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Now, I can't say I'm a follower of any sort of teaching methods. In fact, my only living philosophy is to reject all teachings and live by my own authority. It's worked thus far and has brought me to strange places. Especially the disintegration of "me." You might be wondering why I'm even posting on this particular sub reddit. It's simple, Don Juan's teachings are the closest I've seen so far relate to my perspective on reality. The overlap is quite unsettling but at the same time comforting. I guess I'm not the only lunatic here.
I don't really expect a straight forward answer to this. Not that it matters, everything gets answered eventually in my world. However, I would definitely like to hear from y'all's POV. The other night while I was surfing the void. I'm like one of those immature kids who can't pick a channel, someone who you shouldn't give the remote to basically. I briefly stopped for a moment because something gave me the chills. So that got me interested. Now, I can't give quite a description of whatever this form of energy was due to words being inadequate (not surprising). All I can say was it was clearly parasitic and wanted to feed off my energy.
So the parasite began traversing through my finger tips and slowly began creeping towards my neck. Some symptoms were intrusive thoughts, goosebumps, high frequency ear ringing, and chills. The usual. Nothing new. Nothing exciting. I got bored of it so I flashed my intent onto it in laserbeam like fashion and I fully expected it to scram away. Except, something completely unexpected happened. I heard a growl and strands of golden light began to emerge from my upper back. Then, I heard the parasite shriek, it knew that it's death was imminent, it began to retrace its way back towards my finger tips. In an instant the golden beast emerged and devoured the parasite. The parasite shrieked in agony and it took an entire week for my ear to recover from that.
The moment the beast devoured this parasite I felt an insane surge of energy rushed towards me. I felt insatiable. Fucken primal. I had to take my partner on the spot next to me to circulate the ridiculous amount of energy I just received. After exhausting her I still felt restless, I felt the energy pouring out of my skull. The spillage lasted for almost an entire week. I didn't have any visitors that week like I normally do.
I always knew there was a sort of beast inside me, but I had no clue that shit was literal. Is there any mention of something like this in Castaneda's writings? Can't say I'm a scholar of his work. I've read probably around a quarter of his books and found no mention of anything like this.
Now that this beast has presented itself to me, it's always with me. Waking and dreaming. Not that it matters. It's all dreaming to me. So, there is an interest in figuring this out. I tried talking to the fucker but he just growls and mostly sleeps. He's seriously lazy af.
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Where did you buy this weed at? Was it top shelf? Who’s your bud tender?
When you say surfing the void and can’t pick a channel, what do you mean exactly?
Sleeping Dreaming? Psychedelics?
There’s no work possible in either one of those that will pay off enough to matter in the long run. 4 Gates Dreaming is best left to women, since they have the optimized hardware (men should get there via waking dreaming). And psychedelics are for those so rigid they can’t get past their excessive rationality.
Inner work to get to outer wonder, on our own freed resources (+ a little inorganic being assistance at times) is what we’re after.
Neither, I do this while awake. There's no label for what I do. Or any dogmatic teaching. I can do this either with my eyes closed or open. Doesn't really matter, it's irrelevant. I do use psychadelics, but rarely. I use them mainly to change the flavor of reality at times.
When I say I surf the void. I mean just that. My point of awareness changes and I enter a void. From there I begin to surf my way through different portals/dimensions don't care what to call it. That's what they look like. When I say I can't pick a channel I mean I can't pick which one to enter basically. Or which one to resonate to. Does that make sense?
I’m not sure if you’re gonna’ be able to get much useful advice here then.
There are scores upon scores of different things to experience in the second attention.
Putting singular significance on any one of them is a mistake, unless it begins to repeat itself on it’s own or in response to your actions and intent.
Then you’ve found a how.
There’s never a why.
If you’re having such experience every single night, then you already have the win and should just continue with that. Navigate it by finding whatever it connects to, or whatever proceeds from it…then follow the next, and the next and so on.
If you want to pick up any of the formal practices from the books, and use them to get better control… then by all means post the continued results of that, experience–wise. That can help to motivate others.
Thanks for your constructive response. What you wrote about self importance is correct. This post wasn't made to make it's writer look significant nor "special." I wrote it in order to obtain knowledge in a community which seems to capable of producing knowledge. Of course, I wouldn't just accept the knowledge without reproducing it myself. That goes without saying.
I did not mention that I mainly do this surfing using what your community calls dark room practice. It's something I've intuitively done on my own. Hence why I found some magnetic pull to post here. However, as I wrote in the beginning of my post. I tend to reject all teachings and organized methods. It doesn't meant I won't try them out. It means I just take what I find works and continue using it in order to discover new whatever works.
