I took the animated GIF version of "Running man" from the wiki, and then also downloaded a live human doing it.
I gave them both to my animator, and told him to do the gif, but use the human for reference when needed.
I suspect he ignored the gif, and copied the human?
But I didn't watch the whole human!
And it looks to me, like it's been spoiled by Reni or Aerin or Miles. Or this man.
Does anyone recognize all of this?
I'll have to edit it, and fix what's wrong.
Unless I'm mistake.
But it sure looks wrong to me at some points.
Nice animation though! I'll pay the animator and tip him.
And be more careful next time!
I sure hope I'm wrong about it.
Maybe I misinterpreted the gif.
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For reference, with animated GIFS and video at the end:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/er16gb/running_man_tensegrity_pass/
I'll add a few more YouTube links later...
I sure don't see the "stroke your legs" movement in the gifs.
Looks like "The Independent Rotation of Each Foot" ?
I thought all of them were being done. I'm not sure what you mean. One of them is messed up, or in the wrong order, or doesn't belong?
Of course, I can't fix it now. I'm just saving these, as long as they're mostly right.
For when I actually use them inside a dance home animation. Then I'll make them better if they have any flaws.
Partly that's because my animation skills grow, so it's wasteful to try to fix them now while they're not all that advanced.
Oops! I didn't realize the runtime was 8 minutes and 27 seconds. After watching the first pass, the video stopped and I thought that was the end of it!
The comment was only about that first pass.
Those delays have GOT to go.
I'm going to have one only. After you raise the heels up.
Then for the rest, I'll just have someone comment that you can rest between them for up to 2 minutes if you are feeling the second attention and want to learn to sustain it longer.
In some ways, this pass is UNIQUE.
It includes an attempt to "feel" the second attention.
Didn't work though... Not even when Carol taught that.
It's remarkable what a flop Tensegrity was, when in fact it contains as much magic as anyone could hope for.
But you have to be silent or none of it is visible.
And you start to think "weird chi gung" like Aerin has done.
Once you are thinking like that, you stop looking for anything real.
Might as well take multivitamins and do pilates.
At least that way, there's no monsters in the closet.
You're right. I don't see that "stroke you legs" movement in either the gifs + descriptions, or the expanded descriptions along with the openings and closing and the standing up against the wall version of this pass:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/tensegrity/not_doing/running_man_standing_wall_version/
The stroking the foot does "fit" and is done in other passes. But still, if it can't be proven Carlos taught that, it has to go.
Jadey will know.
I was able to confirm that they were presented at the Los Angeles workshop in August 1997, by Carol Tiggs(?):
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THESE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT!
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They are totally different passes because the running man series in the video was made later with passes taken from all of the original series. In the August intensive workshop there were 5 or 6 series, the legs rule vitality, on the run, etc
The 3 witches were there, but Carlos didn’t show up
Yes, the three added movements, the xA in the description, were taught at European workshops in esrly 2000s. They were movements ”specifically for the Northern hemisphere” if I recall correctly.
Are you supposed to take a nap at the end of each one? No one ever mentioned that to me before.
Jadey is the one who got to be in class when Carlos was first teaching it.
Men weren't allowed.
Someone just sent me this message:
“Jadey told me, over on Discord, that's called "The Lull" and when Running Man passes are individually done for a while, "The Lull" is an optional step you can do between each pass that was taught in original private classes while Carlos was still alive.”
I think I'll shorten it greatly then, and have one of the characters explain that you can extend it if you like.
Carlos was hoping the women would notice that their assemblage point had moved, by remaining still a bit.
Many meditation systems use that. Green zone bliss can become visible during that.
And, even in SK, remaining still can trigger visions, if they weren't already flowing.
Once they start to flow however, you can get up and do Tensegrity, and they still do.
It's something you "latch onto" or "notice". And can sustain once you find that feeling again.
It's a feeling of giving up control or censorship of your perceptions.
Here's Dance Home with a real piece of the brick wall on it. I had to learn how to fix the camera angles, but now it should be easier.
Supposedly there's some software which can take all the pictures of the wooden floor someone got for me, and put them together into a single high res image.
But the first 2 I tried, didn't live up to the hype.
Which two did you try?
I stitched them manually, using GIMP and it's rotation in 3D space abilities.
ChatGPT told me about lidar, but when I want to the page, it seemed indeed to be mostly Lidar output mapping software.
