Interesting Kasina (eye open) post I thought I'd share.

/r/Tulpas/comments/ne109o/independent_discovery_of_tulpas_through_kasina/

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u/danl999 3 points 2021-06-01 18:51

It sure goes to show how you need to avoid mixing intent from different sources.

This guy jumps to all kinds of conclusions which are logical, given the systems he's worked in.

But the destination is not going to be of any use for him.

He'll get "stuck in the mud".

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u/ShimmeringMind 2 points 2021-06-01 19:29

Yeah its not a good fit for him he'll limit himself if he sticks to the Tulpa folk. Some stuff I found interesting was purple smoke with lines he shot out also the progression to fully manifest his tulpa reminded me of the IOB ping pong technique you posted a bit.

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u/danl999 5 points 2021-06-01 19:53

I have a feeling he's greatly exaggerating, and also misrepresenting things.

He's just too "talented". Pressed, I'd estimate he's 80% likely to explode and reveal a bad player inside.

Also, the Tulpa folks have convinced themselves that pretending you experienced something, is the same as experiencing it.

It's the "daydreaming" realm, a very murky area.

You can't even get them to answer honestly whether something really happened, or they are just pretending it happened, or pictured it happening in their daydreaming.

That's a trait of people who believe it's all made up, and it's ok to make up whatever you like. Because the very purpose of their subreddit is making yourself feel good by sharing, and no one cares or even knows if what you are saying is harmful to people who are sincere about learning.

It's nearly impossible to get a simple answer from those folks, unless you draw them a picture and say, "Was it as real as you are looking at right there? As if that were really floating in front of your eyes, like a monitor showing a video?"

Then, you finally get a "Well, when you put it like that, no."

Even after days of trying to get them to answer. They finally completely reverse what they were saying, when you pin them down.

So when he says his spirit spoke, I wonder if he isn't actually exaggerating for effect, since that's ok where he's from.

I couldn't bear to read too much of it. It'll contaminate people who do. I work too hard to mix myself with bad intent.

But, did he explain how they talked, and whether there was really a voice or not?

Or he just said they did?

That would be the mark of pretending. Because the most interesting things are the details of "how is this possible????"

He seemed to take it all for granted. Didn't care how it was possible.

Did he explain how you can do it one day, and then the next you can't, and he hasn't figured out why?

I suppose we're all just experiencing that, because he's so talented and we're not?

How often could he do it? Anytime he liked? Or once in 6 months?

I suspect he says whatever he likes, as if it's not real and leads to nothing, so there's no harm in telling a good story.

No one even expects you to be accurate.

So we have to assume he's being honest when there's no reason to?

And that he's more talented than anyone who's come through here?

And he doesn't even need to make himself silent to accomplish it, whereas in here that's the only way to get it to work. And not mysteriously. A dark room gazer can tell you PRECISELY why you need to be silent.

It's mechanics, or technology. Not a random thing.

This account could simply be part of what holds people down.

Mud from the river of filth.

Don Juan had a better way to deal with all this nonsense, than I'm using.

He'd just agree. Yep. Interesting story.

But that's on the island of the Tonal.

Reincarnation? Island of the Tonal.

God? Just the chili sauce on the island of the tonal.

Heaven? The napkins.

What we want is outside all that. Outside everything you can think of, or talk about.

Good strategy!

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u/ShimmeringMind 1 points 2021-06-01 19:58

I dont think he's talented he seems to have been practicing Kasina (not sure on exact) for a few years from what I've read.

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u/danl999 3 points 2021-06-01 20:10

I wonder how far along Ingram is?

I also won't watch his stuff, but last time I actually read some he was just barely forming chi balls, and his 4 students could only perceive some smears of color.

Someone with the talent that guy seemed to have, should be forming power objects and traveling to other worlds.

It's kind of inevitable.

Unless maybe you can hang out between the green and red lines, and not go on any further because you didn't emphasize silence enough.

If you aren't emphasizing silence to the point that you are suffering horribly to get more, you hang out where the last level of visual magic you found lies.

And your assemblage point slides left and right, making use of it.

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u/ShimmeringMind 1 points 2021-06-01 20:17

I wonder how far along Ingram is?

I dont remember if this was eyes open or closed or both but in the books he mentioned what he called the 3rd and 4th screen. In the 3rd you manifest objects and in the 4th its basically going inside of the visions, I haven't seen anyone else off Ingram's website go to the 4th screen though.

