"For centuries mankind has shared its nightmares with monsters; strange and terrifying creatures that often defy description. We know them by their legends – the Yeti or Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the goblin – and even today new beings are invading our reality from this hidden dimension. We call them spacemen or aliens. But they all share ne thing: they tantalize and horrify.
It is as though the human mind needs the monsters science tries to deny us and has the ability to make strange creatures appear in a form that is acceptable to those sensitive people who receive them. But are these monsters real or imaginary?
In her determination to find the truth, Jenny Randles examines many case studies of different monsters from all over the world and subjects them to rigorous scrutiny to see what features they have in common which might enable us to draw conclusions about this extraordinary global phenomenon. Her evidence and arguments are drawn from explorers, scientists, psychologists, UFO investigators – people who have experiences monster sightings at first hand. From this wealth of material she reaches fascination conclusions about the origins of monsters – and the equation produces a startling new concept of reality in which our worst nightmares might in some sense be coming true . . . "
And her book Time Storms is superb, it really stood out in my mind when I read it years ago. It's rather expensive to source now, with weird price ranges $50-$560, and no Kindle eBook.
"The small unit of army conscripts had been sent on a two-day exercise into the inhospitable terrain above the small town of Putre in Chile.
The intention was to harden these inexperienced young troops for the rigours of military life. On the night of April 24, 1977, they were camped on a windswept plateau at Pampa Lluscuma, at a height of 12,000 feet.
In charge of the raw recruits was Corporal Armando Valdes. At 3.50am the recruit on guard duty, Pedro Rosales, saw something very odd. He called out to Valdes, who came immediately. What appeared to be two fuzzy violet lights were descending from the mountains and heading their way. The ground below was filled with an eerie glow.
Unsure if these were flares being used in a mock attack, Valdes sprang quickly into action. He ordered some of the men to screen the campfire with blankets to escape detection, and told the others to prepare their weapons. By now there was just one large fuzzy glow on the hill a few hundred yards away.
It sat there immobile for some minutes. Ignoring protests from his frightened charges, Valdes ordered them to cover him with their weapons while he went to investigate. As they crouched behind a nearby wall, rifles poised, he muttered a plea for God to protect him and headed into the darkness towards the purple glow. Within seconds the inky night had swallowed him up. Moments later, the glow disappeared too. The conscripts fell into stunned silence.
When their commander returned around 15 minutes later, something was clearly awry He approached the camp from behind - not from the direction in which he had just walked. He was also far from well. The startled soldiers saw him wandering as if in a trance, speaking in a voice that sounded like that of a sleepwalker. 'You do not know who we are or where we come from,' he said in a monotone, although later he never recalled uttering those words.
He reached the campsite, looking barely able to stand, and collapsed on the ground apparently unconscious. Having cared for him as best they could, the men waited for dawn. It was then that they noticed several very strange things about their stricken leader. Although they had seen him shave only hours earlier, he was now sporting several days' growth of beard. His watch had stopped at about 4.30am, the approximate time of his return to the camp, but the date display - which had to be wound on manually through 24 hours at a time to alter it - read April 30.
It was as if Valdes had lived through five days in under 15 minutes. Army commanders have confirmed the incident took place but say it is inexplicable. When Valdes regained consciousness, he appeared to be in a state of shock, with massive memory loss and no proper body co- ordination. Later, he described his lost minutes or days - as 'a void in my mind'."
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u/Marcelo_1964
2 points2021-10-24 16:25
Recuerdo en primera persona ese caso (el caso Valdés, como se lo conoce aqui) , porque lo seguí en la prensa. Yo soy Argentino, pais que limita con Chile, y en ese momento, en ambos paises habían dictaduras sangrientas en ellos y un conflicto limitrofe que casi llega a una guerra, por esa razón fue tan difícil el acceso para los investigadores , en este caso.
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u/Gnos_Yidari
2 points2021-10-25 03:29
¡Gracias por la confirmación! Para responder en español, debe utilizar Google Translate. Sin embargo, uno de los moderadores de este subreddit es de Argentina.
¡Debo usar Google para traducir!
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u/Marcelo_1964
1 points2021-10-25 21:15
A thousand apologies !, I thought I could write directly in Spanish, I will do it all via google trnaslate. Thank you !
