This is the only other time where I "woke" up while dreaming in 10 years of practice, it was quite recent compared to the other time. While my first experience happened around my 2nd year of lucid dreaming, this one occurred around 3 years ago.
I had around 9 lucid dreams in a row. Initially I realized that I was conscious in a mall. I looked over at my hands and felt like interacting with the phantoms around the mall, mostly because I usually associate malls with attractive girls (lol). They didn't seem to notice me and ignored me completely. I saw a woman in her mid 40's, not very attractive, but I was feeling kind of naughty and touched her breasts a couple of times but she didn't seem to care at all and therefore I lost interest in that and kind of lost consciousness. After this one dream I'd lose and get lucidity many times around. For the first time I felt real physical pleasure of zooming into other dreams or sublocations of the same dream. Whenever I'd lose consciousness I'd see a mob of disgusting and horrible monsters until I'd get lucid again, they'd disappear. So whenever I started losing lucidity and things on the dream started to become spooky I'd quickly look at my hands again and start the whole process. The dream was very cool because I was able to explore basically an entire town without losing my dream attention. I'd cry sometimes of pleasure of flying/zooming (for some reason the pleasure was very sexual) and sometimes I'd cry of terror I'd ask them to "stop pulling me to the dream" (lol I'm not sure why I asked that) In one moment, I decided to consciously attempt to wake up in my bed, and so I closed my eyes in the dream and at the same time I was half awake at my room. I saw my girlfriend by my side, but if I stared she'd be completely disfigured. Also, I had clothes that were hanging by close to the bed by hangers. If I stared at the clothes, they'd move and come alive, like "ghosts". But if I just quickly looked at them, I'd see them "kind of normally" but the geometry was still kind of off. After that my phone rang and I heard a voice explaining what "seeing" actually was. I'm not sure if I trust this voice at all, since it only said things that I kind of knew, so meh. But it kind of gave me a brief explanation of how I'd process the "hearing" of that phone call in a way that I wouldn't be a step behind of the empirical reality to process the data with my usual senses.
But yeah, that was 3 years ago. Never did anything similiar ever since.
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This gets to the crux of the problem with lucid dreaming. On its own it isn't enough to get to where people need to be, experience-wise in the waking world, to actually be sorcerer/seers.
The standout results aren't reliably repeatable.
It's a supportive practice. Something that Carlos would have refined as he gained more experience with what was working, and what wasn't, in private classes.
It's up to us to do that work now.
u/danl999's negativity toward using it as one's sole or prime practice is from bitter experience. He reached a very advanced stage of "lucid dreaming," and found that it hadn't been that fruitful... at the cost of way too much time.
He doesn't want others to repeat his mistake. Or to imply that lucid dreaming isn't beneficial or should be ignored.
Just that it doesn't easily integrate with the first attention (too easy to see it as separate).
Just look at r/LucidDreaming
Not only that. It's SO HARD to understand "progress" in lucid dreaming the way Carlos presentend it. It seemed so linearly organized they way things happened to him. With us is a completely different story. Take this experience I had for example, it could look like I was edging the 3rd gate, but how come I'm edging the third gate if I can't remember ever being able to follow a scout into the dark world?
I was even able to "see energy" once or twice by pointing my pinky torwards some items. But how can I know that really was what I think it was? It could be that I was so obsessed with the idea of doing it, that I did it, but only with my intent. How can I really know if there really is an entity behind my experiences or if they are just phantoms from my intent? According to them, I shouldn't even be able to do all these things without using power from the allies that I can't recall ever visiting. So yeah, it is very hard. I'm not sure if dark room gazing will happen to be very different for me but I surely hope so!
As far as progress in the way Carlos presented it: Carlos himself said in an interview that he made it much more linear and fast paced than it really was. In reality it was a lot of back and forth, mind fucks, and down time in between.
Plus it's damned easy to summon alternate worlds on the walls of your bedroom, using Tensegrity.
Last night I was doing a long form designed by an inorganic being, and discovered that after an hour I was in her realm. She seems to have tweaked it to land there.
So just try to use the 2nd gate for getting lucid and going to the inorganic beings realm.
You might do it, but once every 5 years. And then if you're a typical man, you go set up a web page and try to cash in.
That's the other reason I don't like 4 gates dreaming. The giant egos it makes, for such small achievements.
I can go there anytime I have a spare hour.
Carlos went there hundreds of times, possibly that's how. It's natural.