The jaguar thing. After some exploring i have conviced myself of what i originaly though it was.
The jaguar "nahuale" is translated to nagual. It sais the Jaguar is the guardian and represent the nagual. So the shaman on the picture with the Jaguar face is referring to being "a shaman who invocated or adopted the form of the "nahuale" as the jaguar. But we know enough to understand that the nagual is referring also the thing we call double.
The nagual is seen as a Jaguar because of its capabilities! The double can perform feets that of a Jaguar and more.
It refers to a man that has the energy and force of Jaguar. IT is referring to the double.
(I am specificly talking about picture nr 18 and the text on the picture)
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u/danl999
6 points2022-12-20 23:06
> It refers to a man that has the energy and force of Jaguar.
Except, you actually change into one. That might be part of it also.
I don't think the old seers were as big on symbolism as we are now.
Symbolism needs an audience.
They were secretive.
The figurines were made for who knows who?
Wealthy admirers?
Maybe they had their own "sponsors". Wealthy women in huge huts?
Cholita went to sleep at one of those, where the Beverly Hills vicinity woman who owned it had imported her own "Rinpoche" for sexual reasons.
While the Rinpoche was more interested in the gold coins and jewels the wealthy woman convinced people to bring him.
One of our own from private classes "defrocked" him and he got tossed out.
Had to go "rinpoch" elsewhere.
I doubt an old seer could afford a Jade figurine on their own.
They had to import that jade from to the middle of eastern Mexico, all the way from somewhere near the south.
But the good news is, some day one of us will become good at "old seer reruns".
Those are better than Gilligan's Island by far!
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u/danl999
13 points2022-12-20 22:49
I posted a link on facebook.
By the way, yes. You CAN hold up your double...
I posted about that!
So the old seers weren't being symbolic. Just gloating perhaps.
You can even "experiment" with him. Like a lab animal.
I must admit, I didn't notice those obvious Tensegrity hand positions.
I suppose I got distracted by the werejaguar aspects.
Shapeshifting seems likely to me, to be just changing over to your double.
But unlike sleeping dreaming, it comes with a heavy dose of Tonal reasoning.
Because you aren't asleep!
If that makes any sense (it doesn't).
But you don't have enough Tonal rationality to be "smart".
Just enough to remember it all the next day.
So that begs the question, that "blue ball of energy" that the new seers prefer, relates to shapeshifting how?
That's their preferred alternative form, to our physical body.
Because it's "impersonal".
There's so much we don't know.
But worse, we don't even notice we don't know it! Everyone is so busy trying to steal and trick others, that they don't have time to try to understand the books in any detail.
For beginners, you start doing truly "impossible" things down in the red zone.
That's where you leave the meditation folks behind in the dust.
Not that you didn't up in the green zone, since we do that with our eyes open!
But down in the red zone, there's super weird stuff like shapeshifting.
Just don't expect to notice it unless you go outside, and find you can lift a car in one hand.
Which won't impress you as much as it ought to.
Last time I shape shifted I was more concerned with whether Cholita knew in advance, and put some obstacles in my path just to make fun of me.
So that's one "strange thing" that brings into question what exactly is that "blue ball of energy" thing?
The thing you're building by stuffing puffs!
If anyone wants to know how to shapeshift, there's a post for that.
Won't be what you expected! We don't have someone to "introduce" us.
To make a perfect crow for example, you need someone who's also made a perfect crow.
Our lineage seems to know crow, fly, wolf(ish), and possibly bats.
Because Nyei goes batty on Youtube...
So with no teachers, we have to use our Ally for an "introduction".
And they don't care how messed up you are.
That would be like an Alien from another galaxy, caring that you didn't form a perfect Squirrel.
It's all alien life to them! What's the difference?
After shapeshifting, the next "odd" thing occurs when your ally opens a doorway for you.
Or a window.
And stands there indicating you are welcome to enter.
Right through your solid bedroom wall!
Again, you're "daffy" at that point. Because of horizontal shifting.
I suspect it means you shifted VERY far horizontally, with the assemblage point near the bottom of the back.
"The Shift Below".
So while you ought to see a window form on your wall, which has no window, and think, "Holy Shit!!! This is totally amazing! I've got to tell my Mom."
Instead you're wondering , "How's the weather out there?"
What??????