Not sure, although I can relate to the parasites going through the fingertips, you’ll know soon enough what it was, just keep doing the doing
That's all anyone can do. Go forward.
I’m glad someone downvoted me, now I see my mistake
That's your fucked up and ruined tentacle body if it's anything other than you being a sadistic pretender.
If you'd read a bit in the sub you'd know that if you ran into an actual IOB, which based on your description of the physical symptoms seems to be the case, then those want to trade energy, not steal.
It's terribly unlikely you did anything more than make it's scout run away after you dumped energy into it.
They are terribly good at making you think whatever they want to get you to trade energy and that includes playing along when you attempt to destroy them.
The reality is they are virtually impossible to kill because their gap is tiny, so a little human blasting won't actually do shit to them.
However, IOBs are also the primary source of dark energy and only a complete nincompoop with no interest in actually being a sorcerer would try to kill one.
So good job at blasting in here and letting us know you are a stupid sadistic bastard who has no business here.
Next stop - fuck off.
Interesting response.
Wish I could say the same about the post.
It's odd that you react in such a defensive fashion. You seem like the lackey the boss sends out first to taunt the invader but just ends up getting decapitated. Have you ever thought that perhaps you don't know everything? Just a thought.
😂😂😂😂
I'm certain I know nothing, but I seem to smell bullshit.
Are you a bullshit artist or do you just play one on Reddit?
I'm whatever you paint me to be, have fun with it.
😂
Bullshit artist be painting a pretty picture with feces.
😂🤣😂🤣
You're far from the first nut job to visit thinking you hurt IOBs.
Laughable.
The fact is, you're only fooling yourself.
If I was going to paint you, I wouldn't, and then you'd be gone
Yep. We get our fair share of druggy trip reports. People who wander in and consider this a new place to brag about their “revelations.”
Experience has proved that calling them out on it, and in a manner that also reveals how tightly they cling to their ego, is the most efficient response.
And I don’t think hanskey has slept much this week 😳
True facts.
However, the issue is the blatant sadism, which is the opposite of what don Juan taught.
That and the username is a literal announcement to everyone that he's full of shit.
Understandable. I didn't think anything I wrote was "brag worthy." If anything it makes me look like a dufus who was clowning around up until this golden beast decided to crash the party. I'm not sure why Hankey thinks that I claim that I did any of this. I guess he can answer that himself. I clearly didn't do anything with this parasite or I guess what he calls IOB. To me it's just syntax. Not to offend anyone, but words are words. Anyhow, I clearly wrote the golden beast devoured it, not I, I didn't do anything but I suppose be a vessel for this beast. Now, I'm just trying to figure out what this guy is doing here and how long he's been here.
You are the golden beast.
It's literally your energy body, but you're too lazy to read up and find out about the tentacle form of the energy body on your own, because you're so special you follow nothing.
Well, you could've said that in the first place no? Is this not a community to teach? Or do you just ridicule? How would I know to search "tentacle body," without any references? Think about it. I don't follow nothing because I think I'm special. I don't follow any teachings because they have all been disappointing. I'm sure a lot of you can relate to that.
I didn't even recognize you didn't know that until you pointed it out the second time to Techno because I'm tired.
Yes, we can all relate to not following disappointing teachings.
This is a community supporting self-directed learning, not a community of teaching.
We also, therefore, easily recognize when someone wants us to work for them for free instead of putting their own energy into it.
That's not compatible with this path, because literally no one can do the work of mastering intent for you.
Seriously, you really should change your username if you want to stick around here, because it screams "pretender" and "false promises" to everyone that reads it.
Just because you can verbally hand-wave everywhere else about "it's just words man, just ignore how I said what I said" doesn't mean we don't see how self-important you are. It's nausea inducing.
I checked your comment and post history and this is typical for you and you love giving advice that amounts to nothing but gums flapping.
That's problematic always, but especially should you find yourself in the IOB world.
Words can be taken back or hand-waved elsewhere, but both in here and there what you say is for keeps.
Im confused by why you are offended by my username. You wrote it literally means software that disappears. Aka programming that disappears. You talk about self importance being the root cause of all that's wrong. Yet you blatantly point out that I need to change my username because it makes others perceive me in a certain way. If I felt self important then it would stand that I would change my username so your views of me would change in an important manner. Sounds contradicting no?
