This post is taken entirely from the second attention, such that the details don't make any sense in this realm.
And yet, it worked to get me to silent knowledge much faster than usual.
I discovered there are three specific assemblage points that can speed this up with each one being fairly easy to reach. And from each, it's easy to see the next.
The first is the bliss of the green zone,. which traps those who pursue meditation.
We value removal of the "me, me, me" oriented "self", something meditation never even gets close to doing. Instead they sit themselves on a little throne, pretending they can teach something valuable to others.
But there is indeed a small value to "bliss" in that, it makes it easier to sit up and gaze into darkness. With bliss there's mostly no pain in your body, and you aren't wishing you could go do something else.
I suppose it's a bit like being a drug addict who just got his fix, so he's content for now.
But from there you need to move to the next spot.
While I was sitting in bliss, something explained that the "hard surface" was next.
I have no idea what that could be, but it seemed to merely be what Carlos called "the wall", from a fully visible waking dreaming point of view.
There, the "self" becomes meaningless. And if the bliss is still present, it's not important enough anymore to focus on it. You're somewhat "beyond having a body".
It's a very entertaining "wall", but it's still not silent knowledge. Silent knowledge "penetrates" dream topics by burning through them with sparkly amber light, whereas "the wall" just presents them as scenes in a vague fog.
Beyond that surface is silent knowledge. At that point, any remaining trace concerns you have will disturb the process of seeing what is coming to you from infinity.
But each "concern" exposes the cost of such mental contamination, and if you can remain awake for an hour or so you might reach the level of a fully stopped internal dialogue.
And be able to learn from it for a while.
That being the reason to try to speed up the process. You can't practice this type of sleep walking for long before it's just too tempting to lay down and drift into sleeping dreaming realms through the cracks.
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My daughter asked me this question about the assemblage point: “hey boomer, if the assemblage point exists, tell me why i can’t grab it with my hand and place it where i want it to be? why can’t i just place it directly on the purple zone you keep talking about?”
Arguably, I had no real convincing comeback answer to her question; i tried to frame my answer in terms of energy pulling on energy…
Isn’t that possible though????? Like… “the nagual’s blow” to shoot you into the orange zone?
There probably exist, or can be developed, techniques to move you into the green or red zone (though you can do that with drugs).
It’s just that it isn’t worthy learning or developing such methods because of the time invested you could be better spent elsewhere.
If you can manipulate the purple blobs, in theory you can move the AP.
all well and good but I laughed way too much at the notion that your daughter refers to you with "hey boomer" 🤣🤣🤣
I wanted to ask a similar question. You can move your hand at the AP (assemblage point) of energy body and feel it after practicing it enough times. Can't we do the same to feel the AP behind us, then grab it and move it?
The ap is a means for a state of perception.
The ap is not a physical object you can manipulate just like our moods aren't tangible and yet both exist and are actually related.
The ap can be literally seen from someone that "sees" and our moods can be seen and perceived by people who "know" us. Moods can be manipulated by deliberate action same goes for the ap. Both moods and ap are affecting our immediate perception so they are fluid but still there is a preferable state for both. For the ap is the blue zone for our moods is what we usually are into. ( If anyone is saying I don't have a preferable moods then they have to look at themselves better because they do have but they are not aware of, recap will bring awareness here)
So the ap to go to the real silent knowledge position it needs some very deliberate action that goes way too far for the ordinary human . SK doesn't relate to what is known for the human and is a state of perception. It's all about perception. Let's not forget about that.
Because she'd have to learn to see it first.
Once she does, we can talk about if she can manipulate it with her own hand.
The problem is that in order to see it, your assemblage point has to move.
Also, once you can see it you likely become obligated to help others.
It's like the four leprous men in the bible, who found an enemy camp that was full of food, and no one around. The enemy had fled.
I believe, God gave them horrible hemorrhoids, but that might be on another occasion.
Carlos told his private class to "Really study the bible, and then you'll see what nonsense it is."
