I was going to make another post about Recapitulation but this was much more interesting..
This happened last night during the recapitulation..
having accepted the challenge that Jade has already started and I am following it faithfully (Thank you Jade for giving us an opportunity to experience the discipline associated with the Recap!) as in my daily life I would either forget to recap for one or two days in a row..
I started the recapitulation with the intention of doing half an hour but ended up doing much more.
I started with the sweeping breath and at the same time the synchronization of breathing and the rotation of the head so that the energy lines from the abdominal point rise again but also to feel the threads that extend from the AP towards infinity.
(there is this reference in the excerpt that I will put at the end 👇 from an interview of witches probably as at this moment I don't remember where I found it)…
Initially, energies appeared like hypnagogic images that were quite blurry and seemed very distant from my body.
Faint purple and yellow colors also appeared..the memory I was trying to recap was quite intense and made it quite difficult for me. It was my first love affair. While making the sweeping breath, I felt something "solid" and full of denial on my part, so I pressed for more silence..
At that moment, I wanted to have some "toy" like the silence sticks that I use together with the recap to force silence, but I continued pushing myself more and more.
After an intense energy covered my entire field of vision everywhere, it was like the surface of a black sea with sizzling yellow energy, it had exactly the movement of the sea on its surface that is moved by underground currents and I was in all of this as with the sweeping breath I could see it surrounding me..
As I continued, this yellowish energy began to create some irregularities on its surface like a glitch of small pieces of it that broke and flickered.
I tried to touch one for a minute but I didn't achieve anything so I left it and continued immediately..then the first line appeared and its movement was like a tentacle that whipped everything creating more irregularities in all of them opening small white holes in which they gained depth and became tunnels. Then other lines appeared doing the same..
This time they were more intense and brighter than the first time I saw them.
in the 2nd photo I show how I saw them.
in number 1 it was the first time and in number 2 from this experience..they looked like telecommunication glowingly optical fibers.
(I had made a similar post in the advance chat regarding the first experience.
I used now a photo of Tecno to represent the first view of the lines.. sorry/thank you for that, it was the closest representation of them I could find!)
The tunnels I saw in the depths were scenes from memories that I felt strongly pulling me in. I managed to enter one, reliving the memory.
Returning back, I found myself looking ahead at a single such tunnel that faded until it disappeared.
As I saw these tunnels, I felt again after a while that there was something next to me in the bed that sat next to me but I couldn't see it, I only felt the movement of the mattress that was sinking downwards from some pressure.
Maybe some inorganic being...
the interview excerpt:
Recapitulation is not an arbitrary or capricious exercise. When we do it, we try to feel some long elastic threads extending from the assemblage point. These threads are actually conduits that will return to us the energy we left behind. In order to regain strength and unity, we must release our energy that is trapped in the world and bring it back to us.
While performing the recapitulation, we extend these elastic threads of energy through space and time to the people, places, and events we are examining. The result is that we can return to any moment in our lives as if we were actually there. The important thing is to re-experience the events and feelings in as much detail as possible and then touch them with the sweeping breath, so as to release the trapped energy.
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That's amazing! Thank you for sharing.
May I ask if going through tunnels to get to the desired memory is a normal.part of the process?
On a personal level it was the first time I experienced it, which is why I shared it... but what I can tell you is that everything experienced changes depending on how far the AP has moved into the man's band of emanations , each different zone produces different viewing results.
This is so exciting and encouraging to see!! 🤩 More amazing the further we go… Sharing your experience here is going to help others get further AP progress too! Super inspirational and motivating 🔥
Maybe the energetic mass from Jade’s group challenge gave an extra boost…
Did you notice if you felt any differently than usual after ending the recap session? It sounds like you certainly caught someone’s or something’s attention!
Thank you! Surely the energetic mass would play its role as always! And yes, some iob was definitely present as later that night I felt a tug on my leg while sleeping... something I just now remembered...
I didn't feel as different as some would assume, but on a personal level there was a strong indifference, a let's say non-bothersomeness from things that before even in thought would have made me behave completely commonplaces..
>I didn't feel as different as some would assume, but on a personal level there was a strong indifference, a let's say non-bothersomeness from things that before even in thought would have made me behave completely commonplaces..
You must have reclaimed quite a bit of energy from your memories during this recapitulation session!
The first time I achieved the goal of the technique, I felt an intense burn in my solar plexus, but only then... the only noticeable physical difference I had and remember vividly.
