't fix the situation with Cleargreen being so impotent.
Externally impotent I should clarify.
Internally we have no idea. Maybe they're recap experts, which is the main thing needed to escape the Eagle.
But externally, it's clear they're a laughing stock.
Except with the endless flow of new people. Those have no idea. They're still hopeful.
And it's an acceptable level of magic, with greedy "me-too" sorcery school creators.
With them, it's just the right level of magic. None.
No magic lets the pretend sorcery schools make up mental masturbations they can offer as "techniques".
For cash. Just sign the NDA first. And feel free to sample the free stuff on the website. Most of which is probably sales literature.
With no Cleargreen examples of what real magic looks like, who'd know the difference?
Not even them apparently. When the fake sorcery "teachers" pass through here, they always ignore the amazing stuff.
No comment...
It's not actually why they come here and chat.
They're here to recruit customers while pretending to be helpful members of the community.
Aside from those who don't care, it's still a good question.
Why doesn't Carol help Cleargreen learn the more fun stuff?
The kind of thing that is in the books, and got us all hooked in the first place?
That's why we're here! Not for Reni's sainthood.
If you think about Carol Tiggs as if what we've heard was really true, it's different than if you fantasize about it.
Fantasizing gives you the idea it has to be perfect and fitting. Poetic even.
Carlos fell prey to that. If he even sneezed, someone's feelings were hurt.
I can't imagine the disappointment if he farted!
In reality, if you merged with an 8000 year old guy who was trapped and fending for himself for so long, you'd probably feel more like getting out of here with as little trouble as possible.
And the death defier certainly isn't worried about sorcery knowledge being lost.
If Cleargreen people are recapping well, I suppose there's no worry for them either. They'll follow along.
But the rest of you are screwed.
Abandoned.
An interesting perspective! I have never evaluated it from this point of view. You could be right.
Well, there were rumors that Renata is not planning to stay here for long. But who knows what they are really up to. Sound like you still have some "money in them". And it could also be true. Maybe she has some knowledge, but does not care much about the external practitioners, just giving them what they want.
Well.. Depressive but reasonable. Not everyone, let's hope.
I was looking at Bruce Wagner's wiki page and he was mentioning some yoga guru he likes.
So cross Bruce off as believing Carlos was real.
I've also been running around facebook poking people who get reffered to me by the computer, and list cleargreen somewhere in their social history.
It's depressing.
None from the inner circle believe anymore. At all.
They won't say that however, because they get a little fame for having been part.
If I press them to come check it out and see what's happening, they say stuff like, "See you in your dreams".
What the hell??
Are they pretending to be a dreamer? Or making a social commentary such as "dream on"?
It's amazing how everyone piled on Carlos.
As best I can figure, it was because he had the real thing.
Not because he didn't.
The fake shaman teachers and healers don't like the real thing, because it's bad for business.
So of course, everyone trashed Carlos.
Even former students who had greedy motivations to become some kind of junior sorcerer guru.
Like Felix.
No, I don't have any money in them, but that's the intent Carlos set up.
Cleargreen.
And no one can replace that.
Maybe she doesn't believe that. Or, can't fix it. What do you think?
Why do you suppose Carol doesn't write or speak of her own experiences?
Do you know what technique was most recently shown at a Cleargreen workshop by Carol herself? If so, what do you think of that method? (If you don't know what it was, I can tell you.)
LOL. But Carlos told our class that he didn't fart. And when he said that, I happened to notice Kylie rolling her eyes as if even she thought it was absurd.
Carlos had bigger problems. Do you recall him telling us he was diabetic? And how he blamed it on inorganics? Yes, I did find that disappointing.
Then why do you suppose she stays here at all? (If she barely helps Cleargreen and seldom presents anything new of her own.)
Recap is an individual matter, so who knows. If you're concerned about what Cleargreen & Carol do wrt Carlos's reputation, why don't you talk to them about it? They're in Culver City. Or do you think they'd blow you off?
Carlos kept everyone segregated. In little "clicks".
I can see now that it was a very good thing.
I was invited into that particular "click", but turned it down.
So I got Cholita.
Cholita said Carol was the least likely to be interested in helping her learn.
She went a little further than that. But Cholita holds grudges.
If you asked her today, she'd claim I was a computer program created by the free masons.
She has! I've read notes about her lectures in here.