Perhaps I'll finish the outer brick wall, which I can manage but could use some real upsampling at the end, and then look into how to combine those floor images you got.
That would ce wonderful if I didn't have to piece them together myself.
As far as I know, this person does the movements according to the gifs that Techno posted:
I was told, iirc in the Discord that the next to last movement was a variation, it reminds me of one of mashing energy unbending intent moves
A legal variation? Did the person go into details.
The LAST thing we want in animations are contaminated Tensegrity moves.
Not that your practice is RUINED if you make a mistake.
But it encourages bad people to make up movements, which would eventually bury it all alive in pretending.
That's why it's such a tragedy that Aerin doesn't understand what she's doing, when she makes up new magical passes. She seems to have been the first to engage in this practice.
I even have doubts about "Affection for the Energy body", and believe it might possibly have been Aerin and another woman taking advantage of Carlos' illness, to make up one ahead of time. A kind of aggressive wish to take over after he dies.
I only remember clearly that two women said, "We're making a new pass!"
With help from Carlos I thought, but maybe not.
That sort of thing happens when Gurus die.
When Maharishi was obviously reaching death, his taxi cab driving brother showed up insisting he ought to take over for his brother.
The way Miguel Ruiz' son is trying to take over the franchise.
And I've heard stories about the ugly battles to take over Yogananda's little palace in Los Angeles.
Cholita saw the pictures of the "winners' in their fake christian church at the top of the hill, and any belief she had that Yogananda was worth anything at all, went out the window.
She said she instantly realized what the whole thing was.
A big scam.
Pitiful green zone effects that you ought to be ashamed to claim are significant.
I'm no longer in the discord to verify the details, but in Techno's link to the older running man animations, 11 - Splashing the Other Foot with the Soles of the Feet (https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/er16gb/running_man_tensegrity_pass/) was replaced as seen in that video above with the move with Unbending Intent's 6. Gathering Energy with the Soles of the Feet and Moving It up the Inner Legs from the Mashing Energy group in the Magical Passes book, or at least that's what it looks like to me
I was going through workshop notes a while back. Carol Tiggs said they should be done slowly - around 4 seconds per rotation!
Miles, during his instructions, mentioned they charge the pouches on the back.
That's all I can remember for now, but there was more.
The foot rotations?
Those passes were never taught at a workshop while Carlos was alive, as far as I know. In fact, they aren't magical passes at all, but "not-doings".
So you must mean after he was gone Carol was at a workshop and commented on them?
Anything like that I can verify is at least as credible as we can know, I'll add to a comment in the cartoon.
If it's 100%, I'll have the cartoon character with the most authority say it.
If it's "ifish" and we are only 20% sure but it seems to make sense, I'll just have one of the characters whisper it to the other, on the side. To leave some doubt, but put it out there for people to try.
Which is totally in keeping with how things happened in the books of Carlos.
The little sisters always seemed to have some contrary info going on.
So you must mean after he was gone Carol was at a workshop and commented on them - that is correct.
Carol and Florinda were both present. They emphasized doing them slowly and with precision.
This was back in January/February when I read many lecture/workshop notes. I'll jog my memory and see if I can find the above-mentioned.
I created a website that includes a search function and all of the workshop notes. It's still in "beta" version, but all the in-page links work, just have to use the sitemap to navigate it as the internal linking still points to the Reddit-hosted pages:
https://controlc.com/1d856641 (links to it sometimes get blocked by Reddit's filters 😖)
I didn't notice your comment until now, lol. That would have saved me from ctrl+F searching the 97/98 workshop notes, looking for "seconds".
Just did this on your site and there's nothing. I was certain it was at least 4 seconds per rotation.
This is great! Those lecture/workshop notes are littered with additional info and crazy anecdotes about Don Juan and the other members of his group. I very much enjoyed reading them.
If Carol or Florinda said it, then it's fine.
It's just when it's one of the Cleargreens altering things, that it's problematic.
They're so short sighted, they don't even realize that by doing so, hundreds of more people will do likewise, and it'll all be buried in pretending soon.
We're very hard on pretenders in this subreddit, and to someone new who doesn't understand how we've had to endure an endless flow of them for the last 5 years, they think we should just let pretending go.
Not realizing, this place would fill up with almost nothing but pretend posts, if we didn't toss them out right away.
Carlos had the same problem.
I'm surprised to hear Florinda was still around. Why doesn't that come up when people claim she killed herself?
