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the actual silence comes from "Not Doing" , not by forcing it . forcing mind to stop is like holding poo . it can only be delayed , and it will explode some day . not every one can force stop the mind and remain sane.
so how to become good at Not Doing ? we can cheat a little , using tools from yoga , i tried so many meditations , but there is a meditation called
isha kriya
also watch this two talks about silence , from Osho , and
from Sadhguru
a couple of hours ago , i was just sitting , i just decided to Do Nothing , and just watch , very quickly i went into this wavy relaxy state , my eyes got closed and vibrations was about to become more , but i got interrupted by my cousin 🙁. i was really getting somewhere deep .
anyways , also , Sadhguru is the closest thing to Don Juan you can find online , he is not as powerful as Don Juan , but he is still on earth and you can definitely benefit from his talks at least , he also has an app and free yoga videos.
the title of this post is also a quote from sadhguru , osho also said something like this.
thanks for reading !
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i dont care if i go crazy,im already not a very ,,stable,, person,maybe i want to,see what happens
None of that is true.
And those guys are egomaniacs.
The weakest darkroom gazer in here, blows either of them away in understanding.
Go listen to Shinzen. That guy is not an egomaniac. And he talks openly and tries to teach others for real.
He says forcing yourself silent is the fastest path to enlightenment.
As do several western Buddhist masters these days.
It's common knowledge because of the internet.
But, you seem to be rather careless!
You've set yourself up to be confused and puzzled and lost, without doing any basic homework. And are trying to spread your confusion to others, to get attention for yourself.
Can you point me to any web page where either Sadhguru or Osho, ever taught anyone?
No.
No one learns from them. They just yap, yap, yap, and take donations. And even their "yapping' is nothing but re-runs.
Did it ever occur to you to check out where the person you are trying to learn from, has ever actually taught anyone?
Doesn't that seem like what you should do first, before you start listening to their videos?
Verify if they are a fraud or not?
Look in here.
That's what you should see. A little community of people doing magic.
Not talking.
Magic that no one would believe, unless they also did that.
Otherwise, if they can't teach, why would you listen to them?
I'm afraid, even Yogananda won't stand up to a reasonable analysis of his level of knowledge.
He never taught anyone either.
The Buddha on the other hand, does stand up!
We have accounts of what his students (disciples) learned to do.
But then, the whole thing got corrupted.
o common man ! what about Not Doing? as you know Don Genaro had a teaching about Not Doing !
and that is basically what Osho or Sadhguru are saying , it's the same thing , explained for idiots . i understand their explanation better , and so many other beginners also .
Understanding isn't the point at all.
No amount of understanding sorcery will get you any closer to doing it.
This is such a basic thing. How come you didn't learn that yet?
Let me try to explain better.
Understanding is a function of the internal dialogue, and self-reflection.
Those hold the assemblage point in this position, where magic and sorcery is impossible.
You have to completely shut off your internal dialogue, and forget the understanding, before the assemblage point can even move a tiny bit.
Because your "thought loop" is directing the assemblage point to this world.
It's like the dial on the radio. And you keep turning it to 99.
Each thought forces that knob to 99, because you only know about 99.
When you get rid of those thoughts, there's the possibility that the knob could move to a different channel.
But if you don't know another channel, you're screwed. You'll just move a tiny bit around 99, and things will get noisy and painful to listen to.
You have to be given another channel number to make it work.
Neither of those guys ever offered something else for their students to use, to focus their attention.
Because they have no knowledge of it.
They're just "understanders".
Talkers.
When you remove the thoughts, and focus on puffs of color, the assemblage point moves.
The puffs of color are the "other channel" in my analogy.
You "travel" through reality, by watching those puffs.
A "sorcery technique" consists of moving the assemblage point into new territory, then "feeling" how to do something, and not interfering with it so that it happens.
All we can do is not interfere. Otherwise, we can't do anything at all.
And notice I said, "it happens".
It happens from an outside source. Not from you.
An outside source sees how much work you did, looks in it's "Santa Claus" book (a joke), to see what particular path you are on.