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u/Gnos_Yidari
1 points2021-10-23 14:55
This is one of the other 6-7 accounts in that page of excepts
"IN 1995, in a small factory in Florida, a lone security guard was going
about his nightly duties. Having performed his rounds, he settled in
to watch the security monitors.
On one of the screens, he noted one of the workers walking towards the
building's rear gate through the loading bay. As the security guard
continued to watch, he suddenly saw a strange, fuzzy white glow appear
and cover the area where the factory worker was standing.
It caused a kind of electromagnetic interference which briefly affected
the quality of the picture on the screen. The glow continued for a few
seconds and then disappeared, as suddenly as it had arrived. When it had
gone, the cameras returned to working normally - but the man had
disappeared.
A later frame-by-frame analysis of the security videotape shows the
factory worker's near-instant disappearance, swallowed up by the glow.
The security guard reports that he went to search for his colleague,
but could not find him anywhere. He was at a complete loss to explain
what had happened.
EVENTUALLY, he returned to his post in front of the security monitors.
Then, one hour and 50 minutes later, as he continued to watch the
screens, to his great astonishment he saw the missing worker return.
Again, the videotape tells the full amazing story. All the factory
lights go out, a fuzzy glow re-appears and within a fraction of a second
the man can be seen within this light as the glow rapidly fades.
He is in distress and on all fours. Moments later he lurches forward
and is violently ill.
The security guard, seeing the worker staggering about in this
disoriented way, went out to help him. The stunned man could recall
nothing of his ordeal: he had a two-hour gap in his memory."
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u/Gnos_Yidari
1 points2021-10-23 15:07
Couldn't resist including the other standout account from that page
"On December 31,1987, Mrs Bensson was awoken in the night by her pet
cat and dog behaving restlessly. She let them out into the garden
believing this was what they wanted. But once outside they seemed
terrified and desperate to be let back in.
Unable to see what the problem was, she pulled on her dressing gown
and stepped outside. To her horror, she saw her little dog shaking with
fear beside a foggy ice-blue shape surrounded by a grey-orange mist.
From the base of this foggy shape, large sparks or miniature lightning
bolts seemed to be entering the soil. By now Mrs Bensson was frightened
and moved to grab her dog. Immediately, she began to feel very strange.
Her head started pounding as if it was about to explode and her jaw
began to ache. A sensation of pins and needles overtook her body. Mrs
Bensson tried to call out to her husband, but was paralysed.
Unable to move, she was aware of a psychological change overtaking
her, as if her mind was being sucked out of her body. She seriously felt
that she was dying. Meanwhile, Mr Bensson had woken up. He could hear a
strange humming or buzzing sound and went to investigate.
His wife was barely aware of his arrival, but recalls having just
felt a sharp pain in the base of her neck. It was as if someone was
sticking a needle in that part of her body.
At the same moment, the blue fog disappeared as suddenly as it had
arrived. All that was left was a pungent smell in the air, like sulphur.
Stranger still, both the cat and the dog were sitting on the ground,
staring into space as if hypnotised. Mrs Bensson was following their
gaze and appeared to be in a deep trance, from which it took several
minutes to rouse her.
She was left bedridden for several days, suffering from a severe
migraine and deep nausea. Her husband discovered that her jumper had
melted, and tests following a police investigation revealed that a
powerful electrical discharge had struck her body and heated the
jumper's fibres."
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u/IndridColdwave
7 points2021-10-23 15:38
I think the mods of this page might find this subject impractical, but this is a subject I’ve thought about a lot. I’ve wondered if the things we call “aliens” are the layman’s encounter with different types of IOB, or even the old sorcerers in some form. Perhaps both.
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u/danl999
6 points2021-10-23 17:28
Of course!
Also demons and angels.
The IOBs have started all the religions I'm aware of. Because during the first few times you can perceive them, they make up all sorts of stories about who or what they are, in order to get the best interaction.
Which tells you, "the saints" are inept. Saw them only a few times, for the same reasons we have trouble getting consistent results. It takes huge amounts of work!
Or, they saw some, and thought, "How damn!!! Now I can finally write that scroll and make a fortune!"
HOWEVER, there are in fact real aliens out there...
The ones in the news lately look like AI probes to me. Nothing alive in them.
But sent by real aliens.
Which, unfortunately, would repeat history for sorcerers.
The Toltecs had their alien encounter, and had to go into hiding. Which made them even better sorcerers.
Maybe we'll have that happen also!
