So just as with Michail_D, there's no actual magic in your version of sorcery.
It's all about how you "feel" about things. And getting approval from Carol, Reni, or some other celebrity.
No need to do any actual work.
You can just think up a new way to feel "joy".
When you want some real experiences, you get out the shrooms.
Can't the two of you go darken some other discussion group?
Why are you in here?
Seems like you're both trying to make sure no one learns actual sorcery, because then you'd have to stop pretending.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 17:30
I practice real magic, as do you. Just sharing another aspect of this for those that sense that something is missing in their pursuit. I am a student to Carol, and a practitioner of what this tradition has offered. To suggest you are the only being that can contribute real teachings is absurd and super arrogant. I am not claiming to be a teacher, but am sharing what those that are teachers have shared with me.
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u/danl999
3 points2020-09-23 17:41
Do it somewhere else.
The simple fact is, no one would listen to you anywhere else.
In here, you can attack and make a fuss and it seems more important to you.
Just because I'm here.
Please go express your joy elsewhere?
By the way, nearly a dozen bad men have come through here.
People reading for the last year will remember.
One variety is obsessed with Carol.
It's a really obvious sign. You think you're making yourself look important, but haven't been here long enough to realize you're marking yourself as a broken person.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 17:45
I am not seeking attention. I am detached. It is hilarious that you cannot see that you are projecting your own unconsciousness onto anyone that challenges you, like a child.
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u/danl999
5 points2020-09-23 18:00
I only go after people who are giving out bad info which will harm others.
Harm others includes distracting them from trying, which is the main problem all along.
Too many distractions give endless excuses not to work.
I'm not in here for my ego, the way you are.
If you want to find my chatting, it's over on sustained action.
It was pointless.
At this point I'm only trying to salvage Carlos' reputation.
In case you didn't notice, it's in the toilet.
He assigned me this task just before he died.
He locked me up with himself in private, and told me, "I'm dying, and no one believes me."
Twice he said it, to make sure I remembered.
That was only days after he taught us the techniques I'm teaching in here.
I just put off doing something about that for too long. I expected Carol to take care of that.
But she seems to have left it to Reni.
So should we look into your connection to Carol?
I have a feeling it's more imaginary than real.
Reni is selling therapy.
You came in here trying to convince Lidotska she needed Jungian therapy.
And you deceptively implied Cleargreen was doing that. Later, when caught red handed, you admitted they were not.
You said it was just your idea.
Perhaps you told the truth the first time, and your connection to Carol, is through paid therapy with Reni?
I can go find that conversation and post it here if you like.
And look into your connection to Carol.
Or you can go away and find another place to show off.
Take Mikail with you.
You guys can form a "Carol Tiggs" subreddit!
If your ideas are good, you should have no problem.
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u/runningdownastream
0 points2020-09-23 18:06
I have nothing to hide. I have apparently struck a nerve. You are acting like the people trying to discredit CC now. I didn't retract or lie, or mislead. You can try to pick me apart all you want. Carol is not petty. This echo chamber is not balanced. I encourage people to heal, and intend sorcery into their lives, as a means to become a seer, not because of sorcery. Sorcery is a dead end street. DJ made that very clear. I know this because I was a student to sorcerers. Balance. Not extremes. Intent. Not obsession.
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u/jd198703
3 points2020-09-23 18:57
And what exactly are you sharing? Some fairy tales about "The Heart"? Is there any new information on sorcery or techniques? Or how to really progress on The Path? Only some longings and stories of "How Carol is sad"?
Dan may not be ideal person, and he is not pretending to be a great impeccable warrior, but he is gifting us his findings. Techniques crafted by thousands of sleepless hours doing recapitulation and silence, and those techniques work and leave people with "Wow" feeling.
But guys like you are just contaminating this place with nostalgic bla bla bla.
From all you wrote I see zero practical value.
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u/runningdownastream
3 points2020-09-23 19:02
My tunnel dreaming post is something that if you experience yourself will transform your dreaming exponentially. I have yet to find anyone that can follow me in the tunnel.. Please consider reading it. It is short and concise. I have a lot more where that came from. I have been attacked ever since I posted anything so I haven't had time to share other practical applications. I am a gazer. I have spent decades gazing. I use the gait of power in the wilderness. This post is not for everyone, but it is for a few.
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u/jd198703
1 points2020-09-23 19:03
I will read it.
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u/KrazyTayl
1 points2020-09-23 19:21
Will you post your other techniques?
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 19:27
I will, yes. I just posted a gazing post a few minutes ago.
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u/KrazyTayl
1 points2020-09-30 00:12
Thank you!
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 17:43
Creating an echo chamber in here would be dysfunctional. I am surprised you would try to push people out. It serves as a perfect lesson for those that are learning. You are exposing your autistic isolation of one aspect of this sorcery knowledge base. If you have not experienced direct communication with the sentient earth, than it makes sense why you would roll your eyes, and belittle joy, but to suggest to others to follow you in to the specific direction you have gravitated toward and talk shit about anyone that has discovered other aspects of this dream is insane.
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u/cyrusmagnus
4 points2020-09-23 17:44
It is always both excellent and terrible advice to give people to say "Be whole before..."
Excellent, because of course, if someone has a whole heart, as they work with IOBs, or any path of magick, they'll be ready to handle them in a more mature manner that will have less of a likelihood to blow up in their face.
Terrible, because of course, it can be giving a person the task of Sisyphus. Constantly judging whether their heart is whole enough in order to begin the real practice yet, thus never starting the real practice because who's heart is every really whole?
Excellent and terrible advice tends to cancel itself out. Once that is done you're left with what in this post? That you feel bad for people and Carol feels bad for people? Dan feels bad for people. I feel bad for people. I'm sure everyone feels bad for people.
It isn't exactly useful information, and I don't see what it has to do with Castaneda. If I were a mod on this sub, I'd have just removed this as off-topic.
Since it seems less about Castaneda and more about stirring up shit with other members on this sub as a "guru" and "good guy" kind of thing.
I'm not going to claim you have no magick like Dan. According to his litmus I probably don't have any magick either, which is fine. I'm seeking, and will always be seeking. It's one of the reasons I don't talk much in here anymore.
First, I need to empty my cup, before I can take in what is available here. That's my own impossible task. You seem to have quite a full cup, and perhaps its full of wonderful things.
So perhaps share the wonderful things, and drop the pretense of a holy man?
Just my two cents.
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 17:48
I hear you. Just sharing a sentiment that struck me as poignant, and is not for everyone to receive. Wholeness is undeniable when it is discovered though. I think it is valid and has a place amongst these discussions.
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u/cyrusmagnus
7 points2020-09-23 18:02
"just sharing" is usually a very weak argument for anything.
I could just share that I really love bananas, and perhaps someone, somewhere, would have their practice enhanced by this knowledge.
But I wouldn't try to argue it's a good reason to post in the Castaneda sub.
Again, it's a matter of sharing knowledge that could be useful, versus sharing knowledge that is useless.
If a person can't immediately act on it, it is useless knowledge.
The square root of 64 is 8. Behold the mystery of equations!
Useless.
If you put tape around the neck of a banana, it will brown slower.
