In Buddhism they believe in rebirth and the 31 planes are just ways you could be reborn. No where did I see any claim Buddha was visiting these planes other than in his mind. Which would be an illusion just like the one you see before you
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u/[deleted]
2 points2021-12-11 23:23deleted
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u/peaceismynature
1 points2021-12-11 23:24
But why and why do you presume doing so isn’t possibly dangerous
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-11 23:30deleted
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u/peaceismynature
1 points2021-12-11 23:32
You speak of intent but seem to not have a true one. What is the intention of delving into such hallucinations and figments of them mind. It’s dangerous to play with fire is all I know. And this in my opinion seems just like playing with fire. You don’t know what you’re doing unless it is you have an intention for doing it before you choose to try. Is that what this intent is all about. My intent is the truth
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u/[deleted]
2 points2021-12-11 23:34deleted
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u/danl999
2 points2021-12-11 23:44
So this new bad player, engaged in enraged rapid posting (which will cause him to be banned when Techno notices it) has a defender?
You came along with him?
Since you piped in, put your money where your mouth is!
Can you point to any place where people can actually make Dzogchen work?
As far as I've seen, there's only Ingram.
I long for more, but there isn't. The Dzogchen people actually attack Ingram.
You can't point to a single place like this for Dzogchen.
Where an intelligent and unbiased person can look and see what's going on.
There's nothing like that for Buddhism, or the 4000 people in here would have seen it, and called it to our attention.
So why are you pretending to be superior?
You're following a pretend, modern religion, made up to get money from naive city dwellers.
Or maybe you can point to a web page where people are learning?
And in case you didn't notice, the Buddha was a putz.
Clueless.
Not wise at all, unless you're stuck dwelling in cities, and never even have a chance to actually explore infinity.
He's wise to old grandmas.
True, he seems to have learned to do some basic magic.
But it's just rehashed hinduism, which is rehashed Babylonian magic, which is remnants of Akkadian magic.
Long dead.
His "amazing feats" aren't even enough to speak of to get excited about.
We do 10 times more each month in here.
And the entire Buddhist world is dominated by egotism.
It's so obvious!
I try to find people interested in learning, going out to offer it to people.
And Buddhists are the most angry, and most delusional of all.
I suspect you don't even understand what "ego" and thinking you are better than others, really means.
You handle the topic like a stick, to hit others with when you feel threatened.
The only usefulness to the concept of "ego" is to notice when you get rid of that imaginary idea of "self" in your subconscious.
And I've never seen a Buddhist even understand that point.
When you no longer have a "self" to defend.
I suppose Buddhist Equanimity is close to understanding that, but I still haven't seen any Buddhist writings on it, which are not mostly clueless.
You get rid of "self", and the world begins to swim with magic and spirits.
Did you look at the J curve diagram? Or even look in the wiki?
Any other use of that term "ego" or "superiority" is just a control mechanism for large institutions.
You challenge them, and they call that "ego".
That's just personality, and has nothing to do with ego.
It's not ego to defend the only place you can learn magic openly, left on the planet.
Shame on you.
I'm sorry everyone in here.
I believe I brought these people in here.
I was experimenting with the fliers this week.
Rather boldly I might mention.
I was expecting a response.
I actually picked up a stalker while doing it. Might be one of these two.
The reason I was experimenting a little more than usual was, Lily blocked me from traveling to Pleiades, saying it was too dangerous.
I had to promise her not to try that again.
So I tried another approach, in order to follow the lead Carlos gave us.
I may say I don't believe in the fliers, but Carlos assigned us to look into that.
So I am.
He also assigned us for a rescue mission, but then dropped it.
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u/[deleted]
2 points2021-12-11 23:49deleted
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u/danl999
3 points2021-12-12 00:03
Show me.
Point to it.
Point to someone doing this.
Don't you care that no one actually does this stuff, they only talk about it?
How long are you going to go, not ever seeing actual magic?
Aren't you tired of this?
Of only pretending it. And gathering "facts" so you can seem to be wise.
You can't absorb the mental masturbation of all of Asia, and call that magic.
I suspect you've also not noticed, Buddhism is only respected as much as you do, in western countries.