I had one too wasn't from recap but from gazing. Probably after 2 hours. I saw a being covered in light points passied me super quick ( I saw frames of its movement) by my right touching my chest. I felt an explosion of energy in my heart.
That sounds pretty strong!!!
I stole it.
But I left out the usual comment about "Why hasn't Reni gotten it to work yet?"
Which is a fair comment to make, since Reni has convinced Cleargreenites that she's "Saint Reni" from emptying herself using recap. She's found a way to pretend her results.
They turned it into Chinese philosophy thing...
When in fact, it's more like a Dr. Who thing.
Anywhere in time and space. That's what recap has access to.
You can even recap someone else's life.
Which is part of why don Juan suggested that the new seers knew everything the old seers did.
Even when from the storyline, it was obvious they didn't. The death defier surprised them.
But they did have access. They just didn't bother much to go back much, to see what the old seers were up to.
The only thing the Cleargreeners know is the recap witness type which is the biggest bullshit that has ever existed...all the evil they have created has left an irreparable mistake in humans..they are clearly black sorcerers.
What is that?
This requires two people who discuss with each other the topic they want to recap and then sit down and do the technique. It's closer to psychoanalysis than the true goal of recapping. I happened to do it once and I don't want to try it again. The whole experience was pretty miserable.😑🤢
I see, they water down the practices to make them a social dinamic with shallow tonal based approaches.
exactly 💯
Did you make the first picture?
There's an odd thing going on in the subreddit.
I suppose it's one of the side effects of "energetic mass".
If I post a picture of one of dozens of weird things that happen each night, that specific thing tends to repeat.
Usually stuff doesn't repeat, except by "category".
But it does make sense that posting a picture of magic, and having hundreds look at it, could light up that bundle of emanations a bit more brightly, making it easier to locate again.
Carlos was likely counting on this, with the belief that the workshops could pull everyone along.
Except he died too soon.
Jadey seems to have taken up that learning model.
Group mass.
Now all we need is for Cholita to come up with her own idea for how to help others learn.
Yes, I made it, it's a collage of graphics and photos using the Canva app.
I didn't expect to see the lines again, but it happened on its own and not like the first time..
When the first tunnel opened and I saw the first scene, the thought of diving in passed very fleetingly through my mind, to a point where I was ready to move my whole body to do it, but something "prevented" me from doing it.. although I felt my body lean slightly forward.
I was curious about your "negative" representation of the face.
As far as I know, there's 4 ways those faces can show up.
As golden sparkles (SK most likely), as glowing transparent realistic representations (red zone), and as negatives over a whitish light (orange zone).
Then there's the "fully real and standing right next to you", which is likely to make a beginner run for their life.
But a more advanced practitioner (one who has "wrestled" the Ally) might ask "her" to pull her skirt up so you can see what she's wearing under it.
Do inorganic beings use underwear???
Nope.
That's likely deeply horizontally shifted, "shift below". Deep, deep red zone.
I miss the "up the skirt" view. Any Ally will do that for a male practitioner.
And likely for the women too, but maybe they're less likely to admit it.
It was the face of a person I knew years ago..it was exactly as transparent as a photographic negative and had a very thin outline of yellowish glow that I didn't put in the photo of the post.
But the witches told me not to sexualize IOBs. Is there any risk when we get too close with them? Whatever the risk is, I wouldn't refuse if my IOB consented anyway, but still wanted to ask.
Are you sure they said that?
It's somewhat ludicrous.
It was on Discord. Maybe it is a good advice for women but bad advice for men?
Women get sexualized IOBs even more often than men!
Some fear it, some like it.
Possibly that's a misquote of something else one of the witches said, in a specific context.
Or it could have been advice for a specific person, who was essentially a bad player and making trouble over their own attention seeking fantasies?
One important thing that comes up when you get more advanced, is the topic of "motivation".
If you could manage to make an IOB into your realistic lover, you'd have accomplished something very useful.
It's just not likely to happen.
Just last night I experimented with trying to see the Allies in ultra-realistic form.
As I could a few years back.
But I concluded that once you stabilize the orange zone, you can't get the Allies back in realistic form.
Because that's actually your own confusion causing that.
You can't help but see through the illusion instantly, once your assemblage point moves past "self".
IOBs sexually attack by night. It's rather unpleasant. I can tell their "sexual energy" has a different charge and seems manipulative. Like here.. het horny and now feed me more sexual energy.
