Hey there,
I can't really believe that I found a place like this. I've been eager to share knowledge about CC for literally a decade and could never find a proper space. The ones that I found (the old Sociedad Nagualista) have been shut down long ago, and even when they were active, they weren't practical at all about anything related to Carlo's work. Guys, I'll try to be as concise and not personal as possible but considering that we need context I'll allow myself to share some of my useless personal history (could be interesting to spot abstract cues) and yeah, I pretty much have this whole text on my gut for the past 10 years, so just ignore me if you aren't interested.
My father started reading CC when he was 19. When I was 12 (I'm 24 today) I read them by "accident" and was hooked ever since. When I say hooked I really mean it, you'll understand in a moment. Summarizing, it turned my life upside down. People think they get shocked when reading CC as adults, they cannot possibly imagine the impact on a childs mind. So yeah I pretty much went mad from common sense pov since I was 12. Ok before starting, I want to pre-apologise for any words that I might use that are not of common knowledge of this forum, since I read his works through Spanish and Portuguese versions.
After growing up with these ideas, as I was also raised to be highly critic of what I believe, during the around 20th times that I re-read Carlos entire work, I always start skeptical and finish it barely on my feet. Though I consider this to be a good thing. Every time I get skeptical, I learn something new, a new way to interpret the cosmological frame that he painted out there. It's very good for our 'tonal' (first attention) to structure and segment this theoretical framework into a logical way. (Even though it doesn't matter what we believe in whenever our assemblage point is positioned at what we call the first attention. Action is all that matters, and action is taken by the second attention.)
I am very glad that my skepticism brought me to philosophy of the mind and metaphysics as it makes a lot easier to see how flawed materialism is. Today I basically hold a idealist sort of view of the world and whenever I start reading the books the only thing I allow my 'mind' to believe is that 'we know nothing other than we exist in our consciousness. Science talks about behaviour of said "particles" but says nothing about what these entities are and therefore is nothing but a tool to predict behaviour. It says nothing and never will, about what these so called "particles" (or whatever name you wanna give) really are and therefore the subjective is completely out of its reach."
And Carlos works is exactly that, a subjective work that talks to and only to your subjective mind. I have written a potentially interesting article on idealism that entails "the hard problem of consciousness" and shamanism and all the cool stuff, but I might save that up for later.
Anyway, back to the personal story crap. After reading the books exhaustively and feeling completely locked out of paradise (I think many/all of you can relate to this feeling) I decided to renounce on everything that I had read, discarding it as pure cheap charlatanism and useless philosophy and tried to engage in a Theoretical Physics degree in a good university here in my country, got a cool gf and tried a 'run away' Pablito's style.
After a year I was completely ready to die. No joke. I had a depression so utterly deep and apparently for no reason that my parents had to intervene. 4 years of antidepressants later (I'm still on medication btw, trying to drop =/) I finally snapped out of it, but only after trying to conduct a "serious study" (lol) on CC works once again, but now using my new acquired knowledge of science and philosophy.
I could be biased, I probably am in fact, but fuck Carlos broke me again. There was no arguments against the words of silence speaking directly to my being. My father passed through a similiar episode in his youth, not as violent, but similiar regardless. So fine, we cannot escape whatever 'spell' his words wove into us (or into our double, or energy body) but we can't act as warriors either. I say this without a drop of self pity, but me and my father, while we hold his work very preciously in a way, in another way we feel completely 'cursed' hahaha. I know that a warrior should never face events as miracles or curses but its helpless. I mean, as I said, I'm a idealist. I know for a fact of logic that the subjective knows no bounds, BUT. BUT what Carlos said goes waaay beyond that. It depicts a life of privations in exchange for selfless power, a unknown power that simply is, and its flow turns our lives into living-myths.