Asians know the truth of it. But you have to spend some time over there, and make friends with the locals to find out the truth.
The prostitutes in the confessional booths, out back the temples.
The child prostitution for important guests. In Tokyo of all places!
The political corruption fueled by real estate deals.
The male children given to the temple by poor Chinese, molested by the monks, who then grow up to control the prostitution as gangsters.
Those teenagers on the back of trucks in saffron clothes, beating the drums in funeral processions.
Molested by the monks, given to control the prostitutes, then later becoming gangsters.
In Tibet, the sexual misdeeds of the highest monks are famous if you look around.
Threats to western women, to get them to submit.
Zen masters who are famous for being angry with their wives, and become so senile they have to be hidden from others by the monks.
Who deny the existence of magic, and yet claim to be enlightened.
Whatever you believe Buddhism is, is just a tourist trap.
Don't spread that poison around!
Unless you can point to someone actually making it work.
Not that it would be worth having, even if it worked.
It's clueless.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 00:09deleted
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 00:25deleted
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u/matejthetree
10 points2021-12-11 23:44
bunch of mental masturbating if you ask me.
rather see it for yourself, and experience it for yourself.
but you won't. cause you know, but you are insecure little prick who finds his escape in trying to show he is better than anyone. don't think that people cannot see through your words that you actually never put real work into anything, except escape. you are good at that.
cause if you would put any work, there would be no time to go around pissing on other subreddits. and then, your idea of poor me would disappear.
for the other budha specialist, budha is dead.
find me someone alive who experiences that, and narrates it. did you put hours of budha meditations to realize it yourself?
there are plethora of people who tried and all they could do was very limited compared to what people in this forum are doing.
if you are really as you claim, you would be bringing some value over here. practical one. not, I am super amazing, look at me. you go to 1-10 i go to 24.
also, noone here is putting any stitches on what do you do with your magic, once you build your energy body. if all I care, you can travel to red light district planet and have all the alien enlightened gigolos at your service. we care about work
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 00:49deleted
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u/tabdrops
2 points2021-12-12 02:15
You're trying to soil this place with your outside stuff. You may have seen a lot and have a large inventory, but that's no reason to puke up here. You missed the most important thing. The right intent! You should go elsewhere, create your own community.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 02:40deleted
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u/tabdrops
2 points2021-12-12 02:55
the larger picture is important
No. Your "larger picture" is just useless inventory. Preventing people from getting silent. Intent will show the required knowledge, step by step. The really awesome things can't be entirely formed with words. Just the attempt would be mental masturbation, as it can be seen here and now.
Why is outside stuff so shunned upon?
You're trying to impose an agenda on this subreddit which doesn't fit our intent. Go elsewhere, create your own group with your own intentions.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 03:12deleted
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u/tabdrops
2 points2021-12-12 03:24
So you don't even have a specific intention, but are just here to make yourself important. I'm highly sensitive, you can't talk your way out of it. I knew how this was going to turn out even before I finished skimming your first comment. You don't know anything about intent. It's an abstract force which you can't cheat on. If you'd know, you wouldn't have to point out your agenda that way.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 03:48deleted
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u/tabdrops
2 points2021-12-12 04:30
By helping people to come into the realization of how their emotions feed the fliers.
People just need inner silence for getting back their sobriety. Your example won't give them back sobriety, it's just some more inventory.
The fliers feed of off low vibration emotions.
Don't tell me things about fliers. I felt what a flier would be! Energetic alien tentacles messing around inside the head. Making you even believe you'd need any explanation like yours above, regardless how simplistic. Intent didn't show you to let those tentacles withdraw? You have to assume that you're still getting brain-f***ed.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 04:49deleted
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u/tabdrops
1 points2021-12-12 05:04
I know a lot about fliers.
Then, why you can't get silent?
I know all about those tentacles.
You know just some stuff you hit up in some books. You didn't know anything about tentacles until I mentioned it.
blissful frequencies.. you clear them. That's the intent.