Daniel mentioned that he eventually made a dragon with eyes opened somewhere in the book.

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u/danl999 6 points 2021-06-01 20:29

He's open eyes now. Not sure about back then.

Naturally, his guidance is slightly better than the Tulpa guy.

Buddhism goes very deep in its writings.

They're delusional in the end, and the temples are literally evil in most places, but their techniques and analysis are profound.

I checked up the Tulpa guy to see if he had anything for sale.

Couldn't find out, but his report was from years ago.

He doesn't do that anymore. Not seriously.

And again, if you stop doing darkroom, your abilities go away fast.

But he just casually tries something from that stuff he was doing once in a while, and seems to be instantly successful. As if his talent never fades.

I hope this subreddit never falls that low where it doesn't matter what you say because there's too much mud anyway.

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u/ShimmeringMind 1 points 2021-06-01 20:50

He seems to be a hardcore Buddhist (well not so hard-core since he's doing eyes open) so he might still be practicing.

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u/danl999 3 points 2021-06-01 21:05

The intent of Buddhism is to sit on a little Throne and lord it over everyone, meanwhile sucking up their money so you don't have to work.

Cholita even lived in the same house with one who insisted people had to bring him jewels and gold coins.

In the real world, it's a very ugly belief system.

Westerners have "sanitized it", usually not even noticing they were hoodwinked.

But you have to go to Asia to realize that.

In Tokyo for example, the Buddhist hierarchy is one of the most powerful political organizations. They collect expensive real estate, and use sexual blackmail to control politicians.

Same in Taiwan, which is sort of a "mini-japan", combined with a "mini-USA".

I used to talk freely about their doings in here, but then people take that and use it against me to try to explain why everyone should ignore this subreddit.

Once in a while I find out about that in private chat.

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u/ShimmeringMind 3 points 2021-06-01 21:09

I used to talk freely about their doings in here, but then people take that and use it against me to try to explain why everyone should ignore this subreddit.

Nah speak freely I have the same opinion on modern Buddhism it's a con.

Actually I have the same opinion on all religions to be specific.

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u/danl999 3 points 2021-06-01 21:45

Originally there's something cool going on, usually magic involving demons.

Then it gets book dealed.

What's sad in the west is, they don't see the ugly underbelly of Asian religious systems.

So while Daoism is absolutely absurd in Asia, over here it's well respected.

More than Christianity!

In Taiwan, if you mention "Daoist monk" the person will be thinking, "child molester", "guy hitting himself with nails until his head bleeds, to get more donations", "guy who lets kids toss firecrackers at him", and "Crackpot fortune teller".

Over here people think, "Oh, how wise!!!!!"

You'll get lynched by westerners for saying that in the wrong place.

Nutty westerners on ego trips even travel to Beijing to study with a "Daoist Master".

Can't have an honest talk with them, because they get ready to murder you.

A simple question like, "Who did he actually teach?" is off limits.

They don't want to know. They want a franchise.

Don't tell them the franchises all have roaches and rats.

They don't care.

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u/ShimmeringMind 3 points 2021-06-01 21:53

Westerners think everything from the east is automatic Gold. Religions of the East are masters of the Con next to those Mega Churches.

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u/danl999 4 points 2021-06-01 22:41

They have the mega churches there too.

The Taiwanese boss of the company I work for watches them.

There's a nutty looking Buddhist man with Marti Gras beads around his neck, and other ornamentation.

He looks like a drunken Zen master who prefers pastel colors over grey or black.

I don't speak enough mandarin to understand him, but it's obvious he really isn't saying much.

Same as our mega church guys.

He wants donations. He smiles reassuringly, explaining how you'll go to heaven.

No one in his audience is a serious practitioner of meditation.

In fact, doing that makes you either a western sucker, or a potential monk.

And potential monks are sad people in Asia. They aren't Mr. Goodygoody western man who's going to bring Buddhist knowledge back from Asia.

They just have no where else to go.

Some very poor people either give their kids to the Buddhists, or to the mafia.

The Buddhists dress them up in orange, molest them, and turn them into Temple workers.

The mafia guys cut an arm or leg off, and turn them into beggars. The missing limb gets more handouts.

Not so much anymore I'm told when I mention that in Taiwan.

But they still do in Thailand.

The Buddhist church enables a lot of the prostitution there in Thailand.

Sad skinny northern farm girls are lured in, covered in Buddhist precept tattoos, and put to work.