Fair exchange I'd say, if we could actually reach it. Guys, we've tried it all. We've practiced stalking until we questioned our own sanity. We practiced dreaming to bed-wetting level, we've medidated and tried to move our assemblage point to interrupt our flux of reality interpretation, hours and hours a day for years. We took power plants (Mescalito, shrooms and lsd to name a few) We even met some cool guys in Mexico who actually were with Castaneda for many years. Juan Yolitzi, Franciso Plata (this one even says he met Don Juan and Zuleica once, who knows xD), Armando Torres (who apparently found his own lineage, lucky him). But even though we had pretty amazing experiences, we never crossed a determined threshold that seems to fully unleash infinity into our lives (thats how it appears to be in the books anyway). I mean, we would practice until we were exhausted of it and then we would stop for a couple of months, sometimes 1 year and then return ever stronger. But only to find ourselves locked out of the paradise that we read in the books. I am happy to have gotten to the second gate of dreaming, I can safely lucid dream almost every night, I can lock objects as I wish in sight without morphing forms, I can 'zoom-in' and out of other dreams and I feel all sorts of beautiful, weird, haunting and daunting sensations. This is all pretty cool but is nowhere near what they lived. I still lack the spirit. The spirit that pours throughout the pages of Castaneda's work is simply not here as strong as it should, as far as my ridiculous senses tell me. That is why I say that without a single drop of self pity, only pure acknowledgement, we're a fucking miserable couple of bastards haha. We read something that doesn't leave us alone no matter what. If a day passes and I'm not trying my best to reach the spirit I feel utterly sad and disgusted by my full of myself behaviour and to simply waste another day being 'normal'. So, if we attempt to act as warriors, we feel frustrated by the lack of concrete results and if we don't we feel miserable because life makes absolutely no sense anymore. It doesn't feel like it's worth it to live a life if not a warriors life. Not to us. That is why we are miserable.
So, I guess that leaves me with two options to believe. Either Carlos somehow managed to craft this out of his head (which is insane, but plausible I guess) and then we're all a bunch of crazy monkeys trying to self-induce hallucinations, which is not a bad thing in and of itself since investigating consciousness and its boundries can be really interesting. OR he is right concerning the existence of a very strange world that can interacted with more than what we are taught. I mean, everything else that he says is just myth until we experience it. Wall of mist? Inorganic beings? Lineages? Allies? The accurate description of organic and inorganic life throughout the Eagle's spectrum? Lineages past? Names? History and events? Don Juan? None of this matters. This is all confette. We shouldn't care if any of this is true. He could be stalking as far as we are concerned and we shouldn't care, because the important question that he brought is: "Is this all there is to the world? This endless, boring, hurting, cycling, senseless day-to-day enforced reality? What if there is more? And if there is, how can I explore it?" But this is all very complicated. Because as soon as we are dealing with truth's that are effectively subjective to our experience, truth becomes a very shady word. When what you experienced was actually "that"? Was that entity an inorganic? Did I really see that? Did I really hear that? Does X mean that Y and therefore Z?
We keep trying to link our experiences to what the books told us, when we shouldn't or should we? I mean, if any of it is true, they had a lineage, they had no chance to escape the spirit. They were mere pawns of intent displaying a spetacular dance and we are watching it through the lens of an old and misty and dark telescope. But what about us? We have no lineage to follow and as far as I'm concerned, the way the books were presented, points me to a new fact where warriors are now loners, possibly to expand? IDK. Going back to what I said in the beginning, all I know is that we don't know shit. None of us. Alright, we could all be crazies, but if we are, everyone is. Science, philosophy and the whole tree of basic knowledge stands over a floating rock sustained by itself. Theorems that are held true by self-evident axioms. At the end of the day, we can't be sure of anything other than that we are conscious. That is it. Having this knowledge and the knowledge of what we read in Castaneda's sources we have two options.
1-) Believe that he was a fraud and attempt to live life as broken and damaged as it is.
2-) Be a warrior.
I say number 2 is a good choice as any other, since if he was a fraud, most likely so is every religion and/or myth and we're only dust in the wind and nothing will matter at the end of the day anyway. We're all dead already, might as well try something with a heart, right? If he turns out to be right, we can *POTENTIALLY* live a life worth living, full of orgasmic experiences. And if he is wrong we just self-induce hallucinations and live frustrated and die like everyone else.
Yeah guys. I had to throw all this out there. But man, I can't help but to think that if this genious dude crafted this universe and stood by it to his last dying rattle, then he was one of the most cruel beings that ever existed. He showed us a peak of heaven through the peephole and then died and took the door, the room and the whole world with him. Yeah I'd gladly give my entire boring life for one year living as a full-blown warrior. I got to the point where I wanted to somehow meet Carol, Taisha or Florinda (since I know where they live) and spend an afternoon with them, like they used to waste on skeptical stupid journalists in the 80s. Not to ask them anything, because I have no questions for them. But simply to gaze upon their eyes and feel for myself if the myth actually lives on this Earth still. Maybe I wouldn't feel anything, but what if I did? If you read through all this you can probably tell that my 'logical' side is in constant battle with my second attention and I live my life trying to grip to my sanity so that this battle is not a fatal one. It will be one day, I just don't know when.
