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the mold of man, anyone precieved it?
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Great question. I’d be curious to hear answers as well
If I remember, it's the place of perception where's many thru the years have had a " vision " and it left the perceived with a sense of religious fevor
Issue being that the mold of man can only give answers to the questions we can think to ask, which kind of makes it like an über-Google?
that is interesting. How do you know it’s a “super google”? Where’s that written if I may ask
Meaning was intended as a metaphorical oracle that is literally (at least within the human sphere of experience, knowledge, and memory) all-knowing.
I’ve actually been looking for a super Google type thing. To absorb all of the knowledge known to mankind. This seemed more on the lines of silent knowledge, but can the mold of man (what other paths seem to call Superconsciousness or the Superconscious mind) also have this ability to tell you absolutely anything you want to know? This may be an interesting topic?
Not just a topic! We get to DO what’s written, if we take things seriously and actually put in the effort and time.
You believe having access to this kind of “super Google” is actually possible? Do you think any past naguals have had that? Or anyone on this group? I’ve been able to stop the world a few times and engage with the second attention, but this ability seems a bit beyond my current conception
You're misrepresenting the term "stopping the world." That only happens after there hasn't been a single word in your head for at least 2 minutes and probably closer to 15-20 minutes. The world literally disappears, replaced by the pure perception of the emanations as golden lines of light.
And yes, Carlos and past sorceres had "super Google." In private classes he used to read text off of his hand and see the lesson plan (from infinity) for the day scroll as text within his field of vision.
And pay attention to the current and future posts that are marked with the flair "Silent Knowledge."
Pardon my ignorance. I have not experienced that. At what level on the j curve would you say this super Google is? Is it at the point of silent knowledge (the orange zone)? And if that’s the case at what zone in the j curve is the mold of man seen?
Silent Knowledge (super Google) is at the very end of the J curve. The purple position, where the assemblage point is very close to the energy body's second attention assembly point. Sort of shadowing each other.
It's the position that Don Juan pushed Carlos and the apprentices into when he slapped them on the back.
We don't have that back slapping as an option, so we move it along the J curve instead.
what zone of the assemblage point is the mold of man seen?
I don't think it's so much in a particular zone, as it is a matter of one's Intent...or simply being offered that view by INTENT.
Monks and mystics that never managed to get past the Green Zone, have probably had visions of it.
is the same thing the case for the “samadhi states” which Buddhist and Hindu yogis enter? Are they intending themselves to stop their heartbeat, breathing and to feel ecstasy (a feeling often accompanied by a vision of the mold of man, but they see it as an orb of light or something similar)
This is particularly interesting because they’re able to do this without leaving the green zone. I thought intent first moved the assemblage point which in turn influenced perception. Did not know intent could affect perception directly.
They're liars mostly. Some have very minor experiences, which they "Hype up" based on permission given to them by their system.
But most just lie.
If you believe them, you should spend some time studying the "magic" subreddits and try to understand why they actually have no magic.
Right now you seem to be confused into believing, "magic all all over".
That you have "many choices".
A fatal mistake for learning sorcery.
A book deal mind question. Meaning, you don't really want the answer, because it wouldn't make any sense to you anyway.
It's something else motivating you to ask that.
Something not compatible with working hard to get answers for yourself.
I assure you; I hardly make a satisfactory economist. Book deals are far away from my field of expertise at the moment.
I only asked that because of what I’ve seen you say about Buddhist monks and the green zone. It would make sense that the mold of man lies there, because of the reports such monks make about seeing and because of the claim that they haven’t gotten anywhere past the green area (the one gained by chanting, meditating etc).
If what techno says about it being possible to intend Visions without moving the assemblage point first, I suppose that makes sense.
It can be troubling to try to decide what Buddhists actually manage to do, because they lie so much.
Everyone does. It's all pretending! Daoism, Buddhism, Kabbalah, Hinduism.
Naturally if you do anything to "interrupt" the internal dialogue, weird stuff happens. Green zone stuff, but you could move to the red a bit too.
But trying to equate any of that to what we do, will only lead to troubles for someone who wants to learn.
And the failure to notice all of those systems are huge lies, is going to cause you to carry their baggage and try to move along the J curve with it.
It's not possible.
I suppose that's impossible for someone starting out to believe, because every system claims to be the "best".
Except, just go look. There's not even one place like this, for any other magic system.
Not one.
And not charging money, not having a cult, not being a religion, and obviously having no reason to help others, than sincere desire to perpetuate magic?
There's none of that out there. Naturally. Because they have no magic! Just greed.
And in all the time people have been "following" the Buddha, how come no one "exceeded the master".