It's green zone stuff, which isn't our goal. Your intention won't lead you far enough for sorcery. As it's said from the very beginning. Another group would be better for you.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 05:29deleted
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u/tabdrops
1 points2021-12-12 05:38
do with this information what you please
Information? You're just talking about your own self-pity. Stuff you haven't recapped. That's all.
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 05:48deleted
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u/tabdrops
1 points2021-12-12 06:13
Do you think I didn't understand what you wanted to say? I already knew such versions of the flier and loosh stories before you discovered our subreddit. A matrix only designed to steal energy from people. So what? Those stories are like sand by the sea! You didn't even tell something new. Education about it won't help anyone. Because it's just useless inventory. Instead, people need practicing inner silence. Very much practicing. You can be sure, then their feelings will change. But in the whole process, that's just some side effects by the green zone. You have to go much further than that! Why didn't you read the wiki?
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u/[deleted]
1 points2021-12-12 07:24deleted
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u/Responsible_Sock4997
2 points2021-12-12 06:03
Emotions are just neurotransmitters doing what they have learned to do.Like I am anxious,so an anxiety pathway has been created by my neurones.Emotions are just products and bypassing them is necessary to see more clearly.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2021-12-12 08:27
Here's the conversation in private chat that apparently prompted this user to delete all their comments (what an over-reaction 🙄):
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
I feel like you require some additional time to go through the posts in the r/castaneda subreddit, to become more familiar with how we operate.
It is dissimilar from most others out there.
I'm loath to dish out bans for simple disagreements over inventories, and I won't do so unless things become more disruptive.
But several members in here will likely continue to have issues with what you post, unless you drop some of the outside stuff.
We're laboring at something very specific and sensitive to distraction, at the early stages.
[user]
Don't worry. I don't think I'll be posting more anyways. No need for a ban. I understand.
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
It's why most who have been in here for awhile don't post for a period of time after they start being active, while they work out their own personal baggage and problematic misunderstandings.
I was, and am, no different!
I thought I understood stuff, but I was so wrong.
It took someone who had been working their butt off for a couple of decades to prove that to us all.
[user]
I was Just trying to convey how emotions play a role in the experiences that are had using these techniques.
I understand the problem using outside terms. However.. how else can you comvey some things that are very hard to even articulate with words?
I have personally experienced so much. So much of what is described. Both consciously and sometimes unconsciously. I know its all real and it works amazing.
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
Yes!
I myself am the chief of idiots. I know this, and am constantly identifying the volumes of crap that are stuck in my psyche. My job as moderator is to diminish such hassles for the other users on the sub. That's all.
[user]
I just wanted to share how your emotional vibrational frequency or tuning or whatever you'd like to call it.. influences the realms and beings you can encounter. The 31 planes of buddha are the best available source I've found to explain and sort all these experiences. However i wish it didn't have Buddhist baggage.
Carlos was trying to understand the fliers. I have some very deep and personal experience dealing with them. And everything has to do with thiz
Emotional vibrational frequency thing , how they feed off of us. I've come to understand that these realms we can comment
We connect to these realms.. and they are like arcades. We pay with our energy whenever we have these low vibration emotions.
These realms and beings.. they are infinite and as real as us. If not more so. However, if when doing these practice people feel higher vibrational emotions, they feed less energy to these fliers. That why there's so much intent into preventing higher vibrational emotions.. both in everyday waking life and with lots of more advanced practices such as this one.
Anyways. I guess this is what I'm attempting
Learning and spreading knowledge about how the fliers operate... And to combat them by starving them of the energy they feed of off low vibration emotions from people. Especially people that engage in these practices that have lots of energy.
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u/tabdrops
1 points2021-12-12 09:06
In the end, he wanted to portray our practices inferior by glorifying his own experiences.
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u/monkeyguy999
3 points2021-12-12 01:49
You post a lot.
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u/tabdrops
4 points2021-12-12 02:20
You came in here with your own agenda and you obviously didn't read the wiki. You're the one fantasizing with mental masturbation. Better you go elsewhere.
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u/ThePhantomMagician
5 points2021-12-12 03:50
Disgusting.. go back to the temples and go handle the child prostitution rings, you make me sick.
