I feel like the iobes world is so much worse than other higher dimensions so why?
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u/danl999
11 points2021-12-20 17:36
You don't belong in here.
You could fix that by learning, but we don't have time for people who don't even put in enough time to understand what subreddit they are in.
This isn't an attention seeking sub, like all the other magick oriented ones.
That's blue line activity. Doing blue line activity will never help you to escape it.
You're wasting the time of others, and confusing beginners.
Find Jesus or something.
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u/Emmanuelle1000
2 points2021-12-22 22:42
>Find Jesus or something.
That is so funny. Thanks, I needed that.
When I saw the post in my feed I knew someone (probably you) would just go off. I read it just for that.
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u/danl999
4 points2021-12-22 23:00
Carlos had a battle with Amy going for years, over Catholicism.
Then in the end, she twisted his words around to make him look truly evil.
That's easy to do with anything said about religion.
You just leave out why it was said.
Then there's the old, "He told me his sperm was magical."
First, she was his girlfriend for years!
I'll be in big trouble if my exes turn on me and start finding things I said, to make me look bad.
We all would!
But I'm afraid to say, his sperm was magical!
Yours isn't.
But a bestowal of the awareness of a double being who's a fully functioning sorcerer?
Are you kidding?
I just have one witch around, and she's nowhere near as powerful as the witches with Carlos.
But the energy I got from Cholita, helped me in ways I don't even realize yet.
Just a few emanations from a real sorcerer or witch, ought to work wonders for those who really want to learn magic.
But it sure sounds damning in a book.
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u/Artivist
1 points2022-02-19 06:32
But it sure sounds damning in a book.
Have you read the book? If yes, what did you think of it?
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u/danl999
2 points2022-02-19 19:55
No, I don't look at material from others who were studying with Carlos.
He taught us not to do that.
He created "protected bubbles" that wouldn't contaminate each other.
Once in a while I get reports on what types of contamination went on, just after Carlos died.
It's heartbreaking.
I'm glad I'm not supposed to look at it.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
12 points2021-12-20 17:50
You're putting the cart way in front of the horse. You need to be enraptured by the path, rather than (for what is now) a theoretical destination.
The universe does want as many higher-energy organically derived IOB's (evolved humans) as it can get.
Rarity is prized. As above so below.
But the soul may not be as immortal as you believe or assume, if you haven't done enough in this life to justify such immortality. Or if you can't divorce your life energy from your life experiences (recap).
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
2 points2021-12-20 18:52
Thanks for your answer
I also heard iobes have different origins
One of them is from Human to iobes and what is/are the others? I'm Just curious
Based on what do you believe you have an immortal soul?
Certainly not based on science.
Where did you get that idea?
You're running around with your head filled with false narratives. Those usually make it impossible to learn sorcery.
So where did you get that one, in particular?
Once you pick something as the source, we can look at why one would believe they know that.
Based on what are they saying it?
How was that knowledge spread? By what method?
Or do you just trust them because you like their funny outfits? Or their music?
Or you believe everything people tell you, as long as it's lots and lots of people?
If it's Christianity, I have bad news for you.
That religion is based on an earlier false religion, Judaism.
I like both of those, but sorcery makes it obvious Judaism is based on a false narrative.
There's no Lucifer. And no struggle between Lucifer and God, for souls.
That entire religious trio (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is based on obvious lies.
Lies you can easily see using sorcery because we can view spirits on demand, see God, heaven, and hell.
But which in fact you can simply google, to see the absurdity of believing in Lucifer.
For instance, how come Asians didn't discover the "head demon"?
Should we believe their demons are made up, seeing as how they behave nothing at all like Jewish demons?
Our demons are real, theirs are pretend?
How about south American demons?
From before the invasion by Christians.
Are African demons delusional, but Lucifer makes sense?
And oddly, Jewish demons don't behave like Christian demons.
As far as I can tell, Jesus believed the hype so much, he got confused about the difference between attention seeking, and mental illness.
Again, it's a pity.
I like both of those religions. They're delusional, but not as delusional as Asian religions.