Useful.
Wholeness of heart will aid in your path towards mastery of sorcery!
Useless.
Darken a room, till there's no light left in it, do the passes, and you'll be able to move your AP and gain first hand experiences of sorcery that can lead you down a path of personal revelation and growth.
Useful.
If you simply allude to something, that's useless information. The reason Dan has clout here and can slap people around like he does, is because he is a font of useful, if at times clearly boomer, wisdom and advice. He's just a person, trying his hardest, to do something that will actually change someone's life. Not give platitudes or lamentations (though he does sometimes get lost in a rant, being human).
Assuming you have magick to share, like your grave ritual which I thought was quite interesting, could you do more of that and less of posts like this? It's just a request of course. But I'd be interested in hearing more about your authentic knowledge of actual practical application when it comes to sorcery.
I'm not particularly interested in non-actionable philosophical meanderings. :D
Is that fair?
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 18:13
Absolutely. I was not aware that the how to nature of this path was the only thing of interest in here. I have a inorganic helper that works with me and tells me things, and it includes the jolts of poetic intensities that balance a warriors spirit. I find it to be just as critical as reaching the place of no pity, or any other AP shift. I am no longer in need of the passes to move my AP. I did them in a way that liberated me from them, as I was taught, and naturally discovered. I will share some more practical aspects of intent.
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u/cyrusmagnus
1 points2020-09-23 17:53
After all, we are all both holy men and not holy men. (some are holy women!)
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 17:57
I have been getting attacked for sharing anything that is different than what this echo chamber is experiencing, so I am just looking at why and what has happened in here. Not at odds with anyones approach, appreciate all feedback, and think all of us have a great deal to offer. I have been fortunate to indeed fill my cup, and it has shown me that we are all caught in the entanglement of self reflection. Shattering the mirror of self reflection is what allows us to become abstract beings. I intend that with every fiber of my being. There are many ways to do that. Doing so without having faced ourselves would lead to something very dysfunctional, and that is my point. Not a warning.. just a reality.. and therefore a liberating piece of information, in my experience and opinion.
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u/danl999
2 points2020-09-23 18:06
It's not an echo chamber.
It's intent. We need it badly because sorcery is difficult.
You keep taking a sledgehammer to intent.
I have the intent of Carlos Castaneda himself.
Many others did also, but they gave up.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 18:15
I have the intent of my teachers.. thankful for you and yours.. I am not seeking to distract. I am offering a very specific and powerful intent that has a place in this body of knowledge. I will never give up.
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u/cyrusmagnus
2 points2020-09-23 18:07
Sometimes dysfunction is more functional than the apathetic half dead zombie state many people live their daily lives in.
You've gotten to where you are in sorcery through admitted abuse by your own teachers, that is quite dysfunctional.
But it worked. Right?
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u/runningdownastream
3 points2020-09-23 18:17
Of course. And yet things are timely. These discussions are healthy. We are in a memory. This idea that we have to beat our heads against the wall is the distraction from acquiescence. The Active side of Infinity is very different than the other books. It is a critical aspect to this body of knowledge.
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u/cyrusmagnus
5 points2020-09-23 19:14
Yeah... see that's the kind of mystical bullshit that gets cut through here. I'm not asking you to leave, I'm not that type, but if you want to ignore your audience, you do so at your own existential peril, because people will either react negatively or not at all to what you're trying to give out.
I don't like bullying, and I like people ganging up on others even less, but there is such a thing as a person coming into a group of other people and trying to demand they all suddenly fit their idea of what is right, rather than trying to understand how to communicate their ideas in a way that the group can take in, in a positive and/or healthy manner.
Does that make sense?
For instance, no one gives a shit about Carol or if she's available, but you've said it half a dozen times in this post alone. It gives off a sense of tone deafness. When you say things like you've had access to many how to sorcerers, great, rather than tell us that, give us the how to methods. We don't give a shit if you've had 108 secret masters, only if what they gave you can be passed on to the rest of us and be useful.
Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but people like you that just keep saying the same things, which have no real meaning, and are just platitudes over and over, and mystical jargon and about how above things you are and how advanced you are, while simultaneously trying to present yourself as humble and meek...
It doesn't sit right. If your intent is to contribute, do that, stop playing the victim card, and get on with being the teacher you clearly want to be. Stop trying to pretend you don't want to be a teacher. Be one. I'm fine with that. One more teacher is great. And if your teachings are "blah blah mystical jargon blah" you'll have no students here.
Can you/are you interested in doing that? Or should I just go back to not responding to your posts? Because I certainly can if that's preferable for you.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 19:25
I was passing on a message. I am not attached to being liked. I am not in need of being heard. I found the sentiment that was shared with me to be poignant. I am surprised it is so violently opposed in here. Carol got to me, and showed me where I was at, and no one had ever stopped me the way she did. It was a truly transitional time and it exposed my ego and redirected my path. I appreciate your feedback. I have practical dreaming tasks to share as well. I am concerned for those that are being told they are working with the spirit of Datura in here, or some ally that is tied to that spirit and is being called Datura. That isn't true. Hard to see that kind of thing as it is so unnecessary to mislead people, intentionally or un intentionally.
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u/cyrusmagnus
2 points2020-09-23 19:38
I must have missed the Datura stuff. I was only aware of Fancy, Bob, Fairy, and Little Smoke. The IOBs that Dan talks about working with, and Juan because he had Fairy for a bit.
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 19:55
Little smoke is also not the kind of IOB helper that is being referenced in here. That is also inaccurate and misleading. If you go back and read the books, and study power plants and IOB's with multiple lineages, you discover that. I am just in the unfortunate position of being the one to point that out.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
6 points2020-09-23 18:29
If I were a mod on this sub, I'd have just removed this as off-topic.
I did remove a post from this user a few months ago, based on multiple complaints; about COVID-19 being a conspiracy and that people shouldn't wear masks.
It was a legal liability.
But everyone deserves a second chance to prove themselves, or at least to state their position.
We often learn the most from those who are, in our view, divergent.
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u/cyrusmagnus
1 points2020-09-23 18:55
Oh wow, yeah that'd be super off topic.
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u/semlem
6 points2020-09-23 17:52
i finally found a place in this subreddit where people share actual "how to sorcery" and pragmatic stuff, lets not fill it with catholic like dogma, to me this read like "if you are sinful you can't do sorcery" cause of the lack of details and non specific definition any naive reader can end up feeling they belong to the arbitrary category you created.
i would say any narrative that delays or stop people from practicing is evil cause intent loves actions not words
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 17:59
I have worked with a lot of powerful how to sorcerers. There are some things you may not know about, from not having experience outside of this version of your reality. I in no way would suggest people not embark on the path of knowledge. I am suggesting that what DJ and Carol emphasized is not to be overlooked.
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u/danl999
6 points2020-09-23 18:08
More name dropping.
All of your credentials seem to be about how you were around someone else.
People with real magic feel a sort of happiness you don't possess, and rather than being secretive or angry, they try to teach others.
With specific techniques people can try, and see if it works.
The Buddha started out like that. Daniel Ingram has a discussion of that.
He's able to do real magic also. Same variety we're doing here.