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u/Responsible_Sock4997
4 points2021-12-12 05:56
If I want something other than Casteneda here,I would go to another reddit/whatever. Its nice to share the interest in DonJuan's particular teachings , which have resonated with me for 40 years.
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u/ODx2
1 points2021-12-12 13:52
don't fall for the trap of thinking anything even that you close to truth ....lmao the I know guy does what he sais that you shouldn't do in the same sentence .
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u/ManCheetah88
4 points2021-12-12 14:14
This is bad player material
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u/Gnos_Yidari
1 points2021-12-12 21:09
Our entire reality is a hallucination, one with the intent of billions of cumulative and collective individuals underpinning it.
It's a "true hallucination" as McKenna termed it.
But still, a hallucination. The wildcard agent being the intent behind physical matter and law, which is extra persistent.
But not sacrosanct to those with Intent's ear.
And do you suppose those blind to these energetic facts, materialists etc., are somehow less delusional?
They're more delusional! And unjustifiably arrogant.
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[deleted]
In Buddhism they believe in rebirth and the 31 planes are just ways you could be reborn. No where did I see any claim Buddha was visiting these planes other than in his mind. Which would be an illusion just like the one you see before you
[deleted]
But why and why do you presume doing so isn’t possibly dangerous
[deleted]
You speak of intent but seem to not have a true one. What is the intention of delving into such hallucinations and figments of them mind. It’s dangerous to play with fire is all I know. And this in my opinion seems just like playing with fire. You don’t know what you’re doing unless it is you have an intention for doing it before you choose to try. Is that what this intent is all about. My intent is the truth
[deleted]
So this new bad player, engaged in enraged rapid posting (which will cause him to be banned when Techno notices it) has a defender?
You came along with him?
Since you piped in, put your money where your mouth is!
Can you point to any place where people can actually make Dzogchen work?
As far as I've seen, there's only Ingram.
I long for more, but there isn't. The Dzogchen people actually attack Ingram.
You can't point to a single place like this for Dzogchen.
Where an intelligent and unbiased person can look and see what's going on.
There's nothing like that for Buddhism, or the 4000 people in here would have seen it, and called it to our attention.
So why are you pretending to be superior?
You're following a pretend, modern religion, made up to get money from naive city dwellers.
Or maybe you can point to a web page where people are learning?
And in case you didn't notice, the Buddha was a putz.
Clueless.
Not wise at all, unless you're stuck dwelling in cities, and never even have a chance to actually explore infinity.
He's wise to old grandmas.
True, he seems to have learned to do some basic magic.
But it's just rehashed hinduism, which is rehashed Babylonian magic, which is remnants of Akkadian magic.
Long dead.
His "amazing feats" aren't even enough to speak of to get excited about.
We do 10 times more each month in here.
And the entire Buddhist world is dominated by egotism.
It's so obvious!
I try to find people interested in learning, going out to offer it to people.
And Buddhists are the most angry, and most delusional of all.
I suspect you don't even understand what "ego" and thinking you are better than others, really means.
You handle the topic like a stick, to hit others with when you feel threatened.
The only usefulness to the concept of "ego" is to notice when you get rid of that imaginary idea of "self" in your subconscious.
And I've never seen a Buddhist even understand that point.
When you no longer have a "self" to defend.
I suppose Buddhist Equanimity is close to understanding that, but I still haven't seen any Buddhist writings on it, which are not mostly clueless.
You get rid of "self", and the world begins to swim with magic and spirits.
Did you look at the J curve diagram? Or even look in the wiki?
Any other use of that term "ego" or "superiority" is just a control mechanism for large institutions.
You challenge them, and they call that "ego".
That's just personality, and has nothing to do with ego.
It's not ego to defend the only place you can learn magic openly, left on the planet.
Shame on you.
I'm sorry everyone in here.
I believe I brought these people in here.
I was experimenting with the fliers this week.
Rather boldly I might mention.
I was expecting a response.
I actually picked up a stalker while doing it. Might be one of these two.
The reason I was experimenting a little more than usual was, Lily blocked me from traveling to Pleiades, saying it was too dangerous.
I had to promise her not to try that again.
So I tried another approach, in order to follow the lead Carlos gave us.