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u/ab_12345678
0 points2021-12-20 19:06
Have you ever asked iobs about Lucifer? We know they can not lie.
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u/danl999
9 points2021-12-20 20:07
I've gotten them to portray him.
Fancy would do that for me in an instant. With suitable delay.
No reason to ask them about it though.
It's such obvious nonsense.
That would be like asking them if Santa Claus actually exists.
Sure! Somewhere out there. Or if he doesn't, they can arrange it.
Carlos put me to the task of studying such topics. Now I see why. It started with an argument with Amy in private class, and then he just turned to me and said to really study the bible, so you can see what nonsense it is.
The class thought it was an assignment for everyone, so naturally no one did it.
Except me.
Now I'm glad I did, because the Castaneda community seems a bit brainwashed by popular religion.
Anyway, if you read what the Jews wrote about demons, and understand the techniques they used (which we know to this day), there's 0 doubt Lucifer was an inorganic being someone saw once or twice.
I have doubts about the twice part.
Then started making up stuff about him, because it made a good story.
We see it over and over again! It's how people are.
They see Lucifer. And instead of wanting to learn to see him everyday, so they can understand, they think about what kind of a book they'll write, and how to get the most money possible with their "Tales of Lucifer, prince of darkness".
Jesus would be nothing without Lucifer!
Does that sound like a powerful "prophet"? A jewish sorcerer who makes up stuff to get money and attention?
To see something once or twice, and not try to understand what you are a looking at? All you can think about is gaining a benefit from the sight?
So you run out and start passing around stories, designed to get yourself attention.
Doesn't seem "prophet" worthy to me. Sounds like a typical bad player.
In fact, they were story tellers. Verbal tradition at first, with book of Job being possibly the oldest. The story of the battle between Lucifer and God, for Job's love.
I suppose they thought there was no harm in telling a story about a being you actually met, if the story contains valuable social lessons.
But over time it got out of hand. Got written down.
Profitable perhaps because it caused people to sacrifice (donate) cattle to the church.
The Jews seem to have had some self-control and didn't go nuts with it. At least, not the way the Christians did.
Their writings about "demons" are not much like the Christian stuff.
The Christian stuff is because of the Hellenists, living in Greece, where they picked up the Chinese idea of hell.
And "re-understood" jewish writings, using that new thinking.
And Jesus seems to have taken it all literally, not realizing the Jews don't even take it literally.
OR, he knew they had real magic (they did!) and wanted to release it to the general population.
Their techniques were taught in "colleges", which were people in a big cave learning the secrets of early Judaism. In one case, from a woman leader!
They had "old magic" from before agriculture.
I suppose Jesus just wanted to preserve that magic, since it's so cool.
But he framed it as "praying to God", instead of teaching it as a way to manipulate intent.
The bad guys were probably the same as they always are.
Disciples.
The Buddha wasn't so bad, until his disciples convinced him to sell his magic, and then sell franchises to teach it.
Just like now. Cleargreen is selling franchises also.
Then, in writings about him, Buddha became godlike and they started making up whatever maximized donations.
It's all lumped together now. The apocryphal stories of Buddha, and the actual facts (which are very hard to find).
Same thing happened to Jesus. It was so bad in his case, we don't really even know what Jesus was up to. He certainly didn't say.
The Gnostics seem to agree with my take. He was trying to restore magic to the post agriculture society.
But our poster here even believes junky subreddits where there are "higher planes".
Believes those higher planes aren't actually just the IOB realms, as seen by religious idiots, reading older texts they don't actually understand.
Which I suppose would mean that sorcerers don't have a good understanding of reality, but the Hindus did?
Except, the Hindus can't do any of what they claim, these days.
Or there would be a place on the internet where people were actually learning to do those things.
Like this place.
There's no place for Hindus, like this place.
Nor for any other "system".
With absolutely no one able to do what they write, I can't fathom why people believe any of it.
Seems obvious it's all more muck from the river of shit.