Then the Buddha's magic was buried by attention seekers and profiteers.
There's still hints of it, but not enough to do anyone any good.
People are told, "it takes several lifetimes".
Your line is, "Sorcery is about Joy. I follow Carol. You have to plug the holes in yourself. Become whole."
And Carlos remains in the trash?
They don't even have his books in bookstores anymore.
He used to have a whole shelf of them. And then a second shelf for the me-too books.
But you don't care.
You aren't whole!
There's a gigantic hole in your heart that you try to fill with bullying.
Thanks for the help from you other guys.
Trolls are a drag.
Normally you should ignore a troll.
But I can't. They harm new people.
We're trying to find 24 people with the time, and maybe a little talent so they don't need quite as much time, and lead them into heightened awareness.
That's the only place real learning takes place.
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 18:31
I have practical dreaming practices to share, and super funny stories.. but was just trying to get everyone to lighten up.. and stop taking themselves so seriously.. and spreading misinformation about Datura and little smoke. That is not helping. You are not whole otherwise you wouldn't be talking shit about Carol or Reni. Reni is holding others back, but that is not a judgement, just a fact. Carol is alone in that no one can face themselves enough to shatter the mirror of self reflection. That is obvious. I would never trash CC and I thank him every day.
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u/runningdownastream
0 points2020-09-23 18:32
We all have holes in our consciousness, even Carol, and she admits this. Can you?
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u/danl999
5 points2020-09-23 18:42
I don't care about silly stuff like that.
You can do real magic as you are. You don't have to change anything.
We aren't after sainthood here!
Except that internal dialogue. That has to go. You need that change.
But according to you, you should plug the holes in your consciousness, before you actually do anything.
And for that, you have to go to Carol? Is that how it works?
Or take Jungian Shadow therapy?
How many years of therapy do you need, before you can learn real visible magic?
Or you do Tensegrity for decades, and remind yourself it's ok that nothing is happening, because Carol told running guy that the only important thing is to be whole?
Do we need mommy's approval, or it's not real sorcery?
Is it possible you're suffering from paranoid schizophrenia like Cholita, and what you heard from Carol is advice for a mentally ill person you're stuck being around?
You seem to have her mood disorder. Read what you posted yesterday, about trying to be careful, versus the rant you went on today.
Seems like schizophrenic cycling to me.
What was that you claimed?
All sorcerer's are schizophrenic?
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 18:49
In order to set the AP free we must go through a period of time where we are truly insane. Most shamans and sorcerers do not complete that journey. That is why I emphasize certain things, as they were emphasized to me. It isn't that hard to move the AP. The trick is to return home.
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u/danl999
5 points2020-09-23 20:47
We must, I, me, me, me.
That's why I.
They were emphasized to me.
Most fail and don't complete the journey, like wonderful me.
Poor baby me...
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u/runningdownastream
3 points2020-09-23 21:00
Do you get off on fucking with people like this? You will cringe someday at what you are doing right now.. Abstract beings don't get off on fucking with people. If you were indifferent it could be clear intent, and really helpful. Instead you attack and project your insecurities on to me, or anyone that has not put you on a pedestal. I would much rather get beyond this little petty process, so we can both benefit from intent. You are not CC. I have spent time with other teachers that do this very thing. They claim to have inherited someones entire lineage. Come on man. You aren't helping..
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u/danl999
2 points2020-09-23 21:58
Taisha taught me that.
She explained how to tell a bad player. You listen to their words, and what's obvious to someone with no internal dialogue comes out.
It's all about them, and getting attention for some imaginary "I" created by their internal dialogue.
You can hear in their words, that they're completely lost in the same thing as everyone else, despite what pretend trip they've gotten on.
It's the very thing darkness gazing gets rid of. "Me".
Taisha said to look at their words, and you'll see that it's endless self promotion and defense of something which doesn't even exist.
But they're completely lost in it.
You are the exact opposite of silence.
You are stuck in a total obsession with "me, me, me".
It doesn't even make sense for you to be in here.
If you feel mistreated, go to any of the other 500 places you can discuss your views on sorcery.
You're only here because something cool is going on.
And elsewhere you'd be completely ignored as a guy who ate too many shrooms and got on an ego trip.
But in here, you can make a big splash by ruining it for others.
You gain importance here, by harming.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 22:05
So you can drop names but I cannot. Just because Taisha told you something does not mean you are able to see like her. Carol would disagree with your perception of me. She and Nyei referred to me as an impeccable being that changed the way they saw things as much as they did for me because I showed up having already learned something else that was equally effective as what they had learned. You are still projecting your shit onto me. You are trash talking a dreamer that has a different and expansive view because of my experiences outside of this particular body of knowledge. You are just exposing your own anger, dissatisfaction, and what you are running from by pursuing sorcery and mocking others who approach it differently.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 22:11
I am here to share some experiences, and meet people who are not spun out, and learn from being attacked by those who are. Silence is not reserved for you and those that you deem worthy of your acknowledgment. If we met in person, you would not perceive me the way you do online. I have offered to take you into the mountains with a real wizard. I am not sure you would make it through the night. It takes a certain kind of non judgmental person to expand their view of what is possible. Being autistic makes you hyper focused on what you are good at. Regardless, the offer stands..
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u/danl999
1 points2020-09-23 22:29
No, you're here because you're a part time troll. It's your hobby.
Here's what you posted in the shamanism forum:
So you are not going to look into it? He he.. are you a shaman?
Can you see?
Do you have unbending intent?
Are you open or fixated?
You know about the satanic cults in the elite circles, or no? They run the major media. And Hollywood. Why won’t you look?
Watch Out the Shadows. Dare you. Why wouldn’t you consider it might be true? Tell me that. How is it not true?
Here's something else you posted. I suppose you posted that here too, and it had to be removed for fear of reddit shutdown
The reason they have everyone wearing masks, and presenting the mask as "saving the planet", and everyone who isn't wearing the mask being deemed "dangerous" is to keep the fictitious pandemic going. The pandemic will keep going as long as people are wearing the masks and looking around seeing that everyone else is wearing the mask. The only thing we actually have a pandemic of right now is masks. It's a mask pandemic.
Even though Corona viruses die out and disappear in May, that's why they're called seasonal, in the US there are more and more stores now not allowing entry unless you're wearing the mask. This is being done to psychologically control the population, and to get them to still be afraid that the invisible boogeyman is just around the corner waiting to kill them. It's like mass psychosis of people willingly becoming slaves.
Here's what you posted in r/Psychedelics_Society:
Cognitive Dissonance
[removed]
And you have posts removed in these places:
r/shrooms, r/JoeRogan, r/LucidDreaming
You're a troll.
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u/runningdownastream
3 points2020-09-23 22:38
You are acting like a child now. I am not an online person, I posted cognitive dissonance about the pseudoscience lies that big Pharma is associated with..in multiple subreddits one time, one day, and they all took it down.. and it opened up a couple conversations. That is it. Not a troll- look at how few times I have been on reddit. Why won't you respond to me? You just attack. Are you aware of how out of balance you are, and how exposing all this is? Would you be willing to admit any of your imbalances, like I have admitted mine to you? Please respond as an adult. We all are stuck at certain ages if we do not deal with certain wounds. How can you be this dense, this arrogant, this petty, and claim you are the continuation of the lineage?
