If practicing inner silence by forcing off the internal dialogue, at some point kinda sound can be heard in the silence. The sound is about the same as when people usually would think that it would have something to do with tinnitus. It's the best description I can give. This sound had been known to me from the exercises for a long time, and I had previously considered it a mere phenomenon, but recently I was able to discover a practical use. You can just swap this sound against the internal dialogue by focusing on this sound. Then it's no longer difficult to force inner silence. If the sound of silence becomes louder, the internal dialogue fades, and vice versa. I've experimented, it actually always works. Only in everyday life it can be difficult when you have to concentrate on other things. But as soon as other things no longer need attention, you can focus on the sound again, instead of boosting the inner dialogue. Maybe the most difficult part is finding that sound at all?
I've gotten to the point with this where it feels like the body is being pierced with needles. I remember reading about this needle feeling in the books. But there's more, like something's pressing in on the left side of the body. At least, that's what it feels like. It's also masked with fears and worries. In the past it would have made me depressed, but I've gotten rid of that by now. In fact, I enjoy this feeling. When you can let go of everything, nothing matters anymore. That's it. And thanks to u/danl999, some of his comments have helped me with this aspect.
You can also try to stay conscious by concentrating on the sound of silence while the body falls asleep. For that the sound can reach a level that makes you believe you're inside a hurricane. It's one way to reach the second attention. Provided that it succeeds, which wasn't often the case with me. But still often enough to make this claim. I haven't discovered the proper mechanism yet. It's still too random. Which is why I'll experiment with the sound of silence in the darkroom.
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If you focus on the sound enough you eventually will hear voices.
I focus on my 5 senses for my silence technique, for sight I use everything including the peripherals and for hearing I focus on that constant sound which gets lounder the more silent I am eventually you hear talking. I'm most adept at those 2 senses.
Nyei is in to sound lately. Seems like she hears stars talking to her.
My money is on IOBs, but maybe stars are in fact IOBs.
At any rate, second attention audio!
So maybe Nyei's dreaming technique, is essentially an audio one.
And you're good with that too.
Not that there's any connection, but I was just looking up the most common delusion types that paranoid schizophrenics suffer from.
I wanted to know if a weather change could trigger Cholita to be worse off.
Last time it rained she made it rain in my bedroom too, and then didn't remember doing it.
Turns out, audio hallucinations are the most common.
So at 1AM last night when I heard Cholita screaming loudly from her room, obviously angry with me, there wasn't much I could do about it.
She "hears" me say things I didn't say.
And then argues with me from the other end of the house.
I've been hearing a lot more sounds lately unfortunately by the time I wake up I barely remember what sounds I hear.
I'm hoping Nyei builds upon her sound techniques, and figures out how to make them lead to everything.
If we could add her star techniques to this subreddit, and map them on the J curve, that would allow more people to try it.
Listening hard is nearly the same thing as forcing silence.
It's really good for sure.
I wouldn't mind if someone did taste, smell and touch and see what can come from them.
I've had some luck with smell lately.
I wonder if there's "pastry sorcerers"?
Instead of "darkroom practice", they pile a stack of cakes and treats in front of themselves and play with the tastes for 3 hours.
So much application, we could probably have a j curve diagram for each sense. I can definitely eventually try to map out hearing.
You could do smell and hopefully others can add in the other senses and we see what's available at each stages with the different senses.
Nyei probably has hearing mapped already so you could ask her.
That's risky.
There's a barrier between the different "factions".
But I like the idea of mapping them!
I suppose I could include 2 or 3 smells on that J curve.
But not enough for anyone to make use of it.
I can't imagine what that would be like!
Do you need darkness, and instead of a puff you look for smell?
Sunlight is very distracting, so I still think darkness would help. Plus it "isolates" you from everything.
Yeah I still think doing it in darkness is best plus you'll have a know where on the j curve you are using the visual.
So it's more like sight + 1 more sense
Ah, good point.
So it would look like this?
You're smelling a baby diaper that needs changing.
You look on your J curve chart, and that's next to "the whorl".
So you look up to the right, and sure enough, there's "the whorl".
Smells like ....
That's perfect and with this no one should have any excuses not to J curve, even if you have a disability.
As for touch, there's an odd thing that happens with itchiness at the start.
It's an issue with the chair silence technique.
You actually end up in a "battle" with itchiness, until you, "wrestle" it.
Then it goes away.
Possibly it's actually the IOBs messing with you at that level.
I probably wrote about it over there, but essentially, with chair silence you are trying to learn what the second attention is, and what it feels like when the assemblage point moves.
Then at some point, when you are right on the edge of figuring it out, and can almost summon the second attention at will, you become so itchy you just have to move and scratch, which breaks the spell.
You lose the second attention.