Have a good one guys, hopefully I can participate often on this forum. Maybe share some articles, dreams, experiences. I mean, fuck the personal side of things. We all know it doesn't matter. But if we can filter that and actually focus on the abstract cues of the experiences, we can maybe start to identify patterns and links to what we read and learned.
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Maybe you should start darkroom practicing! From your text I understood you get frustrated bc there is no concrete results or assemblage point movement from 'impeccable warrior' behaviour? Well, in darkroom practice you definitely see and feel the results !! Not to mention the feelings you experience when the assemblage point moves are literally amazing and sublime even!! It sounds like I'm advertising this, but honestly, ever since I started practicing I have noticed huge differences in my mental health and wellbeing, so if you are fighting with these things I don't think trying could hurt!
Here is more info on darkroom practice:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/ifu1bv/darkroom_practice/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Welcome!!
Seconded, mental health requires a balance of first and second attention, if one is ignored there's a feeling that something is missing. There's a reason people feel better with religion, it's an attempt to engage with that missing half of us, and it's better than nothing.
I can hardly believe that your 'advertisement' has nothing to do with money-grabbing but instead a really practical exercise. Carlos best legacy is his books, Cleargreen (and maybe even tensegrity? Don't know), at least most of the people that I've met from there, are just money-grabbing pricks. Not different from any religious and dogmatic charlatans out there. Thank you so much, I will definitely start right away.
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Well, I see you were hesitating for a long time! Don't worry.
If you couldn't do real sorcery, it is because you didn't learn to silence the mind. I can see it from here in your internal dialogue!
Shut off the voice in your head and the fun will begin. Just look here on this subreddit and you will see.
Once the assemblage point moves away from its usual position, you no longer have all those doubts that you wrote.
You are very welcome, but please don't write things like this one:
> And Carlos works is exactly that, a subjective work that talks to and only to your subjective mind.
It is exactly the opposite! In fact, we use Carlos's books as maps for our experiences. No joke. That's very objetive. And this things harm people here trying to learn.
We had trouble with a guy who was saying "it is all in your mind", when it was obvious he couldn't do anything.
Here we call it "counter Intent". I know, it might take a time for people to realize that. But yes, we have it working!
Isn't it amazing? As Lidotska told, if you want to learn you should start Darkrooming!
Thank you for all the amazing info, it is very exciting!
Btw, when I said that Carlos work is subjective, I didn't mean it as the common sense of the word, but rather the philosophical meaning of the word "subjective". Maybe next time I can reffer it as "qualia"? Qualitative experiences? First person experiences? Whatever we want to call it. As I said, I'm an idealist, I hold the parsimonious belief that everything has ultimately a mental quality to it. Even what we call the "objective world" is nothing more than a "collective subjective" if you will, or in Carlos words "we are sharing the same position of the assemblage point", and that is obvious since we invoke the idea of a material world from our own consciousness. So yes, the material world is nothing more than that, a metaphysical belief, an idea. A misconception of consciousness trying to endlessly reduce itself to itself.
There's a lot of reading to be done on here before you get the gist of what's been going on for the past 20 months or so.
It's informative & intriguing, but ultimately not vital.
What is vital is silence and darkroom practice, and however you want to tailor them to your own proclivities.
Yeah, I read pretty much nothing from the forums so far. Taisha's return was what triggered my search once again.
She's back?
Hm, yes? I thought you guys knew. Apparently she wanted to publish some texts that were never been previously public. Reading through it one can surely recognize the structure, its hers. The last I heard (last year), Florinda, Taisha and Carol were in a specific city of the US (don't wanna mention it, it doesn't matter) where they did not take much/any part in Cleargreen operations (except for Carol, eventually) and we're all very surprised by the sudden release of this new book.
Didn't know that at all. The Sorcerers' Crossing is one of my favorite books. Would love to read more from Taisha.
I actually find it more strange that I found this forum at the same time that Taisha returned and its at peak activity from some of Carlos previous students. Very interesting. Anyway, the book is free as far as I understand it, but I only have the Spanish version, I don't think it was released in any other language and I don't think it will in the close future, maybe we could assemble a task-force to translate it so you guys can read it?
Wow that would be great!!!
Yes, wonderful plan! I speak 0 spanish but thankfully I use DeepL translate for long text. It actually does a fairly good job of translating complex text. I could share bits and pieces as I read along.
Is the release of a new book "official".