You keep using this self importance card. Yet, you can't point where exactly I labeled myself as important. If anything, once again, I looked like a fool according to you. I find no reason to defend myself. There's actually no reason to. There's no one to defend in the first place. It would be mighty silly.
I do give advice. Can't say I love it. It's just something I do. Why not? Don't you give advice? Odd.
Are you intentionally misreading or is this just more laziness?
Vaporware is software that's never written but sold anyway.
The opposite of what you'd prefer, because words actually have intent, despite that you think not.
Bragging whether you choose to label it "bragging" or "wind" is self-importance along with the impression you have that we are here for your bidding and to work for you, which we are not.
No one gets paid here and no one walks the path on other people's energy.
It's literally impossible at an energetic level.
Just your expectation that we should serve your learning, by itself, is the height of self-importance.
That you cannot see that yourself further emphasizes that you are deep in the river of shit, your own and others.
I dispense invitations to work, not advice.
It doesn't matter one way or another to me if the invitation is accepted or not because I don't invest in people's outcomes.
However, I am committed to keeping the sub from being flooded with shit-posts like this, where begging for favors (aka energy) is the dominant theme.
We don't welcome energy-vampires. Ever.
Instead we wish them well on their way out the door.
Edit - To put a finer point on it, this a voluntary association of mutual affinities.
No one cares what you do or do not.
No one is invested in your success or failure.
There are no servants and no masters.
We bow to no one and allow no one to bow to us.
You will either work or not and neither is actually important in any way.
We eject folks who are not compatible with doing their own work to their limits and who beg for energy instead of doing their best.
You are lazy and on a self-described great wandering.
Join in the work or do not, but no one is carrying your water for you.
How you interpret the word is purely your intent. One that clearly states that you believe your intent is beyond what I had intended for it. I suppose you have the ability to read my intent? That's a legitimate question.
You continue to interpret anything I post as bragging. Which only makes anything I write a catch 22 when I clearly look out of place in this community. So of course, it's going to continuously come off that way.
I guess I must've unintentionally asked you to serve my learning. I literally had no expectations in creating this post. Just like I have no expectations in what will happen in the next infinity. It's not bragging. It's exactly what it is. I have zero expectations. That's exactly why I can accept your interpretation of me being the lazy golden beast. I am indeed quite lazy, unless we are talking about seeking knowledge, true knowledge. Then I have no problem sacrificing anything for it.
I did not ask for the answers to all my questions. What I asked was purely out of curiosity. I even wrote in the post that I need to verify everything for myself. I don't take anything on faith. Meaning, I do the work to find the knowledge. That's not to pat myself on the back, that's exactly how I have operated. Anyhow, you have already given me sufficient information, and thank you for that. I have not seen any mention of this in the books I have read this far, teachings of don Juan, a separate reality, journey to ixtalan, tales of power, the power of silence, the art of dreaming, and the active side of infinity. Perhaps it was in those books I skipped.
When using language there is broad consensus in meaning, or shared intent, otherwise language would be entirely useless instead of mostly useless.
If you mean something different than the shared intent (consensus definition), then expect to be misread.
Being misread matters for oneself and ones freedom, because how others perceive you literally impinges on your own possibilities at the energetic level.
Everyone gets energetically trapped and manipulated by others' expectations and feelings like it or not.
To ignore that fact is to be manipulated and subject to other's will while unaware of the trap.
We seek total freedom, so that matters here, because we intentionally work to break those bonds.
I'm sure you have the personal power to figure it out and to overcome your expectation of getting carried around by volunteers who owe you nothing, but invite you to get to work on mastering intent instead.
Reading all 17 books may be a good place to start, no one can say with certainty.
Given your lack of self-awareness, I invite you to learn and practice the recapitulation.
We all have the personal power and intent to do this. You said that you searched through my post and comment history. Then that would mean you saw how much I value intent almost to the point where I say intent is all there is. I don't disagree with anything you say honestly. Whether you are pointing it at me or elsewhere.
It would be nice to be carried but no thanks. I like to choose my own direction. You're right I'm selfish in that way. I have to travel alone. I'm too used to travelling alone. I meet many teachers along the way for whom I have immense gratitude for. Carlos and Don Juan included. Even those that are considered fools I have immense gratitude for. Someone had to play the role so that someone else can learn. I played that role, and I'm clearly playing it now in your eyes.
Whether or not I'm manipulated by forces beyond me really does not concern me. I don't find myself that important that I need to say something about it. It was never my choice to begin with. Choice was never a choice to begin with. I do not confuse choice with intent.