Here's the deal...
Sorcery seems rather orderly if you read my writings.
I've fallen victim to the second enemy of a man of knowledge.
Clarity.
I suspect Carol is past that. Most of her experiences would probably be too bizarre to talk about.
I remember that day!
So you're the first private class person to come here?
Maybe. I wouldn't pay attention to something like that.
He blamed it on Little smoke???
I'm going to have to ask her about that, if she ever returns.
Were you there the day he left them to us?
It's the rule! The nagual woman remains behind to help the rest catch up with their leader.
That's probably why the others are staying out of it.
Carlos did his thing. He summoned intent.
They don't want to disturb that.
Break it, you bought it.
They don't want to own it.
Why don't I bother cleargreen?
Carlos built an energetic wall between us.
Cholita can cross, I cannot.
If you want another mentally-ill semi-homeless witch who had a brief run-in with Cleargreen and is also volatile and dangerous, I might be able to get you another one. Do you want another one? :)
(If you do, I'd have to figure how to set it up without getting close to her, because I don't want a thing to do with her. LOL.)
Well, my understanding is that Carol appeared at only one workshop in the last 20 years. (Her only lecture.) Unless that's wrong?
Again, in 20 years Carol presented only one method in public. And I'm still curious to know what you think of it? (If I'm wrong, correct me.)
I don't know. Am I?
He said "the inorganic beings had pulled on a sugar strand", and he had been unable to "jump grooves".
In the book "Witnesses of the Nagual", Edgar Delgado reports Carlos said the same thing in response to a woman at a workshop who asked how he was doing? Amy wrote of his diabetes too, and mentions how he told the Sunday class about that (Sorcerer's Apprentice, Chapter 29).
I don't think so, because I didn't know that.
I'm afraid you have it backwards. First of all, Big Florinda wasn't a nagual woman. More important, that's not what "the rule" says. Eagle's Gift:
"In order to make sure that the first Nagual man would lead his party
to freedom and not deviate from that path or become corrupted, the
Eagle took the Nagual woman to the other world to serve as a beacon,
guiding the party to the opening."
If they followed "the rule", Carol would leave and remain in "the other world".
Oh. Okay, if you say so.
Not right now, but maybe later.
Do you know the name she went by in classes?
Cholita is Margarete's little friend. The angry little mexican girl.
Carlos imported her from the peyote fields via Margarete, at who's house she lived.
Lured her in with a side business he had.
She does REAL MAGIC in front of my face.
Breaking laws of physics stuff.
But she's completely insane. And dangerous. She's beat me up a few times.
I believe there are notes from multiple workshops here, at least 2 of which are in the last 10 years.
Good to know.
Carlos told us not to read his books anymore, and I obeyed.
So I have to rely on others now, or get asked a very specific question I can use to search in them (there's a pdf).
It's surprising how often people tell me something is in the books, but then it turns out it's not.
Some of that is due to people from class, saying things on the net. Others from me-too naguals.
Try the darkness gazing technique, learn to manipulate intent, and then you'll understand why when you can visibly manifest any object.
Carlos created multiple "factions".
I suppose don Juan did also?
The ones Carlos created just didn't seem to hold together very well after he died.
I've had little smoke pushing me around since 2 weeks after he left them to us. Makes periodic frightening house calls, to point me in a new direction.
I kind of stuck with it because of her.
She's visiting students from here these days.
I don't think she was in private classes. I won't say her name in public, and may not be able to get her to go to you anyway.
Here's the thing, Dan. I came over here to see what the heck you're doing when I heard you were writing extensively again from a "believer" perspective.
As I see it, you and I are on opposite sides of a fine line. The issues are by no means simple.
That "line" could be described by first noting that we have both experienced a lot connected with all this. You now seem pretty sure the teachings are all valid, and believe your many experiences are not just happening in your own mind - yet I don't think you're absolutely sure. Similarly, I am pretty sure the teachings are mostly unreal and that all of my many related experiences did indeed happen only in my own mind - but I'm not absolutely sure either.
I know you're serious about your decision and realize it means a great deal to you. My decision means a lot to me too.
I intend to listen - I'm not here to coerce you back into the safe social order (much of which is full of sh*t whatever Carlos did or didn't do). But it's very hard to believe you think you're "breaking laws of physics".