But that's what happens. I think that when the assemblage point shifts horizontally enough to break the laws of physics, likely it's like being lucid in a dream.
Where you realize, you know the entire history of that dream, going back years.
Even though the dream can't be older than a half hour. At the most.
And yet if you ask yourself, "In this dream, what do I do for a living?"
You'll know!!! You drive an ice cream truck.
I didn't say it was a good dream...
It's like that when your Ally makes his first "offer" for you to break all reasonable expectations about reality.
Here's a window, go ahead.
Jump into another world.
Let me say, for the sake of the Astral Travel deluded, we DON'T do things with our eyes closed.
Falling asleep, and then lying about an ordinary dream.
If you like Astral Travel, you're screwed. No one seems to recover from that ego delusion.
If you only dabbled, then just keep it to yourself. No one will be the wiser.
I suppose it's like going to a hotel with a beautiful woman you met in a bar, and the next day you realize it was a man.
Just don't tell. And hopefully no one will ask.
So fully awake, drinking a double shot espresso in a can, you see the window is open and in fact the weather out there looks fine! You can even feel a gentle breeze blowing into the room.
I'm not sure why you don't notice the weird South American Indian with the big nose, standing next to the window.
Like I said, you're officially "daffy".
But fully awake. You could stop and do anything you can ordinarily do fully awake.
Even turn on the TV to watch "Gilligan's Island".
Another thing to keep to yourself I suppose...
But instead you ignore the Indian guy with the big nose (your ally), and leap right out the window into an alien landscape.
Where you remain for HOURS.
Fully lucid! No danger at all of losing lucidity because in fact, you're still awake.
How?
I have no idea...
It's just what happens at the red zone.
And STILL you aren't in your "blue ball of energy" body, the preferred form of the snobby new seers.
They wouldn't be caught dead in a Gargantua form!
That looks like this, and is VERY easy to assume.
I could keep going from here, but the mysteries only mount up. They don't get resolved.
When you just "change over to your blue ball of energy", is out in the purple zone.
Very far away from where you are now.
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u/rob_242
1 points2022-12-21 01:27
8 is how I did that public reading in class. It shows a way how to bend the energy body. Nice find.
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u/growlikeaflower
1 points2022-12-21 08:21
When you post on fb, are you part of a CC group there, or do you just post to your page?
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The jaguar thing. After some exploring i have conviced myself of what i originaly though it was.
The jaguar "nahuale" is translated to nagual. It sais the Jaguar is the guardian and represent the nagual. So the shaman on the picture with the Jaguar face is referring to being "a shaman who invocated or adopted the form of the "nahuale" as the jaguar. But we know enough to understand that the nagual is referring also the thing we call double.
The nagual is seen as a Jaguar because of its capabilities! The double can perform feets that of a Jaguar and more.
It refers to a man that has the energy and force of Jaguar. IT is referring to the double.
(I am specificly talking about picture nr 18 and the text on the picture)
> It refers to a man that has the energy and force of Jaguar.
Except, you actually change into one. That might be part of it also.
I don't think the old seers were as big on symbolism as we are now.
Symbolism needs an audience.
They were secretive.
The figurines were made for who knows who?
Wealthy admirers?
Maybe they had their own "sponsors". Wealthy women in huge huts?
Cholita went to sleep at one of those, where the Beverly Hills vicinity woman who owned it had imported her own "Rinpoche" for sexual reasons.
While the Rinpoche was more interested in the gold coins and jewels the wealthy woman convinced people to bring him.
One of our own from private classes "defrocked" him and he got tossed out.
Had to go "rinpoch" elsewhere.
I doubt an old seer could afford a Jade figurine on their own.
They had to import that jade from to the middle of eastern Mexico, all the way from somewhere near the south.
But the good news is, some day one of us will become good at "old seer reruns".
Those are better than Gilligan's Island by far!
I posted a link on facebook.
By the way, yes. You CAN hold up your double...
I posted about that!
So the old seers weren't being symbolic. Just gloating perhaps.
You can even "experiment" with him. Like a lab animal.
I must admit, I didn't notice those obvious Tensegrity hand positions.
I suppose I got distracted by the werejaguar aspects.
Shapeshifting seems likely to me, to be just changing over to your double.
But unlike sleeping dreaming, it comes with a heavy dose of Tonal reasoning.
Because you aren't asleep!