That's a misunderstanding on your part then, because a choice is equivalent to a decision and a decision is a command to yourself.
Intent obeys only commands, therefore choices are, in fact, acts of intent.
You've not read the witch's books or you wouldn't be confused on the relationship between choices and intent.
You're correct that nothing is more important than anything else.
If you aren't interested in mastering intent and the magic of permanent decisions which command intent, no one cares, it just means there's nothing in here for you.
As I said, the intent of this place is the mastery of intent, and it reads like you just said that holds nothing of interest for you.
Which is what I said from the start when I stated that you are not compatible with this sub.
At best you are a "comrade-type" bad player making excuses for trash behavior and pissing and shitting on the subs intent.
I'm not going to argue with you on this since I have not read the witch's book. So I do not know exactly what you mean by your understanding of choice. I won't ask you to explain it, I'll find it for myself.
I cannot speak on mastery of intent. My intent is silent. It became silent shortly after I encompassed my life with it. Whether or not that is in anyone's teaching doesn't concern me. I know that intent has guided me all along. I have completely surrendered to it. If it leads me to being devoured by these IOBs like you say, so be it. I'm not here to question why. I'm here to see the spectacle. Nothing that I do is calculated. I'm not even capable of calculating. I lost it, when I lost my mind in place for intent. Whether you choose to believe that or not does not concern me. I have no plans to command this intent. It commands me.
Nah, the IOBs don't devour, they just also can trap you like other people can, through their own intent.
At worst that means you get to live in their realm for millions of years, which is probably not worse than being trapped here.
However, that is obviously antithetical to working for total freedom.
Plus, there's nothing wrong with what you said just there.
You'll either do the work or not, it's not important.
Again, the sub has a particular intent and it requires work to clean the link to intent to arrive at mastery of intent.
Work specifically on inner-silence, including removing self-importance and self-pity.
You stated that intent drew you here, I presume due to some recognition of affinity.
Well to hook yourself to the intent of this place requires a specific type of work from you, if that is your decision, to clean that link to intent and hear it's commands better until you are truly one with intent.
Cleaning the link to intent is not calculating, but it is also not throwing away all your marbles.
It requires abandon, yes, but also sobriety.
Your abandon seems to be in place, but what about your sobriety?
It seems you have no sober levelheaded purpose at all.
There is no room for my purpose in the presence of intent. If I have tarnished the intent of this sub reddit. I apologize. Like you said, my intent has lead me here. I don't judge whether or not it has done me wrong. Who am I to judge? To me what occured was perfect. I'm sure it looked like a disaster to everyone else. I suppose that is the price I pay for my aloneness. One I'm willing to continue to pay.
Even now, while I lay in the dark I am surrounded by these spectral looking energetic forces. They resemble dark templars from StarCraft when cloaked. Intent has brought me here, I don't ask why, but I am here. They hover above me while subtly letting off small twinkles of who knows what. I just call it particles of energy. Have I lost my marbles? I guess so? Despite that, I experience the shifts in energetic patterns, so maybe not? Whose to really say? Even Don Juan had a limit to his knowledge. He had to go beyond infinity to obtain more knowledge.
Anyhow, I am grateful for your responses. You have shown me a lot whether you know it or not.
I too have been seeing energy sparks as we talk.
I admit I don't know everything, and probably nothing.
Following intent is terribly lonely, because so few choose to do so.
It's delightful and terribly difficult because it is often terribly lonely.
Ultimately, one way to read your username that is compatible with the sub is to take it to mean that ourselves are a falsehood, a fraud.
I can choose to view you as a person that recognizes that you don't really exist, because that is the truth of the matter.
We are merely collections of intelligent energy bound together by a force like a black hole - a force that most closely resembles a mixture of mutual affinity, mutual affection and mutual purpose.
Our existence came about to form memories that the dark sea of awareness consumes, because the source of all life and awareness is only made aware of itself through the absorption of those memories.
In death we give those memories to the source, so it may know itself.
When we closely identify and attach to our false selves, then our awareness is also broken down and disbursed.
I attack only your self-importance and it's flip side self-pity.
When you truly feel no attack, there is no self-importance, there is no self-pity.
You say dreaming has been your focus - well and good - I now repeat my invitation for you to balance that with stalking, specifically self-stalking through the recapitulation.
It's fantastic amazing magic and the method by which your awareness may avoid disbursement when the source takes your memories during death.
Thank you as well!
I wish you well and trust your personal power will be up to whatever task you face.