I used to misunderstand and think it was very nice that the monks would tattoo all that on the backs of the girls, for just $2.

They use a bone and some charcoal.

But in fact, they mark the girl as being almost a slave of the Buddhist Church.

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u/ShimmeringMind 2 points 2021-06-01 22:52

I'm a fan of reading Asain fantasy novels, what you just described is exactly how it is in there. It's really sad to be honest.

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u/danl999 4 points 2021-06-01 23:16

This one I'm not sure I understand at all, but back a few decades ago Taiwan decided to ban child prostitution. Maybe around the time martial law was lifted.

But the law provided for 10 "exceptions". 10 girls.

I tried to understand why there would be an exception, and was told it had something to do with politicians and the Buddhist church.

Japan went through a period of Buddhist church blackmail early on, and the people rebelled and had some kind of popular motto about throwing the Buddha out of Japan.

After they got their foot in the door, taking their place beside ancestor worship, the Buddhist church in Japan would commonly crucify Christians who came there to convert people.

To this day the "tea ceremony" girls at the Buddhist temples, average age 15, are the subject of rude sexual jokes, and it's said the tea ceremony is for wealthy businessmen. Except it's not just tea.

More "soft blackmail" I figure.

I'm always amused by american women who take up tea ceremony, not realizing it's an excuse for prostitution in Japan.

Does anyone really believe wealthy businessmen like to watch young women do tea ceremony for it's religious significance?

Carlos used to harp on the pope, and his sexual antics.

There were mummified fetus remains in the catacombs, from the nuns.

And the pope himself had lovers.

Amy would stand next to Carlos when he talked about it. He was amused by a book, "Sex Lives of the Popes".

I suppose he was trying to "de-catholic" her. And also put the idea in her head of a "spoiler" book, when he died. He sort of set her up to do that. If not completely.

I wish he'd known as much about sexual bad doings in the Buddhist church. He could have used that when the Europeans visited.

Instead, he tried to appeal to their common sense.

If you keep being reborn until you are "perfect", what exactly are you perfect for?

But they never got that.

They might have understood that men as bad as those who run the Buddhist church, aren't holy at all. And so, they are not enlightened either.

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u/ShimmeringMind 1 points 2021-06-01 23:25

As always it's used to hold power over others, more charlatans than enlightened masters. I'm fine if it's all abolished that's one of the things I can agree with Jacob Frank on

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u/danl999 3 points 2021-06-02 00:11

People still need funerals and marriages.

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u/selftransforming 2 points 2021-06-01 23:42

I get it, a lot of people find Asian religions exotic and because they don't know about the corruption, you sometimes need to rail against it to shock them out of their fantasies. But do we have to church bash all the time? I think most people who wander through here are already a little disillusioned by organized religion, western or eastern.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent 3 points 2021-06-02 00:03

You're right, it's a distracting (from practice) topic. But it's also often brought up by new people, who still cling to their illusions.

We can then point them to posts like this one.

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u/danl999 4 points 2021-06-02 00:23

Actually it caused me to realize something very important.

I'll try to make a post of it, but I need the references from the books, because no one is going to accept it.

As for church bashing, Carlos did that. You could almost count on it each private class.

I only copy what Carlos did, even if it seems I'm making it up as I go along.

However, he had a comedy routine. It was very funny when he bashed churches!

I'm just not very funny so it's become tedious.

Carlos didn't so much at workshops. Or at least, I can't recall any church bashing at workshops.

But that was "the new crop", and what he was really after was to pull the hardest working from workshops, and bring them to private class.

I suspect once he got them into private class, he partially wanted to aggravate anyone that would get aggravated over religion, so they'd go away. So the church bashing took place there.

It's really, really, really hard to learn sorcery.

Only 1 in 100 will be willing to even try.

There's absolutely no benefit at all to the other 99 hanging around.

It's not a church afterall...

(A joke).

I'll post the results of today's church bashing tomorrow, and you can see for yourself.

I hadn't realized it yet.

If I'm lucky, I'll even ask Lily about it.

But last night, she only showed up for a minute or two.

The night before, she was telling me how the old seers used the inorganic beings realm like a museum of sorcery techniques. Sometimes they were going in and out of there like it was their own private warehouse.

It was part of her "Stories that should never be told".

Didn't Crowley have a book with that title???

And wasn't it supposedly originated with a demon?

Wasn't my idea. Blame Lily.

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u/ShimmeringMind 1 points 2021-06-01 20:20

Someone with the talent that guy seemed to have, should be forming power objects and traveling to other worlds.