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u/1solve_et
2 points2020-09-23 23:29
I am genuinely up for the night with the wizard in the mountains if there’s still a space going. 👏
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 23:32
Ha ha.. well you are in Europe, yes? If you ever make it to the states.. and you are still feeling adventurous, let me know. Read all the books. It helps to be able to process what the hell is happening, when he moves your aspects.
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u/1solve_et
2 points2020-09-24 00:39
I’m in Scotland, so I’m half certain I’ve already had a drink with a couple of wizards in the first place, but absolutely! After I’ve read the books and I’m in the states I’m totally game. That’s exactly the type of thing I’d wana be doing with my spare time tbh.
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u/d-d-downvoteplease
1 points2020-10-03 02:09
I don’t know about any of this organized shaman stuff. But I discovered some strange abilities through psilocybin and LSD.
What you said about truly going insane for a time and coming back reminds me of some of my experiences a while back. Can you elaborate on that for me? I hadn’t been aware of any organizations related to this subject, but at the time I intuitively knew the flux through insanity was important.
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u/danl999
4 points2020-09-23 18:31
You're getting the same lesson I got in private classes!
I never expected it. But I should have.
Carlos didn't need to tell us all the attackers he was fighting.
At least not to private class.
But he did.
Now I believe he discussed them on purpose, like everything else.
As Cholita has told me, Carlos planned everything.
You should hear Cholita say something like that. For an instant, she becomes sane.
Even what went on in Mexico was planned by him, according to Cholita.
So we heard nearly every class about a new attacker. Carlos himself would start the day with it.
It was part of the "daily announcement".
The varieties of attacker he mentioned show up in here too!
I should have paid more attention.
You could classify them the way birds are classified.
"The long nosed, red beaked Carol Tiggs chaser"
"The short, yellow bellied Castaneda exposer"
"The big snouted intellectual masturbator"
"The fast running Cuckoo Eagle Feather"
According to don Juan, the world hates sorcery.
And is not past murdering witches and sorcerers.
Carlos created the idea of a vast conspiracy by aliens, to explain how bad it can get if you try to teach sorcery.
We think that's silly, but in fact it's true.
Watch the big cities of this country burn this election cycle, and you'll understand what mobs can do.
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u/runningdownastream
0 points2020-09-23 18:36
Carol is in a much different place than all those years ago. She is aware that we are in a memory. That discovery changes everything.
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u/tryerrr
1 points2020-09-27 01:48
Are you Carol?
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2020-10-12 18:50
Not even remotely likely.
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u/Juann2323
4 points2020-09-23 18:17
Definitely you are at the wrong place. Here we are some guys who read the books and could never do anything real with them. Years and years trying. Where was Carol and the other people to help us? Nowhere.
Now we found our path to real magic. We are doing it ourselves. Really moving the assamblage point, and cleaning our conection with Intent.
The only thing that Dan want is to make us learn real sorcery. So we dont care about your opinion.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 18:26
Sorry to hear that you are entangled in that view. I can feel your intent, and you have a very clean link. I do as well. I am sharing a message that is not in alignment with what you have been infused with. Carol is very available. I am thankful for all of you and am not at odds with you or anyone. I am a practitioner of real sorcery. You are new to this world. You will expand beyond what you think you now know. We all will, and we all have to. This is a Castaneda thread. Not a IOB thread. Try the tunnel or cave. It is much more effective as it adds an element to the darkness. When I am in the tunnel moving with the gait of power, entire scenes, landscapes, people, conversations, and doors open. I hope you can reset your feelings and discuss these things with me without trying to cast my voice out. All good either way.
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u/Juann2323
6 points2020-09-23 18:39
Yeah, but keep in mind this: absolutely no one could make us enter into this. We are just doing things this way, because it is the onlyone that works for us.
Once we have a clear link, eachone is going to follow Spirit.
But remember that no one could help us doing that. Carol is available? I dont hear her giving us advices. Do i have to knock her house door? I live too far. In my view they just forget about us, or they dont know how to teach us.
Dan told us: try this, and then this, and it works. We are so practical, and opened to everything that works.
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u/runningdownastream
2 points2020-09-23 18:46
I am happy for you, truly. I studied with how to sorcerers and got a fuck ton out of it. Carol showed me something else. That is all. I am open to learning about my holes in my consciousness and I hope all of you are open to that as well. Carol is very much available. She is observing, and waiting and has seen what is coming. Please consider not attacking me or trying to push me or anyone out. Thank you for being civil.
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u/Juann2323
4 points2020-09-23 18:52
I am not angry. In that case, it would be my internal dialogue.
Everything we advice here, we check it, ourselves.
So if you come here and say that our methods are bad, we are going to eat you.
Why? Because we all have been alone trying to make this work for a long time.
Now we know how to do it. And we want that everyone who comes here, know that he found a concrete way to learn sorcery.
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 18:57
I never said that they are bad. I have witnessed ungrounded people in here be told to become even less grounded. You have to understand.. what I have been through.. it is liking watching an old movie on VHS that is out of focus and parts are missing.. when the blue ray copy is available and the scenery is so much clearer and brighter. You are solid and light my friend. Perfect combo. Not everyone that comes here is.
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u/Juann2323
5 points2020-09-23 19:06
I totally understand what you say. Newbies are heavy. But we already tried to tell them: get light, and then learn sorcery.
Didnt work. Everyone blamed Carlos for being fake. So we are entering from the back door. Understand that?
Carlos wanted it like this, when he showed "the wall" at his last days.
We are teaching people to do real cool things, and then they will see they are getting stucked because they are heavy. So at that point they will get lighter.
It is not easy to teach sorcery to someone new to this. You cant just give them a list with the 30 things they should be doing. They quit.
Our way lets the people realize what they need to progress.
PEOPLE NEED TO CHECK IT IS REAL, AND THEN THEY WILL CHANGE THEIR LIFES.
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-23 20:14
You know how in the books or online it was said that Don Genaro would not shake CC's hand at first because he wasn't clean. Carol has become ultra sensitive and has 0 shields left. She can talk to large groups but one on one is not an option for her, unless that individual has move beyond certain stages of the fliers hold, and has therefore become empty enough, and has not gone stark raving mad.. then she really has a lot to say to you, and what seems like a short talk when it is unpacked is like an eternity of intensity.
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u/calixto_mooneeeee
1 points2020-09-25 15:03
has move beyond certain stages of the fliers hold
What does Carol think about fliers and this subject?
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-25 15:11
We graduate from each level of the fliers, we get past one, another version of the same thing replaces it, but is more sophisticated. Each one gets progressively more difficult to detect, and move beyond. The predators are in place as a means to challenge our evolution, and it is not a negative thing, but is a necessary one.
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u/calixto_mooneeeee
1 points2020-09-25 19:46
levels of fliers? did Carol tell so? I've dealth with one flier and it was exactly as it was described in Active side of Infinity. levels of fliers are not reflected in the books, if you've read it there are onlly one type of fliers and only one foreign installation with no levels...