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u/tabdrops
6 points2021-12-20 21:02
Every night you get some impressions of your own inorganic nature. But it's just ordinary dreaming which doesn't even begin to describe the abilities which would possible if you'd study phenomena systematically. That's what our community does. We've books as common reference, yes. But that's not the point. It's not about studying books, but studying phenomena. Own experiences. Your own inorganic nature will remember by itself without needing books if you give it a chance. One part of you is already kinda inorganic being. You just forgot it. In the end, it's stupid to fight against.
You'll find no other place where you could study systematically. In the beginning, all you need is inner silence. So, give it a chance. The point is, you'll finally remember your own nature in it's wholeness. Will there be some scary moments? For sure. Surprising circumstance? Just look at organic beings. Animals. Predators. Sharp claws. Poisonous fangs. So what? Do you think organic nature has more left for you? You're just afraid to remember. That's all. Stay cool.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-20 21:24
Do u mean the Body which one uses in a dream (while aware) is inorganic?
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u/tabdrops
4 points2021-12-20 21:58
Of course. What else? If the dreaming body wouldn't be inorganic nature, you'd not be able to interact with other inorganic beings. It's difficult territory for the reason. If something's not organic, what's then? There's no better term than call things "energetic", according to the perceptions. But this should also be enough for the reason. Otherwise, mental masturbation will take place, and it's a dead end. The problem is, our organic side is already stuffed up with useless brain scrap, which distorts the view. Sobriety has to be regained.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-20 22:02
So I'm. Currently wanting to lucid dream. I keep like a dream. Journal where I record all my memorized dreams and I try to count my fingers to induce a dream where I am aware but I don't necessarily want all the fear and fright which comes from. The inorganics I guess
Is there anyway around it or do I need to overcome my fear for sure
Also what can they do in my dream besides scaring me and trying to manipulate my intent? Thanks for your time appreciate it
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u/tabdrops
4 points2021-12-20 22:32
Just lucid dreaming leads not far enough. It's a dead end of the inorganic side. You won't realize the pure energetic nature of the universe. Better you'd do darkroom gazing while forcing inner silence. This kind of attention supports automatically lucidity in your dreams.
And look at that fear. Big thing for your mind. But in the end, you may just got some dark energy from an IOB. That's all. To scare you was just the easiest way for this IOB to interact. Don't run away from that fear. Better you'd feel deep into the fear. Taste it to the full like good wine. Changes your narrative how to deal with dark energy.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-20 22:36
I do feel into fear but mainly to let it go
When I resist it tends to be stuck or get worse
So I have really no choice but notice the fear until it wears off
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u/tabdrops
2 points2021-12-20 22:46
Try to breath the fear with your whole body. No other intentions. Just stay attentive and conscious. Feel the moment. Let things happen. No reason to think about. Inner silence!
Maybe some scenes may appear in your mind. Just recapitulate them.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
2 points2021-12-20 22:48
I kinda have problems with not being reactive coz when i see a shadow in my mind I instantly get shocked for a moment and then return back but those moments stop my progress
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u/tabdrops
3 points2021-12-20 23:08
Then, what about feeling the shock itself? Did you ever mention it as a gift? Change your narrative. All you need is inner silence. No weird concepts. More sobriety. Stay cool and go on. It may take some time. That's okay.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-20 23:12
Okey thanks good luck in ur life
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u/MagusAce
1 points2021-12-21 14:22
The soul isn't immortal in the sense you may think.
Yes, it is an eternally existing construct, but in most cases the consciousness attached to to soul fades, leaving a mere imprint of past experiences.
The sorcerer seeks to make the soul his own, not as a source of life, but as a means of power. To go from simply living with an immortal soul to become the conscious self that drives the soul for all of eternity (or till the will to do so runs out).
A sorcerer doesn't necessarily want to live as an inorganic being, it just so happens that it's a milestone in his growth process. At this point shift between forms and Manifestations becomes second nature.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-21 14:56
Good explanation thanks.
But sorcerers do still need external source of energy or not?
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u/MagusAce
1 points2021-12-21 15:01
Initially, until they can tap into the purest form of energy and become (one with) the source
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-21 15:32
There must be other ways to become one with source
What do u think
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u/MagusAce
2 points2021-12-21 15:49
Absolutely. A myriad of paths to choose from. Yet not all of them end in true liberation.
