For roughly two weeks I have worked on accumulating silence. It feels like it does accumulate...
I can better notice when I'm thinking, and I can feel a palpable difference between chatter and silence, though it's sometimes still fuzzy.
I know I was just thinking...but about what?
Does "Over-concentration" count as dialogue? It gives me the same "lost in the clouds" feeling as the clearest inner dialogue.
Forcing silence feels at once peaceful and frustrating.
I've been trying to force silence when I work, when I talk to family members, when I exercise. The dialogue wants to persist. It wants to stay alive. When I'm driving it's easier to force silence. I unfix my gaze and take in the entire peripheral view at once, and as long as I hold that kind of attention, the silence is easy to feel (still not so easy to control).
It feels exhilarating to be in the silence. Nothing is "going on" in the common sense, and yet I feel like my consciousness is moving at warp speed.
I started doing tensegrity in the dark. At first I couldn't tell if I was being silent, which means I most likely wasn't. But last night I had a similar feeling as when I'm forcing silence while driving. I focused on the "peripheral feeling of the movements," and had what I might call "flickers of silence."
Side note, the tensegrity feels like the best movement I've ever done. When I practice during the daytime, my body loves it.
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You're still imagining your silence.
That's obvious.
But it's still progress. As long as you work hard, you make progress.
Keeping in mind, you'll be fully mistaken for a long time, on what silence really is.
Just make sure to grow beyond that, to REAL silence.
Darkroom does that automatically, as long as you INSIST on real magic, right "in your face".
But we're all brainwashed by fake Eastern magic, into thinking it's all just some "mood" you cop that makes you a "Master", so that you can lord it over others.
There are other fake magical systems such as Sufism, where people are taught the opposite; that magic is very real.
Except anyone exposed to too much Sufism is even more screwed up, than someone who was a delusional Buddhist for a few years.
Sufists develop the idea that magic "takes place here", and it's like learning to hammer nails, or play a piano. Or it's a magic lamp you learn to manipulate.
So that once you learn that, you can use it any time you like.
Nope... It takes decades to learn to repeat our kind of magic.
Instead, you get one new demonstration after the other, never actually repeating the same thing.
I've been calling that delusion "the Superman Effect". Meaning, not realizing it's darned hard to do real magic, and that making it consistent enough to be as reliable as our normal reality, is ultra advanced. And not even worth pursuing.
We also get comments from beginners such as, "Why would you need an inorganic being, when you can just ask for answers in Silent Knowledge?"
We actually got that comment from a Chinese person a week or so ago.
Hopefully no one in here needs the answer to that.
But just in case... It's because you'll never reach Silent Knowledge, without the dark energy of inorganic beings.
After that, you can ditch them if you like.
But I sure can't figure out why you'd do that. If you weren't just pretending and visualizing the whole thing.
imo its pretty obvious when silence comes, the world collapses. a lot of times you think you are "silent" when really you just arent verbalising your thoughts. you are still propping them up in other ways however, so its not real silence.
Yes, the world literally STOPS.
It can't do otherwise.
However, you have to be able to do that, before you realize there's no possibility it won't stop, if you truly get rid of your internal dialogue.
So telling people that, doesn't help them succeed.
Fortunately, all the cool stuff during darkroom takes place even if you merely "alter" your internal dialogue.
That's how meditation works. They give you something else to think about.
Naturally since meditation people never even try to stop their internal dialogue, the results are pretty much pathetic.
But still a lot more magic than the average person has ever seen.
I'm not sure if Silent Knowledge actually requires a deeper level of silence t han the green and red zone on the J curve, or just that you sustained that level long enough for your assemblage point to move all the way to the bottom of your egg, and back up.
Likely it does, but it's also likely women can move it all the way over to SK, without actually having done the work to learn deep silence.
In fact, we know they can, because that's how we got the J curve lecture from Carlos.
Two women had moved along the entire J curve, in one evening.
Of course, they didn't remember it.
None of us would.
For beginners, it's like trying to remember all the details of a dream you just woke up from.
Mostly you'll just remember the last thing you saw, and how you "felt" in that dream.
Fair enough. I know what you mean by imagining silence. I tried in this post to allude, in heavy metaphor I guess, to my brief experience with the real thing. Tbh for me, all the really cool magic stuff is a side effect of why I’m interested in Castaneda to begin with. After reading a passage on this forum about recapitulation, about the ultimate purpose of this system, which is to engender the next evolution of man after death, I felt that is really what’s drawing me in to pursue it. But on the other hand, I can’t say for certain what is the source of any of my personal motives.