Well, as "official" as any of witches work can be, I guess. This is her starting note, you can use a free translator for now, but I can translate it better for you, if you like:
"En mi trabajo anterior, Donde Cruzan los Hechiceros, describo ser introducida a la tradición de los hechiceros por una mujer llamada Clara Méndez. Pertenecía a un grupo de hechiceros liderados por don Juan Matus. Mi entrenamiento bajo su custodia consistió en dos partes: primero, tuve que actuar en una recapitulación exhaustiva de mi vida, usando un método de respiración para recuperar la energía atrapada del pasado. Y segundo, me enseñaron una serie de pases de brujería; movimientos y posturas diseñados para reforzar el cuerpo energético o el doble. Después de un intento fallido de conocer a los otros miembros de la partida de don Juan y mediante una manipulación deliberada de la percepción, referida como el cruce de los hechiceros, me fue dada más instrucción a fin de estabilizar mi cuerpo energético. Para tal efecto, pase muchos meses en una casa del árbol, ubicado en una arboleda en algún lugar al frente de la casa de Clara. Esta fase de mi entrenamiento fue guiada por el cuidador, Emilito. El me inició en otra recapitulación y me hizo realizar ciertas técnicas de observación, así como perfeccionar mis habilidades para escalar árboles, y ciertas maniobras de acecho y ensueño demasiado complejas para mi comprensión total en aquel tiempo. Cuando mi cuerpo energético se hubo familiarizado con una nueva configuración perceptual – un nuevo ser en el mundo-, Emilito sugirió que yo regresara a Los Ángeles para continuar con mi aprendizaje académico. El me aseguró que esto era necesario a fin de equilibrar los lados derecho e izquierdo de mi ser y para lograr el control requerido para continuar en el sendero de los hechiceros."
Didn't take my time to read it throughly as of yet, but it appears to be very interesting. It tells many interactions of her with DJ, Carlos and their companions (including La Catalina). Events that she couldn't remember at the time that she wrote her first book.
Amazing!
Here's the PDF for anyone that is interested. I uploaded it to my Google Drive account since I could not find file attachments here on reddit. (Sorry, I'm pretty new to this thing)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z53mqHp64OZ8EW3Z7d6jiZeu7nAzizB4/view?usp=sharing
Thanks a lot!
What an excellent time to be a Spanish speaker!
Definitivamente Juann! Un nuevo libro de Taisha, imagínate eso!
No tener expectativas- no tener expectativas-no tener expectativas... uh, demasiado tarde!
haha it sure is. My native language is Portuguese and the translation is very accurate, as Carlos spoke portuguese fluently, I think he made sure to certify the quality, though nothing is compared to their work in Spanish, its splendid. That is why I use to read them in it, and I had no loss of content since Portuguese and Spanish are pretty much identical.
I absolutely HATE the English translations. It's mostly just awful work (at least the old ones I read) and sometimes even clearly misleading in terms of what the authors wanted to say.
I have many other books that could potentially be interesting. Useful? Not really, but interesting nonetheless. I met with this guy Armando Torres, whom wrote 2 books. One of them were "public" workshops from Carlos himself from 80-90's. It impacted the guy pretty much, he ended up finding a lineage of old indians in countryside Mexico thanks to Carlos, very mesmerizing story. Though the lineage isn't really parallel to Don Juans since they are still more like the Old Seers. But the last time I went to visit him, the tribe only delivered his clothes. He is gone now, him and everyone else that was with him in that lineage (he was not the nagual, there was already a very old nagual there).
I also have this one book where many the old students of Carlos joined up and told their stories. Some are just 'meh' but there are some interesting ones, like the one from Maestro Francisco Plata (which I still talk to this day, pretty interesting fellow) where he tells us about how he met with Zuleica and Don Juan once. Doesn't matter if its true or not, the story has power on its own. There are many reports from other people like Carlos Hortiz, Arturo Gutiérrez, Edgar Delgado, Martha Venegas, Marivi, Soledad Ruiz, Jacobo Grinberg, Juan Yolitzi (close friend of mine, very cool guy too, I might just invite him over here actually. But he is quite old by now and doesn't enjoy technology that much). I'm sad that I have no reports on the german guy that apparently left with the witches. Renko was his name? Something like that. If anyone got any reports from him I'd really like to read.
Actually we are very careful about them. A lot of people wrote books to promote themselves, making up stuff, just to make money.
That kind of things harm the Intent. Sorry about that, as Dan said, we are in a kind of war here.
We've been trying to do real sorcery for years, and now we finally find a way, so we are going to protect it for others.