You say Cholita moves objects with intent, like plates on tables. I doubt it and think such claims display a strong tendency to jump to conclusions without strong evidence.
One night in 1982, I made chili for two young girls, gave them each a bowl, and the 2 1/2 year old's bowl started sliding across the table by itself as the 5-year-old watched in amazement. Mischievously, I asked the little girl, "did you cause that?" She solemnly nodded yes. Human beings dearly want magic to be real.
I found links on this fairly common occurrence in 5 minutes:
Glass sliding,
Can sliding
Physics board.
So I think your Cholita stories are very weak evidence for "violating causation". I have to wonder if you've been accepting similarly weak evidence for other conclusions you draw.
You're right about one thing, though. For Carlos's tales to be real, it is necessary for the violation of causation to exist. The "line" here: you believe it's possible under special conditions, and I believe it has not been done by the people who claim otherwise.
But if you're actually doing important things, I want to know. I'm not interested in covering up truth. I want it, even if I can't handle it. :)
We should talk about that next. It's a very complex topic.
I don't care much about factions. I care more about cogent arguments and things that work. I have noticed how people who want to believe in Carlos bend over backwards to find any possible way the chaos he generated can seem purposeful. I've also observed that this phenomenon exists in most cults. It is common as dirt to rationalize anything the cult leader does or says.
Just so you're not using "little smoke" to explain anything that happens around you that isn't easily explained. Like... if the smoke alarms go off for no reason, or there are knocking sounds you can't identify. But I've already read many of your stories. I see you've had lots of experiences. It's really quite interesting how far you've taken it all.
What that looks like from my perspective is that you talked about your fairy over and over first, then suggested others might experience it too.
One of my own related findings - hard to overemphasize - is that in dreaming states one's expectations can indeed create things that seem perfectly real. But are they?
It kind of seems like you're making up things in your head, to accuse me of doing that.
There aren't people out there, confusing themselves into doing this.
It just doesn't exist.
So the idea that people can make themselves see anything, is simply untrue!
But it sure would be cool if they could!
Even that alone would be worth learning.
Wouldn't it?
Sign me up for that workshop.
In fact, this is damned hard.
To do it, you have to learn to be silent.
Even meditators never get around to that.
Here's what's really happening.
This is just what I'm saying.
And you gave up, for no reason.
Like everyone else.
Including Cleargreen, who seems not to believe anymore either.
Nothing new ever comes from any of the cleargreens, or Miles.
How can that be?
If what you're claiming is true, that you can trick yourself into doing magic, why aren't they doing that also?
Because you can't. It takes work.
I don't think Dan you should persuade non believers. Its more like putting smth on the table and let people take it if they want. stubborn in their stupidity people will remain the same. don't waste your energy on them because people who wants to learn smth need it more.
I'm not sure where you are thinking about, but I rarely get whoever is talking to me, to come over here.
However, others read it, realize in that argument I make more sense, and come here.
We got one very talented person that way, recently.
It's a little like going into a crowded park, and arguing with the Snow Cone vendor, that the donuts on the other end of the park are much better than stupid snow cones.
The more heated the argument, the more people nearby will be thinking, "Donuts are over there????"
Great analogy! But now I want an actual donut 🍩...
In my opinion, you're teaching such a workshop here.
Speaking of workshops, to my knowledge, the only actual techniques taught by Carol Tiggs in the last 20+ years (two techniques) were at the 2015 Sochi workshop.
In preparation for her Nagualic debut (after 17 years out of the public eye), Carol attended and completed a Heather Lyle's Vocal Yoga Teacher's Training Course in August 2015. In that course they teach straw breathing exercises:
"Heather Lyle's Vocal Yoga Method® Level 1 teacher certification program \. tuning fork exercises, **straw exercises**, tube exercises"
https://vocalyoga.com/
Carol Tiggs did teach Sochi workshop participants a "straw exercise". Straw phonation is a "semi-occluded vocal tract exercise" that Carol, as a certified Vocal instructor, had recently learned to perform and teach. How do we know? Tiggs' name was found in the list of 2015 certified instructors.
https://vocalyoga.com/teachers/
(Her name is still there in that list)
Carol also claimed at the Sochi workshop that the straw exercise she taught was the first technique don Juan Matus ever taught her.
Now really Dan, do you think that helps rehabilitate Carlos's reputation?