Did you see all of he cartoons?
this one shows what recapitulation is like, if you practice it seriously.
Which no one has ever done, apparently.
Because we didn't end up with any time travelers, so far.
Recap leads to REAL time travel, in your physical body.
Thank you for sharing that. It’s a new perspective on the practices, but I wonder if I watch too much of that, will I start to anticipate things erroneously, imagining I should be seeing what I saw in the cartoon.
As for recap, I would assume no one has done it because it’s incredibly difficult and time consuming? It seems much easier to me to sit in a dark room and look for colours.
No one did it because everyone is lazy due to Chimp DNA.
We're programmed not to engage in activities which don't give us immediate gains.
And also people don't want to give up their free time.
Meanwhile their life occupies all of their energy.
Or as Carlos put it, "No one wanted to give up their lifestyle."
As for seeing what you saw in the cartoon, that is indeed a risk.
We've accepted that in here, after 6 years.
At first we worried about it, but then what was the alternative?
Everyone going on pretending they're "impeccable", but never seeing any real magic?
And it's the same risk that infected the new seers, when one of their own saw "The Eagle", and everyone got stuck with that.
It's not so much a psychological effect as you might assume, but just how things work when no one has seen them before.
When there's no latent energy to guide what forms from the emanations.
So it just means the new world that assembles, will be ultimately selected by something you saw, if it's anything at all like that.
You'll never be free of influences, until you fully clean your link to intent.
And that's a LONG WAYS AWAY.
Plus once you aren't influenced by anything, you leave human realms.
Most would find that a bit disturbing at first.
So best to just be happy you see anything at all!
As for seeing colors, there's good news to those who don't want to recapitulate right now.
Zuleica said that once you reach what we call "the orange zone", it doesn't matter if you recapitulated or not.
Recap gives you no advantage, when you reach the phantom zones, and Silent Knowledge.
However, without it, it's harder to get that far.
Unless you have a steady supply of inorganic being dark energy.
What some people say about recapitulation being “boring” or “scary” are nothing but excuses to avoid working on releasing their simulations — even though recap is a very simple practice that immediately offers the most incredible kind of magic.
"Chimp DNA". That reminds me of the guy from “Going to specialize in recapitulation” about two months ago — the one you told that, with eight months of work, he could start traveling through time… No one demanded anything from him, but he had the self-imposed pressure to report his progress... And what happened? He hasn’t reported any progress, has he? Did he choose to delete his account?
And a comment from two weeks ago: “Recap is kind of like cooking the same recipe over and over, until it's absolutely perfect.”
We had a few also claim they could easily find their hands in dreams, and they'd stick to that.
But then, so far nothing came of it?
Likely they learned, they COULD NOT easily find their hands.
That takes tonality energy going into the dream.
I think they haven’t found any "scout" yet, or they would’ve already posted about it... Looking at one’s own hands and then looking back at the dream’s content should be a “tonal energy injection,” but even if they did it five times in one night, it would be foolish to keep doing it while asleep—especially when they have the possibility of entering dreams awake from the dark room...
Except the women...
They always mess up any "rules" you can make.
And there's a post in the advanced subreddit, just because Cholita asked for something, thinking I wouldn't do it for her, but instead I did 5 times as much.
And that night, WOW!!!!
I don't know how they do that, but you can't fake that kind of power.
Or else I'd have figured out how.
It totally explains why the lineages gathered 5 women first, and then the double male.
But he never realized it was mostly the women, letting him succeed.
Might have thought it was the previous lineage's Nagual causing it.
But in fact, it was the structure the lineages learned to create.
I was talking about men... Women find cracks or float right over the walls. They’re absolutely incredible beings, but sometimes they have serious motivation problems... I suppose that any one of them who decides to work in the dark room awake would eventually kick the ass of every sorcerer in history... Same with recap — if one of them truly commits, she’d instantly trigger some crazy kind of magic... Maybe teaching or show magic to others could motivate them?
I definitely believe that “seduction” can bring “power” to both sides, but it’s a very delicate subject, because it attracts male “bad players” thirsty for a harem, or female ones thirsty for a soulmate.
In the lineage system, it seems that the nahuales spent their time praising other nahuales and never truly realized the importance of women — maybe that’s why some of them got tired and sent that whole system to hell...
Yesterday I felt genuinely excited when I reread about La Catalina’s stalking abilities in that book by Taisha, since La Catalina was a hundred years old then, but looked forty and could “see” Taisha effortlessly... Amazing! So there I was smiling, picturing La sexy Catalina — but immediately I got sick with all that display of self-pity from Taisha... Disgusting!