I may say I don't believe in the fliers, but Carlos assigned us to look into that.
So I am.
He also assigned us for a rescue mission, but then dropped it.
[deleted]
Show me.
Point to it.
Point to someone doing this.
Don't you care that no one actually does this stuff, they only talk about it?
How long are you going to go, not ever seeing actual magic?
Aren't you tired of this?
Of only pretending it. And gathering "facts" so you can seem to be wise.
You can't absorb the mental masturbation of all of Asia, and call that magic.
I suspect you've also not noticed, Buddhism is only respected as much as you do, in western countries.
Asians know the truth of it. But you have to spend some time over there, and make friends with the locals to find out the truth.
The prostitutes in the confessional booths, out back the temples.
The child prostitution for important guests. In Tokyo of all places!
The political corruption fueled by real estate deals.
The male children given to the temple by poor Chinese, molested by the monks, who then grow up to control the prostitution as gangsters.
Those teenagers on the back of trucks in saffron clothes, beating the drums in funeral processions.
Molested by the monks, given to control the prostitutes, then later becoming gangsters.
In Tibet, the sexual misdeeds of the highest monks are famous if you look around.
Threats to western women, to get them to submit.
Zen masters who are famous for being angry with their wives, and become so senile they have to be hidden from others by the monks.
Who deny the existence of magic, and yet claim to be enlightened.
Whatever you believe Buddhism is, is just a tourist trap.
Don't spread that poison around!
Unless you can point to someone actually making it work.
Not that it would be worth having, even if it worked.
It's clueless.
[deleted]
[deleted]
bunch of mental masturbating if you ask me.
rather see it for yourself, and experience it for yourself.
but you won't. cause you know, but you are insecure little prick who finds his escape in trying to show he is better than anyone. don't think that people cannot see through your words that you actually never put real work into anything, except escape. you are good at that.
cause if you would put any work, there would be no time to go around pissing on other subreddits. and then, your idea of poor me would disappear.
for the other budha specialist, budha is dead.
find me someone alive who experiences that, and narrates it. did you put hours of budha meditations to realize it yourself?
there are plethora of people who tried and all they could do was very limited compared to what people in this forum are doing.
if you are really as you claim, you would be bringing some value over here. practical one. not, I am super amazing, look at me. you go to 1-10 i go to 24.
also, noone here is putting any stitches on what do you do with your magic, once you build your energy body. if all I care, you can travel to red light district planet and have all the alien enlightened gigolos at your service. we care about work
[deleted]
You're trying to soil this place with your outside stuff. You may have seen a lot and have a large inventory, but that's no reason to puke up here. You missed the most important thing. The right intent! You should go elsewhere, create your own community.
[deleted]
No. Your "larger picture" is just useless inventory. Preventing people from getting silent. Intent will show the required knowledge, step by step. The really awesome things can't be entirely formed with words. Just the attempt would be mental masturbation, as it can be seen here and now.
You're trying to impose an agenda on this subreddit which doesn't fit our intent. Go elsewhere, create your own group with your own intentions.
[deleted]
So you don't even have a specific intention, but are just here to make yourself important. I'm highly sensitive, you can't talk your way out of it. I knew how this was going to turn out even before I finished skimming your first comment. You don't know anything about intent. It's an abstract force which you can't cheat on. If you'd know, you wouldn't have to point out your agenda that way.
[deleted]
People just need inner silence for getting back their sobriety. Your example won't give them back sobriety, it's just some more inventory.
Don't tell me things about fliers. I felt what a flier would be! Energetic alien tentacles messing around inside the head. Making you even believe you'd need any explanation like yours above, regardless how simplistic. Intent didn't show you to let those tentacles withdraw? You have to assume that you're still getting brain-f***ed.
[deleted]
Then, why you can't get silent?
You know just some stuff you hit up in some books. You didn't know anything about tentacles until I mentioned it.
It's green zone stuff, which isn't our goal. Your intention won't lead you far enough for sorcery. As it's said from the very beginning. Another group would be better for you.
[deleted]
Information? You're just talking about your own self-pity. Stuff you haven't recapped. That's all.