I did, but that's not what I saw. I think Carlos just never did that himself.
If you want to see what nonsense it really is, watch YouTube videos on Neanderthal and Denisovan humanoids, who invented fire and tools long before modern man existed, and watch other videos on the JWST telescope findings.
That's a better way to dispel worries about any religions being true.
They're all nonsense.
So the lepers found an enemy camp outside the drought stricken walled city, took as much as they could eat and carry, and then realized they needed to share with the city which had cast them out as infectious.
Saying, "We do wrong".
That's what likely happens once you can actually see the assemblage point reliably.
This is interesting "addict who just got his fix" sometimes when I am bored during the day I cross the eyes and start chasing small "visions" they are entertainment but don't know if these can be a problem when trying to move assemble point.
Also while gazing in the dark when I think the assemble point start moving I got immersed in some of the scenes, I think the monologue is reduced but is like I forget about it until it ask a direct question, don't know if this immersion is ok, I have this strange nagging that I doing things the wrong way.
No, those are all very good and useful as a starting point, assuming you aren't smoking pot to induce them.
Pot makes you seriously tired, so that it becomes impossible to practice for the hours needed (at first) to move your assemblage point to the other side of the body, where it needs to go for "seeing".
Anything perceptually strange that's not just visualization or Buddhist-like pretending, is useful to learn sorcery.
But it's 23 feet from where our assemblage point normally is, to where it needs to go.
What you described is just a 6 inch movement.
Which is 6 inches more than most ever learn to move it!
I think this is me,I experienced bliss,and it was the best feeling I ever had,days later,a friend passed me a joint(I haven't smoked in 1.5years before that incident),I took two puffs,and I was terrible again,now I'm wondering if I will reach the level of no pain in the body again,I feel like complete idiot
Pot isn't a big deal. Not much worse than alcohol for harming the ability to move the assemblage point.
Don't start thinking in terms of being "unclean" because you did something.
That's a serious religious obsession of many systems. The urge to be "pure", because in fact there's no actual results other than pretending to be "holy".
Problem with pot is, you'll escalate the amount and it soon makes you tired and lazy. And while it's active it pulls your assemblage point up to just below the shoulder blades, instead of letting it move down freely, past the green zone.
The effects it produces, are entirely "green zone" and rather lame. Even strong hypnogogic images are barely interesting compared to sorcery "videos in the air". which could be said to be "multi-dimensional" compared to pot visions.
And marijuana can be overridden during practicing. As can alcohol. Unlike stronger drugs such as shrooms.
I doubt anyone can override the effect of shrooms or peyote, which is to push your assemblage point all the way down the back and to the right.
You're essentially "ill" at that point.
And it's only 1/3rd of the way that sorcerers need to go.
More likely than that pot messed you up, is that you just ran into the common problem of not being able to repeat new experiences.
It happens all along the J curve, including when you can do things like walk through solid walls, or leap through outer space.
Seemingly in your physical body! Or at least, you're fully awake, practicing tensegrity, eyes open, you see a window on your wall, and you leap out of it into another world. Where you explore for hours.
With no way the next day to explain how that can be, and no evidence later on that you didn't do what you seemed to do.
Usually you get 1 repeat, and then none.
But the good news is, you get to do HUNDREDS of different things like this. So if you can't repeat some it's actually beneficial because you have to work hard to get the next one that you haven't done yet.
Anyway, bliss is not a useful thing.
It just means you shifted your assemblage point left, instead of keeping it in the middle as it goes down.
So actually, bliss deceives you. And can even cause you to think that the insect hive mind awareness which happens when the assemblage point shifts left just below the upper shoulders, is "being one with everything".
It absolutely is not. You're one with the queen of the beehive, that's all.
It's just a different "meditation high" to reach "enlightenment".
And you need to go 46 times further than that, to do what sorcerers do.
I never smoked or tried any drugs , in the past just wanted to play video-games.
Unfortunately I have some "magick ,left-hand path" inventory so I am been trying to keep visualizations an imagination at bay.