Some ways end up with "returning to the source", where you (volunteer to) become a servant to the highest powers.
Others lead to a pragmatic segregation of identities, a dualistic communion with the source, with one borrowing his powers from the other.
A few even result in a succession doctrine. The individual becomes inseparable from his identity and needs to pass on his soul to an offspring or disciple to assume a new identity and perception.
Each one has their own charms and flaws, however they are equally valid in the bigger picture.
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u/Solid_Huckleberry_95
1 points2021-12-21 16:26
Thanks for ur knowledge helped me a lot to understand you guys a bit better
I wish u luck and success in your journeys whatever you choose to be
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u/tabdrops
5 points2021-12-21 16:48
You guys better don't mix things up with outside stuff. Just take "energy" instead of "soul". Energy can't be lost, but we live in a recycling universe, so it's natural to be transformed one way or another. Every sorcerer who "burns from the fire within" will transform into a specific inorganic being. It's the ultimative goal!
You guys have to realize, the organic side belongs to the being called planet earth, with its own intent. All those material things are thus stable because of the awareness and energy of planet earth. But what about our own stability? It's poor! Usually death means the immediate collapse of our own energetic structure. If the organic side disappears, we're no longer provided by planet earth and there would be no other choice than returning to the energetic source of everything ("eaten by the eagle") for getting recycled.
A sorcerer fights a whole life long for the chance to change this fate. To have a choice at the moment of death. The possibility of another kind of transformation which allows to keep the own energy. But it only works if you expand your own awareness to the maximum possible while existing with an organic body. This is our intent! And our preferred method is called "J-curving", because it works without needing a Nagual. And of course, you'll notice, we're not alone in the universe. It's full of life. Aliens over aliens. But on the inorganic side. IOBs! Even planet earth is an alien. And humans are just aliens living on this specific alien. The interface is the organic side.
A sorcerer wouldn't just collect some inventory like this for mental masturbation. Instead, own experiences, systematically done! Our wiki offers enough instructions.
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u/MagusAce
1 points2021-12-21 17:32
Your Tonal seems rather filled my friend.
What's the use of conforming to a fixed vocabulary if the knowledge you intend to convey is drowned in superfluous details.
You talk about not collecting inventory for mental masturbation, yet you rebuke me for my choice of words whilst regurgitating pretty lines from Books.
Answers to questions should cater to the one asking, not to validate one's own oh so deep understanding.
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u/tabdrops
1 points2021-12-21 18:15
In silence, things getting obvious without any books. What you think about "superfluous details" are narrative changing results, experienced because of practicing inner silence.
Terms are bound to specific intents. Mixing things up causes a dead end to a formerly pure intent. A sorcerer wouldn't want this.
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You don't belong in here.
You could fix that by learning, but we don't have time for people who don't even put in enough time to understand what subreddit they are in.
This isn't an attention seeking sub, like all the other magick oriented ones.
That's blue line activity. Doing blue line activity will never help you to escape it.
You're wasting the time of others, and confusing beginners.
Find Jesus or something.
>Find Jesus or something.
That is so funny. Thanks, I needed that.
When I saw the post in my feed I knew someone (probably you) would just go off. I read it just for that.
Carlos had a battle with Amy going for years, over Catholicism.
Then in the end, she twisted his words around to make him look truly evil.
That's easy to do with anything said about religion.
You just leave out why it was said.
Then there's the old, "He told me his sperm was magical."
First, she was his girlfriend for years!
I'll be in big trouble if my exes turn on me and start finding things I said, to make me look bad.
We all would!
But I'm afraid to say, his sperm was magical!
Yours isn't.
But a bestowal of the awareness of a double being who's a fully functioning sorcerer?
Are you kidding?
I just have one witch around, and she's nowhere near as powerful as the witches with Carlos.
But the energy I got from Cholita, helped me in ways I don't even realize yet.
Just a few emanations from a real sorcerer or witch, ought to work wonders for those who really want to learn magic.
But it sure sounds damning in a book.
Have you read the book? If yes, what did you think of it?
No, I don't look at material from others who were studying with Carlos.