What year was that?
The only one who died was Patty, and I'm not convinced it was suicide.
She might have just driven to the Mojave Desert, hoping Carlos would take her with him. Not realizing, you can easily die in 2 hours in Death Valley, even if you have the shelter of a car.
But the claim was that Florinda, Taisha, and Kylie also killed themselves.
Any of them still being around years later means, that claim is debunked.
I spent some time searching; they started teaching the not-doing series in August 97 in LA. Carlos was still around in 97.
All 3 witches were present at this event.
It's weird. I clearly remember reading "at least 4 seconds per rotation", but I just searched workshop notes from 97/98 using ctrl+F and couldn't find it.
But, there are references regarding precision and speed. Here are a few excerpts.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030711180630/http://www.nagual.com/ixtlan/notes/0897d.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20030719063721/http://nagual.com/ixtlan/notes/notes97.html
"Not-Doings have to be performed," she continued, saying that the passes we were about to learn had to be performed with precision and exactitude. She said this was a requisite for practicing the passes. The other passes you could learn and do as best you could, but these passes needed to be very precisely 'performed'.
"The Running man must be known perfectly," she said. "The energetic fact of the Running Man is that one is dipping into the fringe, or into the stream, of awareness. The old nagual said that the fringe of awareness is attached to the bottom of the luminous cocoon."
When, through the practice of not-doing, one experiences a 'lull', the whole works stop. There is an energetic halt. Carol explained that the sorcerers of ancient Mexico were experts at making practical use of this 'lull'. She said that it made them move faster. They were able to bring about the halt . . . and then run . . . halt . . . run . . . in a place that existed only between the 'fractions'.
The passes for Not-Doing actually stir the shallow stream of awareness, our only avenue to the Dark Sea. She explained, like a medical professor, that in performing the Running Man and On the Run series we were bringing energy and awareness up, splashing it onto our legs and intentionally bringing it even further up the body to our vital centers (the liver, gallbladder, spleen, pancreas, V-spot, and womb for women). She stressed that this progressive movement of energy and awareness upward had to be accompanied by a sense of increased discipline and behavioral change.
The not-doing passes are clearly aiming at a deeper level than the previously taught series. Even the mood and tempo were shifted. The not-doing passes are performed very slowly, both between reps and between passes in a series. The instructors often waited for more than 2 minutes between passes while the whole room was poised in silence. The reason for the slowed tempo is so that the practitioner can avail herself of the highly sought-after lull.
Early Monday Carol Tiggs spoke. She repeatedly said that the Not-Doing passes "are to be performed". She advised us to be alert to the "lull" that may come as one pauses between passes. This lull will be characterized affectively as and "exquisite sadness." The goal is to interrupt the "natural cognitive flow" even if for only a "millisecond". The advice was to perfrom the Not-Doing Passes slowly and "perfectly" especially those of the first and second series. She went on to talk about the odd behaviors of sorcerers chronicled in Castaneda's books. She said that these behaviors were what these indiviuals chose to do with what they gleaned from the "lull" of the Not-Doing passess. The point of Not-Doings is to create a break in the narural, usual flow of awareness. The behavior is a result of this break. Up until then I had assumed that the behaviors themselves caused the interruption but Carol Tiggs said this is not the case. (I think I heard right???) Carol said that the frst series of Not-Doings creates an energetic increase and the second set balances the first. Some new force enters and the continuity of our lives is broken. Effort and endless discipline yields from the spirit the needs of the practicitioner no matter how complex those needs may be. Not-Doing passes are to be performed until we lose the human form. Both Don Juan, his cohorts, Carlos and his cohorts have had to "dust off" the Not-Doing passes to present them. Carlos' and Taisha's books have nothing to do with what they are doing now. The universe is an endless challenge. The sorcerers of antiquity recognized this and "tightened their belts".
I copied it all. I'll have someone read that in the cartoon using them.
However, these passes were, as far as I know, taught just before Carlos died, as "his last chance". And only to a naked class of women.
With Carlos being relentless about perfection, and the "wrestler" pass being in between movements.
Carlos was hoping the nakedness and embarrassment, and demand on his part for perfection, would lure at least some of the women's doubles to come around to see what was going on, so he could gain access.
That happens! I've taken advantage of it at least 8 times.
But no progress was made towards seeing real magic and realizing it was all true, so Carlos pretty much failed.
And told me so when we were alone.
