Is there anyone knows in details how to accurately practice the face yoga that Clara taught Taisha? Particulaly this part. Thank you, I would be very appreciative.
The image link: https://imgur.com/3PEl5ry
Is there anyone knows in details how to accurately practice the face yoga that Clara taught Taisha? Particulaly this part. Thank you, I would be very appreciative.
The image link: https://imgur.com/3PEl5ry
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Scroll down to the 8th pass on this page, The Passes For the Face; that entry includes a post with some illustrations and unofficial videos:
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/tensegrity/mapping
This Japanese face massage if done in inner silence and with full awareness in the hands and the face is even more powerful. It's similar to some advanced Qi Gong face massage principles:
One of the most important points is to be fully present in the movements, but not analyzing them with the mind. Letting the heart and energy to connect to both sides of the face and observe any tension or inconsistencies. All the muscles need to be relaxed. The mind completely still.
Those exercises have a different intent. Even if one or two of them are superficially similar.
Their intent is not to work on the energy body.
Be sure to treat them purely as a physical exercise, and not as a replacement to Tensegrity.
Whether you work on the energy body or on your physical body, it's you who sets the intent. If you do it from the inner silence and in full awareness of your energy flow and its interaction, that's all that's needed.
Not entirely true.
The movements themselves are storehouses of cumulative intent, whether it's Tensegrity movements or Qigong movements.
Not until a sorcerer is quite advanced, or quite empty to be more accurate, can they turn any movement into a sorcery movement thru the mastery of intent.
Until then, best not to mix things. Keep such exercises as you linked above as something of a side-hobby.
Again, we have to testify for the position of making sorcery one's primary orientation...as that's our purpose in here.
or learn to apply your intent to them. otherwise how do you become an 'advanced' sorcerer?
By not bypassing the established beginning and intermediate steps, or striking out on your own before you have the necessary druthers to not get lost.
All you need to set an intent is awareness that comes from inner silence and a disciplined mind that doesn't get in the way. If that's what you mean by beginning and intermediate steps then yes. Until then any practices are superficial even Qi Gong.
It sounds like you're new to this subreddit.
In which case you should do more reading of the posts in the sidebar.
If you're not new, you should understand that this place is dedicated to a very specific practice. And that you won't get anywhere making this argument.
This is an on-topic forum and the topic is not Qi Gong. There are forums (subs) for that, this isn't one of them.
Qi Gong is for old people hookups outside the Ikea. It's yet more fake magic from Asia.
It's a "franchise" for people who don't care if they take money from others, using a con game.
There's no web page anyone can point to, where anything interesting is happening among people doing chi gung.
They don't even visually see their energy, and everyone I've tried to interest in that (all over the world), becomes crazy angry at the idea.
Don't anyone get sucked into Asian mental masturbation!
Be honest and go look around. If you only see promoters, and no real people working together and sharing tips as you see in this subreddit, the fraud is obvious.
This is a very narrow perspective. Do you know that Castaneda's lineage originated in Shamanic Taoism, where Nagual Lo Ban came from? He was a practitioner of Chinese internal martial arts, Bagua, Qi Gong and Chinese shamanism. The lineage evolved when it got mixed with the Toltec tradition but most of the practices, including dreaming come from the Shamanic Taoist tradition, which originated in China and Tibetan Bon. And yes, advanced Qi Gong practitioners do see energy and cultivate their link with the infinite. I am not talking about people who practice it just for well-being but those who are on a spiritual path to total freedom.
The techniques that were advised for Castaneda or Taisha were very particular for them because of their personal predisposition. It doesn't necessarily means that the same techniques are suitable for everyone and will produce the same results. One the contrary.
You might also want to take a look at works of Lujan Matus, who practices Taoist and Tibetan internal arts, like Qi Gong, along with Toltec path as they come from the same roots.
I can speak only from my own experience, and I don't see any contradiction between Taoist practices and the Toltec path. I respect and practice both.
Go away.
Daoism is only about 2600 years old, and a complete con game created by an Akkadian poppy wine cult. To this day, Daoists grow poppies to make their drink.
In Asia, old men know, Daoists are child molesting alcoholics.
Did you even bother to look at what Asian Daoists actually do?
Not the western zombies looking for a "cheap franchise" opportunity, like Lujan.
Real Asians know what Daoism is.
There's also no truth to it at all, it's just a message that appeals to angry men because you can pretend it, and don't have to actually do any work.
It's like Krishnamurti's con game.