He taught us not to do that.
He created "protected bubbles" that wouldn't contaminate each other.
Once in a while I get reports on what types of contamination went on, just after Carlos died.
It's heartbreaking.
I'm glad I'm not supposed to look at it.
You're putting the cart way in front of the horse. You need to be enraptured by the path, rather than (for what is now) a theoretical destination.
The universe does want as many higher-energy organically derived IOB's (evolved humans) as it can get.
Rarity is prized. As above so below.
But the soul may not be as immortal as you believe or assume, if you haven't done enough in this life to justify such immortality. Or if you can't divorce your life energy from your life experiences (recap).
Thanks for your answer
I also heard iobes have different origins
One of them is from Human to iobes and what is/are the others? I'm Just curious
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/allies
Let's test your "sobriety".
You can't learn sorcery without sobriety.
Based on what do you believe you have an immortal soul?
Certainly not based on science.
Where did you get that idea?
You're running around with your head filled with false narratives. Those usually make it impossible to learn sorcery.
So where did you get that one, in particular?
Once you pick something as the source, we can look at why one would believe they know that.
Based on what are they saying it?
How was that knowledge spread? By what method?
Or do you just trust them because you like their funny outfits? Or their music?
Or you believe everything people tell you, as long as it's lots and lots of people?
If it's Christianity, I have bad news for you.
That religion is based on an earlier false religion, Judaism.
I like both of those, but sorcery makes it obvious Judaism is based on a false narrative.
There's no Lucifer. And no struggle between Lucifer and God, for souls.
That entire religious trio (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is based on obvious lies.
Lies you can easily see using sorcery because we can view spirits on demand, see God, heaven, and hell.
But which in fact you can simply google, to see the absurdity of believing in Lucifer.
For instance, how come Asians didn't discover the "head demon"?
Should we believe their demons are made up, seeing as how they behave nothing at all like Jewish demons?
Our demons are real, theirs are pretend?
How about south American demons?
From before the invasion by Christians.
Are African demons delusional, but Lucifer makes sense?
And oddly, Jewish demons don't behave like Christian demons.
As far as I can tell, Jesus believed the hype so much, he got confused about the difference between attention seeking, and mental illness.
Again, it's a pity.
I like both of those religions. They're delusional, but not as delusional as Asian religions.
Have you ever asked iobs about Lucifer? We know they can not lie.
I've gotten them to portray him.
Fancy would do that for me in an instant. With suitable delay.
No reason to ask them about it though.
It's such obvious nonsense.
That would be like asking them if Santa Claus actually exists.
Sure! Somewhere out there. Or if he doesn't, they can arrange it.
Carlos put me to the task of studying such topics. Now I see why. It started with an argument with Amy in private class, and then he just turned to me and said to really study the bible, so you can see what nonsense it is.
The class thought it was an assignment for everyone, so naturally no one did it.
Except me.
Now I'm glad I did, because the Castaneda community seems a bit brainwashed by popular religion.
Anyway, if you read what the Jews wrote about demons, and understand the techniques they used (which we know to this day), there's 0 doubt Lucifer was an inorganic being someone saw once or twice.
I have doubts about the twice part.
Then started making up stuff about him, because it made a good story.
We see it over and over again! It's how people are.
They see Lucifer. And instead of wanting to learn to see him everyday, so they can understand, they think about what kind of a book they'll write, and how to get the most money possible with their "Tales of Lucifer, prince of darkness".
Jesus would be nothing without Lucifer!
Does that sound like a powerful "prophet"? A jewish sorcerer who makes up stuff to get money and attention?
To see something once or twice, and not try to understand what you are a looking at? All you can think about is gaining a benefit from the sight?
So you run out and start passing around stories, designed to get yourself attention.
Doesn't seem "prophet" worthy to me. Sounds like a typical bad player.
In fact, they were story tellers. Verbal tradition at first, with book of Job being possibly the oldest. The story of the battle between Lucifer and God, for Job's love.
I suppose they thought there was no harm in telling a story about a being you actually met, if the story contains valuable social lessons.
But over time it got out of hand. Got written down.