The other technique Tiggs taught at that workshop was a Tensegrity move that purports to allow a person to 'levitate'. Have you learned to levitate yet, Dan?
I'm not saying it's easy to learn to do the things you're doing. I realize that your level of skill requires a great deal of effort. As a fellow dreamer, I find your level of mastery impressive. Nevertheless I don't think you're really doing what you believe you are.
Well, that was the "nagual woman who merged with the death defier" live in Sochi! That's what she did. How can her don Juan stories be true?
Carol was born in November 1947. Carlos claimed Carol first met don Juan very soon after don Juan met him (Summer 1960). But Carol was 12 years old then. An elaborate story is told in Eagle's Gift about how Carol worked in an Arizona government office don Juan came into and don Juan supposedly tricked her into coming to visit him.
At the Sochi workshop, Carol told a **different** story of her first meeting don Juan in an art gallery while looking at paintings, and learning the straw technique after agreeing to sit in a cafe with him.
But remember, years before, at a Colorado workshop in 1995 Carol told yet another different story of how she met don Juan, where supposedly Carlos chased her down in the street and don Juan let out an enormous belch.
http://www.sustainedaction.org/Chronologies/chronTiggsIV.htm
So there are 3 quite different stories of how Carol met don Juan. Wtf?
You claim all the pragmatic techniques work, when clearly most of the "tales" are lies.
How can that be?
It does take far more work to do what you're doing. As I said before, that will be a long and complex discussion. If I stick with this conversation, we'll get there.
Hi saying, I'm Dad👨
So you're going to stop this menace all by yourself?
I knew it! When you said you heard from others that I was talking as if Carlos were not a fake, I got a picture in my mind of you marching down the street to the nearest computer, to "put a stop to this madness!".
Seems I was right.
You're doing a great service in here, thanks!
I feel a little bad.
You have no idea what's going on here, and how many people are watching you, wondering if it's really true.
I've been telling people, it's the strangest thing!
But you CANNOT get old private class members to come back and try.
It's hard to believe, because it's so universal.
They won't even come here and reminisce for us!
All the work Carlos put into teaching them daily, all the valuable lecture knowledge they have, and all they do now is condemn him.
Some Russians will be happy to hear that.
They're a little more competitive, and would like to hear that having been in private classes is a negative, not a plus.
But don Juan told us this was so. People who give up join the ranks of the petty tyrants forever.
In his books, even Carlos found that hard to believe.
Me too.
But now we know, it's true! You helped us verify another seemingly impossible thing from the books!
Frankly, I found that harder to believe than inorganic beings. Those are present in all systems.
This will be saved on servers for a very long time. It's already been copied to 2 distant locations.
The Castaneda community is starving for actual magic.
Some will pick over what's in here, to make a profit. They'll change it to hide the source.
Remove reddit mentions, and the user names.
Which is fine by me, as long as they charge money for something that actually works.
They'll probably give you a different name, like "Bob the Avenger!"
But the main thing is, now they have magic that works, with easy to follow instructions and pictures.
And PROVEN to work in here by multiple people.
More each week.
You'll be the guy who joined the petty tyrants, and then came back to try to destroy anyone who didn't give it up.
But why don't you just try it and find out everything works as stated?
In great detail!
You'll save yourself a lot of time.
You could become "Bob the Repentant" in the history books.
I honestly think the people learning waking dreaming in here will overrun the entire Castaneda world soon.
Even the me-too Naguals will be forced to change their ways.
Maybe you'll be stuck out there somewhere, hearing constant rumors on social media and cursing the gods with each new Castaneda success story.
I'd argue on the details with you, but you seem profoundly unknowledgeable about meditation.
Which means, I have no idea who you are from private classes.
Most were a lot better informed about meditation.
I'd guess, someone associated with sustained action.
As for Carol's tales, I have the same issue myself.
I likely met Carlos at 9, 12, 18, 20ish, and probably elsewhere.
It's just because we live in the same area, and have similar interests.
If someone I didn't know asked me when I met him, and I didn't feel like going into a long story, I'd probably say in 1994.
But if someone else asked, eager to know more details about the life of Carlos, I'd say 1968. Morongo.
My dad probably even knew Joanie.
And if someone asked, are you SURE that's the earliest you met him, I'd have to say no.