If you read a fake sorcerer advice, and you try to apply it, you have a wrong way to Spirit. And it took to much time for us to find the right one.
The Castaneda community is bad enough for dealing with that. Carlos reputation is too destroyed now. Everyone think it was all fake.
Today I read two Argentinian news about it. They wrote pure bushit about him.
That's why we are using only Carlos, Taisha and Florinda books. Here we have Dan also, who was on the private classes and learned directly by Carlos.
Intent is the only thing that matters for doing sorcery. Anyway since you know this guys, we might ask you a few things about them!
Oh yes, when I went to Brasil we talked "Portuñol". Very funny.
But I can't completly understand portuguese.
Thanks! Didnt know about it!
I'll see if I can get Cholita to read it. She already had a copy of an unpublished Taisha book, but lost her copy. She could say if it was the same book.
Why would it be in Spanish? Isn't Taisha European?
Actually I thought she was American. But good question, no idea. I assumed that the same happened to Florinda's books, but that would make more sense, she being from Venezuela. I'll look into it but I'll probably not be able to give you a satisfactory answer to this question. Well, not that it really matters to me honestly. Reading the prose should be enough to evade our doubts and if not, maybe we can still enjoy some of the content :)
Could this be her unpublished work?
[UNPUBLISHED BOOK] Stalking the Double (current status "in extended abeyance"). Referred to as "Untitled Sequel" to The Sorcerer's Crossing on publishing sites
I doubt Cleargreen will answer my inquires though...lets see what happens
So far it looks like an old manuscript that they handed out to private class women back around 97. But my witch friend Cholita will know, if she's in a talking mood.
The police crime scene tape and demon baby heads still surround our home, so probably not.
Has some validation of our dark room practices. It's always good to discover something yourself, then have someone else repeat it.
Emilito is my question. Is she going to claim Emilito is really Zuleica, in that book?
That would have been in Vicam Sonora where "Clara Grau" lived.
Since you're new here, Emilito's technique for waiting for people to show up in dreaming works perfectly. I use it with Cholita all the time.
Except I supposed you have to know some witches to make use of it. Because you really don't seem to have any control over who shows up.
And you have to learn dreaming awake.
It would be nearly impossible to do from sleeping dreaming. But if at least one of the people is fully awake, it's not difficult to do.
I met Minx that way. Cholita even lay her had on my lap. Usually she's trying to murder me.
Oh whoa, that's a lot of information. But first I'd like to say that I got in touch with my contact from cleargreen and apparently they had the book for a long time, but couldn't distribute it because of copyright issues that were legally resolved with Taisha this year. Who knows what could of have happened, right? Or if this is even true? lol
But now, I'm assuming Cholita is another of Carlos's students, and both of you kind of live on the edge of the first attention, huh?
"The police crime scene tape and demon baby heads still surround our home, so probably not." I cannot decypher the meaning of this, though.
"Emilito is my question. Is she going to claim Emilito is really Zuleica, in that book?" Maybe you're reffering to Taisha's "caretaker"?
I don't know, Carlos banned me from reading the books anymore, and it's been a long time.
Emilito was the king of shared waking dreaming. Thus my intense interest in him. If we had some of that, we could restore Carlos' reputation overnight.
Zuleica was the dreaming teacher. Thus also my interest. We need to learn waking dreaming, so we can toss out the 4 gates frauds out there who are hurting the community with made up sorcery information.
In a lecture, Taisha said it turned out, they were the same being. But it was a lecture in south america, and the memory of it is vague. No notes, just someone remembered.
Yes, Cholita was imported from the peyote fields in Mexico by Carlos, via Margarette. Carlos pretty much took control over her life at that point.
When it was obvious Carlos would die, he started to build tighter relationships, presumably to protect the people left behind.
I was offered a sexual relationship with Florinda, but having been told I should be celibate, I turned it down offhand.
I then ended up protecting Cholita, who didn't seem to need all that much help, until she went mad 20 years later. Completely bonkers. She also despises me, so there's no problem of her breaking my celibacy.
Cholita is very superficial. If you put 10 men up in front of her, she'll pick the one who dresses best. And ignore anyone who's challenging to her ideas.
She's the equivalent of Josefina now, who is he equivalent of Zuleica. A westerly dreamer, gone mad.
She'd be walking around LA with a shopping cart if I hadn't given her a place to stay. She went through everyone she knew, trying to find a place to live. Including family. A job is impossible.
But if I can talk her into getting some meds, she'd be much better off.