Profitable perhaps because it caused people to sacrifice (donate) cattle to the church.
The Jews seem to have had some self-control and didn't go nuts with it. At least, not the way the Christians did.
Their writings about "demons" are not much like the Christian stuff.
The Christian stuff is because of the Hellenists, living in Greece, where they picked up the Chinese idea of hell.
And "re-understood" jewish writings, using that new thinking.
And Jesus seems to have taken it all literally, not realizing the Jews don't even take it literally.
OR, he knew they had real magic (they did!) and wanted to release it to the general population.
Their techniques were taught in "colleges", which were people in a big cave learning the secrets of early Judaism. In one case, from a woman leader!
They had "old magic" from before agriculture.
I suppose Jesus just wanted to preserve that magic, since it's so cool.
But he framed it as "praying to God", instead of teaching it as a way to manipulate intent.
The bad guys were probably the same as they always are.
Disciples.
The Buddha wasn't so bad, until his disciples convinced him to sell his magic, and then sell franchises to teach it.
Just like now. Cleargreen is selling franchises also.
Then, in writings about him, Buddha became godlike and they started making up whatever maximized donations.
It's all lumped together now. The apocryphal stories of Buddha, and the actual facts (which are very hard to find).
Same thing happened to Jesus. It was so bad in his case, we don't really even know what Jesus was up to. He certainly didn't say.
The Gnostics seem to agree with my take. He was trying to restore magic to the post agriculture society.
But our poster here even believes junky subreddits where there are "higher planes".
Believes those higher planes aren't actually just the IOB realms, as seen by religious idiots, reading older texts they don't actually understand.
Which I suppose would mean that sorcerers don't have a good understanding of reality, but the Hindus did?
Except, the Hindus can't do any of what they claim, these days.
Or there would be a place on the internet where people were actually learning to do those things.
Like this place.
There's no place for Hindus, like this place.
Nor for any other "system".
With absolutely no one able to do what they write, I can't fathom why people believe any of it.
Seems obvious it's all more muck from the river of shit.
Every night you get some impressions of your own inorganic nature. But it's just ordinary dreaming which doesn't even begin to describe the abilities which would possible if you'd study phenomena systematically. That's what our community does. We've books as common reference, yes. But that's not the point. It's not about studying books, but studying phenomena. Own experiences. Your own inorganic nature will remember by itself without needing books if you give it a chance. One part of you is already kinda inorganic being. You just forgot it. In the end, it's stupid to fight against.
You'll find no other place where you could study systematically. In the beginning, all you need is inner silence. So, give it a chance. The point is, you'll finally remember your own nature in it's wholeness. Will there be some scary moments? For sure. Surprising circumstance? Just look at organic beings. Animals. Predators. Sharp claws. Poisonous fangs. So what? Do you think organic nature has more left for you? You're just afraid to remember. That's all. Stay cool.
Do u mean the Body which one uses in a dream (while aware) is inorganic?
Of course. What else? If the dreaming body wouldn't be inorganic nature, you'd not be able to interact with other inorganic beings. It's difficult territory for the reason. If something's not organic, what's then? There's no better term than call things "energetic", according to the perceptions. But this should also be enough for the reason. Otherwise, mental masturbation will take place, and it's a dead end. The problem is, our organic side is already stuffed up with useless brain scrap, which distorts the view. Sobriety has to be regained.
So I'm. Currently wanting to lucid dream. I keep like a dream. Journal where I record all my memorized dreams and I try to count my fingers to induce a dream where I am aware but I don't necessarily want all the fear and fright which comes from. The inorganics I guess
Is there anyway around it or do I need to overcome my fear for sure
Also what can they do in my dream besides scaring me and trying to manipulate my intent? Thanks for your time appreciate it
Just lucid dreaming leads not far enough. It's a dead end of the inorganic side. You won't realize the pure energetic nature of the universe. Better you'd do darkroom gazing while forcing inner silence. This kind of attention supports automatically lucidity in your dreams.