Cleargreen paints a pretty picture, but that's motivated by greed, not honesty.
And only to a naked class of women.
It seems he did exactly as Don Juan did. Carol's comment on learning the passes.
Don Juan literally demolished the three women with Not-Doing. Carol said that she was so traumatized by the way the passes for Not-Doing were taught to them that she was still in denial about it. She explained how Florinda never had a problem with her body in this regard or with nudity. "Flo was wild, Taisha was tight," Carol said, "and I was fat." She made feigned gestures of deep humiliation. She continued to explain that it took a lifetime to comprehend what the Not-Doings really are. She said that it is an untouchable subject. The real meaning of Not-Doing will appear when the debris of our lives is gone.
Good stuff for the cartoon! Especially since Carlos was trashed for his naked not-doing classes.
Americans are SO prudish! And the worst part is, we believe we aren't.
Carol and Florinda were both present.
According to someone who was there, and who also knew Florinda very will (and Taisha too), Florinda was not present.
Why do you believe she was?
That would be somewhat "monumental" because it would dispel the suicides rumor.
Coinbase, a cleargreen groupie, claimed Carol Tiggs was constantly around, but no one could find any actual proof of that.
I wonder if Reni isn't giving people that idea, to justify her authority?
Florinda being there would also somewhat contradict what Carlos wrote in the Silent Knowledge publication.
I did this pass a countless numer in my life, but never felt any effect.
You weren't silent.
This pass can cause your feet to be emerged in a pink flowing stream of very visible water, splashing around from the leg movements.
It's somewhat inevitable that would be one of the effects, since moving your feet around randomly like that, would invoke memories of dangling them in the pool while sitting on the side. That would light up just enough emanations to summon a phantom stream or pond.
Any such "hint" when you are absolutely silent, will assemblage that associated mini-bundle of emanations.
It's like requesting "Hamburger" in silent knowledge, and one appears in front of you.
Or don Juan and Genaro's magic show they put on for Carlos, pulling random objects from behind stuff as he watched.
If you do it somewhat sitting up so that you can look down into the flowing water, eventually you'll find fish swimming by.
That also is just an inevitable Silent Knowledge display, based on "expecting fish" in water that's flowing like that.
So "fish" becomes the topic for silent knowledge.
Tensegrity is not so much about "energy".
That's Aerin's delusion caused by never following the instructions Carlos gave us and never having seen real magic.
She just tried to turn it into something Asian. Just as she's now adding Yoga to her mix of products for sale.
We even believe, one of her students is doing youtube videos of her fake magical passes, and then segwaying into chi gung.
Combined with an angry warrior's way rant.
But no magic at all and no interest in having any.
She's likely franchise motivated.
I’m pretty sure there are better versions of those passes in video. At least in the first one, he is kind of weird.
Carol gave a whole workshop on Running Man. We did the moves lying down and standing both. And with a lull while lying down, sometimes several minutes, very dreamlike. That's how I remember it. The standing was more like a dance. The energy was much different in both.
Somewhere I read, or maybe from the workshop, the intent is to be dipping your feet and splashing in the dark sea of awareness. I do the moves ( not all ) every night with the result that at odd times during the day a most exquisite relaxation and energy fills my feet. Also, being an old man, Running Man keeps my legs limber
I've seen the feet splashing in the water often, so it's good to hear Carol verify it.
So those became "tensegrity passes" officially, when Carlos taught them as "not-doings"?
Being a Tensegrity pass means to me, there's old seer magic hidden in them.
Being a not-doing means, by using his seeing, he figured out movements that have the best chance to move the assemblage points of the practitioners, and get them to notice it.
However, women are notorious in sorcery groups for ignoring what the serious minded men said, and contradicting it successfully.
Cholita does that all the time.
If you find a link, give it to me and I'll see if I can screen grab it, for use later to fine tune it.
But what about sweeping the sole of the foot, up the other leg?
I don't see that in the gifs.
That's the one which worried me most.
It's correct?
The movement is a quicker splash, not sweeping.
I have some of them in video, but they are bad quality, so I never uploaded them. Notice that the movement comes from the hip, it's not just the feet moving. He emphasized that. This is the first one:
You think that link will remain good until I finish dance home and put the running man in the first video using it?
I could screen capture it if needed.
They, they can stay. I'll upload the rest and at some point I will re-record them with more light. Here is the second one:
Great!
<"He emphasized that."