In any real activity, a student always comes along and using the advantage his teacher gives him, on what to focus his attention, surpasses the master.
In Buddhism, that's "blasphemy".
Which means, it's nonsense.
Or let me try another angle.
I have magic. The real thing.
Would I get angry if Daniel Ingram, the fire kasina buddhist, began to do more magic than I can do?
Hell no!!!
Please Mr. Ingram, kick my butt!
Anyone who actually has magic, does not get angry when someone else does.
It's only those pretending, who get angry. Because they assume the other guys are pretending too, so they're really angry for being "disrespected" in the world of pretend magic.
One final way to look at it.
There were some little girls in my elementary school, who liked to pretend to be ponies at recess time.
They galloped around the playground, attacking little boys on occasion, and then running away.
They had the most skilled monkey bar spinning moves you could imagine! Very impressive!!!
They could swing so high, your heart dropped into your stomach, worrying they would fly off the swing in the wrong direction.
But if you actually believed they knew anything about horses, you were sadly mistaken.
That's Buddhists. All "whinny", no horsey.
Not trying to suggest Buddhists or anyone else has real magic. They’re explanations don’t seem to point that way and their practices are more faith based. But wouldn’t it be more useful to explain where their limitation is than trying to polemicize Buddhists/Hindus/ daoists as being inferior? Explaining that their practices are limited at the green or red zone for particular reasons is a useful insight and helps misguided people understand what makes Toltec sorcery so valuable. But what’s the point in writing long passages and analogies to continually “roast (as the kids say)” other systems?
If I’m reading your correctly then is the mold of man is in the green / red zone?
correction to last statement:
The mold of man must be between the red zone and the orange zone (closer to the side of orange). Reason: Don Juan says in this link (https://toltecschool.com/toltec-indexes/index-page-14-2/index-page-14 which is from the fire from within mold of man chapter), that the mold of man is seen near the area where the barrier of perception (I.e wall of fog) and dreaming body are seen. From Dan’s j curve diagram that a slight bit before entering the orange zone.
It's fun to try to position stuff. I do it all the time!
But remember how the "Men of Knowledge" could summon the images of people as mushrooms, using the "moth dust" and some magic mushrooms (and Little Smoke the entity).
Those guys had to use power plants to move their assemblage point, and it's unlikely they got out of the red zone.
Fortunately, stuff "skips around". We get "previews".
The Mold of Man can show up just about anywhere in your progress. Green zone can bring the mold of man, if you "follow" a trail leading there.
It's really just all the emanations in common among men, that are glowing. Relatively easy to "detect" as long as you aren't stuck in the blue zone.
I once was "pushed" into seeing it, by a lightning strike near my home. I was silent, likely just in the deep green zone, the lightning hit and the whole house shook, and when I got over it I was facing him. The shock of the lightening must have jolted my assemblage point to a new position.
He said, "What did you want to ask?"
I ran for my life.
Which verifies who it was. The witches told us about it in lecture notes. You get to ask him for something.
Carlos even suggested that "mystics throughout the ages have seen the mold, and assumed it was God".
None of those mystics had any knowledge of the assemblage point. It's unique to the Olmec. Very unlikely they could get that far on the J curve.
But if you are right, you are saying, he's in the "pink zone".
A very good place for visual magic!
The pink zone is a little like a seedy swap meet.
asking the mold of man for something is actually surprising given how Don Juan says that the mold of man cannot save us or interfere with our lives in any way.
But, La Gorda also mentions that you can “ask” the mold of man something in the second ring of power (but she forgets to). The question must be more taking into account the fact the mold of man knows everything about humanity (and in that respect is a kind of super Google), as opposed to the religious definition of the term which usually means to ask for “blessings”, or a “wish”
One of the most relevant chapters from the books:
https://toltecschool.com/toltec-indexes/index-page-14-2/index-page-14
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A surprisingly decent discussion:
https://eden-saga.com/en/the-human-mold.html
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The promise of a worthless servant to a worthless master is worthless,” he said and choked again with laughter.
Lol!!!
I'm mainly curious why you're so curious.
You've read the books and retained enough to want to ask about the mold of man, so you know that inner-silence is a shit-ton of very difficult work and given that you know that, it's just weird that you wanna quiz people, instead of wanting to get down to business.
All humans have insane resources if we can just let go of our false sense of continuity by shrinking or dethroning self-importance, so it's not like you couldn't just work on it yourself, because that's just achieved with the practices.
At least I feel assured that is the case even as a beginner because every single thing I've tried from the books has worked quite well. Often scary well. Though, I generally set my sights lower than seeing the mold of man and having the energy to recollect that experience, because that seems to take years of sustained effort, especially redeploying enough energy to recollect and I'm not aware of having put in that level of effort.