Thank you. I will extract all I've learned from here and it will be put to use the way it was intended to be. It seems I need to reread most if not all the books. I will look at the witch's books first however since I have never viewed them. I do identify with witches in general. It has always been a theme in my life thus far.
I have tried to practice recapitulation in the past but was never capable of doing it. I'm not sure if it's because I had completely abandon my self or it's because I'm completely doing it wrong. Trying to even invoke past memories is quite difficult. The best I can do is invoke feelings of gratitude which I practice daily. If that is a form of recapitulation, then I have done well on that. Perhaps I was meant to be incomplete in that way.
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All of the books are available on YouTube. For recapitulation, refer the last 2 hours from The Eagle's Gift. Good luck!
Thank you, I love hearing Jose Moreno
I also already wrote up a post that should link you everywhere in the sub that is relevant to recap.
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/v3ltsc/back_to_basics_recapitulation_howto
The sub is stuffed full of practical knowledge to the point it can be a challenge to find what you are looking for, but almost everything you might think to ask is covered in a post or comment or in the wiki.
It's waiting for when you decide to dig in and get down to business.
I have saved it and will refer to it while practicing. I started last night, quite forcefully in fact. And if you don't mind, will specifically post any questions there that I cannot find any answers to regarding my own experiences. Before I do, I will refer to the sub and books.
It's possible you are meant to be incomplete, but basically you get to decide and you can intend that for yourself, because a command held long or repeated long enough becomes intent's command.
That's is a uniquely human relationship to intent.
Our commands can become intent's commands.
If I read you correctly the difficulty is that memories are stored in positions of the assemblage point and yours is wobbly as heck and you aren't yet capable of intentionally moving it back to those places where the memories are stored, because you have to intend that movement and you don't yet command intent.
That ability is gained with practice and intent developed through commands you deliver to yourself.
Throw out the formalities of recap and use any memory that you find and just keep doing so, while making sure to use the fanning breath.
The fanning breath is key to redeploying your energy and making your naturally flexible AP useful.
Over time your recall will improve to an astounding degree.
Do some recap everyday for as long as you can until you run out of memories.
Recapping the same memories over and over is fine, because you can recover greater and greater detail until you are reliving those memories.
Recapping the most recent events is also easiest and therefore the best place to start, and recapping sexual experiences redeploys a great deal of deployed energy and gives you a boost to recap more memories and recap them better.
That is what I've done, recapped the most recent event. However, while doing so I was brushed by an energetic force, almost engulfed. I began having foreign memories. Memories totally not mine?
Well there's a few possibilities for those memories.
Indulging in abandon.
Recap attracts IOBs who may insert false memories, according to Dan.
I believe I've run into that.
However, memories from AP positions you haven't been back to can have a foreign and disconnected quality because in a different AP position, you basically are not the you you are accustomed to.
The world and yourself are different based on AP position, the further the AP shift the more profound the difference.
Okay, so if I'm not misinterpreting this. These foreign memories do belong to me, they are only foreign in so the fact that I have yet to assume that AP?
That's definitely a possibility.
Another is that you may have absorbed other people's memories through an accidental rerun.
What sort of things came to mind?
It's hard to recall because the images ran through so quickly. Very vibrant colors, flashes of scenery, and lots of foreign faces. It presented itself in a sort of circular motion if that means anything. It definitely made me dizzy. I had a gut feeling that these memories did not belong to me.
Were you able to keep up the fanning breath?
Yes, but the circular motion was almost as if that force grabbed my head and did it for me.
I can't say what that force is, but it suggests that either your double or your IOB agree with me that you desperately need the recapitulation, desperately.
The recapitulation trains your capacity for the two activities of stalking, by stalking yourself.
One side of stalking is moving the AP intentionally through not-doings (inner-silence generating activities).
The other side of stalking is holding the AP in place with doings proper to that AP position.
For balancing your dreaming you need lots of practice in both, because you are nearly unable to do either at the moment.
Disregard the distractions and place your attention back in the memory you've selected for recap.
Also take the time to properly set up your recap.
Let's take the example of having sex with your mate yesterday.
View the scene from your perspective like a first person shooter game would.
Then bring up every detail you possibly can.
Her smells, her tastes, how she felt to your touch, the sounds she made, every detail of her appearance.
Extend that to the environment.
Find your feelings, find her feelings.
Then press the play button and observe all that in chronological order, intending to return her emotional energy with the out breath, and intending to retrieve your energy with the in breath.
When you are distracted from the memory you've selected, simply return your attention to that memory and continue.