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u/ODx2
1 points2021-10-24 07:07
so there are also real aliens ? not only iobs ?
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u/danl999
2 points2021-10-24 17:31
Of course!!!
Don't you watch the TV news? It's all come out in the last few months.
We've been swimming in them for decades. Several sightings of impossible drone vehicles per day.
Censored by the military.
Of all governments, it would seem.
Just google it.
You'll see them in military plane videos.
The "Flier" Carlos found looks like one of them to me.
And navy ships make videos of them too.
They seem to like to look around nuclear powered things.
But it's not surprising, if you're a fan of don Juan.
He says so at least once. That the universe is highly populated with both types of beings.
I guess the big surprise would be that the aliens learned to travel faster than light, or that they live thousands of years so that they can visit here.
BUT, those "aliens" look like mechanical probes to me.
I don't see any signs of a living being.
More like, artificial intelligence.
Maybe their owners are long gone?
Or, we're on the "lunch menu".
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u/ODx2
2 points2021-10-24 20:06
many times you humor baffles me 😂
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u/danl999
3 points2021-10-24 20:12
Autistic humor.
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u/ODx2
1 points2021-10-28 07:37
autistic sorcerers 😂
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u/Marcelo_1964
1 points2021-10-24 16:18
Buenas tardes a todos, esta es mi primer incursión en Reddit
¿ Y si el relato de la lucha de los videntes con los conquistadores fuera un recuerdo del futuro, legado por Don Juan y Carlos para advertirnos ?
La inclusión de los voladores en un capitulo de su último libro me pareció muy llamativo y preocupante.
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u/Gnos_Yidari
1 points2021-10-25 03:35
Esa es una forma interesante de verlo. ¡Espero que no obtengamos una prueba de primera mano de eso!
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u/ODx2
1 points2021-10-24 17:56
have anyone read about animals from farms were found dead and had removed parts very precise without any signs of blood around ?
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u/Gnos_Yidari
2 points2021-10-25 03:32
That particular paranormal occurrence is not very relevant to this sub. Doesn't mean it's not interesting, just not that relevant.
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u/ODx2
1 points2021-10-25 03:51
yes its not .
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u/ExcitingMeOvo
1 points2021-11-10 00:48
how can it happen?
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u/ODx2
2 points2021-11-10 00:54
no idea I stop bother with staff I have no answer to them. we look explanations all the time and make theories but theories are just theories to keep you occupied. like God etc. is like reading about string theory it's a theory you just read it is not experience qnd if you let experience being organised by existing theory you missing a lot .maybe I'm wrong though .
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u/ExcitingMeOvo
2 points2021-11-10 01:24
no,you're right, we creating theory and looking for it, something only exists in its own self-sustain system, a waste of time, born because we're all bored
22 Comments
Published in 1990
"For centuries mankind has shared its nightmares with monsters; strange and terrifying creatures that often defy description. We know them by their legends – the Yeti or Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the goblin – and even today new beings are invading our reality from this hidden dimension. We call them spacemen or aliens. But they all share ne thing: they tantalize and horrify.
It is as though the human mind needs the monsters science tries to deny us and has the ability to make strange creatures appear in a form that is acceptable to those sensitive people who receive them. But are these monsters real or imaginary?
In her determination to find the truth, Jenny Randles examines many case studies of different monsters from all over the world and subjects them to rigorous scrutiny to see what features they have in common which might enable us to draw conclusions about this extraordinary global phenomenon. Her evidence and arguments are drawn from explorers, scientists, psychologists, UFO investigators – people who have experiences monster sightings at first hand. From this wealth of material she reaches fascination conclusions about the origins of monsters – and the equation produces a startling new concept of reality in which our worst nightmares might in some sense be coming true . . . "
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/51037646-mind-monsters
And her book Time Storms is superb, it really stood out in my mind when I read it years ago. It's rather expensive to source now, with weird price ranges $50-$560, and no Kindle eBook.
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg60495.html
"The small unit of army conscripts had been sent on a two-day exercise into the inhospitable terrain above the small town of Putre in Chile.
The intention was to harden these inexperienced young troops for the rigours of military life. On the night of April 24, 1977, they were camped on a windswept plateau at Pampa Lluscuma, at a height of 12,000 feet.