It's all knowing. So it can look up what you have been seeking.
Then, it finds what would help you on that path, and it "gifts" you.
If you want to be a kooky Sadhguru and get lots of attention from others, cheating them out of money, it gifts you in how to be a total ego maniac, so you can con others out of their money.
But if you want to learn sorcery, it gifts you with sorcery style magic.
Understanding has nothing to do with any of it!
And you can't successfully run to Genaro, to find contrary info.
He's 100% simpatico with this subreddit.
We don't make mistakes like that in here, because we actually do what's written in the books.
You're sounding like an "inventory expert" trying to get attention based on what you "understand".
Did you read the bad player post? You really need to!
I had a private chat person comment the other day, after I started to theorize you could permanently ruin your chances to learn sorcery by listing to stuff like "Sadhguru".
It did seem a bit extreme to me too.
Until I thought about it more. Now I believe it's actually true.
But her response was she was trying to avoid dogma.
Meaning, she didn't understand what was happening in here yet.
There's no possible dogma, when you're using techniques which either produce magic, or they do not.
Dogma is connected to religions, where you pretty much NEVER get to see anything work as promised. And have to wait for death.
You can have "wrong ideas", but those get corrected when they have a harmful effect on doing actual magic.
So dogma is impossible with sorcery.
i also mentioned my experience in my post , and dude this is not a fight .
also having some attention and talking and understanding , creates motivation . good for beginners .
Typical bad player.
Not interested in learning.
Only interested in posting and chatting and getting "respect".
Can you please go elsewhere?
There's plenty of places like you describe as beneficial. Where people are "sharing" in the manner you suggest.
Can't we let just one place survive, where people actually learn, instead of doing nothing but mental masturbation?
(The words of Carlos, not mine).
Here, you pretty much ignore any argument I make, which is the worst sign of a bad player.
Pretending to discuss, but you ignore any points you don't like.
And then you just add some more suffering to the mix, to try to blackmail the other person to let you alone.
BUT, I'll try to reason with you again.
Don't ignore this point.
How many people like you, should we have in here?
People who post stuff designed to add doubt and confuse others, on purpose, and with a tinge of anger in it, that you don't get the respect you deserve.
One?
Ok, you can be the mascot!
But wait... I had this conversation 50 times before.
Should we let this place become like all other discussion groups, dominated by attention seeking people with no knowledge of any kind?
Let the teachings of don Juan die, due to no one actually being able to do magic?
Or could you please go find a subreddit where you can get away with nonsense posting, in the name of sharing and community?
There's plenty of those!
You're only in here because you see the pictures, and sense there's real magic.
You're like the dog in that bad player post.
I once watched a dog in a park, wander up to a picnic.
No one knew who's dog that was. So no one would give him food.
But he got even.
He pissed on the picnic tables and even on one older man sitting in a wheelchair.
So like the dog in that bad player post, you're pissing anywhere you can to mark your territory in here.
Can't you go pee elsewhere?
ok , you really are destroying Carlos reputation . because only you can . you was his student .
you talking about angry persons , and you are the angriest person .
you also proved my post title is correct . trying to stop the mind will make you crazy .
you lost in your history with Carlos , and in your anger . and you attack people.
Can we do something about this person?
i get your points , it is about being practical , i posted about a method that worked for me . and i have tested it .
isn't that practical enough? not everybody has Carlos or Don Juan , we need to have other ways to grow.
Please post this in r/thenagual, they will love it
And those guys want to beat me up, so he'll be happy over there!
I wish Cholita would spend her time casting spells on bad players in here, instead of me.
Although I came in today, and found we have 2 new bad players.
So maybe the spell Cholita tried on me last night, is working?
She said, barely audible from behind a locked door, "The losers have to fight for the crumbs."
And repeated it in a different tone of voice each time.
Cholita's a fan of cryptic incantations.
You have a lot on your plate with this sub
I like it when I get help.
But Facebook is far worse.
The people who wander over there tend to be older, which I suppose proves what Juan and Lidotska were saying. Facebook is for older people.