Once you've done that then select the next earlier memory from yesterday and do the same and so on.
You will need to be quite strict and inflexible with yourself for a time to stay on the task.
Great explanation.
Perhaps, but now it's up to you to claim that knowledge through practice.
I invite and I point, but the only thing that counts is your commitment to practice.
Well, not here to waste anyone's time, certainly not my own.
That's fantastic.
Wishing you well.
Trust your personal power and I will too.
I also invite you to learn to stabilize your AP with doings.
The things I invite you to do are -
No more power plants of any kind - you don't need them and the damage they've done is pretty extensive already.
Take a shower to solidify you in your body as needed, based on intent's commands.
Do a little research on proper doings.
Over time and with practice you will be able to identify when you should stabilize your AP and when you should abandon yourself based on following the intent trail of the ancient sorcerers of Mexico.
Fair enough. I don't actively seek to use these plants they somehow always find me and invite me on their own. Like anything else, all I can do is intend and wait for the unfolding.
Sure, but, remember your commands become the commands of intent with repetition.
Intending a long break would be ideal for you walking this intent path, but you have to make the decision for yourself, regardless of what I think is ideal.
That means you don't have to accept every invitation that comes your way, unless it aligns with your intent.
Btw, we saved your post together, so that it is compatible with this sub's intent.
Notice how when you removed self-importance, I stopped attacking.
That's how I exercised my intent in the service of the subs intent, and you ultimately caught on.
That's very well-played.
I've had to reread them myself, but now I must sleep so I'll tell you that story another time.
Goodbye!
Goodbye, and thanks again.
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Just to clarify for any new cats - this is a delightful bad player.
1) No interest in the practices.
2) Loaded to the gills with self-importance.
3) Stated outright their intent is not compatible with that of the sub - they just want to lazily energy vampire off others instead of reading or any other work themselves.
4) They just want us to hand over our time and energy learn a bit and run off instead of reading.
5) A name that literally means pretending there's software when there isn't.
6) So stupid they thought they killed an IOB, when all they did was firehose energy down it's throat.
7) Claims to do dark room and yet isn't familiar enough with Castaneda and don Juan to know IOBs are useful and actually necessary for dreaming.
8) Can't tell the difference between being amoral and sadistic.
9) Failed to notice that the IOB that played dead, not only drank his energy, but gave him a shit-ton of dark energy in return, as trade, which he blew out into his mate instead of saving for dreaming.
10) Doesn't even realize that the "golden beast" is the tentacle form of his own goddamn energy body - it's literally himself which he accurately told us is a lazy piece of shit and impossible to motivate.
It's perplexing that any one would think this guy is anything but a lazy-ass, self-important energy vampire that doesn't know his asshole from his elbow.
On the plus side, he was slightly funny when tested, but on-balance is just another case of fail.
Edit: This sub is for practitioners who ARE practicing cleaning their link with intent.
He doesn't belong.
He could, but he's too self-important to even sit on his ass and read.
Edit x2: Any post should contribute to the intent of the sub as it's stated and this post only contributes fecal water, straight from the river of shit.
You nailed it. This is a long time lurker, who is trying to make himself sound like a savant…instead of a long time lurker.
I can identify this because I AM a long time lurker. Still learning, you guys are a fountain of knowledge.
Smart indeed. I also suspected that he might actually be a guy on a second account trying to "create" a story. Well i guess we will never know, unless he admits to it. And he is ignoring your reply which seems suspicious.
Even if he did, I wouldn’t respond to him anyway.
In another comment, he says that he followed recommendations (studying half a year before posting), but his current account is 18 days old. Which account was he using to survey this sub for the 6 months he was studying? It’s just the attention seeking, narcissism and general dishonesty that rubbed me the wrong way. I can hardly produce experiences anything close to what I hear from Dan, techno and Juan but it’s just so much simpler and much more respectful to ask for the help, instead of pretending to be a natural prodigy.
Well this helped a lot more than whatever you were spouting before. You see, it wasn't all for nothing. A lot more informative. I guess I just had to stir the pot a bit.
It takes longer to articulate things when tired.
Did the guy even mention what silence efforts he put in?
Did he mention "how" he did it?
Did he in any way help others out or just confused them and made the other bad players get more confident about posting random attention seeking experiences?
Did he use our "intent" or some golden beast dirty intent link?
In what way can you confirm he is not making this up?
In what way can you confirm this is not an trip report?
There is no way. There is no real knowledge in this post. 0. Zero.