If that makes any sense (it doesn't).
But you don't have enough Tonal rationality to be "smart".
Just enough to remember it all the next day.
So that begs the question, that "blue ball of energy" that the new seers prefer, relates to shapeshifting how?
That's their preferred alternative form, to our physical body.
Because it's "impersonal".
There's so much we don't know.
But worse, we don't even notice we don't know it! Everyone is so busy trying to steal and trick others, that they don't have time to try to understand the books in any detail.
For beginners, you start doing truly "impossible" things down in the red zone.
That's where you leave the meditation folks behind in the dust.
Not that you didn't up in the green zone, since we do that with our eyes open!
But down in the red zone, there's super weird stuff like shapeshifting.
Just don't expect to notice it unless you go outside, and find you can lift a car in one hand.
Which won't impress you as much as it ought to.
Last time I shape shifted I was more concerned with whether Cholita knew in advance, and put some obstacles in my path just to make fun of me.
So that's one "strange thing" that brings into question what exactly is that "blue ball of energy" thing?
The thing you're building by stuffing puffs!
If anyone wants to know how to shapeshift, there's a post for that.
Won't be what you expected! We don't have someone to "introduce" us.
To make a perfect crow for example, you need someone who's also made a perfect crow.
Our lineage seems to know crow, fly, wolf(ish), and possibly bats.
Because Nyei goes batty on Youtube...
So with no teachers, we have to use our Ally for an "introduction".
And they don't care how messed up you are.
That would be like an Alien from another galaxy, caring that you didn't form a perfect Squirrel.
It's all alien life to them! What's the difference?
After shapeshifting, the next "odd" thing occurs when your ally opens a doorway for you.
Or a window.
And stands there indicating you are welcome to enter.
Right through your solid bedroom wall!
Again, you're "daffy" at that point. Because of horizontal shifting.
I suspect it means you shifted VERY far horizontally, with the assemblage point near the bottom of the back.
"The Shift Below".
So while you ought to see a window form on your wall, which has no window, and think, "Holy Shit!!! This is totally amazing! I've got to tell my Mom."
Instead you're wondering , "How's the weather out there?"
What??????
But that's what happens. I think that when the assemblage point shifts horizontally enough to break the laws of physics, likely it's like being lucid in a dream.
Where you realize, you know the entire history of that dream, going back years.
Even though the dream can't be older than a half hour. At the most.
And yet if you ask yourself, "In this dream, what do I do for a living?"
You'll know!!! You drive an ice cream truck.
I didn't say it was a good dream...
It's like that when your Ally makes his first "offer" for you to break all reasonable expectations about reality.
Here's a window, go ahead.
Jump into another world.
Let me say, for the sake of the Astral Travel deluded, we DON'T do things with our eyes closed.
Falling asleep, and then lying about an ordinary dream.
If you like Astral Travel, you're screwed. No one seems to recover from that ego delusion.
If you only dabbled, then just keep it to yourself. No one will be the wiser.
I suppose it's like going to a hotel with a beautiful woman you met in a bar, and the next day you realize it was a man.
Just don't tell. And hopefully no one will ask.
So fully awake, drinking a double shot espresso in a can, you see the window is open and in fact the weather out there looks fine! You can even feel a gentle breeze blowing into the room.
I'm not sure why you don't notice the weird South American Indian with the big nose, standing next to the window.
Like I said, you're officially "daffy".
But fully awake. You could stop and do anything you can ordinarily do fully awake.
Even turn on the TV to watch "Gilligan's Island".
Another thing to keep to yourself I suppose...
But instead you ignore the Indian guy with the big nose (your ally), and leap right out the window into an alien landscape.
Where you remain for HOURS.
Fully lucid! No danger at all of losing lucidity because in fact, you're still awake.
How?
I have no idea...
It's just what happens at the red zone.
And STILL you aren't in your "blue ball of energy" body, the preferred form of the snobby new seers.
They wouldn't be caught dead in a Gargantua form!
That looks like this, and is VERY easy to assume.
I could keep going from here, but the mysteries only mount up. They don't get resolved.
When you just "change over to your blue ball of energy", is out in the purple zone.
Very far away from where you are now.
8 is how I did that public reading in class. It shows a way how to bend the energy body. Nice find.
When you post on fb, are you part of a CC group there, or do you just post to your page?