Notice how it turns out that the books have been taunting us with the idea that some sorcerers learned to live hundreds of years, but that the knowledge of how to do that is basically lost.
Meanwhile, Star Wars came up with the same idea.
Palpatine lures Anakin using it.
Another of those Star Wars coincidences.
And how often do you do it?
I used to do it 6 times a night on a good day. And not pretending.
The whole "back and forth" from hands to objects in the dream.
But that was after an intense effort for a year.
I went to bed early, so that I had a full 12 hours.
And did 2 hours of recap before bed.
So I reduced my work hours to just 6.
Eventually I concluded that path isn't what people believe it to be.
It's a total mistaken interpretation of the books.
Which no one cares to correct. You can't even point out the actual storyline, and get people to give up that make believe.
Most likely, Carlos wasn't going to sleep at all, to get into dreaming.
He only did that until he could silence his internal dialogue.
I meant now.
It takes a lot of energy to focus on that.
And at best, it's an attention seeking activity to "find your hands".
A bit like trying to seek attention with "the cool kids".
Who are actually, really screwed up people.
Meanwhile I go in and out of dreams, including sleeping dreams. And without going to sleep, so there's no loss of lucidity you need to somehow regain.
If I were to focus on an attention seeking activity, it certainly wouldn't be that one.
I'd pick one of dozens of others which are more spectacular.
Such as those "red ones" in the emanations.
If you grab those, you can fly.
But they have other uses, such as making your ally seem 100% solid and real.
That's what I'd really like to learn.
To make an Ally as real as Vicente could make them.
I meant it as a technical thing like if someone who gets to the purple zone everynight would naturally have it anyway.
No.
To find your hands inside dreams, you have to intend it.
If you don't, the ability to do dreaming awake doesn't cause you to find your hands inside sleeping dreams.
I believe, it's only "tonal obsession" which can send tonal rationality, into dreams.
This doesn't have anything to do with womb dreaming.
In that case, you're using something else. So women might be able to find their hands, without obsessing over that aspect of it.
BUT, in the purple zone, eventually you gain the ability to go right off into a sleeping dream, without going to sleep at all.
You leap right into a video in the air.
And so you don't lose rationality at all.
No need to "find your hands".
The dream just becomes an extension of the tonal world.
I guess I'm just asking how much of your sleep is ordinary non-lucid slumber?
Mostly I instantly end up in the IOB realm, with them trying to interact continuously.
Trapping me in a dwelling with them.
I know it's going on, but I'm not lucid enough to rebel.
It's one of the pitfalls of sorcery.
You don't merely become "interesting" to them, such that they suddenly make you an offer to live with them past death.
They aren't that stupid!
They start focusing on you even more in your ordinary dreams, right from the moment you start growing in energy.
It's a slow, continuous process.
Thus I believe, "Art of Dreaming" is more like the Harry Potter book, "defense against the dark arts".
To make us aware of what happens as you learn more.
But it's only applicable to people who are learning, when they actually become interesting. It's not applicable to beginners who are only pretending.
If you reach that point where you are daily in waking dreaming for a full hour, gazing at endless dreams, you'll most likely come to realize that you have to do something about the IOBs swarming you at night, in your sleeping dreams.
At first it's kind of like when seagulls realize you have a picnic at the beach.
But as you grow in sorcery skills, the seagulls become less unpleasant.
Your awareness of what's going on improves and they start to try to please you, instead of annoy you.
Thus the "offer" they made to Carlos in Art of Dreaming, is a bit misleading.
Might not even have happened like that, but Carlos needed to tell it in a way we could understand.
The truth is, they're ALWAYS making offers.
Have been since we were small children.
We just don't pick up on it so clearly as we do, when we begin to understand how reality actually works.
I learned it while driving. You’re right seems like it’s helpful to flood your eyes and turn it off. It is frustrating, it doesn’t make me enlightened when I hold it. It makes me aggressive cause it’s hard to get and I want more of it. It got confusing at times trying to know silence from pretending and the distractions and trickery the internal dialogue plays, until I learned the silence is empty and echoes nothing. When I first found this sub another user told me; “silence is accumulated.” I’m not so sure if it’s accumulative, or you’re activating the muscle memory gets easier?
you accumulate it..
basically it's like "building it"..
and after then it won't be difficult to enter in silence but to keep it while you have it..
Awesome. I appreciate you clarifying that for me. It’s been one I’ve been unsure since coming here. It’s likely it was explained correctly to me and I understood it wrong.