Nothing. No practical magic no theoretical magic, just overall nothing.
Even if its real its nothing more that a "iob" attack.
I used to get attacked by powerful IObs that tryied to kill me way before i had any practical knowledge of sorcery.
When I was sick, or on drugs. One attacked me in my solar plexus area, an other was choking me by laying on my chest. That was before i even red the 4th book. That was 5 years ago before this subreddit even was known. It was before i even knew how to force silence or see colors. Non of that. But its all shit experience.
Its just a confirmation that he is in a dark place, and that he is broken and weak. I doesn't mean shit.
In a way this can be more misleading than a regular bad player. The worst people i have seen come here are those with random out of context experiences with no practical knowledge. They want to prove their reputation soo bad. Why is the question you should ask. If he wants to learn why fight to prove himself? Why not just read and learn?
Unless they are attention seekers ...
Agreed they are in bad shape, but they came around to deciding to work and reading the books again once we got down to exactly what the worst issue is - they indulge in abandon and believe that is advised by the sorcerers, when it's actually specifically warned against.
To indulge in abandon is to seek death, which will find us anyway and thus is totally pointless.
They are stuck in horizontal shifts of the AP, but if they do the work it doesn't have to stay that way.
Yeah, they are attention-seeking and all the things you and I said and so we have to be ruthless, not cruel.
Everyone starts as a bad player, but when folks hook themselves to the proper intent then we are obliged to do our best to point the way out of shit river.
I could be wrong that they have actually been hooked to the proper intent now, but it will be obvious if they aren't working and we will be watching for further laziness, which would be counter-intent.
They are on a terribly short leash, a precipice if you will.
Ultimately it's not my call if they stay or go, or work out do not, but I don't have to keep them trapped by decided if they are bullshitting or not.
My assumption is they know not to post anything that fails to contribute to the intent of the sub, and that means they won't post for a long time until they can tell for themselves what that intent is.
If they post again in short order about a bunch of unhelpful and useless nonsense, that won't aid in the practical application of the knowledge Carlos, Taisha and Florinda shared, then that shit will be deleted and a ban will be forthcoming.
Not foolin’ me.
Yeah, don't think we can help you beyond Techno's response. Especially if you're only looking to help yourself. But I hear you. I'm here because the experiences I've had line up with what's being explained in this sub, or in Carlos or the witches' books. We both know there's something here. It's palpable.
But hey, at least now you have a pretty golden beast to keep you company as you surf the void.
Thank you, I found what I needed. In a very roundabout way, but I'll take whatever works.
Sounds like you may have a new friend. See what it can offer. I had a mean one that was infesting my dreams for quite a while. Real creepy evil type. It got friendlier though after some time and gave me some crazy lucid experiences. Just don't believe what you 'learn' every time, it's largely just to give you something to masturbate about and bleed that good stuff for it. We all know where delusions can lead.
Best of luck.
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Thank you, I've learned not to believe anything. Believing like you mentioned, only leads to a long road of delusion. I know because that was where I was a long time ago. I'll continue to explore this phenomenon.
Good, that's your best defense against crazyland.
The way you wrote that post seems oddly familiar too me. You write in this self important "ethereal" fashion.
We don't like that, thats why you got all the negative response. I would suggest for you to go atleast half a year without posting, reading all the books and all the content in here.
No laziness will be tolerated. No "ohh i didn't know that, but decided to post this"
You seem to like putting other people in a bad light.
You should really take my advice because half a year isn't that much, and you might learn what is need to realize you shouldn't post random bragging experiences and that no one is in fact is interested.
Not because we "don't care" for progress or whatever, but because there was no mentioning of the efforts it took to get there so no way of knowing if you are lying. Or maybe if you are using stuff to poison yourself.
And litteraly just read the content in this sub including past posts, i mean every answer is possible to find without the help of others.
So for now, you seem like an extreme case of attention seeking.
I won't deny that I do like to paint a good story when I tell it. Just in my nature.
Not really sure why you believe I like putting other people in a bad light. It's normally the other way around. I usually put myself in a bad light. But, if you see it that way, you see it that way. No problem.
I will refrain from posting. I did not know there was some kind of prerequisite to posting. Nor did I know I had to somehow prove my experiences. Not sure how I would do that without looking like I'm bragging? Wouldn't that just amount to posting accomplishments in some manner? Either way I'm inexperienced when it comes to this certain material. Only loads of experience knowing what I know. Which I figure no one is really interested in here so no sense posting it. Which led me to post here in the first place.