And if I go to sleep fully charged energetically I wake up drained. How to stop it completely? Protect myself when I sleep? I've woke up in the strangest situations... Can we eliminate IOBs?
Recap these experiences , recap also your sexual experiences. It solves it and gives sobreity in dreaming even if they are normal unconscious dreams.
It's more me waking up from uncouncius sleep and my body moving in sexual ways already....don't want to get into details....it's embarrassing
But basically my body is doing things while I'm uncouncius. Like "sexual sleep walking " if I can use that term. But I caught them the IOBs when I gain awareness in the transition in between...
Also I've felt some of them trying to pull me from my armpits when I get aware, and my fisical body is sleeping I can tell is my energy body being pulled because I have a feeling of plasticity in my body and strange tickling, it's a similar but different sensation with phisicality. In the past every interaction that happened when I crossed was basically a fight, and me coming back to my phisicality..
I just don't like that sexual feeling of being used. I'll do the recap deeply in that regard. Probably it's also my fault.
The IOB's reinforce whatever our most energetic mental, and physical, preoccupations are.
Sexual thought and activity being at the top of most people's queue.
More of the same. That is one of their cardinal methods of interaction.
So, while it is easy to say and much more difficult to do, the challenge of demoting such thought and activity ON THE LEVEL OF ENERGY (ATTENTION) is not wasted. And is why the lineage stated that one doesn't make true progress until one's sexual energy has been re-deployed.
As it is the most charged energy that we have at our disposal. On the level of our attention/time.
Encouraging IOB's to be your fantasy lovers is not in sync with that needed effort.
Don't know if I should share this... Delete it if it's too much Techno.
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Exactly. I've being putting my self directly in those experiences to contrast the effects. A bad relation with that energy, can be very draining, affecting the body, mood, energy levels, clarity, confidence and a sense of negativity with society....
Saving and storing that energy or directed and used with care and love is energeticaly powerful! . A practice in itself. I've seen webs of energy and energy points while doing it that way, inner silence becomes present, there is a charged atmosphere, and you don't feel drained, it's the opposite. I saw a video start forming once!!
And is a magical experience! Looking at the eyes of each other for extended periods of time is very very powerful . It's like a silent connection even if it's only you applying it. And woman catch it instantly it's so amazing how they get things like that so naturally. We man are mindchimps lol.
The other way is not recommended...there can be advances.... but they feel draining and costly to the body health so as to the energetic body.
I never read any advice that having human lovers was any kind of an advantage. If you have the energy to spare, it was said that you could do with it whatever you deemed worthwhile, but that it was still better to keep things moderate and under control.
Or vanilla.
It's when activity stops being a natural and enriching part of life, and boredom enters, that we tend to escalating into fetishes and whatnot...which become stronger with emphasis and dependency, as a response to the boredom.
The decreased ability for a normal person to hold one's sensual attention.
So why would an IOB lover be any less of a potential problem, especially when being moderate and in control is not always in the IOB's wheelhouse with beginners.
They like to escalate, to hook. By creating energetic ties during practice. And they don't really care which kind, or the longer-term implications (which is something else with beings who have lived for millions of years!).
They give more of the same. On tap.
So if you start out with an over-sexualized bend, you will remain on that trajectory and have more difficulty getting things to shift away from that later on.
Sounds like bad advice to me.
>So why would an IOB lover be any less of a potential problem,
I highly doubt we have anyone skilled enough to turn an IOB into a lover.
And if someone could, it would be a benefit to our understanding.
But you can't... Your motivations regarding sex evaporate past the orange zone, and the Allies lose their realness once you "see" on a regular basis.
It's possible that the realistic Ally of the red zone, is mostly a flaw in people which resolves itself as you view more of the second attention. The same way "evil clowns" no longer show up.
La Gorda saw them as rapists, but once she could move her own assemblage point, they turned into nothing more than a "pressure".
Carlos had mentioned that these 3 allies were cyclic beings in a relationship with him.
"Thirty-five years ago I was driving in Chihuahua and was given a plant to plant 15 miles east of the highway (the 15 or the 8, I don't remember). Don Juan said to look for a place with no bridges [indicative of flooding]. So I drove north and then there was a long stretch and no bridges. I parked in the middle and went 26 steps and planted it. And in 20 seconds there were three people standing by my car that came out of nowhere. They wanted me to take them to the border. They gave me fairly interesting information about themselves. One wanted to put people together and said that's where the money is. The other man was a creator, poet, inventor. The woman just laughed and said little."
