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I used to read the books when I was young. And I voiced intent once in a rare lucid moment while dreaming of a bench with a woman that was certainly out of place. Remembering the words I had read I was pulled away only to be awakened and as the years passed, to forget the teachings while life moved on around me. Aside from the occasional burst of lucidity, dream of floating above the floor, moon bouncing, or breathing water my dreams have been fairly unremarkable. In life, my energy has been conserved doing the absolute minimum I am able yet somehow life has been exceptionally bountiful to me for reasons I may never understand but perhaps the answer to that is more obvious than I think. Anyway. 20 years later and I have been waking in my dreams to find I am still in another dream. 1,2,3 times per dream 1… 2 times a week for a few weeks. Several scenarios presented with memories of the current dream timeline and questions like “how can this be a dream if I remember the past so clearly? but this is clearly not “my” world” What an odd feeling of knowing but not understanding. I will inevitably panic for some reason and attempt to yell out for my partner. The screams come out as muffled grunts, much like my sleep paralysis episodes but much less uncomfortable and she wakes me and I’m happy to be next to her again.
Last night was twenty or thirty times awakening in a row. At a point I “found my hands” though not my “hands” and I decided to fly. Soaring among ancient landscapes and conjuring worlds by shifting my attention until I was met with an unmistakable feeling of dread in the direction I was heading around a series of Roman columns. I turned around and woke up… again into another dream and then another. Mostly recognizing that I was dreaming but unable to conjure the lucidity of navigation. At one point in frustration I lay down on the hard floor deciding there was nothing left to do but go to sleep in sleep and I felt consciousness slip to blackness only to awake again into another timeline that felt familiar enough to think I was finally “home”. only after starting my day and running down the stairs at my mothers house did I realize that I was still asleep. At this point I could hear the television that I had left on when I drifted off so I had a point of reference that I knew I wanted to return to. I screamed for my partner and she woke me only it was yet another layer of dreams. I kept trying to yell out through several more “awakenings” and eventually she heard me and shook me awake. I woke up “here” where I am now. Where I remember I have always been.
This seems to be a persistent phenomenon now and I wonder if this “dream in a dream” thing is something this community has any experience with? I don’t remember Carlos ever talking about anything like this but it sparked a memory about my first experience with an inorganic being so I searched and found this subreddit.
I would very much like to explore more and remove the fear and doubt which inevitably leads me to “run back home”. Rather I think I would be better served exploring and learning more about what’s happening.
If anyone has any insight to share I would be grateful.
Thanks. Sorry if this is a bad place for this type of post.
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Hey, i think it’s possible for anyone to inadvertently foray into some dream bubble; but, be that as it may..it’s still not a sustained or repeatable event; it’s only real when you purposefully go there, fall asleep inside your dream, at will!
Check out ‘The Art of Dreaming’ because there is ample material there to help anyone who wishes to pursue dreaming.
I learned to get out of sleep paralysis by paying attention to my breathing and feeling the tummy go up and down, then the paralysis dissipates.
Of course, it's the 3rd gate. You should read all of the books if you can stomach it.
HOWEVER, the 3rd gate is seriously misunderstood in our community.
It's just such a shock to try to correct the misunderstanding, I might leave it alone until we get more people capable of silent knowledge. Where you can use "the twin positions" to go directly into a dream from waking, in a few seconds.
Read "Art of Dreaming" to find the dream within a dream, and also I might add, I posted comments about spending 2 weeks in a dream using that technique, perhaps 26 years ago. On a public forum. And then a few years later out came that movie "Inception". On the very topic.
So it's old news.
But keep in mind what Carlos said about the third gate.
He said it was impossible to reach, until you could get silent.
That doesn't mean you can't go to sleep in a dream 2 levels deep, and "get stuck" like this.
If you can find your hands, you can lay down and go to sleep.
So it made no sense for Carlos to say that, unless you need silence to go directly into the dream in the first place!
Something you ought to have attained after learning from the dreaming emissary in his own world, daily for months, at the second gate.
That's the whole point of the 3rd gate. To teach you how to go into a dream directly from waking, and get a "full perception" of it via the "twin positions.
You go to sleep inside the dream, because you never did to enter it.
Then the third gate makes it so difficult to wake up that the double panics, and you finally make it into the "real copy" of the world. Because you get to practice over and over.
But it's a waste of time. You can bring your double into the real world in just a month, using darkroom. And then have him visit nightly, for hours if you like.
And there's no need to wander around asleep in full on dreaming worlds, when you can do that awake.
Awake and you never lose lucidity.
Thanks Dan. Last night I got nice and silent and I began to see “flashlights” from from the bottom left and right. Then I saw puffs. I grabbed some and stuffed them in my sacks as I had been advised here. I began to see white halos that began from my peripheral and slowly constricted toward the center of my vision, “delivering” puffs to me it seems. That was new and interesting and completely unexpected. No dreams last night. Maybe dark room practice is in order.
Did some subreddit browsing today. Found a PDF copy of Readers of infinity and the descriptions of the first attention and the first ring of power resonated precisely with what the divine virgin first showed me. A “wheel” or “carousel” that smushes us all into the jello mold of our path~~s~~. It always seems unavoidable when I see it. It’s good to know that I can get out from under the steamroller if I need to.