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-25 19:57
Yes. It’s not like the flier is switched with another one, but it is updated like a software program kind of. A lot of people never move behind a middle school level of emotional development so the original basic program is suffice, and for those that do move beyond the fliers predatory nature becomes more complex and finds ways to adjust to the individual. There are many levels in that sense. But the fliers themselves are not the only predator. If we were to collectively move beyond the fliers hold, there is another even more difficult predator to learn from.. none of it being negative, just necessary.
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u/runningdownastream
1 points2020-09-25 19:57
*beyond
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u/1solve_et
3 points2020-09-23 23:50
This was insightful! Thank you.
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u/calixto_mooneeeee
1 points2020-09-23 20:08
So you as student to Carol, can you say what Carol thinks about interaction with IOB?? i mean their use in terms of moving our AP and moving on path of toltecs's knowledge?
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u/runningdownastream
0 points2020-09-23 20:21
Fully unnecessary with one exception. Each male practitioner must have enough experience with IOB's to determine what kind of warrior they are. The IOB's can lure you and make deals with you that are entrapping. Men are suckers for that kind of trickery. There is no helping a man if he goes to far along the path of exchanging too many favors or selling their soul for power. Of course to reach the third attention as a sorcery party the male Nagual must borrow dark alien energy from the IOB's realm in order to get everyone across. That is changing now though. We are entering a much less dense layer of density, and these old paradigms are changing fast. Carol has moved way beyond what CC and her were up to when CC was here. The witches are still around, but already in those much less dense layers.
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So just as with Michail_D, there's no actual magic in your version of sorcery.
It's all about how you "feel" about things. And getting approval from Carol, Reni, or some other celebrity.
No need to do any actual work.
You can just think up a new way to feel "joy".
When you want some real experiences, you get out the shrooms.
Can't the two of you go darken some other discussion group?
Why are you in here?
Seems like you're both trying to make sure no one learns actual sorcery, because then you'd have to stop pretending.
I practice real magic, as do you. Just sharing another aspect of this for those that sense that something is missing in their pursuit. I am a student to Carol, and a practitioner of what this tradition has offered. To suggest you are the only being that can contribute real teachings is absurd and super arrogant. I am not claiming to be a teacher, but am sharing what those that are teachers have shared with me.
Do it somewhere else.
The simple fact is, no one would listen to you anywhere else.
In here, you can attack and make a fuss and it seems more important to you.
Just because I'm here.
Please go express your joy elsewhere?
By the way, nearly a dozen bad men have come through here.
People reading for the last year will remember.
One variety is obsessed with Carol.
It's a really obvious sign. You think you're making yourself look important, but haven't been here long enough to realize you're marking yourself as a broken person.
I am not seeking attention. I am detached. It is hilarious that you cannot see that you are projecting your own unconsciousness onto anyone that challenges you, like a child.
I only go after people who are giving out bad info which will harm others.
Harm others includes distracting them from trying, which is the main problem all along.
Too many distractions give endless excuses not to work.
I'm not in here for my ego, the way you are.
If you want to find my chatting, it's over on sustained action.
It was pointless.
At this point I'm only trying to salvage Carlos' reputation.
In case you didn't notice, it's in the toilet.
He assigned me this task just before he died.
He locked me up with himself in private, and told me, "I'm dying, and no one believes me."
Twice he said it, to make sure I remembered.
That was only days after he taught us the techniques I'm teaching in here.
I just put off doing something about that for too long. I expected Carol to take care of that.
But she seems to have left it to Reni.
So should we look into your connection to Carol?
I have a feeling it's more imaginary than real.
Reni is selling therapy.
You came in here trying to convince Lidotska she needed Jungian therapy.
And you deceptively implied Cleargreen was doing that. Later, when caught red handed, you admitted they were not.
You said it was just your idea.
Perhaps you told the truth the first time, and your connection to Carol, is through paid therapy with Reni?
I can go find that conversation and post it here if you like.
And look into your connection to Carol.
Or you can go away and find another place to show off.
Take Mikail with you.
You guys can form a "Carol Tiggs" subreddit!
If your ideas are good, you should have no problem.
I have nothing to hide. I have apparently struck a nerve. You are acting like the people trying to discredit CC now. I didn't retract or lie, or mislead. You can try to pick me apart all you want. Carol is not petty. This echo chamber is not balanced. I encourage people to heal, and intend sorcery into their lives, as a means to become a seer, not because of sorcery. Sorcery is a dead end street. DJ made that very clear. I know this because I was a student to sorcerers. Balance. Not extremes. Intent. Not obsession.
And what exactly are you sharing? Some fairy tales about "The Heart"? Is there any new information on sorcery or techniques? Or how to really progress on The Path? Only some longings and stories of "How Carol is sad"?
Dan may not be ideal person, and he is not pretending to be a great impeccable warrior, but he is gifting us his findings. Techniques crafted by thousands of sleepless hours doing recapitulation and silence, and those techniques work and leave people with "Wow" feeling.
But guys like you are just contaminating this place with nostalgic bla bla bla.
From all you wrote I see zero practical value.
My tunnel dreaming post is something that if you experience yourself will transform your dreaming exponentially. I have yet to find anyone that can follow me in the tunnel.. Please consider reading it. It is short and concise. I have a lot more where that came from. I have been attacked ever since I posted anything so I haven't had time to share other practical applications. I am a gazer. I have spent decades gazing. I use the gait of power in the wilderness. This post is not for everyone, but it is for a few.
I will read it.
Will you post your other techniques?
I will, yes. I just posted a gazing post a few minutes ago.
Thank you!
Creating an echo chamber in here would be dysfunctional. I am surprised you would try to push people out. It serves as a perfect lesson for those that are learning. You are exposing your autistic isolation of one aspect of this sorcery knowledge base. If you have not experienced direct communication with the sentient earth, than it makes sense why you would roll your eyes, and belittle joy, but to suggest to others to follow you in to the specific direction you have gravitated toward and talk shit about anyone that has discovered other aspects of this dream is insane.
It is always both excellent and terrible advice to give people to say "Be whole before..."
Excellent, because of course, if someone has a whole heart, as they work with IOBs, or any path of magick, they'll be ready to handle them in a more mature manner that will have less of a likelihood to blow up in their face.
Terrible, because of course, it can be giving a person the task of Sisyphus. Constantly judging whether their heart is whole enough in order to begin the real practice yet, thus never starting the real practice because who's heart is every really whole?
Excellent and terrible advice tends to cancel itself out. Once that is done you're left with what in this post? That you feel bad for people and Carol feels bad for people? Dan feels bad for people. I feel bad for people. I'm sure everyone feels bad for people.
It isn't exactly useful information, and I don't see what it has to do with Castaneda. If I were a mod on this sub, I'd have just removed this as off-topic.
Since it seems less about Castaneda and more about stirring up shit with other members on this sub as a "guru" and "good guy" kind of thing.
I'm not going to claim you have no magick like Dan. According to his litmus I probably don't have any magick either, which is fine. I'm seeking, and will always be seeking. It's one of the reasons I don't talk much in here anymore.