What about you? Have you seen the mold of man? Are you trying to see the mold of man? Are you aware that you can shift your AP to do things like that if you simply work on silence, just like they did in the books?
Folks in here are having a gesture with intent, and you could too if you decided to work on silence daily.
Clean your link with intent.
Edit: That's really all this sub is about, the practice of cleaning the link with intent. Preserving the knowledge of how to move your AP and supporting the practicing of that right now, through a voluntary association of people all working on cleaning the link with intent.
He might be a "comrade type" who hasn't exposed himself yet.
Or a "groupie" type, who likes, "look what I found" stuff.
Or, he's reluctant to "get fooled again" and waste a bunch of effort.
Carlos fought this for years. He called it, "jumping".
One time he even got so frustrated, that for a week he tried to teach us about "special projects" he could offer us, and if you wanted to take it up, you had to do it right now. Not later.
Like the time he told us to walk 130 miles to San Diego. Meaning, leave right after class.
No one did.
But he put his finger RIGHT on the problem.
Sorcery isn't about techniques or the details of reality.
It's about deciding. When you decide, you go outside and shout INTENT!!!
And then just get to work.
That's what Carlos needed, so he spent several weeks pointing it out each class.
As you just did.
Usually social pressure prevents people being so honest.
We know, there could be a tantrum if you point out the obvious.
Techno just had to suffer through a HUGE tantrum by a "comrade type" who got tossed out.
He wouldn't accept it, and gave veiled threats he could take this place down, if he wasn't allowed to lurk. Promised not to post anymore, unless it was "really important". Or something like that, I didn't get the bizarre explanation of what might make him post or comment again.
To prove us all wrong, he wrote a long rant on how superior he had become, due to being impeccable.
He was a first 4 book junkie, with no real interest in learning.
He just wanted to feel superior to everyone else.
Yes, several times.
There's nothing made up in those books!
Even the tiniest, stupid detail, turns out to be true.
I've also visited heaven, the same way Carlos did.
Once fully awake, the other times in silence induced dreaming.
Lovely place.
Juan's seen hell a few times.
But I suppose the coolest thing is, once you reach Silent Knowledge, you realize ALL of it flows from the very same thing.
It's all "inevitable".
I used to hear bad people (mostly buddhists) claim it's all stolen from other stuff, and Carlos just "Hodge podged" it together.
Nope!!!!
You hear that from someone, and they're a knowledgeless idiot.
Even if it's an "enlightened master".
The know absolutely nothing.
It's all "out there in plain sight".
Here's an example I saw last night, but I didn't run to write it down.
So it's fuzzy now.
Our goal is, and always has been Silent Knowledge (SK). All of those power plant rituals in the early books, were nothing more than ritual and drug based ways to reach SK.
Of course, the old seers didn't need the drugs. That was the men of knowledge. They wanted stuff they could sell.
But even right away in his apprenticeship, don Juan and Silvio showed Carlos SK.
We read in the books that they took Carlos to a restaurant to see if he could eat in Heightened awareness.
Don Juan mentioned something about answers pouring out of him, instead of his usual questions.
And Carlos experienced it right there. But when he tried to explain what he "knew", he couldn't.
That's what I was doing last night.
I'd been investigating two topics. The "happiness" content of various items you can see in the dark room (puffs, swirls, streaks, sparkles) and whether you could simply play more with one kind, to improve the mood.
There's nothing wrong with the mood the first time you start to see magic floating in the air.
But it's so much work to get even a little, after a few months of that, and if you aren't making fantastic progress because you can't find the time, people tend to get "fussy". They want more!
The mood suffers.
Doesn't happen in a lineage, because you have 15 wise sorcerers to guide you. They make sure you feel entertained and optimistic.
But we're on our own! Just demons for company.
If you get far enough there's that wonderful breath change, but you get used to that too.
By the way, the breath change becomes "external breathing" further out! It's impossible to explain, but you breath from the dark room, not from your body.
That's also related to recapitulation, if only people would so as much of it, as they pretend.
So one of my queries last night was, can't you keep yourself shifted slightly horizontally, to keep the "excitement" going? And left shift, or right shift? How much?
So you can reach SK instead of deciding it's too cold in the world of sorcerers.
It's a long road!
The other "query" I had last night was how to tell one inorganic being from another, when their appearances are starting to get more vague (an inevitable effect of moving the assemblage point).
The first thing I noticed is that those "Questions" were now "contaminated".
I had expectations from the day before. So I had to drop those topics.