It has always terrified me when I see it coming to “lay down the law”. Maybe more confused… Next time will be different for sure. Anyway, It helps to know that what I’ve seen is real and not a delusion. At least if it is delusion it is shared and came way before I saw it.
I suppose I’ve waited long enough. Lots of work to catch up on. Maybe one day I’ll knock. Hopefully someone will be home to answer.
Thanks for you help, Dan.
Sounds like a threat to me.
I hope you mean metaphorically.
Divine Virgin??
Hopefully you're a woman. I can't keep track.
For men? Virgins very bad...
For women? Whatever inspires you to put in some work.
Meh. A threat? I’d only knock on a door as a welcome guest and My mother taught me never to invite myself. I’m not a barbarian. Isn’t it polite to announce yourself when you arrive?
The divine virgin; a plant ally. I only met her a few times. The first time she brought me to the lady of the lake. She wanted me to fight in her war. I was young. Too scared so she sent me back home in a “picture frame” with thousands (millions?) of others. Art smuggling through the dimensional realms. Are there even cops out there? LOL. All of our Eyeballs smashed together and loaded up by some very quick little fellas to be mechanically removed and dropped off in a neat little package back home. My first IOB! Second time she showed me the first ring of power. I’ve seen it a few times since without her so I know it’s real!
Sorry to spook ya. Didn’t know it would be so easy ;) I’m honestly just super glad to “know”. Any insight into the white constricting circle? It seemed to want to help.
If not, perhaps it’s my own thing? I’ve come this far alone. What’s another 30 or 40 years?
Still sounds like a threat to me.
Maybe you should read some history of all the attacks against Carlos, by crazy people.
And we just got rid of a guy who had been attacking in here for months, but so slowly and subtly, no one wanted to say anything. Plus he came back under a fake ID to try again, after freaking out and assaulting women here.
Carlos even had to get a former military bodyguard with a gun. And he never got out of the car at Dance Home, until one of the chacmools or his bodyguard got out first and opened the door for him (after looking around).
Had to chase many bad people out of workshops, when they were up to no good. Kylie and Bruce practically had to take up jogging, to be in good enough shape to deal with bad guys at workshops.
It was not only common for Carlos, but I come under such attacks myself often enough to realize it will only get worse.
Most people don't actually want magic. Because they're too crazy to even realize that's possible, and don't know the difference between pretending (as you seem to be doing), and the real thing.
If they are still stuck in pretending and can't see the real thing, there's no chance they'll do the huge amount of work to learn in here.
They're often looking for family, to copy the books, to get attention and be "helper" (groupie) to someone like Carlos.
Or to simply declare themselves a magic man, and start stealing from others with fake books or classes.
There's all sorts of crazy motivations, but very few ever wanting just to learn magic.
You even attacked a second time, during your apology!
Despite your dear old mama's wise training.
In fact, if I didn't suspect you to be a plant (we get those too), I'd say you're a "piss" type.
Carlos might have labeled you as such. Obviously not a fart type.
And I can't remember what pukes are like. There's Pisses, Pukes, and Farts.
So please read in here, notice it's real magic, understand the difference from pretend (what you were doing before), and if it seems like something you might want, namely the real thing, then work hard.
Do darkroom, learn to get silent, and when you can reach the red zone on the J curve map you'll be a little less horrible.
That is, if you don't decide this place won't give you the attention you seek, and you go away on your own.
That's 99% of all who visit here.
And 99.9% of those who are eager to post before they have anything valuable to contribute here.
Again, women I don't understand. So if you are a woman, I apologize.
Some like Cholita, are just "spooky". Nothing will ever change that.
Fear is the mind killer. You actually Asked me to come here whether you realize it or not. And now that I’ve come you’ve treated me like an enemy. I’ll see myself out. Again a sincere thank you for your help
You wouldn't have been able to learn here as you were going. We've had an endless stream now, and know what works out.
Come back when you're serious and realize there's nowhere else to go.
But next time keep in mind the thousands we have to deal with. It's an endless stream of people with a weird chip on their shoulder who don't care if we succeed or not.
Don't even realize the teachings were in mortal jeopardy before this subredit.
And still aren't out of hot water.
They pretty much drained Carlos with their "attitudes". And then he couldn't fight off his cancer.
I looked it up however.
For a Peruvian man born around 1926, he beat his life expectancy by more than 30 years!
That population didn't live very long.
There really not anywhere else to go it's really all pretend. Want to be a lucid dreamer/astral projection junkie? Where does that lead? Known as the guy who is wise rehashes old "wise" quotes? Write a book about you're experiences build a self indulgent community with you at the center? Be the "crazy guy" weird mysterios fellow? Post on reddit for the rest of your life gloating about how wise and experienced you are? Fooling people and yourself into believing you're some shaman? Become religious and have all you're concerns and questions swept under the rug? Live a hedonistic life of pleasure and gluttony or indulge in the new age "hustle" to get money? Those things are worthless and hollow.
Because none of what you are describing, allows you to remove your "self".
Once you remove your "self", none of what you said applies.
That's an artificial concern created by our family, and not an actual part of being human.
It's a "foreign installation".
And an angry one at that.
Other systems pretend to remove the self, but you just have to look at the results, to see that was a lie. A marketing ploy for unhappy people.
It's not "blissful" when we remove the self.
It's still just you. But without the ball and chain of rationality around your legs.