I am sure it might've been possible to connect the dots between what happened in my post with the posts here or Castaneda's material. However, I have done what you have recommended (half a year of studying), before even posting in here. It wasn't until Hanksey so graciously answered my question that it made sense. There is just some terminology you cannot think to search for or connect the dots with without someone else who knows more point to it. As I wrote somewhere deep in this post, I travel a lonely path and I keep it that way. I usually refrain from posting. When I do, I admit, I do get a little giddy and excited because it is a rare thing. Anyhow, appreciate the advice
Yes, your right about most things you just said.
I could give one more kind advice.
Think of it like this. We have a choice each second.
If that choice is silence and to be "in this instant" and to be precise, you are on a right track. And when someone is not on the right track it shows. We can tell (some of us) when someone has kindof some interest in reputation not just the answered question.
Its kindof the lie we are told as kids that we NEED friends. Usually we are kind to each other but not because we are super interested in making a new friend.
We like people in here and we love them to an extent yet we do not try to "be" their friends. What that means we are not needy, and don't expect help, although we do get help from time to time. Also it mean we provide value not expecting anything back. You don't have to of course, if you chose to learn alone, (which turns out too work perfectly fine with the right intent)
But assuming your new it not a big deal. When we say "bad player" doesn't mean you are so. Your behavior at that moment might be soo, yet doesn't mean we cant instantly change.
Also we don't poison ourselves in here since we know its more harm than benefit in the long run.
Good luck
And for posting, think of the value you provide to others. What can a beginner learn from this. Does it feel "right" to post it. Does it match our mood. Does it follow our intent.
How’s your sleep quota?
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I did more than this at least 10 times last night. And I went so far into other realities, it was impossible to remember long enough to type it up in the other subreddit.
Dr. Strange would have been a little jealous.
So remember, with your borderline bad player user ID (read the link on the side), there's no "book deal episode" you can use in the future to get something from others, which will help you learn sorcery.
Never forget that.
It's because sorcery is "The Mastery of Intent". Not druglike experiences you can brag about.
Those alter your intent and scatter it, making it impossible to change realities.
Tensegrity done in absolute silence would be a good idea for you.
It's pure intent when done right.
Remember, it's not "bizzarre drug experiences" in this subreddit.
It's the mastery of intent.
Intent is a high percentage of your own intentions.
Which don't look good so far.
Understood, my experience was not one stemming from drug usage however. It's something that occurred while I laid in the darkness exploring. Something I'm familiar with. Anyhow, I got the big picture this subreddit paints.
I've tried practicing tensegrity and something about it felt very unnatural to me. Not in a bad way. Just in a very clunky clumsy way. I do understand its purpose. That's very clear. My body has woken straight up from deep slumber before and went straight to making movements that resembled tensegrity movements but with more flow. Instantly my awareness increased and energy began to circulate with ease. This happens every now and then. I might even do it in my sleep. I often wake up in postures I would never think to assume.
That being said, I will try again with the tensegrity. Perhaps, I need to make a more conscious effort with it. If it'll strengthen my intent, it doesn't matter what I need to do. Thanks for that.
You're on some weird "story book" quest here, not actually present in what you are doing.
Pimping for someone else perhaps, as don Juan described it.
I suggest you go elsewhere to learn.
It's not going to go well for you with sorcery. We've had 6500+ flow through here in the last 2 years, and only a couple dozen kept going until they actually learned enough to make it into the advanced subreddit.
So we've learned to spot a "lost cause person" who visits.
You were instantly on that list with your first few sentences in this post.
You have to actually want to learn it, or it's not possible no matter what you do.
You can't be looking to write a "My Journey" book so you can someday have students. Even if the book is merely storytelling.
That's death to real magic.
I'm not here to argue with you on that. You are right, I do not have any intention in being initiated into the sub reddit here. I've come mostly out of a strong curiosity and alignment with teachings from Don Juan. I haven't come here to seek any approvals or pats on the back. If I wanted to do that there are tons of other sub reddit with hundreds if not a million of subscribers so that doesn't make sense.
My intention led me here plain and simple. No questions asked. It seems whatever I posted amounted to exactly what was necessary. Whether you think so, or I think so. What matters is what was intended.
I suppose you think I want to write a book about all my experiences? Sounds nice, but I enjoy my aloneness. My aloneness is what keeps me here. I will continue with this aloneness unless of course, intent says otherwise. As I said before, a lot has been revealed, and I take it all with thanks.
And I thought I was lost 🤣