So we learned this pass at different times. And with minor variations. I learned from Carol, she was all intensity and passion.
Ive always done the sweep or splash up the leg 4 times on each leg. I must have learned it at the workshop. So sweep front, back, inside, outside on each leg. The outside is awkward so do it more with intent.
Carol also had us do the passes with barriers set up, maybe 5 feet high. My impression is that Carol was doing her own study of energy flow. The panels were first set up in concentric circles when we did the passes so our awareness of other participants was more linear (side to side).
Next we did the passes with the panels isolating us individually. I felt very much by myself, isolated. That's when I remember doing the lull between passes for several minutes. Dream-like.
Was anyone else at this workshop? Does anyone remember doing Running Man standing? I didn't keep up with these. But just a non-factual side note, when Running Man standing comes to mind I get a strong impression of Silvio Manual dancing. I can only think he was mentioned then.
The passes where you spread the energy up the legs were in a different series of not doings.
You're right. There was a series of passes called The Code that Carol taught that were done laying down. She said they were very powerful and the order in which they were done was important. That's where I learned the energy sweeps up the legs. I'm vague about learning them with Running Man. I'm sorry for the confusion.
I learned the not doings in the private classes given by Carlos to the women before the August 1997 workshop where they were shown for the first time. There were about 5 or 6 different series, and this running man series is actually made of passes taken from all of those original 5 series.
Which workshop did you go to?
My first workshop was Culver in 1995. The confusion is due to the multitude of workshops I went to and the number of passes I learned and forgot. I have always done the Masculine series religiously tho, but didn't know the passes were magical. I just knew they kept me physically strong and that was enough.
Yes, it’s easy to get them all mixed up
I've been in reverie this morning. About my bastardized Running Man. Sometimes it just seems to happen and seems ok as long as it's connected to "the force".
Like when you turn the body on as the first step in tensegrity. You can do it with your muscles. And then add being really big and powerful. Huge! Tall! And then do the masculinity series with every bit of explosive tendon energy you can muster. Just exactly like in "Magical Passes".
But "the force" is most interesting to take into reverie. (Reverie a la Zuleica). The force as it relates to intersubjectivity in this community. I'm just not quite there yet. But sometimes, waver the force does.
But alas, too old I am.
He is doing outward rotation with left leg but inward with right leg. Not sure if there is such movement? https://intent43.blogspot.com/2022/09/running-man-tensegrity-pass.html shows both legs do outward movements in the first pass.
Somewhere i picked up the first movement as being that way, and then only 3 or 4 moves in do both rotate together.
But I'll keep it in mind when it's time to tinker with it.
Yeah, I just reviewed it and the first movement looks wrong.
Keep watching for more if you have time!
Yea, I caught that one.
But I was a little distracted by the camel toe.
Just from a technical point of view of course.
Camel toe was common among the women surrounding Carlos. In fact, the J curve lecture utilitized it to the advantage of Carlos, who was grinning because he knew what we were looking at, but had told us to follow his finger with our gaze.
It's rude to discuss that in the extremely prudish USA, but not in Chinese countries.
They make casual jokes about it, because in fact, the women there use that like warfare. To lure men.
We have a 60 year old chinese accountant who usually is wearing something so tight, it's nearly pornographic.
One of our young sales women who dresses sexy and got criticized for it once pointed out, "Meee???!!! Have you seen the way the accountant dresses?"
Yes! That is why he looks so weird
I found some notes from the Los Angeles Workshop in August 1997:
"The passes for Not-Doing actually stir the shallow stream of awareness, our only avenue to the Dark Sea. She explained, like a medical professor, that in performing the Running Man and On the Run series we were bringing energy and awareness up, splashing it onto our legs and intentionally bringing it even further up the body to our vital centers (the liver, gallbladder, spleen, pancreas, V-spot, and womb for women). She stressed that this progressive movement of energy and awareness upward had to be accompanied by a sense of increased discipline and behavioral change." source
So they must have pulled a mass from On The Run, and included it in Running Man?
Jackpot then!
I'm glad to hear about the stream of water.
I was seeing that without having remembered, or perhaps never even have heard, that.
It worked all by itself!
This has 14 moves, not 12! I just put it into my animation.
I'll have to check, but it seems to have multiple mistakes in it.
Good thing we're going to preserve the real ones.
But not a good thing I have to edit it. I'll have to be careful which youtube videos I use.
That one is altered.