Sometimes when I get annoyed with tinnitus I use music to induce the "visions" but is hit or miss.
In the dark room after maybe one hour , some times dreamlike and foggy or faded images appear in front of me and after those very few times something more visible appear , the last time I got "lucky" , something similar to the image below appeared.
But look for those purple puffs, which might only show up if you follow instructions in here, perfectly.
It's the Tensegrity that lures your energy body to come off the walls of our luminous shell, so that you can encourage it to cling to the middle of your torso.
Any magic you actually see is good, but so far we haven't seen anyone get further unless they can see the puffs, and learn to scoop them onto their torso using their hands.
Those puffs can be ANYTHING OTHER THAN VAGUE, on a good day.
They'll take your breath away and you'll be wondering how it can even be possible.
Forgetting tyhat every single night you wanter around in phantom realms that are perfectly real while you are in them.
This is the same thing, except you do your dreaming AWAKE, and instead of walking around in your double (the dreamer), it's right there trying to form into a solid version.
Which it will surely do later on.
You'll get a shiver up your spine and your hair will turn grey and stand up, the first time you realize that's YOU sitting on the edge of your bed.
I am sedentary so was putting off Tensegrity , just max 5 minutes of Life Saver Pass before gazing.
I am going to try to follow instructions and learn more about Tensegrity to try to increase the time doing it.
Why not do all of us a favor and locate all the tensegrity movements which can be done from whatever situation you have?
For example, Zuleica's pass can be done like this crude video, it can be done sitting cross legged, down between your knees, and it can be done elevated, or even above your head.
The door knob pass can be done laying on your back, sitting up, or standing.
There are in fact sufficient passes that can be done even by a person in a wheelchair who is paralyzed from the waste down.
It's just that we don't have people figuring them out, and making a post about it.
And it is possible to get the purple puffs without doing tensegrity.
I first started seeing them around the time I accidentally bumped into Carlos from age 12, to age 18.
Several times.
So either they're contagious, or anyone might see them even without the tensegrity.
But the tensegrity definitely is designed to cause them to become more visible.
Here's 2 passes that use only the arms and hands. Both captured of me doing them in my mocap suit, with the result being that I got rid of it and took a $4000 loss.
Mocap suits are useless. Except the movie ones with all the dots, and $1M software.
The shoulders being unnatural is the worst part of these, but you can figure that out.
Zuleica's pass:
Pandora's box:
Stellar hatch can be done sitting. Just look down through your chair or bed. You do have to lift your arms up, but otherwise you don't have to move around much.
I'll look for a standalone copy of that one if you manage to learn these 2.
There's nothing showing the claw hand,. because no one has ever seen it done by Carlos or the witches.
You have to learn that one from the description and do your best.
That one lets you find the "lines in the hands".
for real!
I still haven't been able to move anything using those, but I suspect it can be done.
Maybe you could make a little leaf jump on the ground as you walk by it.
Cholita can do stuff like that.
She's still lost in Mexico, but there's indications she's helping someone I don't know.
Thanks for the links , I searched online and a Facebook post pointed to the Stellar Hatch being near the end of DVD 2 of tensegrity.
I only saw a puff one time, it was a green puff , but I think was pure luck , in the dark for some reason I was just trying to repeat the movement of Ryu´s hadouken from old anime Street Fighter II that I saw when was a kid, and after I started doing a random circular movement with the hands for some reason and the puff appeared , I tried to repeat it other times but it did not worked anymore.
I have lumbar disc herniation so the Magical Passes book was somewhat intimidating , for some reason I thought I should be able to do all the passes that are part of a series.
I read in a old post that only the first 3 tensegrity DVDs are good. I going to search the passes I can do on the first 3 DVDs and in the Sorcery Passes channel.
When you talk about Cholita I always remember about the cats, maybe she is helping someone that like cats.