First, I need to empty my cup, before I can take in what is available here. That's my own impossible task. You seem to have quite a full cup, and perhaps its full of wonderful things.
So perhaps share the wonderful things, and drop the pretense of a holy man?
Just my two cents.
I hear you. Just sharing a sentiment that struck me as poignant, and is not for everyone to receive. Wholeness is undeniable when it is discovered though. I think it is valid and has a place amongst these discussions.
"just sharing" is usually a very weak argument for anything.
I could just share that I really love bananas, and perhaps someone, somewhere, would have their practice enhanced by this knowledge.
But I wouldn't try to argue it's a good reason to post in the Castaneda sub.
Again, it's a matter of sharing knowledge that could be useful, versus sharing knowledge that is useless.
If a person can't immediately act on it, it is useless knowledge.
The square root of 64 is 8. Behold the mystery of equations!
Useless.
If you put tape around the neck of a banana, it will brown slower.
Useful.
Wholeness of heart will aid in your path towards mastery of sorcery!
Useless.
Darken a room, till there's no light left in it, do the passes, and you'll be able to move your AP and gain first hand experiences of sorcery that can lead you down a path of personal revelation and growth.
Useful.
If you simply allude to something, that's useless information. The reason Dan has clout here and can slap people around like he does, is because he is a font of useful, if at times clearly boomer, wisdom and advice. He's just a person, trying his hardest, to do something that will actually change someone's life. Not give platitudes or lamentations (though he does sometimes get lost in a rant, being human).
Assuming you have magick to share, like your grave ritual which I thought was quite interesting, could you do more of that and less of posts like this? It's just a request of course. But I'd be interested in hearing more about your authentic knowledge of actual practical application when it comes to sorcery.
I'm not particularly interested in non-actionable philosophical meanderings. :D
Is that fair?
Absolutely. I was not aware that the how to nature of this path was the only thing of interest in here. I have a inorganic helper that works with me and tells me things, and it includes the jolts of poetic intensities that balance a warriors spirit. I find it to be just as critical as reaching the place of no pity, or any other AP shift. I am no longer in need of the passes to move my AP. I did them in a way that liberated me from them, as I was taught, and naturally discovered. I will share some more practical aspects of intent.
After all, we are all both holy men and not holy men. (some are holy women!)
I have been getting attacked for sharing anything that is different than what this echo chamber is experiencing, so I am just looking at why and what has happened in here. Not at odds with anyones approach, appreciate all feedback, and think all of us have a great deal to offer. I have been fortunate to indeed fill my cup, and it has shown me that we are all caught in the entanglement of self reflection. Shattering the mirror of self reflection is what allows us to become abstract beings. I intend that with every fiber of my being. There are many ways to do that. Doing so without having faced ourselves would lead to something very dysfunctional, and that is my point. Not a warning.. just a reality.. and therefore a liberating piece of information, in my experience and opinion.
It's not an echo chamber.
It's intent. We need it badly because sorcery is difficult.
You keep taking a sledgehammer to intent.
I have the intent of Carlos Castaneda himself.
Many others did also, but they gave up.
I have the intent of my teachers.. thankful for you and yours.. I am not seeking to distract. I am offering a very specific and powerful intent that has a place in this body of knowledge. I will never give up.
Sometimes dysfunction is more functional than the apathetic half dead zombie state many people live their daily lives in.
You've gotten to where you are in sorcery through admitted abuse by your own teachers, that is quite dysfunctional.
But it worked. Right?
Of course. And yet things are timely. These discussions are healthy. We are in a memory. This idea that we have to beat our heads against the wall is the distraction from acquiescence. The Active side of Infinity is very different than the other books. It is a critical aspect to this body of knowledge.
Yeah... see that's the kind of mystical bullshit that gets cut through here. I'm not asking you to leave, I'm not that type, but if you want to ignore your audience, you do so at your own existential peril, because people will either react negatively or not at all to what you're trying to give out.
I don't like bullying, and I like people ganging up on others even less, but there is such a thing as a person coming into a group of other people and trying to demand they all suddenly fit their idea of what is right, rather than trying to understand how to communicate their ideas in a way that the group can take in, in a positive and/or healthy manner.
Does that make sense?
For instance, no one gives a shit about Carol or if she's available, but you've said it half a dozen times in this post alone. It gives off a sense of tone deafness. When you say things like you've had access to many how to sorcerers, great, rather than tell us that, give us the how to methods. We don't give a shit if you've had 108 secret masters, only if what they gave you can be passed on to the rest of us and be useful.
Again, I'm not trying to be mean, but people like you that just keep saying the same things, which have no real meaning, and are just platitudes over and over, and mystical jargon and about how above things you are and how advanced you are, while simultaneously trying to present yourself as humble and meek...
It doesn't sit right. If your intent is to contribute, do that, stop playing the victim card, and get on with being the teacher you clearly want to be. Stop trying to pretend you don't want to be a teacher. Be one. I'm fine with that. One more teacher is great. And if your teachings are "blah blah mystical jargon blah" you'll have no students here.
Can you/are you interested in doing that? Or should I just go back to not responding to your posts? Because I certainly can if that's preferable for you.
I was passing on a message. I am not attached to being liked. I am not in need of being heard. I found the sentiment that was shared with me to be poignant. I am surprised it is so violently opposed in here. Carol got to me, and showed me where I was at, and no one had ever stopped me the way she did. It was a truly transitional time and it exposed my ego and redirected my path. I appreciate your feedback. I have practical dreaming tasks to share as well. I am concerned for those that are being told they are working with the spirit of Datura in here, or some ally that is tied to that spirit and is being called Datura. That isn't true. Hard to see that kind of thing as it is so unnecessary to mislead people, intentionally or un intentionally.
I must have missed the Datura stuff. I was only aware of Fancy, Bob, Fairy, and Little Smoke. The IOBs that Dan talks about working with, and Juan because he had Fairy for a bit.
Little smoke is also not the kind of IOB helper that is being referenced in here. That is also inaccurate and misleading. If you go back and read the books, and study power plants and IOB's with multiple lineages, you discover that. I am just in the unfortunate position of being the one to point that out.
I did remove a post from this user a few months ago, based on multiple complaints; about COVID-19 being a conspiracy and that people shouldn't wear masks.
It was a legal liability.
But everyone deserves a second chance to prove themselves, or at least to state their position.
We often learn the most from those who are, in our view, divergent.
Oh wow, yeah that'd be super off topic.
i finally found a place in this subreddit where people share actual "how to sorcery" and pragmatic stuff, lets not fill it with catholic like dogma, to me this read like "if you are sinful you can't do sorcery" cause of the lack of details and non specific definition any naive reader can end up feeling they belong to the arbitrary category you created.
i would say any narrative that delays or stop people from practicing is evil cause intent loves actions not words
I have worked with a lot of powerful how to sorcerers. There are some things you may not know about, from not having experience outside of this version of your reality. I in no way would suggest people not embark on the path of knowledge. I am suggesting that what DJ and Carol emphasized is not to be overlooked.
More name dropping.
All of your credentials seem to be about how you were around someone else.
People with real magic feel a sort of happiness you don't possess, and rather than being secretive or angry, they try to teach others.