[deleted]
Do you think I didn't understand what you wanted to say? I already knew such versions of the flier and loosh stories before you discovered our subreddit. A matrix only designed to steal energy from people. So what? Those stories are like sand by the sea! You didn't even tell something new. Education about it won't help anyone. Because it's just useless inventory. Instead, people need practicing inner silence. Very much practicing. You can be sure, then their feelings will change. But in the whole process, that's just some side effects by the green zone. You have to go much further than that! Why didn't you read the wiki?
[deleted]
Emotions are just neurotransmitters doing what they have learned to do.Like I am anxious,so an anxiety pathway has been created by my neurones.Emotions are just products and bypassing them is necessary to see more clearly.
Here's the conversation in private chat that apparently prompted this user to delete all their comments (what an over-reaction 🙄):
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
I feel like you require some additional time to go through the posts in the r/castaneda subreddit, to become more familiar with how we operate.
It is dissimilar from most others out there.
I'm loath to dish out bans for simple disagreements over inventories, and I won't do so unless things become more disruptive.
But several members in here will likely continue to have issues with what you post, unless you drop some of the outside stuff.
We're laboring at something very specific and sensitive to distraction, at the early stages.
[user]
Don't worry. I don't think I'll be posting more anyways. No need for a ban. I understand.
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
It's why most who have been in here for awhile don't post for a period of time after they start being active, while they work out their own personal baggage and problematic misunderstandings.
I was, and am, no different!
I thought I understood stuff, but I was so wrong.
It took someone who had been working their butt off for a couple of decades to prove that to us all.
[user]
I was Just trying to convey how emotions play a role in the experiences that are had using these techniques.
I understand the problem using outside terms. However.. how else can you comvey some things that are very hard to even articulate with words?
I have personally experienced so much. So much of what is described. Both consciously and sometimes unconsciously. I know its all real and it works amazing.
u/TechnoMagical_Intent
Yes!
I myself am the chief of idiots. I know this, and am constantly identifying the volumes of crap that are stuck in my psyche. My job as moderator is to diminish such hassles for the other users on the sub. That's all.
[user]
I just wanted to share how your emotional vibrational frequency or tuning or whatever you'd like to call it.. influences the realms and beings you can encounter. The 31 planes of buddha are the best available source I've found to explain and sort all these experiences. However i wish it didn't have Buddhist baggage.
Carlos was trying to understand the fliers. I have some very deep and personal experience dealing with them. And everything has to do with thiz
Emotional vibrational frequency thing , how they feed off of us. I've come to understand that these realms we can comment
We connect to these realms.. and they are like arcades. We pay with our energy whenever we have these low vibration emotions.
These realms and beings.. they are infinite and as real as us. If not more so. However, if when doing these practice people feel higher vibrational emotions, they feed less energy to these fliers. That why there's so much intent into preventing higher vibrational emotions.. both in everyday waking life and with lots of more advanced practices such as this one.
Anyways. I guess this is what I'm attempting
Learning and spreading knowledge about how the fliers operate... And to combat them by starving them of the energy they feed of off low vibration emotions from people. Especially people that engage in these practices that have lots of energy.
In the end, he wanted to portray our practices inferior by glorifying his own experiences.
You post a lot.
You came in here with your own agenda and you obviously didn't read the wiki. You're the one fantasizing with mental masturbation. Better you go elsewhere.
Disgusting.. go back to the temples and go handle the child prostitution rings, you make me sick.
If I want something other than Casteneda here,I would go to another reddit/whatever. Its nice to share the interest in DonJuan's particular teachings , which have resonated with me for 40 years.
don't fall for the trap of thinking anything even that you close to truth ....lmao the I know guy does what he sais that you shouldn't do in the same sentence .
This is bad player material
Our entire reality is a hallucination, one with the intent of billions of cumulative and collective individuals underpinning it.
It's a "true hallucination" as McKenna termed it.
But still, a hallucination. The wildcard agent being the intent behind physical matter and law, which is extra persistent.
But not sacrosanct to those with Intent's ear.
And do you suppose those blind to these energetic facts, materialists etc., are somehow less delusional?
They're more delusional! And unjustifiably arrogant.