The Problem With This Place And Why Being "Fair" Is Suicidal

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In the 80s, not so long after don Juan left, Carlos started to try to figure out how to preserve the knowledge of the lineage.

Which was clearly the task don Juan had given him.

He made a "how to" book.

The early books, WERE NOT.

As Carlos admitted by calling that one a "how to" book.

In fact, I believe the early books were actually were slightly sabotaged to keep people safe. No one who read only those early books has even a tiny chance of learning anything at all, other than to be a big pest to others.

And maybe if the later books started to be what you really needed to know, by that time it was obvious no readers would ever put in a serious effort.

So it was ok to just blab it all out in the open.

People have been brainwashed by fake magic systems to believe 20 minutes a day is enough to learn what they have.

Naturally it's because they have nothing real, aside from effects shamanic drumming can easily reproduce, and actually only want your money. Buddhism doesn't exist to save you. It's there to steal from you.

As is everything else.

But in general the tolerance for "putting in some effort" in a system, extends to about 20 minutes a day. Because everyone who wants to steal from you, will tell you that's enough.

Which is absolutely not nearly enough to learn sorcery.

You have to put in the same amount of effort you would make to learn to play a musical instrument well.

Or to learn to be good at a sport.

Or in any other "beloved hobby".

Unfortunately, that "common sense" doesn't extend to learning magic. People just won't put in the time, no matter how much they claim to want to learn.

So the books as a whole, the ones beyond the early books, and which have everything you need to know, were likely deemed by don Juan and Carlos to be no danger to anyone. Probably after they saw how poorly people reacted to the first ones.

Because there was no one around to tell readers, they aren't working hard enough. And to get them to stop doing the pretend stuff that has nothing to do with actually learning, and focus on the instructions as given. On the "hard stuff".

#1 being, you must learn to be silent for real.

But later Carlos thought perhaps it could be taught through a book, and created a publication which was lost in a theater amidst the seats.

So he concluded it wasn't time.

He wasn't alone in trying to save the knowledge.

Over the years the apprentices left by don Juan had moved to the LA area. Nestor, La Gorda, Soledad, Begino, and other "little sisters".

In my opinion, all moved here. Some maybe even known around, without anyone realizing who that was.

And all were undoubtedly engaged in their own activities of teaching.

Sorcerers benefit as much from teaching, as the students they teach.

But you won't understand that until you get there yourself.

I suppose at an ordinary level, it's like the saying in the Japanese Karate world. Which is likely universal to all martial arts schools.

"You never learn your own techniques as well as when you are called upon to explain them to others."

The same applies to sorcery, except that we also have a magical force called "intent" helping us.

And if you wanted to translate that old Karate school saying to sorcery, it would be, "You never receive so much help from the spirit, as when you endeavor to pass on your sorcery knowledge to others."

It translates to what don Juan said happens, in the cycle of sorcerers.

Just before old age takes them out.

When teaching you enter a period of unequalled impeccability and power.

One old apprentice of don Juan in particular, the witch Soledad, took the proceeds of what was likely a vast fortune of valuable objects the lineage had accumulated, just by virtue of being 800 years old.

And used it to influence Hollywood.

Cholita was possibly indirectly involved in importing them here, and preparing them for sale.

Naturally without that being explained to her.

From her point of view, Carlos was simply importing art from Mexico, and had lots of friends in the art business.

Where Carlos found employment for Cholita.

We almost surely got Star Wars from that. The writers even admit that Yoda is don Juan, and "the force" is what's written about in the books. We call it "intent".

Though I wish the writers would talk about Soledad, if she was helping in that effort.

It should be possible to identify her. There can't be that many women fitting her description among hollywood producers around that time.

But the apprentices weren't going to engage in anything obviously public.

That fell on Carlos.

Who after his how to book seemed to receive a "bad omen", tried to teach in a public park.

Near Santa Monica I believe. Someone showed me the very park. Or so they claimed.

And those in private classes often found themselves there in shared dreaming.

A feature of learning sorcery from a real sorcerer, in groups.

Phantom realms open up, in which you are taught "in secret".

The same as Carlos and the apprentices were taught, using the Nagual's blow.

But Carlos had to discontinue the free classes in a public park.

Angry crazy men who had read his books and were either stealing from others pretending to teach that, or had ambitions to do so, showed up to heckle him.