I might have met him in 1965 at Tukelota. Except I was only 9 so I wasn't paying attention to adults. I was looking for genuine Indian arrowheads!
Which I had to put back, and apologize to the Anthropologists for disturbing them.
I have a picture from the Press Enterprise Newspaper of that year. All of us standing near the dig site, with a story on what they were trying to learn there, about the Indians in the area.
I have a memory of a creepy man who was also there, from UCLA.
Accounts varying like you mentioned for Carol's stories, are the sign of someone who isn't worried about "gotchas!"
Liars are careful about that sort of thing.
Ask the police. An account that never varies is more likely to be made up.
On the other hand, Carlos might have picked up Carol and added her to the myth.
I've long suspected the witches were "add-ons".
I'd have to be around them to figure that out.
Cholita believes (I hate to say it), that Carol was on the periphery. And Carlos and her didn't like each other.
Lord knows, Cholita despises me.
But we're stuck together by intent.
Of course not. :) It's kind of like Covfefe-19, 6 million cases and rising. LOL.
Don't feel bad. I have computers at home and what I'm doing is subtler than that little rationalization of yours ("anyone who disagrees is a petty tyrant hell bent on stopping us").
I haven't said I was unwilling to "try".
I have nothing against reminiscing.
I'm not even condemning him, exactly. I do want to be heard. You don't seem able to listen so far.
People said that for years, anyway. You and I just disagree on the reason it's mostly true, which is just that if you're far removed you can keep anything you please and toss the rest, with no strife.
I thought about applying to be an official petty tyrant of the site. They're valuable to have, right? I decided not to.
Wowser! That's amazing "knowledge" you've got there. Do you recall this adage from Carlos? "The mind proposes and the mind accepts." It cuts both ways.
Whatever happens, I won't browbeat you half to death. If you're doing important things, I WANT you to succeed. I just don't think so. If I tell you the tale as I see it and you think it's chicken sh*t, I'll wish you well and give it up.
So far, though, your story is: I give up and join the petty tyrants for life. I could say: you keep going and join the duped believers for life. But those are both indulgences. We don't have to insult each other. We each get to live however we choose.
I see. Ideas present in all systems are likely to be true. Nope. That's just bad reasoning.
There are good reasons. Not the ones you think.
Flatter yourself much? You may be right about it, though.
C'mon, you already have a Bob.
That's what you're saying, it must be true. PROVEN! :) Before we've even had our dialog.
I guess it could happen. More likely, I'll be "John the Paradoxical", who shows how it can all "work" and yet still not be real.
You sure seem invested in this outcome. Since you state it that way, what incredible accomplishments are we talking about? Is anyone in "society" likely to even notice?
If you really don't know who I am, then you're displaying what I consider an almost remarkable ability to avoid listening to anyone but yourself.
That's curious. Why do you think I'm ill-informed on meditation?
I'm a little worried now that you "guess" a great deal. That habit can get a person into many weird places.
Where? I met him in 1995 at the 3-week workshop in Culver City.
I am eager to know more about that, actually. But see, you have me wondering if you're... guessing?
Probably, huh? I really wish we could talk with Joanie. And Harry.
Now I'm pretty sure you are guessing. Making your own "Taisha story". Now here's another principle of mine: people make things fit.
LOL. "Accounts varying" are the matters that fraud investigations and court cases turn on. I'm sorry to see you trying to rationalize that.
Dear lord. Accounts that vary to extremes indicate serious mistakes at best and more often intentional deception. I'll admit I was hoping for better from you. Do you recall the "one-way bridge from reason to silent knowledge" called "pure understanding"? :) If you hold onto knee-jerk rationalizations you'll never find it.
Then you suspect the same as I do on that topic.
Supposing that is true... would you then also rationalize all that implies as being perfectly fine - all these "add-ons to the myth"? If it "works" as you say, why so much deceptive baggage guaranteed to turn people off?
And go a little further. If all that was "add-ons", then how much of the rest was "add-ons" too? Further still... was nearly all of it "add-ons"?
I think Cholita is right. But I'd like to hear Carol tell what she really knows, anyway. I don't think she will. She'll turn 73 this year. I'll be 65 soon. Dan, we're old geezers who semi-wasted our lives on these elaborate and deceptive works of art. But there are worse fates.
Wow.
You wouldn't be associated with Sustained Action would you?
Someone snooped around for me, and wanted to know who that Jeremy guy was.