In charge of the raw recruits was Corporal Armando Valdes. At 3.50am the recruit on guard duty, Pedro Rosales, saw something very odd. He called out to Valdes, who came immediately. What appeared to be two fuzzy violet lights were descending from the mountains and heading their way. The ground below was filled with an eerie glow.
Unsure if these were flares being used in a mock attack, Valdes sprang quickly into action. He ordered some of the men to screen the campfire with blankets to escape detection, and told the others to prepare their weapons. By now there was just one large fuzzy glow on the hill a few hundred yards away.
It sat there immobile for some minutes. Ignoring protests from his frightened charges, Valdes ordered them to cover him with their weapons while he went to investigate. As they crouched behind a nearby wall, rifles poised, he muttered a plea for God to protect him and headed into the darkness towards the purple glow. Within seconds the inky night had swallowed him up. Moments later, the glow disappeared too. The conscripts fell into stunned silence.
When their commander returned around 15 minutes later, something was clearly awry He approached the camp from behind - not from the direction in which he had just walked. He was also far from well. The startled soldiers saw him wandering as if in a trance, speaking in a voice that sounded like that of a sleepwalker. 'You do not know who we are or where we come from,' he said in a monotone, although later he never recalled uttering those words.
He reached the campsite, looking barely able to stand, and collapsed on the ground apparently unconscious. Having cared for him as best they could, the men waited for dawn. It was then that they noticed several very strange things about their stricken leader. Although they had seen him shave only hours earlier, he was now sporting several days' growth of beard. His watch had stopped at about 4.30am, the approximate time of his return to the camp, but the date display - which had to be wound on manually through 24 hours at a time to alter it - read April 30.
It was as if Valdes had lived through five days in under 15 minutes. Army commanders have confirmed the incident took place but say it is inexplicable. When Valdes regained consciousness, he appeared to be in a state of shock, with massive memory loss and no proper body co- ordination. Later, he described his lost minutes or days - as 'a void in my mind'."
Recuerdo en primera persona ese caso (el caso Valdés, como se lo conoce aqui) , porque lo seguí en la prensa. Yo soy Argentino, pais que limita con Chile, y en ese momento, en ambos paises habían dictaduras sangrientas en ellos y un conflicto limitrofe que casi llega a una guerra, por esa razón fue tan difícil el acceso para los investigadores , en este caso.
¡Gracias por la confirmación! Para responder en español, debe utilizar Google Translate. Sin embargo, uno de los moderadores de este subreddit es de Argentina.
¡Debo usar Google para traducir!
A thousand apologies !, I thought I could write directly in Spanish, I will do it all via google trnaslate. Thank you !
This is one of the other 6-7 accounts in that page of excepts
"IN 1995, in a small factory in Florida, a lone security guard was going
about his nightly duties. Having performed his rounds, he settled in
to watch the security monitors.
On one of the screens, he noted one of the workers walking towards the
building's rear gate through the loading bay. As the security guard
continued to watch, he suddenly saw a strange, fuzzy white glow appear
and cover the area where the factory worker was standing.
It caused a kind of electromagnetic interference which briefly affected
the quality of the picture on the screen. The glow continued for a few
seconds and then disappeared, as suddenly as it had arrived. When it had
gone, the cameras returned to working normally - but the man had
disappeared.
A later frame-by-frame analysis of the security videotape shows the
factory worker's near-instant disappearance, swallowed up by the glow.
The security guard reports that he went to search for his colleague,
but could not find him anywhere. He was at a complete loss to explain
what had happened.
EVENTUALLY, he returned to his post in front of the security monitors.
Then, one hour and 50 minutes later, as he continued to watch the
screens, to his great astonishment he saw the missing worker return.
Again, the videotape tells the full amazing story. All the factory
lights go out, a fuzzy glow re-appears and within a fraction of a second
the man can be seen within this light as the glow rapidly fades.
He is in distress and on all fours. Moments later he lurches forward
and is violently ill.
The security guard, seeing the worker staggering about in this
disoriented way, went out to help him. The stunned man could recall
nothing of his ordeal: he had a two-hour gap in his memory."
Couldn't resist including the other standout account from that page
"On December 31,1987, Mrs Bensson was awoken in the night by her pet
cat and dog behaving restlessly. She let them out into the garden
believing this was what they wanted. But once outside they seemed
terrified and desperate to be let back in.