With specific techniques people can try, and see if it works.
The Buddha started out like that. Daniel Ingram has a discussion of that.
He's able to do real magic also. Same variety we're doing here.
Then the Buddha's magic was buried by attention seekers and profiteers.
There's still hints of it, but not enough to do anyone any good.
People are told, "it takes several lifetimes".
Your line is, "Sorcery is about Joy. I follow Carol. You have to plug the holes in yourself. Become whole."
And Carlos remains in the trash?
They don't even have his books in bookstores anymore.
He used to have a whole shelf of them. And then a second shelf for the me-too books.
But you don't care.
You aren't whole!
There's a gigantic hole in your heart that you try to fill with bullying.
Thanks for the help from you other guys.
Trolls are a drag.
Normally you should ignore a troll.
But I can't. They harm new people.
We're trying to find 24 people with the time, and maybe a little talent so they don't need quite as much time, and lead them into heightened awareness.
That's the only place real learning takes place.
I have practical dreaming practices to share, and super funny stories.. but was just trying to get everyone to lighten up.. and stop taking themselves so seriously.. and spreading misinformation about Datura and little smoke. That is not helping. You are not whole otherwise you wouldn't be talking shit about Carol or Reni. Reni is holding others back, but that is not a judgement, just a fact. Carol is alone in that no one can face themselves enough to shatter the mirror of self reflection. That is obvious. I would never trash CC and I thank him every day.
We all have holes in our consciousness, even Carol, and she admits this. Can you?
I don't care about silly stuff like that.
You can do real magic as you are. You don't have to change anything.
We aren't after sainthood here!
Except that internal dialogue. That has to go. You need that change.
But according to you, you should plug the holes in your consciousness, before you actually do anything.
And for that, you have to go to Carol? Is that how it works?
Or take Jungian Shadow therapy?
How many years of therapy do you need, before you can learn real visible magic?
Or you do Tensegrity for decades, and remind yourself it's ok that nothing is happening, because Carol told running guy that the only important thing is to be whole?
Do we need mommy's approval, or it's not real sorcery?
Is it possible you're suffering from paranoid schizophrenia like Cholita, and what you heard from Carol is advice for a mentally ill person you're stuck being around?
You seem to have her mood disorder. Read what you posted yesterday, about trying to be careful, versus the rant you went on today.
Seems like schizophrenic cycling to me.
What was that you claimed?
All sorcerer's are schizophrenic?
In order to set the AP free we must go through a period of time where we are truly insane. Most shamans and sorcerers do not complete that journey. That is why I emphasize certain things, as they were emphasized to me. It isn't that hard to move the AP. The trick is to return home.
We must, I, me, me, me.
That's why I.
They were emphasized to me.
Most fail and don't complete the journey, like wonderful me.
Poor baby me...
Do you get off on fucking with people like this? You will cringe someday at what you are doing right now.. Abstract beings don't get off on fucking with people. If you were indifferent it could be clear intent, and really helpful. Instead you attack and project your insecurities on to me, or anyone that has not put you on a pedestal. I would much rather get beyond this little petty process, so we can both benefit from intent. You are not CC. I have spent time with other teachers that do this very thing. They claim to have inherited someones entire lineage. Come on man. You aren't helping..
Taisha taught me that.
She explained how to tell a bad player. You listen to their words, and what's obvious to someone with no internal dialogue comes out.
It's all about them, and getting attention for some imaginary "I" created by their internal dialogue.
You can hear in their words, that they're completely lost in the same thing as everyone else, despite what pretend trip they've gotten on.
It's the very thing darkness gazing gets rid of. "Me".
Taisha said to look at their words, and you'll see that it's endless self promotion and defense of something which doesn't even exist.
But they're completely lost in it.
You are the exact opposite of silence.
You are stuck in a total obsession with "me, me, me".
It doesn't even make sense for you to be in here.
If you feel mistreated, go to any of the other 500 places you can discuss your views on sorcery.
You're only here because something cool is going on.
And elsewhere you'd be completely ignored as a guy who ate too many shrooms and got on an ego trip.
But in here, you can make a big splash by ruining it for others.
You gain importance here, by harming.
So you can drop names but I cannot. Just because Taisha told you something does not mean you are able to see like her. Carol would disagree with your perception of me. She and Nyei referred to me as an impeccable being that changed the way they saw things as much as they did for me because I showed up having already learned something else that was equally effective as what they had learned. You are still projecting your shit onto me. You are trash talking a dreamer that has a different and expansive view because of my experiences outside of this particular body of knowledge. You are just exposing your own anger, dissatisfaction, and what you are running from by pursuing sorcery and mocking others who approach it differently.
I am here to share some experiences, and meet people who are not spun out, and learn from being attacked by those who are. Silence is not reserved for you and those that you deem worthy of your acknowledgment. If we met in person, you would not perceive me the way you do online. I have offered to take you into the mountains with a real wizard. I am not sure you would make it through the night. It takes a certain kind of non judgmental person to expand their view of what is possible. Being autistic makes you hyper focused on what you are good at. Regardless, the offer stands..
No, you're here because you're a part time troll. It's your hobby.
Here's what you posted in the shamanism forum:
So you are not going to look into it? He he.. are you a shaman?
Can you see?
Do you have unbending intent?
Are you open or fixated?
You know about the satanic cults in the elite circles, or no? They run the major media. And Hollywood. Why won’t you look?
Watch Out the Shadows. Dare you. Why wouldn’t you consider it might be true? Tell me that. How is it not true?
Here's something else you posted. I suppose you posted that here too, and it had to be removed for fear of reddit shutdown
The reason they have everyone wearing masks, and presenting the mask as "saving the planet", and everyone who isn't wearing the mask being deemed "dangerous" is to keep the fictitious pandemic going. The pandemic will keep going as long as people are wearing the masks and looking around seeing that everyone else is wearing the mask. The only thing we actually have a pandemic of right now is masks. It's a mask pandemic.
Even though Corona viruses die out and disappear in May, that's why they're called seasonal, in the US there are more and more stores now not allowing entry unless you're wearing the mask. This is being done to psychologically control the population, and to get them to still be afraid that the invisible boogeyman is just around the corner waiting to kill them. It's like mass psychosis of people willingly becoming slaves.
Here's what you posted in r/Psychedelics_Society:
Cognitive Dissonance
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And you have posts removed in these places:
r/shrooms, r/JoeRogan, r/LucidDreaming
You're a troll.
You are acting like a child now. I am not an online person, I posted cognitive dissonance about the pseudoscience lies that big Pharma is associated with..in multiple subreddits one time, one day, and they all took it down.. and it opened up a couple conversations. That is it. Not a troll- look at how few times I have been on reddit. Why won't you respond to me? You just attack. Are you aware of how out of balance you are, and how exposing all this is? Would you be willing to admit any of your imbalances, like I have admitted mine to you? Please respond as an adult. We all are stuck at certain ages if we do not deal with certain wounds. How can you be this dense, this arrogant, this petty, and claim you are the continuation of the lineage?
