Demons?

Think of them as the parallel to the varied organic life on the planet, in inorganic form (though some we encounter are said to be from the far reaches of the galaxy).

Some are closer to insects, some to plants, others to mammals. And then there are the human analogous ones, the allies from the books.

But they came first, and are hence much older. And have no organic body that is so susceptible to the onslaughts of time. So they can be considered, in part, as living archives of magical knowledge....because of their long history of past interactions that they do not forget.

As to their intentions; interaction is their demonstrated motivator. With the varied organic life in the cosmos. We are mirror-universe cousins after all.

As to appearance, that is ALL our doing. Or rather entirely based on what we ourselves feed into them, consciously or unconsciously.

And they do seem to have their own individual demeanors, or behavioral traits. Just like any other species that we are allowed, by human society, to be familiar with.

The imposed moratorium diminishes us, and our chances at rapid progress in this life.

And can anyone really afford to assume, absolutely and without doubt, that they will ever have another life?

And since you are female (and yes that does matter to them). You are more on par with them, and thus not so in demand. It's men that they are extra keen on keeping around.

Cholita is an example of a magnetic IOB attractor. There are always exceptions.

Doesn't mean they won't teach the shit out of you if given the opportunity, just that you can come and go as you please from their realities.

I sure hope so!!!

Just kidding.

IOBs come in millions of types. Some enjoy humans, because they have enough emanations in common with us to interact well.

Little Smoke and Devil's Weed are special cases, coming from a type of inorganic being extremely close to humans in temperament, which is probably why Little Smoke is such a good Ally. They don't come from this planet, as most of those we'll encounter do.

Probably one of the naguals in the line found them, roaming around the universe the way Elias liked to do.

But some IOBs only like the company of trees, and Taisha called them "Shadow Beings".

Those don't interact with humans much if any, but we can still perceive them as a black shadow which makes them extremely valuable to us for holding the position of our assemblage point near the bottom of the J curve.

Those can be dark grey too. Cholita has one, and it was not quite black as described. Almost though.

Some IOBs can only form a scary shadow shaped like a man, and lurk about trying to frighten people. But they can't actually do anything other than jump out at you.

One of the homes don Juan hung out in on occasion had one of those to guard the house.

I've seen those, and there's even a technique in here for exposing them, although no one has duplicated it so far. You get them from "seeing energy on flat surfaces", by running your hand along the light, with the intention to make IOBs visible.

That's for finding them, not summoning them. That technique is unlikely to bring you one that wasn't there before.

I blame Cholita for our shadow man. I believe she got it when she ran away for a couple of weeks last year.

IOBs that we encounter here on this planet come from each of the 8 great bands, and don Juan said there are as many as there are organic beings on this world, mostly because organic beings only come from one band, and they come from 8.

I suspect, there are even IOBs who prefer insects. Even ants perhaps.

So no, they aren't demons. But they play one on TV.

(a joke, sort of).

The reason they so often look like our idea of a "demon" is that the kind humans most easily perceive form their appearance based on latent images in the minds of the viewers, and they can alter it based on the type of emotion they are trying to interact with.

Fear is the easiest, and over time we've all come to expect them to look like "demons".

But there are no demons. It's a fabrication. Sometimes accidental, but sometimes on purpose.

The Jewish Prophets probably misrepresented them on purpose. You have to study the history of that area, around 6000 years ago, to understand why they did it. It wasn't out of malice. And they didn't intend for their fabrication to spread to other cultures.

The Christians did that.

But it was a very rough place back then, and I presume they understood that a good story involving demons and a single God, could create some positive morals and stem the tide of violence in the middle east. Not to mention, the "single God" idea ran contrary to their worst enemy, who was responsible for a large amount of violence back then.

In the Jewish portion of the bible (the old testament), IOBs create specific moods in people. They're invisible under normal circumstances.

A demon of jealousy, a demon of lust. Those were always taking over kings in their storyline.

You can find long lists of specific Jewish demon types, in books influenced by Enochian magic (Jewish Prophet Sorcery which is the basis of most western magic).

So those of you who still feel the ugly hand of Christianity pulling on you, remember this:

There are no demons as described in the bible.

You can draw your own conclusions based on that, but you should verify it for yourself first.