That guy mentions it in a comment not from that post that he usually visits landscapes or forests. I kinda skimmed his history to check him out. That would be 4th screen by Ingram's standards.

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u/danl999 5 points 2021-06-01 20:47

There's a mystery hidden in all this.

How come the "Men of Knowledge" never learned to see?

The old seers were up to their ears in seeing. They even found the Eagle.

They also saw you could stretch your luminous shell, which means they could visually look right at it.

Meanwhile the men of knowledge were spending a full year just mixing up some drugs, to visit with Little Smoke.

Cholita had Little Smoke following her around in an art supply store! Just the way the old seers interacted with their allies.

It was so common for Little Smoke to follow Cholita like a puppy dog, I've been looking through some old pictures hoping to catch a shot of him.

In his daylight fully visible form, he's just a puff of smoke. But it's "real". Nothing "submerged" about the sight.

So your Tulpa guy got that far, and gave up on it years ago.

He never felt there was anything "real" about it, or I have to think he'd keep going.

Ingrams framing everything in Buddhist terms. I highly doubt he'll get where we're going.

But they did get somewhere along the J curve. Far below the green line for sure.

Carlos kept emphasizing, "The Intent of the Sorcerers of Ancient Mexico" in his final books.

To the point that it was even a little embarrassing to me that he kept repeating it.

I believe now, he was literally worried about multiple things.

First problem he told me: No one believes me.

We've fixed that already. With the help of the internet.

But that apparently wasn't the last of his worries.

One of them being, even if you practiced his techniques diligently you could still derail yourself somewhere along the line, by believing outside things that don't lead there.

You have to stick only to that specific intent.

Which is not a philosophy.

It's an external force not controlled by us, but rather than by the left over intent of the old seers.

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u/ShimmeringMind 3 points 2021-06-01 21:00

In his daylight fully visible form, he's just a puff of smoke. But it's "real". Nothing "submerged" about the sight.

The puff of smoke you mentioned is it like a black puff of smoke in daylight?

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u/danl999 7 points 2021-06-01 21:36

No, white.

But there are black puffs of smoke traveling around in the streets in daylight.

They're rarer. And I haven't seen any as small as Little Smoke.

But she's so small, you wouldn't notice her crossing a street.

The only black ones I've seen are as tall as an elementary school kid.

I have no idea what they are.

I suppose they're ALL inorganic beings, since they seem to be alive, and have no organic body.

The same way you will eventually see faint lines around your torso, when you do the finger wiggling thing, you'll see stuff outside in daylight.

It's "submerged". I don't know how to explain that, but the finger wiggling will eventually teach you about that.

There are some things we can literally see, and dismiss.

Automatically.

You have to fight the urge to ignore it.

The puffs in the street are often like that.

But many things are.

Shadow men for example.

You turn your head in the office, and see a shadow of a man run across the doorway.

I don't mean, you "think you see it".

I mean, it's as clear as anything else you can see.

But it "doesn't compute". It's a completely black man shape. No details at all.

Almost like a cutout.

So you shake your head a very tiny bit, your eyes jiggle, and you forget you saw it.

Until you can get silent, and then you "snap out of it", and remember seeing that.

And you wonder why you wanted to ignore it.

Black dots are like that. Fancy likes to show up as a black dot, which moves like a fly so large, it would be a world record.

Except it can change angles of movement very sharply, in a way that is not possible for physical matter.

Except those UFOs they've been filming for the last few decades, and hiding from us.

Maybe they have "no momentum", because they have no organic matter.

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u/monkeyguy999 2 points 2021-06-02 09:37

I detest the tulpa subreddit normally, it is more like a circle jerk than anything. Not to mention people egging on bad habits to everyone else. and espousing purposely creating multiple personality disorders.

this guy seems to have run across dark / dim room / eye open / gazing. Which is interesting. Of course, now he has split his personality (instead of cleaning it up) and has an unruly personality running about in his head. And externally, as far as manifesting goes. Exactly why you don't create viz / energy manifestation with human forms (in general) and keep them around 24/7, feeding them energy all day every day... While not controlling them at all.

Iob's tend to take them over and give them whatever personality they want w/out permission. Want a serial killer in your head? (extreme example) Or an iob that wants to control your body all the time? Lots of folks over in that sub, literally give the Iob or split personality turns driving their body during the day.

Anywho, interesting but a can of worms.