Writing in here for more than a year, and dealing with hot shot inventory experts who blow through every couple of weeks, I had finally learned rule #1.
Anyone who comes in here and doesn't say, "Holy Shit, you really have it working?" is infected with the "book deal mind".
It means their internal dialogue depends on some fantasy of how they stand in the world, in the eyes of other people.
And Castaneda's sorcery working for other people, messes with their self-image.
They "lose face", to quote the Chinese.
The last book deal mind in here had decided that Carlos went bad (he'd been listening to Felix), and so he was going to put together his own "system", based on the teachings of don Juan, and Chinese sage writings.
He didn't bother to learn any actual sorcery. He just wanted to be known for that.
He was a 50% "reverse book deal".
Dump Carlos, follow him.
It's a variety! Most are 100% book deal, claiming to be the first to have figured it all out.
Or to be sent by Carlos on a secret mission.
Felix is doing the same trip. Carlos went bad, he's cyclic with Reni, so why not follow his teachings?
He's even touring in Russia, badmouthing Carlos.
But it never occurred to me a 100% reverse book deal person could exist!
Haven't seen it yet.
I suppose I have now, assuming you have anti-Carlos writings on the web and we're making you nervous in here.
What sort of fame is there in being the guy who took down Carlos?
You're refusing to fully engage in a genuine dialog. Disappointing.
Maybe it's too time-consuming anyway.
I came here to talk in the midst of believer-practitioners as a gesture, even harboring curiosity. But I'm not attached to that plan and can simply hold forth, same as you.
How could I be after "fame" when I used an alias and not even you know me? Again you have acted like I should really worry about reputation. You sweat Carlos's too. F*ck reputation. That was only your choice of how to attack.
I don't follow anyone and don't want anyone to follow me. You said you "obey" Carlos. Dang, that's a hard row to hoe. :)
Your literal stance: anyone who doesn't immediately say "wow, you have it working" is . I hate to say it, but that's cult-like. In spite of how your own position was skeptical for years. You've done a double-back flip. (Believer - Skeptic - Believer.)
Is it too late to flip again? :) Maybe. It is getting late.
Fine. Lines drawn (mainly by you). Truth is much more than "self-image" so let's not focus any more attention on identities, reputations, or fame.
Are you open to comment on the sexual orientation of the private classes?
Masculine random-jumps require making difficult decision, leaving less time and resources for explanations, resulting in hand-wavy rationalizations, often wrong but sometimes easily fixed at a later time. The effect of exploring the unlnown is the benefit, and error in "trial-and-error" is an expected outcome alobg the way.
Feminine drive to find the correct direction without taking risks results in an orderly scan of irregularitues and reversion to status quo. As no effort is spent on following an unproven random exploratory direction, there is ample time and resources to add a double layer of status quo paint. Like a billionaire waiting to hear of for novel experiences to try and getting tired of them after the first minute, lacking persistence (and being pulled back by the fear of neglecting the other possibilities) to dive deeper into any specific one.
Female blindly following male and providing the trial-and-error error correction is what gives male extra support to venture farther forward.
Male homosexuality may provide more internal resources for persistence and would be less limited in exploratory range than undirected female. Perhaps CC hoped for such members to be able to explore far enough on their own to pull the rest when he wasn't around to lead.
And regarding darkness techniques, why not try them with full obsessive effort for 2 weeks as a sort of Daniel Ingram style "silence/darkness retreat", even if only for entertainment value, regardless of if it might actually happen to work? Politics will still be there when you are back. People spend more time on worse pursuits.
It is seen that you have not taken the trouble to check it yourself, or that you have not put the effort in the right place.
For many here, who are working hard on a daily basis, and are constantly experiencing unusual things, that idea no longer has a place.
In fact the other way around: instead of using Carlos's books to satisfy our fantasies, we have to use them as maps, to explain everything that happens to us. You see the difference? Something crazy happens to you at night, and then you find it in one of the books, and you even find how to take advantage of it.
> in dreaming states one's expectations can indeed create things that seem perfectly real. But are they?
I could say yes when we talk about sleeping dreaming. But when you see it with your own eyes opened, standing, that no longer makes sense. If there are similarities, it is because we all have the same body, and an assemblage point.
In fact, it has happened to us countless times that we experience the same things separately, before we talk about it.