It's always recommended to not sell yourself short and try the practices clean, to see if you really need help from entheogens.
People have been hoodwinked, and not just in this society, into believing that they need substances to experience more potent visionary states.
Just recently someone in here who may have aphantasia, experienced something very hyperphantastic. Our individual upbringing has a lot to do with what we expect from ourselves.
If you were home-schooled by Mormons in a predominantly white gated-community, then yes you could benefit from some assemblage point loosening magic mushroom tea.
But only at the start!
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u/Lovefromtheuniverse
2 points2021-05-23 11:33
it is fun too,sometimes
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
2 points2021-05-23 12:34
I'm not the best person to address that! But fun is important. The books had a strong streak of mirthful glee.
And the darkroom is a source of incredible novelty 🎉🤩🤯
Humor is a missing element in many of the me too nagual's spiels. More proof of how off-base they are.
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u/danl999
6 points2021-05-23 15:45
Someone pointed me to one the other day.
His web page was in Russian, but he had some English there too so people who speak English could see his amazing "credentials".
At the top was listed, "17 years as an impeccable warrior".
That's his claim to sorcery knowledge. He suffered a whole 17 years!
My page would say, "Ex-girlfriend is a fairy, current girlfriend is a Demon, Sky Spirit advistor, and Imp of the well guide. Plus angry witch who can walk through walls, housemate."
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u/danl999
9 points2021-05-23 15:38
You'll harm your chances to learn sorcery if you do too much of that.
It's complicated to explain how, but it's pretty much established in here, and in my 23 years of trying to teach sorcery to anyone I could get to try it.
The shroomers never learn any sorcery.
I think it's because shrooming is a lazy endeavor. It doesn't show a person has actual interest in sorcery.
Just in hallucinations. And grateful dead concerts.
(I dated Bear's lovely daughter.)
So when they try the real thing, namely darkroom gazing or chair silence, and realize you have to force silence so hard that blood drips from your nose, and then they think how easy it is to guzzle tea, they flake out.
And even in societies where "magic tea" is part of society, the shaman elders never learn to do what we do in here.
I'm afraid to say, it's the truth. Out there in the Shaman world, it's accepted that you don't actually visually see your spirit.
Suggesting you ought to brings out the "Shamanism Police" to beat you with bear claw nightsticks.
Ruby Modesto, the dreaming sorceress out at Morongo Reservation, was my first sorcery teacher. John the Devil's Weed guy my second.
I was only 12, but I at least understood what they could do, from the stories they told to Anthropologists.
Ruby could summon her spirit using Devil's Weed tea, and the entire tribe would gather around to get answers to questions, or spiritual advice.
Maria Sabina is a much more famous example of the same thing.
But neither woman could actually see their spirit.
Their assemblage points got pushed. And not very deeply on the J curve.
Mostly sideways.
So they had "weird stuff" happen, but never got far enough to fully interact with their "spirits".
Never enough to gain them as full fledged teachers of sorcery.
Maria's connection to her spirit was so poor, when she got her feelings hurt she lost contact. Or so she said.
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It's always recommended to not sell yourself short and try the practices clean, to see if you really need help from entheogens.
People have been hoodwinked, and not just in this society, into believing that they need substances to experience more potent visionary states.
Just recently someone in here who may have aphantasia, experienced something very hyperphantastic. Our individual upbringing has a lot to do with what we expect from ourselves.
If you were home-schooled by Mormons in a predominantly white gated-community, then yes you could benefit from some assemblage point loosening magic mushroom tea.
But only at the start!
it is fun too,sometimes
I'm not the best person to address that! But fun is important. The books had a strong streak of mirthful glee.
And the darkroom is a source of incredible novelty 🎉🤩🤯
Humor is a missing element in many of the me too nagual's spiels. More proof of how off-base they are.
Someone pointed me to one the other day.
His web page was in Russian, but he had some English there too so people who speak English could see his amazing "credentials".
At the top was listed, "17 years as an impeccable warrior".
That's his claim to sorcery knowledge. He suffered a whole 17 years!
My page would say, "Ex-girlfriend is a fairy, current girlfriend is a Demon, Sky Spirit advistor, and Imp of the well guide. Plus angry witch who can walk through walls, housemate."
You'll harm your chances to learn sorcery if you do too much of that.
It's complicated to explain how, but it's pretty much established in here, and in my 23 years of trying to teach sorcery to anyone I could get to try it.
The shroomers never learn any sorcery.
I think it's because shrooming is a lazy endeavor. It doesn't show a person has actual interest in sorcery.
Just in hallucinations. And grateful dead concerts.
(I dated Bear's lovely daughter.)
So when they try the real thing, namely darkroom gazing or chair silence, and realize you have to force silence so hard that blood drips from your nose, and then they think how easy it is to guzzle tea, they flake out.
And even in societies where "magic tea" is part of society, the shaman elders never learn to do what we do in here.
I'm afraid to say, it's the truth. Out there in the Shaman world, it's accepted that you don't actually visually see your spirit.
Suggesting you ought to brings out the "Shamanism Police" to beat you with bear claw nightsticks.
Ruby Modesto, the dreaming sorceress out at Morongo Reservation, was my first sorcery teacher. John the Devil's Weed guy my second.
I was only 12, but I at least understood what they could do, from the stories they told to Anthropologists.
Ruby could summon her spirit using Devil's Weed tea, and the entire tribe would gather around to get answers to questions, or spiritual advice.
Maria Sabina is a much more famous example of the same thing.
But neither woman could actually see their spirit.
Their assemblage points got pushed. And not very deeply on the J curve.
Mostly sideways.
So they had "weird stuff" happen, but never got far enough to fully interact with their "spirits".
Never enough to gain them as full fledged teachers of sorcery.
Maria's connection to her spirit was so poor, when she got her feelings hurt she lost contact. Or so she said.
A friend of Carlos covered her story.