Scroll down to the "officially produced videos" sections at the bottom for the three DVD videos, on two different streaming sites:
https://reddit.com/r/castaneda/w/tensegrity/core_tensegrity
(message the mods if you can't guess the password for the link protection)
Thanks , I was able to guess the password.
The cats all gave up. It's rather sad to look out in Cholita's garden and see that it's never occupied anymore.
But that does let me paint the house. I've got someone doing it now.
Cholita wouldn't allow strangers on our property.
I’ve saved 111 posters of your posters since joining the sub. Was reading through them all last night.
Stopping the internal dialogue is the most powerful thing I have discovered in 40 years of mental exploration. When you achieve it, the entities sucking off you detach, often violently (body jerking) with a great sense of relief. Last night one right between my eyes ejected out and I suddenly had all kinds of awareness, and a sense of seeing with my eyes closed (but no quite). I think the entities block "the third eye" intentionally. There may be one main "flyer" but I can tell you from experience there are thousands of small ankle biters clinging to our energy bodies. The flyers are the worst because they have mind blended with you making your mind incapable of performing energy miracles because you are not using your own mind. That which you own you can control with a whim. But you cannot control another's creations with the same ease.
You seem to be pretending your results.
The real thing is much cooler!
I do something with my mind to "go to a place" where my internal dialogue is missing. I think it's an assemblage point position but for me it's an experience of a place. When in the proper reverie, perhaps this is the 2nd attention, when the internal dialogue is stopped, vague feelings, concepts and body pains you might not even know you were feeling suddenly become tangible and you see the surprising source of them and can remove them from your energy body just by looking at them. For example, I had a headache like someone was banging on my head with a hammer and I laid down to silence the internal dialogue and when I did there was an actual entity banging on my head with a thought form hammer! I easily ejected him (it) and the headache popped off and was gone.
That sounds like pretending too, with a touch of schizophrenia, or marijuana.
Try following the instructions for darkroom as posted in here, and go through all the steps to restore your energy body.
I sure hope this obsession with "the evil fliers" doesn't come from Cleargreen!
But whatever you do, get real and restore your energy body!
At that point, you won't have to pretend like this.
The results are truly astonishing.
And always align perfectly with what Carlos wrote about sorcery.
Whereas your results seem to be a mix of various pretend magical systems, with some things you heard about our magic.
But seriously misinterpretted.
Pretending is fine everywhere else because no other "magic system" or religion, has anything real going on.
It's all pretending elsewhere, mixed with pitiful green zone meditative effects.
But in here there's dozens actually making the magic from Carlos' books work.
So you can't get attention in here, from pretending.
Anyone who reads it will know that's what's up.
The only thing they don't know, is why you'd want to cheat yourself out of the real thing.
It's like going to an all you can eat buffet with your friends, but instead of getting food and sitting down to eat you want to tell stories about "all you can eat buffets" you've been to.
None of which seem to be about actual restaurants.
I don't remember Don Juan talking about "green zone" or "dark room" so, who is the one pretending?
There's three people helping in here who were in private classes with Carlos for a few years before he died. At Dance Home.
And even visited his private home to get instruction or to help him with things.
The colors are from PC Paint's palette, which was the only drawing program I knew how to use, when I drew up what Carlos explained in class.
Carlos himself didn't assign colors to the zones, but he did go into detail about what each level along that map represents, and what happens if you shift left and right.
The colors make it easier to refer to a specific range of reality summoned by moving your assemblage point.
Looks like you haven't done any work at all so far? Don't you think it might be a good idea to study in here, seeing as how its the only place where people actually have this sorcery working exactly as Carlos described it?
We're also following his final instructions.
Clearly you aren't. Possibly you aren't even aware of them.
Here those are:
https://archive.org/details/carlos-castaneda-silent-knowledge-cleargreen-1996
Maybe just go away?
This isn't a business, so people who aren't serious and are harmful to others, aren't welcome.
If you just want to show off without having done any actual work you can go to the Cleargreen discussion group.
They don't care. That IS a business. More people means more money for them.