At one point there were even dangerous followers of a man who calls himself "Harley Swift Deer" threatening his life.

Carlos had to stop holding public teaching, and make it both harder to get into classes, and put up some automatic barrier, to reduce the workload of figuring out who could attend.

Entry fees.

It worked "all right". A few times Kylie and others had to chase down bad men who came to the workshops to steal.

Ken Eagle Feather was among them.

And they used the workshop to notice who seemed to be serious, so they could take them into the free classes, lead by Carlos himself.

Which were called "Sunday Classes", but I remember getting calls any time or day of the week, asking if I could make it to a class just 2 hours later.

Carlos did nothing but teach, every single day. For free.

He had different "factions". Possibly as part of an intelligent plan to have "pockets" of apprentices, in case any one group polluted itself, and failed to learn.

We've counted as many as 6 as I recall. Separated by which classes they were invited to.

ALL failed but one.

Unless you count Soledad's faction, which we've dubbed "H", for Hollywood.

The factions all failed so badly, that they'd even argue about it with us.

They didn't even learn enough to know, this stuff is real. And produces stunning real magic, beyond your wildest dreams.

All that still remain are pretending that imagining magic, and altering your behavior to be more annoying to outsiders, constitutes "having learned".

They believe that being a pain in the ass, is the same thing as "magic in your face".

It all looked like it it was doomed to permanent failure, until I got blackmailed to come here.

Shortly after which, Cholita showed up at my doorstep. Supposedly homeless.

Using trickery, rituals, and his allies, Carlos manipulated me to end up here.

The only place left with any chance to pass on his knowledge.

But he did succeed in protecting Tensegrity, even if it's a magic free variety.

We in this subreddit are all there is, standing between the total loss of this 800+ year old sorcery lineage, and the crap magic the world has come to expect.

Where nothing happens to anyone and they only believe it does, because they've been brainwashed to believe that someone, somewhere else, is making it work.

When in fact, there are none.

There's google now! How long can people get away with pretending their system has magic?

It seems, a long time unless something is done to change the perception of "how real" magic ought to be.

The problem with this place is, the mods want to be "fair minded".

And new people come here and demand it. They'll attack, if they perceive the situation here isn't as crappy as elsewhere, where "all points of view are respected".

It's a very poor understanding of human behavior in general, and the totally defunct state of magical systems everywhere.

All magic destroyed by greed and pretending.

They don't realize that, because they never saw any.

Or worse, because they're greedy and perfectly willing to pretend to have magic themselves.

As long as they can get attention for it from other humans.

In all of this, the blue scout was a bit ahead of the rest.

She saw it as pointless to try to teach private classes. She accepted the workshops, but as some lecture notes will tell you she didn't like the attention at all.

I suppose Patty was like Manfred the dog, or the fruit trees at don Juan's compound, or the death defier.

A body snatcher.

But Carlos still used her to introduce much of what we have in here.

Used her energy to create this place. In part.

If you read around, you'll come across it.

And I'll animate it later.

But the tediousness of bad men attacking this subreddit, can't be sustained.

It's a large part of what killed Carlos.

And why the lineages were so secretive, relying on stalking to hide their activities.

They weren't willing to risk even a tiny bit of energy, for a pointless cause.

So they hid in plain sight.

We're out in the open, because of obscurity, and because we want to give everyone a "fair chance" to learn the real thing.

But the instant we can leave this public park, we need to do that.

It's a huge waste of energy.

If anyone needs permission or justification, I fully agree with simply flagging bad posts as subject to deletion, and doing so as fast and as often as possible.

Even if some put reasonable comments to try to fight those posts.

It's hopeless.

There's bad lurkers all over the place in here, looking for a chance to do harm and get away with it.

Not at all interested in learning. Just waiting for "their chance".

There's nothing to gain by being "the fastest gun in the west", and taking on all hot shot newcomers.

Especially when you find, the people watching the fight are NOT on your side. They're hoping you finally get shot.

We've battled enough bad guys over the last 3 years.

If anyone calls that "not enough to be sufficiently fair minded", let them go start a teaching subreddit.

I suppose it's actually vanity to even think that could have worked out in the long run.

Carlos gave up on that very early on.

I'm not sure what good this post can do. If someone gets blocked for an asinine post, it's not like they're going to have read this so they understand why they got deleted.

They'll just go badmouth this place either way, since it stands in the way of whatever awful plans they have to cheat others.