Olmec shamanism is 10,000 years old and created before money, so there was no motivation to cheat people or make up things.
We have history lessons in here, and it's pretty obvious where our magic comes from. Even DNA evidence of the origins.
Including figurines showing techniques, which by themselves are 2000 years older than Daoism. Figurines that if you know any sorcery at all (unlike total fraud Lujan), you can see it's the same techniques we use in Tensegrity.
Pics are in here!
You just haven't been interested enough in this form of sorcery, to do much studying.
Lujan is one of the worst around, a very bad men. He's abused a lot of people.
But there's 50 more just like him out there.
Find another place to masturbate in public!!!
You won't gain anything in here. You lack the sobriety needed to learn sorcery, and will only harm beginners with each comment you make.
Can't you see that this is the last chance to put real magic into the Castaneda community, the kind in the books that got everyone interested?
But you're happy to have an evil man masturbate in front of his students.
You think that's the same as what's in the books.
It's really sad. I suppose I'll never understand it.
It becomes more and more apparent to me that bringing things to a head quickly, when they could drag one’s energy out for weeks otherwise, really is a blessing.
I’m just not cut out to be pointed (or nasty)! But I can tap a few buttons, to keep things on track.
This guy could even be here with the knowledge of Lujan, who feels my breath breathing down his evil neck.
This guy is saying Lujan is daoism oriented, but in chat one woman said he also claims to be re-incarnated, and it's all just buddhism.
Which is even more modern than Daoism!
10,000 year old magic from the siberians, comes from crummy Chinese philosophy?
How delusional can people get? And all just because they can spot "a good franchise opportunity" when they see one.
We got one from "the real don Juan" the other day!
At least, as best I can figure out. If I make a mistake, that's also part of their cover. Slightest mistake, and they can change the subject.
One guy is trying to take over for Kacholka or Kachorka, or whoever that man is. I suppose the guy is so old, someone is eyeing his throne. This guy thought he could steal it, by going around promoting his teacher. Explaining that sorcery really comes from that guy, not from Carlos.
I became a thorn in his side.
So someone came here to refute me.
But no one noticed.
Usually the "plants" show up in private chat. But not always.
O'Neil has sent a couple after me.
Carlos must have known far more about his attackers, than anyone suspected.
But he decided to just avoid it all, because at the time, it still seemed like his workshops were going to work in the long run.
Then he got ill.
But he was out of time, and couldn't readjust.
When you learn to see inorganic beings in the daylight, you start to realize something.
Sorcerers just keep walking, and don't even turn their head.
If there was someone nearby who could see them too, they might comment or stop to look.
But there isn't.
Is it illegal to reply to your own reply?
I get it now!
This guy is "franchise shopping".
That's why he comes in and doesn't think, "Holy Shit! This place actually has magic."
Instead, he's like, "Himm... I can respect this business. I might see myself doing that."
He just wants to know "how expensive" the franchise is. The less work and the higher payoff, the better.
That's why he likes Lujan Matus. Cheap franchise, big payoff. Comes with fringe benefits too!
And he's already trying to create a Daoist franchise as can be seen in his history.
So maybe if he claims what we do is just Daoism, he can copy Lujan, who claims what we do is merely Buddhism.
Perhaps even combine them, for a double franchise.
Like one of those Taco Bells, inside a gas station snack shop.
Lujan's tacos, next to Daoist deserts.
He just made the mistake of looking where the franchise is the most expensive in the world, that's all. Didn't realize the price to pay here is to actually learn what you plan to charge others to learn.
I have to cook my own food, due to fatal allergies.
One thing I've noticed is, people actually put recipes up on the web to get advertising revenue, that no one ever tried to make.
Because the instructions are flawed. And there's no reviews.
Or the instructions are so bad, you could cut out half the steps and get a better result.
Which I do!
I suppose the greed and fraud is everywhere.
It's "nothing but endless folly out there", as don Juan explained.
I'm surprised the Castaneda community gets so angry when I point that out.
How dare you!
I got that yesterday.
"Are you saying, everything is fake, but what you do????!"
That from a Castaneda "teacher" who uses a scary skull and badass Toltec name on his Facebook page.
So I got another pity pie in the face from him.
Carlos called those, "syntactic commands".
Syntactic cream pie?
Check out Almaxim's past comments.
He wants desperately to be a "wise teacher", so he goes around pretending to have answers.
Keep scrolling, it takes a while to see what he's all about.
Luhan must be his idol!
Here's a very useful tip for beginners.