And we could hear some true inner circle gossip. Especially who was sleeping with whom.
Cholita has stories...
She seems to be the only private class member willing to talk to us.
The others all get angry and crazy if you try to tell them it all works, and they gave up for no reason. Two even came in here to put a stop to it, if they could.
I like to analyze the situation as follows: Carlos didn't put all of his eggs in one basket. He had multiple things going on.
He created Cleargreen to be unstable. I saw it as he did it, always interjecting some tension into the mix.
The result was, Miles and Aerin broke away, and we have Cleargreen #1, and Cleargreen #2.
The next "faction" was private class members. I call that "Faction #3".
But they all turned out to be shit heads. There's only Cholita and me left. The rest are bent on revenge.
Then there's Faction M for Mexico. If Cholita were sane, I'd send her to check that out.
And apparently Faction S for Spain, however there's some question about how much they've corrupted themselves.
And Faction H for Hollywood! That's the faction doing the best, with Star Wars and such.
Edge of first attention? I suppose so.
Last night I was looking through the bedroom wall into the living room, to see if Cholita would come out to play in a copy of the house she created.
Same thing existed at Pandora, the compound Carlos lived in with some of the witches and chacmools.
There was a beam in the entry way, which Carlos brought me to study.
Miles had disappeared behind that beam, and had to be rescued by one of the witches.
As best I can figure, interactions in the second attention over a long time, in the same place, create "intent rifts", and break off phantom copies of the place.
They're alternate versions of reality you can enter from fully awake, and exit back into the real world just by walking through what seems to be the real door in the room
The one Cholita made is ultra stable because at the time, she was being followed around by the Devil's Weed Ally, which Carlos left to his private classes. It took a fancy to Cholita. On a few occasions, I found them playing together in the phantom copy of the house.
But since Fairy decided to help, I haven't seen either of them. They're back to doing what they always did in the lineages. Help people learn.
I just reread Florinda's Being in dreaming. It states that Emilito (the caretaker) and Esperanza are both Zuleica.
From the book:
["I am your dreaming teacher. I am Zuleica.
"Esperanza is my other self. Sorcerers call it the dreaming body."]
And...
["I am the caretaker," she repeated.
I nodded automatically.
But then, right there in front of me, instead of Esperanza, was the caretaker, naked as he had been before, pointing at my watch on his wrist.
I didn't look at the watch: All my attention was focused on his sexual organs.
I reached out to touch him, to see if perhaps he was a hermaphrodite. He wasn't.
With my hand still probing, I felt, more than saw, his body fold into itself, and I was touching a woman's vagina.
I parted the lips to make sure the penis was not hidden somewhere in there.]
Edited to add the quotes.
Man, those witches are nasty!
But I can verify, witches behave like that.
You should see Cholita when she gets randy.
I suppose as you quiet the internal dialogue and the assemblage point moves, you just do what you want without the intellectual baggage.
Holy cow! Thank you!! I love writings from Taisha.
Welcome! We are very practical here. Do the work and eventually you'll move your assemblage point to the place of no doubts. Two things: internal silence and darkroom gazing. Check out all of u/danl999 posts.
Yeah, I'm having a blast reading them. Such a gem, this forum.
Being so young, you probably have enough energy to do darkroom gazing well.
It'll just be a matter of how much time you can find.
If you read the books so many times, you must have noticed the huge amount of effort Carlos put into learning things.
I estimate he was with Zuleica in that dark room somewhere between 200 and 800 hours, before he was ready for Silvio Manuel's techniques.
True that. Not that he had a choice but he did spend A LOT of time with DJ companions practicing his second attention. Probably more than with own DJ if one can believe.
Welcome. I went through my symbolic death around age 24 but that subject isn’t discussed as much as it should be here. In my case I had about three weeks of missing time I can’t account for and woke up permanently in heightened awareness but it felt as if I had gone mad. It was quite the hellscape DJ said it would be. Like yourself, there is a paper thin dam of medication holding back the dark sea of awareness from flooding my perception.
Since you read CC’s books as a kid like I did (except my mother was a witch who is sick now) you’ll go through life relearning exactly what DJ said except this time without a lens of interpretation. You’ll have to find a witch to learn stalking from if you want to become a sorcerer.
This is sort of an unpopular opinion here but I recommend sleep deprivation rather than dark room practice. This is because the dark room is more mental; sleep deprivation will teach your body what you want it to learn so long as you keep your intent unbinding for long enough—consider it a crash course if you’re lazy like I am and would rather skip dark room practice.