It's all about trace intent when you are in SK mode. Even the slightest "thing" or "Impression", or "concern" messed up the flow of silent knowledge.
It's a "topic changer".
My inorganic being didn't buy it, and kept appearing hoping I'd use my gaze to follow her back to her home world.
So I took a chance on "free from" silent knowledge. It's quite overwhelming if you haven't gotten used to it.
I was gazing straight ahead, and saw a tiny sparkle. If I watched it longer, it bloomed into a mini dream bubble.
I scanned my head left, and found another "disturbance" which could turn into something.
In SK mode there's no effort to get fun stuff to happen. And it's stable. You can stay like that for hours.
No more struggle with internal dialogue, except maybe a "reminder" every 20 minutes. Otherwise you'll go down an SK "story path", and it'll turn into fantasizing. SK has no limits. It can also simulate the internal dialogue, but with magic.
Eventually I realized, we have these golden fibers coming from our mid section, running out into space. And at the other end is a dream bubble.
You can gaze around and see the fibers hanging in the air.
They are in fact, what we try to recover by recapitulation!
Recapitulation became fully visible! I could glance around, find a fiber, gaze at its destination and find the past memory. And inhale it back.
The more I inhaled, the fewer fibers were obvious, and finally I saw my energy body.
Cholita's shown me hers a few times, so I was happy to see it looked like hers.
So removing the internal dialogue inevitably leads to the realization that you need to recapitulate past memories.
That mold of man you ask about, begins to "fall off" in that state.
You see "pieces" of what make you , "you" fall away, like they were just plaster stick ons, over your energy body.
Each is a concern that is so "thick", it forms a real "thing". Even a solid thing.
But it's all an illusion based on living in a single position of the assemblage point.
We pick up baggage from any position at which we linger.
But, the baggage is the same as those past memories, attacked to us by energetic strands!
So if you're looking for cool, "book deal stuff", like the mold, to convince yourself it's worth learning, never fear.
This isn't a fake magical system like all of the others.
There's no "poetry" hiding the "true meaning".
No buddhist "levels" to the explanations, to protect the real thing.
No crap.
What they say, is literally true.
It's rather surprising. You think those "energetic connections" to past events is a metaphor.
Nope. You literally see a yellow to orange glowing thread stretching out from your stomach, leading to a flat screen TV view of a historical event.
If you gaze into it you zip into that past memory, as if it were a dream.
Sober! Wide awake! Eyes open!!!
No one does that. Instead, they try to confuse you with "sacred texts" which in fact, are lies.
In each "sacred text" is an appeal to male greed, to give you the sensation of some "deep truth" that makes you feel good, and believe it must be true.
It's like telling a little kid about santa claus, and then telling him he has to behave a certain way, to please that old demon.
All we have, is literal.
Here's a better explanation of the mold of man.
Each human is an egg of luminous fibers.
There's "zillions" in there!
But even more outside. Infinity itself I suppose.
Man uses a fixed set of emanations, even if that set is so large there's more of them than atoms in the sun.
For some topics, every single person on earth has a fixed set glowing. Things universally known or believed by humans.
You can think of "God" as being a pea sized batch of emanations which each and every human has glowing.
Or maybe, nearly all of them. I guess some isolated group of people might not have heard of God.
So when you get silent, and are doing "free form silent knowledge", you can't help but notice that particular glowing pea. The mold of man.
It pulls you, and you find yourself looking at that specific collection of glowing emanation, as a "being".
That's god.
But as don Juan explained, it's really everything good in humans. All they aspire to be.
As glowing emanations.
Not because that's actually a real thing. It's a phantom!
It exists only because, everyone is making those very same emanations glow.
So they've formed a "dip" in reality.
If you let your awareness "roll around" the emanations, it'll fall into that dip once in a while.
And you get to see the mold!
Heaven is the same way.
It exists because so many people expect it to exist.
In perfect silence, you can "experiment" with this theory.
Even before you are capable of seeing the mold.
In the darkroom, when you can clearly see the second attention fog, just say, "Hamburger".
Then drop it. Forget you said it.
And see what comes.
There's a good chance it'll be related to hamburgers.
Because you just added awareness to that range of emanations.
You might even find yourself sitting in a booth at McDonalds, about 3 minutes later.
That takes a "lull" in awareness, to allow the assemblage point to move freely. So the act of forcing even deeper silence, and forgetting about "hamburger", loosens the assemblage point up from the current spot, it drifts a tiny bit, and then the fact that you said, "hamburger" helps select where the assemblage point ends up, after moving.
It's all the same thing!!!
Sorcery is just one topic. Intent.
I feel inorganics , one had an electric buzz that scare me and made me nauseaous