It's never been, to my knowledge, stated that clearly in any of the films at least.
Words convey intent. And history.
It's a long-standing tendency for fans of the franchise to correct people who label the Jedi as such; being uncomfortable with having their beloved fictional characters lumped in with "pure fantasy."
That hazy line between science and mysticism.
The prohibition against moving toward that polar opposite is so strong in western culture, since the enlightenment, it even puts off sci-fi fanboys!
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u/danl999
3 points2020-09-15 23:19
They did call Obi Wan a "Wizard", which is the egghead version of sorcerer.
In fact, I'd say "Man of knowledge" = wizard, not sorcerer.
Is that supposed to be Yoda?
Disney just can't resist.
If you have a Yoda, he's good for a few "baby Yoda" movies.
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u/Gnos_Yidari
1 points2020-09-16 00:43
They spend all those years, outside of the one odd reference, explicitly circling around the hot-button terms...mostly for the financial success of the franchise.
Then they whisper out of the corner of their mouths "by the way they're totally sorcerers."
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u/danl999
2 points2020-09-16 15:18
WHO THE HELL IS DOING THAT?!!!!!
Taisha and Florinda were sniffing around Hollywood way back when.
Oliver Stone owns Ixtlan Productions.
Now, without meaning anything negative, the most likely explanation for all the hollywood stuff is, "the book deal mind".
They're miniature versions of the bad men who create "pro-Castaneda" web pages, and then promote themselves with made up sorcery.
Except, they can portray it accurately, as long as they can sneak it into a movie.
I wonder if anyone was ever looking at the script, saw Yoda's dialogue, and commented, "Don Juan would never say that."
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u/sloandaddyslim
3 points2020-09-16 01:36
Forcerers
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u/wifigunslinger
1 points2020-09-16 07:58
Jedi are not sorcerers, they are fictional samurai.
Samurai however were close practitioners and warriors only on a different path.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2020-09-16 13:10
The arc of the character Anakin Skywalker parallels classic tales of redemption. He starts off as a totally sheltered and innocent child "who knows nothing of greed," becomes corrupted and disfigured by the influence of pure evil, and only resurfaces at the very end of life:
"Inside Darth Vader's chest piece, an ancient Hebraic text is inscribed. מעשיו לא יסלחו, עד שיגיע, which translates to: “His deeds will not be forgiven, until he merits.” source
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It's never been, to my knowledge, stated that clearly in any of the films at least.
Words convey intent. And history.
It's a long-standing tendency for fans of the franchise to correct people who label the Jedi as such; being uncomfortable with having their beloved fictional characters lumped in with "pure fantasy."
That hazy line between science and mysticism.
The prohibition against moving toward that polar opposite is so strong in western culture, since the enlightenment, it even puts off sci-fi fanboys!
They did call Obi Wan a "Wizard", which is the egghead version of sorcerer.
In fact, I'd say "Man of knowledge" = wizard, not sorcerer.
Is that supposed to be Yoda?
Disney just can't resist.
If you have a Yoda, he's good for a few "baby Yoda" movies.
They spend all those years, outside of the one odd reference, explicitly circling around the hot-button terms...mostly for the financial success of the franchise.
Then they whisper out of the corner of their mouths "by the way they're totally sorcerers."
WHO THE HELL IS DOING THAT?!!!!!
Taisha and Florinda were sniffing around Hollywood way back when.
Oliver Stone owns Ixtlan Productions.
Now, without meaning anything negative, the most likely explanation for all the hollywood stuff is, "the book deal mind".
They're miniature versions of the bad men who create "pro-Castaneda" web pages, and then promote themselves with made up sorcery.
Except, they can portray it accurately, as long as they can sneak it into a movie.
I wonder if anyone was ever looking at the script, saw Yoda's dialogue, and commented, "Don Juan would never say that."
Forcerers
Jedi are not sorcerers, they are fictional samurai.
Samurai however were close practitioners and warriors only on a different path.
The arc of the character Anakin Skywalker parallels classic tales of redemption. He starts off as a totally sheltered and innocent child "who knows nothing of greed," becomes corrupted and disfigured by the influence of pure evil, and only resurfaces at the very end of life:
"Inside Darth Vader's chest piece, an ancient Hebraic text is inscribed. מעשיו לא יסלחו, עד שיגיע, which translates to: “His deeds will not be forgiven, until he merits.” source
And he paid a heavy price for that brief and final reconciliation.
And here is a corroborating entry from the Carlos Castaneda Wiki Page:
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