I am genuinely up for the night with the wizard in the mountains if there’s still a space going. 👏
Ha ha.. well you are in Europe, yes? If you ever make it to the states.. and you are still feeling adventurous, let me know. Read all the books. It helps to be able to process what the hell is happening, when he moves your aspects.
I’m in Scotland, so I’m half certain I’ve already had a drink with a couple of wizards in the first place, but absolutely! After I’ve read the books and I’m in the states I’m totally game. That’s exactly the type of thing I’d wana be doing with my spare time tbh.
I don’t know about any of this organized shaman stuff. But I discovered some strange abilities through psilocybin and LSD.
What you said about truly going insane for a time and coming back reminds me of some of my experiences a while back. Can you elaborate on that for me? I hadn’t been aware of any organizations related to this subject, but at the time I intuitively knew the flux through insanity was important.
You're getting the same lesson I got in private classes!
I never expected it. But I should have.
Carlos didn't need to tell us all the attackers he was fighting.
At least not to private class.
But he did.
Now I believe he discussed them on purpose, like everything else.
As Cholita has told me, Carlos planned everything.
You should hear Cholita say something like that. For an instant, she becomes sane.
Even what went on in Mexico was planned by him, according to Cholita.
So we heard nearly every class about a new attacker. Carlos himself would start the day with it.
It was part of the "daily announcement".
The varieties of attacker he mentioned show up in here too!
I should have paid more attention.
You could classify them the way birds are classified.
"The long nosed, red beaked Carol Tiggs chaser"
"The short, yellow bellied Castaneda exposer"
"The big snouted intellectual masturbator"
"The fast running Cuckoo Eagle Feather"
According to don Juan, the world hates sorcery.
And is not past murdering witches and sorcerers.
Carlos created the idea of a vast conspiracy by aliens, to explain how bad it can get if you try to teach sorcery.
We think that's silly, but in fact it's true.
Watch the big cities of this country burn this election cycle, and you'll understand what mobs can do.
Carol is in a much different place than all those years ago. She is aware that we are in a memory. That discovery changes everything.
Are you Carol?
Not even remotely likely.
Definitely you are at the wrong place. Here we are some guys who read the books and could never do anything real with them. Years and years trying. Where was Carol and the other people to help us? Nowhere.
Now we found our path to real magic. We are doing it ourselves. Really moving the assamblage point, and cleaning our conection with Intent.
The only thing that Dan want is to make us learn real sorcery. So we dont care about your opinion.
Sorry to hear that you are entangled in that view. I can feel your intent, and you have a very clean link. I do as well. I am sharing a message that is not in alignment with what you have been infused with. Carol is very available. I am thankful for all of you and am not at odds with you or anyone. I am a practitioner of real sorcery. You are new to this world. You will expand beyond what you think you now know. We all will, and we all have to. This is a Castaneda thread. Not a IOB thread. Try the tunnel or cave. It is much more effective as it adds an element to the darkness. When I am in the tunnel moving with the gait of power, entire scenes, landscapes, people, conversations, and doors open. I hope you can reset your feelings and discuss these things with me without trying to cast my voice out. All good either way.
Yeah, but keep in mind this: absolutely no one could make us enter into this. We are just doing things this way, because it is the onlyone that works for us.
Once we have a clear link, eachone is going to follow Spirit.
But remember that no one could help us doing that. Carol is available? I dont hear her giving us advices. Do i have to knock her house door? I live too far. In my view they just forget about us, or they dont know how to teach us.
Dan told us: try this, and then this, and it works. We are so practical, and opened to everything that works.
I am happy for you, truly. I studied with how to sorcerers and got a fuck ton out of it. Carol showed me something else. That is all. I am open to learning about my holes in my consciousness and I hope all of you are open to that as well. Carol is very much available. She is observing, and waiting and has seen what is coming. Please consider not attacking me or trying to push me or anyone out. Thank you for being civil.
I am not angry. In that case, it would be my internal dialogue.
Everything we advice here, we check it, ourselves.
So if you come here and say that our methods are bad, we are going to eat you.
Why? Because we all have been alone trying to make this work for a long time.
Now we know how to do it. And we want that everyone who comes here, know that he found a concrete way to learn sorcery.
I never said that they are bad. I have witnessed ungrounded people in here be told to become even less grounded. You have to understand.. what I have been through.. it is liking watching an old movie on VHS that is out of focus and parts are missing.. when the blue ray copy is available and the scenery is so much clearer and brighter. You are solid and light my friend. Perfect combo. Not everyone that comes here is.
I totally understand what you say. Newbies are heavy. But we already tried to tell them: get light, and then learn sorcery.
Didnt work. Everyone blamed Carlos for being fake. So we are entering from the back door. Understand that?
Carlos wanted it like this, when he showed "the wall" at his last days.
We are teaching people to do real cool things, and then they will see they are getting stucked because they are heavy. So at that point they will get lighter.
It is not easy to teach sorcery to someone new to this. You cant just give them a list with the 30 things they should be doing. They quit.
Our way lets the people realize what they need to progress.
PEOPLE NEED TO CHECK IT IS REAL, AND THEN THEY WILL CHANGE THEIR LIFES.
You know how in the books or online it was said that Don Genaro would not shake CC's hand at first because he wasn't clean. Carol has become ultra sensitive and has 0 shields left. She can talk to large groups but one on one is not an option for her, unless that individual has move beyond certain stages of the fliers hold, and has therefore become empty enough, and has not gone stark raving mad.. then she really has a lot to say to you, and what seems like a short talk when it is unpacked is like an eternity of intensity.
What does Carol think about fliers and this subject?
We graduate from each level of the fliers, we get past one, another version of the same thing replaces it, but is more sophisticated. Each one gets progressively more difficult to detect, and move beyond. The predators are in place as a means to challenge our evolution, and it is not a negative thing, but is a necessary one.
levels of fliers? did Carol tell so? I've dealth with one flier and it was exactly as it was described in Active side of Infinity. levels of fliers are not reflected in the books, if you've read it there are onlly one type of fliers and only one foreign installation with no levels...
Yes. It’s not like the flier is switched with another one, but it is updated like a software program kind of. A lot of people never move behind a middle school level of emotional development so the original basic program is suffice, and for those that do move beyond the fliers predatory nature becomes more complex and finds ways to adjust to the individual. There are many levels in that sense. But the fliers themselves are not the only predator. If we were to collectively move beyond the fliers hold, there is another even more difficult predator to learn from.. none of it being negative, just necessary.
*beyond
This was insightful! Thank you.
So you as student to Carol, can you say what Carol thinks about interaction with IOB?? i mean their use in terms of moving our AP and moving on path of toltecs's knowledge?
Fully unnecessary with one exception. Each male practitioner must have enough experience with IOB's to determine what kind of warrior they are. The IOB's can lure you and make deals with you that are entrapping. Men are suckers for that kind of trickery. There is no helping a man if he goes to far along the path of exchanging too many favors or selling their soul for power. Of course to reach the third attention as a sorcery party the male Nagual must borrow dark alien energy from the IOB's realm in order to get everyone across. That is changing now though. We are entering a much less dense layer of density, and these old paradigms are changing fast. Carol has moved way beyond what CC and her were up to when CC was here. The witches are still around, but already in those much less dense layers.