And look at that fear. Big thing for your mind. But in the end, you may just got some dark energy from an IOB. That's all. To scare you was just the easiest way for this IOB to interact. Don't run away from that fear. Better you'd feel deep into the fear. Taste it to the full like good wine. Changes your narrative how to deal with dark energy.
I do feel into fear but mainly to let it go
When I resist it tends to be stuck or get worse
So I have really no choice but notice the fear until it wears off
Try to breath the fear with your whole body. No other intentions. Just stay attentive and conscious. Feel the moment. Let things happen. No reason to think about. Inner silence!
Maybe some scenes may appear in your mind. Just recapitulate them.
I kinda have problems with not being reactive coz when i see a shadow in my mind I instantly get shocked for a moment and then return back but those moments stop my progress
Then, what about feeling the shock itself? Did you ever mention it as a gift? Change your narrative. All you need is inner silence. No weird concepts. More sobriety. Stay cool and go on. It may take some time. That's okay.
Okey thanks good luck in ur life
The soul isn't immortal in the sense you may think.
Yes, it is an eternally existing construct, but in most cases the consciousness attached to to soul fades, leaving a mere imprint of past experiences.
The sorcerer seeks to make the soul his own, not as a source of life, but as a means of power. To go from simply living with an immortal soul to become the conscious self that drives the soul for all of eternity (or till the will to do so runs out).
A sorcerer doesn't necessarily want to live as an inorganic being, it just so happens that it's a milestone in his growth process. At this point shift between forms and Manifestations becomes second nature.
Good explanation thanks.
But sorcerers do still need external source of energy or not?
Initially, until they can tap into the purest form of energy and become (one with) the source
There must be other ways to become one with source
What do u think
Absolutely. A myriad of paths to choose from. Yet not all of them end in true liberation.
Some ways end up with "returning to the source", where you (volunteer to) become a servant to the highest powers.
Others lead to a pragmatic segregation of identities, a dualistic communion with the source, with one borrowing his powers from the other.
A few even result in a succession doctrine. The individual becomes inseparable from his identity and needs to pass on his soul to an offspring or disciple to assume a new identity and perception.
Each one has their own charms and flaws, however they are equally valid in the bigger picture.
Thanks for ur knowledge helped me a lot to understand you guys a bit better
I wish u luck and success in your journeys whatever you choose to be
You guys better don't mix things up with outside stuff. Just take "energy" instead of "soul". Energy can't be lost, but we live in a recycling universe, so it's natural to be transformed one way or another. Every sorcerer who "burns from the fire within" will transform into a specific inorganic being. It's the ultimative goal!
You guys have to realize, the organic side belongs to the being called planet earth, with its own intent. All those material things are thus stable because of the awareness and energy of planet earth. But what about our own stability? It's poor! Usually death means the immediate collapse of our own energetic structure. If the organic side disappears, we're no longer provided by planet earth and there would be no other choice than returning to the energetic source of everything ("eaten by the eagle") for getting recycled.
A sorcerer fights a whole life long for the chance to change this fate. To have a choice at the moment of death. The possibility of another kind of transformation which allows to keep the own energy. But it only works if you expand your own awareness to the maximum possible while existing with an organic body. This is our intent! And our preferred method is called "J-curving", because it works without needing a Nagual. And of course, you'll notice, we're not alone in the universe. It's full of life. Aliens over aliens. But on the inorganic side. IOBs! Even planet earth is an alien. And humans are just aliens living on this specific alien. The interface is the organic side.
A sorcerer wouldn't just collect some inventory like this for mental masturbation. Instead, own experiences, systematically done! Our wiki offers enough instructions.
Your Tonal seems rather filled my friend.
What's the use of conforming to a fixed vocabulary if the knowledge you intend to convey is drowned in superfluous details.
You talk about not collecting inventory for mental masturbation, yet you rebuke me for my choice of words whilst regurgitating pretty lines from Books.
Answers to questions should cater to the one asking, not to validate one's own oh so deep understanding.
In silence, things getting obvious without any books. What you think about "superfluous details" are narrative changing results, experienced because of practicing inner silence.
Terms are bound to specific intents. Mixing things up causes a dead end to a formerly pure intent. A sorcerer wouldn't want this.