When you see someone say he, "respects" something, it's a sign of a bad man.
He'll respect your pretending, so that you feel social pressure to respect his.
But when you have real magic, you soon come to realize that this pretending is precisely what destroys any chance for magic to exist.
If I believed in the fliers, I'd say they love this guy. He does their work, voluntarily.
You are talking literal nonsense. I see this garbage has been fed to you, by "Lujan" Faker. Do yourself a favor and boot his trash to the curb.
He's not from don Juan's and Carlos's lineage and just makes crap up to sell to suckers.
Do whatever you like for your personal evolution, but don't be a sucker.
Keep in mind, if you want to perceive tensegrity passes like that for yourself, meaning visually see the effects, you have to get out to the deep orange zone.
Every system out there selling pretend magic, relies on people not actually expecting anything to happen.
Chi gong for example is infamous for their mental masturbations. But no one even believes it all becomes visible if you work hard and learn silence. And god help you, if you suggest chi gong could allow you to break the laws of physics and leap through a solid wall.
I've tried to spread that knowledge all over. I just get lynched. Chi Gung = greed for money.
In fact, in Asia Chi gong isn't even taken seriously. It's a fun topic for morning talk shows, but in no way do Asians react to it as "mysterious" as westerners tend to do.
We fall for anything foreign! The same way Koreans fall for American TV preachers who heal on TV.
I believe westeners fall for things like chi gung, because they see $$$$$. A franchise potential!
So Clara's passes really need one of us, someday, to see what they do in the deep orange zone. Maybe create some "real chi gung" knowledge, so it spreads back into the asian pretend magic.
I have too many "hobbies" in the darkroom already, so I can't do it.
But I suspect it'll be spectacular.
When the effect is more like a multi-vitamin, meaning you just "feel better about yourself", that's a tragedy to me.
The world is drowning in placebos.
Cholita is the one to try that. Pity she's not interested.
What do you think of Yoga?
Is that also pretend magic?
Is there no benefit in being more flexible even if you don't subscribe to any of the Prana theory?
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/i3jyo2/anyone_have_any_thoughts_on_relationship_between/g0c40bl
Treat it like an exercise for the health and function of the organic body, but realize that it's "spiritual aspects" have been blown out of proportion over the millennia, and that there are far more efficient and effective means of working on the energy body in this sub.
Yes, obviously it's pretend. Doesn't even take much of a look to see that. It's all closed eye meditation and exageration of your ordinary dreams. And idol worship, fund raising, and delusional rehashes of old writings that never did anyone any good.
However, the postures are very healthy, and that can cause mental calmness.
You're right about that. An excellent exercise!
Problem is, there's no magic until you move your assemblage point, and Yogis don't even know what that is. Mental Calmness isn't going to move the assemblage point far enough to be useful. You'll get some minor green zone effects, that's all. You can get those with jogging or praying.
And then there's those delusional "Chakras". Nothing but book deal.
And a constant source of bad player bullying.
Yoga best survives because it has lots of "franchising rights".
But no Yogi has ever managed to teach magic to their students. At least I've never seen one.
Look in this subreddit. This is what it looks like, when people are REALLY learning magic. They're sharing, and explaining, and asking very real questions. Not masturbating and wishing and pretending.
There's no such place for any other system, including Yoga.
But if that's not obvious enough, go to the classics.
Yogananda taught a total of 0.
Same for Muktananda, and Meher Baba.
And Patanjali, the source of most of their "magic" claims, was clueless. Discovered mental echoes, but didn't understand them at all.
And his instructions are useless to anyone who really wants to make those work. Patanjali doesn't even seem to understand why that works.
Also, in India Yogis are off their rockers. It's only in the west it looks so tidy.
Westerners are suckers. Out of greed.
Many yogis in Indian are drug addicts, begging for money to buy drugs so t hey can return to the places they can live rent free, and get high.
If you want to learn magic, you have to be honest and have some sobriety.
Prana theory?
Show me where people learned magic from that?
Don't you want magic, or are you only after attention?
Magic is not some guy's claims. Or a writeup on someone delusional like Milarepa.
It's a place like this.
Or, a place like the "build your own model rocket" subreddit.
Or the knitting subreddit.
Those are obviously real. People are really learning in there.
Magic should be no different.
I have been shown these many times in Cleargreen or Being Energy groups. Done that way/at that level they definitely remove tension from face/eyes and have a rejuvenating effect. As all passes they bring silence also. Great but no big deal.