Wrestling it consists of ignoring the itchiness, until you pass out in discomfort, trying to focus on the second attention instead of the itch.
It seems like you are wrestling a very long time.
But later you notice, if you just ignore the itching you fall into the second attention in 30 seconds or less, and all of the itching is gone.
Then, if you sit in that for awhile, you notice another "touch" thing.
You can't feel your legs. Or can't find your hands and arms.
You know they are on your lap, but you can't feel them at all.
Darn...
I'm convincing myself that touch is a viable path! Now I want to go back and make myself unable to feel my body!
Which might mean, a little training in each one, and then put them all to use in the darkroom as a "tool set".
As I used to meditate I'm familiar with the touching sensations.
It's as you described for me the progression went like this with some variations.
Itching
Scrawling feeling on skin
Tingling sensation all over body
Really intense sensation up spine ( can be low to high, If its high I usually had to stop as it made me contort a bit)
Tingling sensation stops
Feeling of Falling, going in circles
Breath Change
Losing body sensation
Gets a little harder to describe after this point
I agree it's a completely viable path I haven't focused on it much with eyes open I probably should.
I was just now walking outside, smelling things.
And I realized, you could make a "Five Senses Path".
Where you walk around, using all 5 senses to stop the internal dialogue.
It would just take a "master" of that path to draw it up. But "mastering" it would take a year or more.
Silvio Manuel did something like that for Carlos. Put him back to back with La Gorda, and had them listen all night long.
Said it would separate his sense of sound, from his sight.
Great name for it.
This is the path I've basically been following for silence but as you said it will take a while to master and I have no progress on smell and taste as yet.
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Do those voices you can hear also make sense? Useful stuff? I'm thinking of the dream ambassador. But I don't know.
On the occasion of this I've spontaneously googled the dream ambassador and found an article which belongs to the link below. It's for u/danl999. Is the guy who wrote this trustworthy? His website is quite big. But I've become cautious. Just yesterday, in silence, I realized how education poisons the mind. And how right this group in here is with not to mix intent with anything else. I could feel it.
https://www.matrixblogger.com/dream-archieve-the-labyrinth-of-penumbra/
Sometimes it's animal sounds, knocking, a word, getting full sentences is rarer and when I get them it's usually important but I tend to start forgetting what they were saying.
He looks sincere, but he's got a lot of outside stuff floating around in his mind.
And he's got his hand out for money.
Plus I don't see that anyone has read his stuff, and learned.
In that case, why not just pick the most famous yogi you can find, and read his stuff?
Or even better, since we have all the Castaneda we can handle in here, pick a very obscure person doing magic, maybe from the past, and read his stuff.
The "Facebook" river of filth is heavily tied up in hero worship.
Nothing to do with you finding this guy, but if they found him too, they'd be all over it.
I can't figure out the motivation.
For instance, what's the point of Yogananda?
He never taught anyone.
But he has a whole temple in one of the most expensive areas of LA.
Cholita loves the place.
Except, no one ever learns there.
At least, not what Yogananda was claiming.
Yep. Me too. Last night even.
However, the silence sound was so extreme it felt like the roof had collapsed on me.
So the technique became, I can hold silence if I notice that the roof fell on the entire room, and smothered it. Killing all inhabitants.
It was silent, because everything was buried in rubble.
But I suspect "secret techniques" are different for everyone.
So maybe you can't "speed people up" with this kind of advice.
We should all post it anyway, which is what I do.
Just describe what happens!
You don't have to apologize if darkroom events sound crazy. The only time you owe an apology is if you were making it up.
And don't try to justify things too much.
Look at Silvio Manuel's truly lame tensegrity passes.
He doesn't worry about justifying something.
Certainly don't worry about "proving" it's "real".
That's all "book deal worry", where you worry that your book deal will get bad reviews.
When the sound gets up to a rushing noise is the point of forgetting oneself. You had mentioned forgetting oneself in one of your comments. I hadn't noticed the connection at first. Maybe there are several stages of forgetting oneself?
It can be chosen whether or not the noise to get louder if one has stayed conscious enough. Usually one would flinch (because fear of death?) and the inner dialogue would take over immediately. Or falling asleep. That's why one has to keep really wanting.
Perhaps it never can be found the mechanism which triggers forgetting oneself. Too much part of intent.
There's no audio component to that for me.
But over time, maybe we'll collect information.
Nyei is teaching her star techniques, and I just ran into Kylie teaching how to get dark energy from stars!
Man...
The possibilities to specialize in sorcery are vast.
I have to say, I don't see the excitement coming from Nyei, there ought to be if her star techniques are working full on.
But maybe she's interacting with them in a non-visual way, like most shamans do with their power plant induced allies.
She might not realize, it can easily be a lot more vivid.
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