Unable to see what the problem was, she pulled on her dressing gown
and stepped outside. To her horror, she saw her little dog shaking with
fear beside a foggy ice-blue shape surrounded by a grey-orange mist.
From the base of this foggy shape, large sparks or miniature lightning
bolts seemed to be entering the soil. By now Mrs Bensson was frightened
and moved to grab her dog. Immediately, she began to feel very strange.
Her head started pounding as if it was about to explode and her jaw
began to ache. A sensation of pins and needles overtook her body. Mrs
Bensson tried to call out to her husband, but was paralysed.
Unable to move, she was aware of a psychological change overtaking
her, as if her mind was being sucked out of her body. She seriously felt
that she was dying. Meanwhile, Mr Bensson had woken up. He could hear a
strange humming or buzzing sound and went to investigate.
His wife was barely aware of his arrival, but recalls having just
felt a sharp pain in the base of her neck. It was as if someone was
sticking a needle in that part of her body.
At the same moment, the blue fog disappeared as suddenly as it had
arrived. All that was left was a pungent smell in the air, like sulphur.
Stranger still, both the cat and the dog were sitting on the ground,
staring into space as if hypnotised. Mrs Bensson was following their
gaze and appeared to be in a deep trance, from which it took several
minutes to rouse her.
She was left bedridden for several days, suffering from a severe
migraine and deep nausea. Her husband discovered that her jumper had
melted, and tests following a police investigation revealed that a
powerful electrical discharge had struck her body and heated the
jumper's fibres."
I think the mods of this page might find this subject impractical, but this is a subject I’ve thought about a lot. I’ve wondered if the things we call “aliens” are the layman’s encounter with different types of IOB, or even the old sorcerers in some form. Perhaps both.
Of course!
Also demons and angels.
The IOBs have started all the religions I'm aware of. Because during the first few times you can perceive them, they make up all sorts of stories about who or what they are, in order to get the best interaction.
Which tells you, "the saints" are inept. Saw them only a few times, for the same reasons we have trouble getting consistent results. It takes huge amounts of work!
Or, they saw some, and thought, "How damn!!! Now I can finally write that scroll and make a fortune!"
HOWEVER, there are in fact real aliens out there...
The ones in the news lately look like AI probes to me. Nothing alive in them.
But sent by real aliens.
Which, unfortunately, would repeat history for sorcerers.
The Toltecs had their alien encounter, and had to go into hiding. Which made them even better sorcerers.
Maybe we'll have that happen also!
so there are also real aliens ? not only iobs ?
Of course!!!
Don't you watch the TV news? It's all come out in the last few months.
We've been swimming in them for decades. Several sightings of impossible drone vehicles per day.
Censored by the military.
Of all governments, it would seem.
Just google it.
You'll see them in military plane videos.
The "Flier" Carlos found looks like one of them to me.
And navy ships make videos of them too.
They seem to like to look around nuclear powered things.
But it's not surprising, if you're a fan of don Juan.
He says so at least once. That the universe is highly populated with both types of beings.
I guess the big surprise would be that the aliens learned to travel faster than light, or that they live thousands of years so that they can visit here.
BUT, those "aliens" look like mechanical probes to me.
I don't see any signs of a living being.
More like, artificial intelligence.
Maybe their owners are long gone?
Or, we're on the "lunch menu".
many times you humor baffles me 😂
Autistic humor.
autistic sorcerers 😂
Buenas tardes a todos, esta es mi primer incursión en Reddit
¿ Y si el relato de la lucha de los videntes con los conquistadores fuera un recuerdo del futuro, legado por Don Juan y Carlos para advertirnos ?
La inclusión de los voladores en un capitulo de su último libro me pareció muy llamativo y preocupante.
Esa es una forma interesante de verlo. ¡Espero que no obtengamos una prueba de primera mano de eso!
have anyone read about animals from farms were found dead and had removed parts very precise without any signs of blood around ?
That particular paranormal occurrence is not very relevant to this sub. Doesn't mean it's not interesting, just not that relevant.
yes its not .
how can it happen?
no idea I stop bother with staff I have no answer to them. we look explanations all the time and make theories but theories are just theories to keep you occupied. like God etc. is like reading about string theory it's a theory you just read it is not experience qnd if you let experience being organised by existing theory you missing a lot .maybe I'm wrong though .
no,you're right, we creating theory and looking for it, something only exists in its own self-sustain system, a waste of time, born because we're all bored