And they're part of a vast Castaneda eco system, where everyone is cheating another guy, pretending to know sorcery, until all of them just make it seem normal to be a con artist.
People like this poster wander over to them, not even bothering to try to figure out if they actually know what they are saying, or have ever helped someone else learn.
Which is hard to argue against. Everything else out there, such as this guy's favorite "teachers" , is run by similar con artists.
But it still hurts a bit to tell a woman in her 50s, she's not actually helping people with her sorcery classes that never teach any actual magic.
Or that her boyfriend was not actually a private class member, and what he's teaching is harmful to others. Even with an Indian style headband, he's not actually a sorcerer.
I end up forced to do that, because they try to get me to "endorse" them publicly.
Osho in particular is a psychopath megalomaniac
Intent is what actually stops the monologue. Not us. But that won't happen without first demonstrating the specific effort needed to clue it in.
It also won't happen if your thoughts and actions are aligned with a system that doesn't recognize that is even possible.
correct, thanks, can you consider listening to the talks i linked? some deep wisdom is there.
I'd rather not.
I'm old enough now, have researched enough in the past, and have labored enough in here over the past two years to know that no amount of corroborative understandings or commonalities with other systems or teachers will help us achieve anything substantial in this one.
In fact, they impede it.
well said . thank you .
I listen to some of the sadhguru speeches and the only thing which is common for don juan and he would be laughing a lot.. yoga is totally different path comparing to nagualism, to make it similar is not getting a clue about both.. meditation is cool but only as one of the tools to gather silence and yes you can force it, as don juan told you gather it by intending to stop internal dialogue and we have to fight for it, there are no any magic not doing that can force it stop and you would be free, we are fighting for that, somewhere by forcing it, somewhere by relaxing and letting go, somewhere by meditation etc etc etc.. Osho, sadhguru, budda and other heroes they are not about magic its about personalities.. it differs from nagualism
Here's a Facebook post on this guy.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1923785907780520&set=a.1585701564922291
Bottom line: He's a repeat of crazy running guy, who tried to take over this subreddit some months ago.
It's a paranoid schizophrenic. Like Cholita.
Running crazy guy: Sorcery causes schizophrenia, and Carols Tiggs told him so.
Do nothing guy: Sorcery makes you go crazy, and Sadhguru says so.
Paranoid schizophrenics are fighting to avoid admitting their illness, because it's actually painful in the mind. They are famous for going catatonic. Lashing out in anger is a common treatment they use, to get rid of the pain they are feeling.
Rather than deny the illness, the strategy of most paranoid schizophrenics, these 2 seem to have decided it makes them more powerful.
It's because they're sorcerers.
Running crazy guy turned to drugs, which also helped with self-medication.
But didn't make him any easier to get along with.
I suggest, we need to simply get rid of these people before they explode. It's obvious they're here to cause trouble, with their first post.
Basically this guy attacked everyone in the subreddit, accusing them of being crazy.
But he did it "politely" enough that it seemed not to be so.
Trying to tiptoe around bullies is pointless.
We aren't trying to "save" lost people.
We're trying to reach a critical mass of actual magic through finding people willing to work hard.
The crazy men are useless to that, and even harm the efforts.
As they've done all over the Castaneda world.
I suspect that's a good portion of why the lineages hide themselves.
They get this sort of attack too.
And they aren't in the "lost soul" business.
If you stop your crazy, you go mind.
The only really useful thing to take away from the OP's links, that isn't derivative or repackaged/trademarked or loaded with unchallenged assumptions, is 'garbage into the mind=garbage out;' or be very selective with what media you consume.
If you're having trains of thought and behavior that you know you need to drop, trace the source of those, and prune it from your life; even if it's something that popular consensus agrees isn't a problem.
It's a problem for you. Be ruthless.
Addendum: the unpretentious (and unnecessarily shirtless) video in this post is more useful than these Sadhguru/Osho ones.
Just substitute emanations for water and it's directly applicable to us in here. Recap de-energizes the connections that ripple the water (emanations).