I looked for the word derealization on here and nobody has mentioned it. Those this come with the territory of practice? I can't say I've experienced during dark room gazing (I am still a newbie). But it's happened twice now, both instances I was awake and during daylight while walking thru a doorway.
One was at a shop I was exiting and the other when I was walking into my room. It felt like I shifted into I don't know what and then cameback. It was so pronounced that I had to take a breather and check my surroundings.
Sort of like this video (at the 1:05-1:20min mark)
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Not for me at this point in my work.
Definitely, pretty constantly, but I may have some type of underlying condition as I haven't heard of it being particularly common.
I think I maybe the same way, it just feels a bit transcendental and what the japanese would call yugen
No idea about yugen, but transcendental seems accurate. It just gets weird when things around you stop making sense.
I think I may have mispelled it, it's a japanese word which doesn't exist in english as far as its definition. It means something too deep and mysterious and to describe
Best I can think of is sublime
Maybe add trippy as balls too.
I kinda tapped into this during my 'walking as the Double' practice 2 days ago. When I entered my house, it felt like an altered state of reality for sure.
yes
Be careful of outside stuff.
I got a lecture on that last night from an entity I haven't been able to identify yet.
He was guiding me to build a "diagnostic wheel", although I didn't realize what was going on at the time.
I shifted my assemblage point into the mid orange zone, could see whitish light forming a surface right in front of my eyes, but when I used my fingers to stimulate it I couldn't get it to form any dream scenes. I use that as a test of how far I am in the orange zone.
That's never happened to me before in the orange zone. That I couldn't get the emanations to "reskim" on demand (materialize visible things)>
So I wondered what I'd done wrong that night, my entity showed up, and I got a lecture from silent knowledge.
On what harms our ability to learn sorcery.
The worst was the desired to become a teacher of it.
But anything from outside was also an issue, because even though we hear an explanation, description, or even what seems to be a useful technique, and think we can use just that and speed up learning sorcery, we don't realize that it has roots which cannot be removed.
Roots in the emanations.
And if you keep that thing in your awareness you are tied to those other emanations, which will interfere with trying to skim the emanations to get what you want.
Think of it like an amazing ruby you find on the ground, reach down, and pluck it up with your fingers.
But it has very long roots. Dirty roots, covered in soil.
You can't get those off. So you toss it in your pocket, and now you're going around with sand.
That said, it sounds to me like awareness of your double.
No big deal. Happens more and more as you progress on the J curve.
See those Olmec states in past posts, which have the double clinging to the person's body.
The tensegrity causes that to happen.
Inner silence makes everything foreign and unreal, because self-talk is how we form the world.
Sounds like you may had 2 short episodes of inner silence.
I think that they have happened more times throughout my life. Weirdly enough the constant variable is when going through a doorway, like a physical doorway.
I read somewhere that whenever you forgot what you were thinking about, that it'll comeback to you if you physically retrace your steps and walk back through the doorway you came thru (this is assuming you were in physical motion doing something while having different thoughts of something unrelated, I have ADHD so this is my life, LOL)
Sure. Especially before age 12, that way of being is not uncommon.
That said, it's can be a bit freaky when that happens, but don't let it interrupt your practice because inner silence is one of the major goals. Inner silence is the precondition to everything else, so just keep working on that.
Dear Bourne,
Yes, I can say with certainty there does exist a threshold for derealization. I have mentioned it but perhaps that “nobody” was me since I just use DP/DR and wasn’t a search result. Most don’t come back from this state after the threshold. This isn’t a mystery really, modern psychology just doesn’t understand it well and there isn’t much in terms of treatment. Go to r/depersonalization and see how desperate they are.