I can do that daily
It works, because it is a good combination between second attention and inner silence.
At first you won't have much control over it. You will have some interesting nights, and others very boring.
I've been practicing for a while now (not long), and I tell you that I can move my assemblage point. Not the complete J curve yet. But every time I can go further, and more controlled.
Exactly the main point of sorcery is moving the assemblage point.
What I mean by this is that IT IS WORKING. We are already about 8 according to Dan; 8 waking dreamers.
I know, you were always interested in Carlos's books. They are very amazing. What are you waiting for to put it into practice?
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Yep, ears ringing...
Common.
My guess?
Just like we interfere with our breathing, due to our angry internal dialogue, we mess up other body functions.
It's like this. You think, "God damn that guy! How could he cheat me out of $100?"
From 40 years ago...
Your tongue twists out of shape, to form the angry words.
You feel like clinching your fists, to prepare to give him what he deserves.
Your angry first attention thoughts go into your massive computer brain, and it does what it always does.
Prepares to follow orders.
And since you're about to leap at him and kill, the breathing is hindered.
You actually have to control each breath, because you've put your body into "manual mode".
I don't know what effect that has on the sinuses, but I can assure you, if you have asthma you'll notice a HUGE difference when you get to heightened awareness.
And anyone with asthma can tell you, there are some very strange remedies.
Like smelling cinnamon.
But probably the main reason the ears pop is to tell you, "Hey tired guy, you're finally getting there. Keep this up. Bliss is only minutes away!"
thanks very helpful and motivating
For example, during the exit from the body: vibration is a catalyst for separation from the body, and the hum in the ears is an indicator of the shift of perception into a new state. Just like the crack at the base of the neck. There are other effects, they are described and understood (and applied in practice).
Do you know what happens after 2-3 hours of sleep with the brain? He begins to have vivid dreams. If he is not allowed to fall asleep, the brain will begin to create micro-dreams with open eyes. And such things break the natural rhythms of the brain. This information is not for a dispute, but in order to think about it.
In the eastern block :))) working with imagination and mental images is called - managing cartoons. We consider this to be an area of mind play, and an obstacle to higher states of awareness. We define this level of practice as lucid dreaming.
Each time you put your foot in the ditch, deeper. Why I know your theories are useless? Because while playing with those lights and "micro-dreams", in what you consider the "area of mind play", I entered heightened awareness.
You can see it in my post. Lida too. And Dan does it every night.
An obstacle? "Micro-dreams"? IT IS THE SECOND ATTENTION, and IT IS THE VEHICLE to heightened awareness, and other shifts.
Fortunately there are more people practicing, and there is no chance that your bad advice will spread here.
But you've already made it clear that you don't believe in darkroom practice, when you obviously didn't even try.
I am not telling you from theory. I experienced it. It is not a barrier. Sorcerers needs the second attention.
What do you gain from making people not learn? Is that your goal?
You enter a forum where there are people who are really learning and want to teach with terrible advice.
That is clear: all you want to do here is teach. Dan was right about that.
This is manipulation. You have practice, but I have a theory. It is very convenient to speculate like that. But in fact, what I am writing is that this is a practice of dreaming that has been tested as statistics by hundreds of people (including by science).
Why are you repeating Dan's manipulative stereotype? Don't fall into self-importance :) Nobody turns anyone away from practice. I provide valuable information for understanding. You don't like? Then just don't read. And for some it will be interesting and useful (there are also such people here).
I already told you that I have no problem with you. But here we have an Intent; the same one that Carlos and the old sorcerers had.
It is very fragile, and it was about to be lost; we almost lose all sorcery knowledge: the "how" to make sorcery work.
You can contribute all the theories you want; but every time you say something stupid we will have to highlight it. Because it goes against the Intent.
If people trying to learn here trust what you say, they will lose the only valid connection; the connection that makes everything work.
Do you understand? It is not self importance. We cannot afford to allow misunderstandings.
And I already explained to you in the previous comment why what you said is wrong and counter-Intent.
I invite you to do the darkroom practice. You have to be willing to learn. And together we can check, through practice, everything the books say. And do real sorcery. I promiss you it is wonderful.
This should have been thought about 20 years ago.
Again. I'm not talking about theory, but about what is in the practice of hundreds of people. This is objective data. And no amount of "magic" will refute it. Instead of comprehending my information, you go to slander. It won't work.
Are you sure you have the right to speak on behalf of all Intent? Maybe for a start, talk about how to distinguish the illusion of the brain from the phenomena of consciousness? This is closer to real practice, not pretty words.
Friends, you have one big problem. You behave like fanatical cult members. You are not able to hear a different look. You are afraid that your illusions may be dispelled, so you defend yourself by accusing me of all sorts of nonsense.
What is the problem? You are not discussing the subject of the topic, practice, theses, etc. you are only discussing me. Why? Because your egomania wants to please you. You are real "magicians", but around are fools. Teenager syndrome :)))
The only thing that should interest you is if it works. And yes, we have it working.
If it works, its the real thing. Sorcery is practical. You just want to talk about it, even if what you say dont work.
Talk about me again. Anything about practice? See what the problem is? I'm talking about the subject of practice, you are all talking about me. You cannot go beyond discussing personality. Why? Because you are stuck at the ego level. This is how the practice is replaced by speculation, then rumors, and in the end - slander. This is exactly what happened in Sunday classes. It's still here.
The things that I wrote exist and work. It’s bad that you don’t have an answer to a simple question: how are brain illusions different from the phenomena of consciousness? Look for the real, because it's easy to get confused. Good luck!
Thanks Juan!
Two questions about dark room practice:
1) is this practice safe for beginners?
2) if yes, is it worthwhile for beginners, or hopeless because it won't work (yet)?
As Dan says, we cant tell it is completly safe. It says so in the books too. But there is also risk when you go out with the car, when you use your cell phone on the street and when you do sports. If you're concerned, we didn't have any problem reports.
It is the best practice for beginners! in fact, you don't even have to read books to learn.
Even I consider myself a beginner. It was not more than 3 months since I started. And we have several reports of people with good results: moving the assemblage point, and getting crazy experiences.
And Dan, who already has a lot of experience, does things at the level of books (this is my opinion).
You just have to find 2-4 free hours everyday. It worth it.
OK I tried for about 1,5 hours yesterday in the late evening. I saw some faint purple clouds two or three times, didn't really feel much though. What I realized is that my internal dialogue is way too noisy still. Gotta do more daytime practice!
Very good start. You realized the two important things. The colors, which are the door to the second attention. And the internal dialogue.
You have to find a way to silence the dialogue and make the second attention emerge. It can be done at will. And depending on where you focus your attention, you will discover different aspects of it. You can choose where to move the AP.