Don't add even more inventory to your already cluttered mind.

See for yourself using Darkroom gazing.

And also, have a little common sense. In the Jewish bible, when a demon is described as almost human, it's just a man. Sometimes very tall, as in Noah's "giants". But Satan himself is supposed to be very dapper, and pleasing to look at.

They're just men, but in a non-organic body at the end of the world, and back in Noah's time, they could even impregnate women. So they were nearly identical to us, in that story.

The Chinese around that period had Kabuki like demons, in special shapes which these days are perfect for tiny action figures and video games. Didn't look anything at all like the Jewish demons.

Daoist and Buddhist demons also are rather highly decorated and stylish and have rulers and armies.

In the lower reaches of Chinese hell, the demons pick up their pitchforks to punish humans.

This view visited the Hellenist Jews (Rome), and was adopted by the early Christians, who created an exaggerated form of the Jewish demons based on Chinese mythology.

Instead of only affecting your mood, they could completely take you over and make you go into convulsions.

Jesus "rescued" people from those.

But since they don't exist, you can again draw your own conclusion.

Christianity became so infected with Chinese demon imagery, that today we have the picture of Satan in red fireproof long underwear, ruling over millions of Chinese style demons in a deep cavern. The cavern is also part of Chinese beliefs, and foreign to Judaism except in translated versions that don't clarify what they're talking about.

The word, "Hell" is actually 6 different words in the original languages. For 6 different things, one of them being a famous garbage dump outside Jerusalem.

It's not a cavern filled with angry demons at all.

I'm afraid to say that western magic is infected with this borrowed and untrue imagery, which should tell you something about western magic.

It's book dealed and nonsensical.

I suggest that as a witch, you make yourself a "familiar spirit".

Just because it's funny. IOBs like to please us, so "funny" is a positive to them.

Fairy's shape probably worked out so well, because I liked the heroine from "Dragon's Lair", a very early video game. So it was nice for both of us, and she did a very good job of holding that appearance for me.

But prior to that, under don Juan's control, she was very scary.

The first time a "demon" tries to scare you in the dark room, don't be afraid. Tell her she's welcome anytime. But that you could have a lot more fun with her, if she looked like a cat.

Try a Siberian. The Cheshire cat.

Little Smoke did that for me, although her first 2 tries were comical. She made herself into a Fairy, with a cat's hair all over her face.

But eventually she became a perfectly formed Siberian, and jumped up on the bed.

The bed even seemed to bounce.

There's too much to say about IOBs, but bottom line, they can push with a small amount of force.

Not enough to hurt you, but they could cause something to fall on you, if it only took a little force to push it off a place higher than you are.

Fancy has done that to get my attention.

The important thing to remember is: Humans need magic. They need fright. They need darkness. They need the unknown.

An IOB is far healthier for you, than any multi-vitamin you might be taking.

Plus, you get to have fun with other humans.

You can ask your spouse, "Honey, is it ok if I stare into the void all night, to find my own demon? We don't have any yet."

A demon is anything negative in common parlance. Real demons as in judeo christian are a different thing. It's somewhat rare to run into the real ones.

IOBs is a blanket term. Which I like. then you know you are just talking anything w/out a body. There are sooo many you could not categorize them. i have noticed that lots of them try to scare you right off. I force them to have a pleasing presence.

There are rock ones and tree ones and guardians of holy sites (got a pic of one of them, it attacked me). there are ones that ask for offerings as well. The one i ran into out in the sierras wanted a fish I caught.

Demons?, was the OP's title for this user-deleted post. And the content was:

Ok so maybe this is a stupid question And many people have very different understandings of this word but I've seen it used on this forum

Are IOB's demons? Or are they spirits? Is it just a general term encompassing those and more in between?

(And I don't mean demon in the biblical or religious sense (religious sense being an oxymoron 🤡) I mean more loosely the concept of a "negative" entity that seeks to do harm to or through another. Ill intentioned beings.)

Also why would an iob regardless of type (assuming they have types) want to help a human?

can any of them hurt us?

And can you choose who/what you work with or are you at the mercy of whatever shows up?

Questions from a complete novice who has yet to read the books (but I will!)

Thanks 🙏🏻🌟

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