"I said, 'I can't take you, my car is filled with mementos and sculptures.' They said, 'That crap isn't important. We are important. Take us to the border.' The first guy suggested that I tie him on the top, the second one said he could lie along the front, and the woman wanted to be tied along the back of the car." CC thought it was a joke. A lot of people stopped their cars to ask if he needed help, since it looked like he was being held up.
DJ explained to him when he returned that they weren't people. "'They were entities. They will come back again and again for you to take them to the border. They've found the wheel they're attached to.' These specific cyclic beings knew they were with me. And they've come again and again."
"What's more fascinating is that the lines of cyclicity transcend this world. There are beings related to you in infinity." He explained this was extremely real and palpable. Cyclic beings are one mind in two persons."
Then he asked us if we wanted to see two cyclic beings. He pointed toward the two young women [who look like they might be mother and daughter] sitting at the end of the front row. They stood up and faced the crowd. Castaneda said, "There, these are the same being."
"I'm not joking, this is life and death. The sorcerers' world in which we live is stupendous. We [who can't perceive this] are the dumbos." DJ said, "I'll do anything to help you because we're in the same boat. We don't know something is eating us." [He mimics the flyers saying, "Don't make noise and I'll give you ice cream and the Pope." Then he (DJ) says, "No, I didn't mean it!"]
It seems to be a second version of the story, since as I recall, Vicente is the one who gave him the plants. In the books. Or it happened a second time just like Carlos explains.
However, with the whole "Nagual's blow" memory loss, it's hard to be sure.
It's interesting to see that non-human beings can be cyclic with you too!
That might explain alternate timelines you can pick up in silent knowledge, where "you" aren't even human.
When Carlos says "related to you in infinity", that's what it feels like when you are sustaining SK and looking for those "videos in the air".
The "infinity" is the second attention, when it's so active that you can gaze off into it as far as you can, with the dreaming attention you have.
You even get pulled into it, fairly often.
And kind of "land" in the timeline you were gazing at.
But as if you were already there!
It was also mentioned that this was a gift of power from Vicente to Carlos!
It might also explain even better this passage from a tensegrity lecture shared in this post:
“Then comes the death defier. An outstanding male of his time. The inorganic beings are also blasted by flyers. There's nothing they'd like to do more than to unite with us. But the only ones brave enough are the sorcerers, as beings wanting to enhance their awareness. You profess to be who you are in their realm, and they grab you! How else would they do it, as they have no way of making themselves known. We are being systematically separated [from the inorganic beings] by the flyers.”
It almost seems like the intent of the sorcerers of ancient Mexico may be the path to evolution (or freedom) for inorganic beings who are cyclic with humans who become sorcerers. Sorcery would not be what it is without the help of the inorganic beings.
wow 👏
Is this from lecture notes?
https://www.scribd.com/document/448271226/Cyclic-Beings
I found it here but it has a source reference..
Thank you! 🙏
No please don't listen to that. If you do you'll find out yourself in the end, like some of us did.
Ok, i will listen to you for that.
I have been thinking about it: My bobby (the flyer that pretends to be my thought) sexualizes them a lot. So i will do the opposite of that.
Recap it and your sexual life. Don't fall into that trap. 😉
Dan what you are saying doesn't stand and it's very misleading. Don juan never said that ever. I suppose we have to remind you often that sexualising the inorganic beings is wrong and can lead to bad stuff by them, making the wrong relationships and to blocking in progress which many practitioners have experienced. It's like sexualising a person you want to befriend and ask them to show them their underwear. Totally wrong. Don't promote that please!!
He did. It's in the books.
I'll search for it if I need to.
Search it and if you don't find it it's because it doesn't exist. Seriously don't promote creepy behaviour there's nothing sober about what you said, nothing helpful to make iob relationships progress or anything to make others progress and it's not related with the topic of the faces that the poster is talking about.
The witches in workshops said again and again to practice recap and sobriety in dreaming and related to dealing with inorganics.
It's too lame to ask someone to show you their underwear if there isn't a sexual relationship playing with that behaviour comfortably displayed but both parts. Just because these beings aren't human doesn't mean we shouldn't have sobriety and some dignity in our behaviour.
We must have read different versions of the books!
Or a translation issue?
The lineages were pretty much endless sexual hazing and taunting.
We got the censored versions, but even then it's pretty obvious.
It's a good thing we don't know what Julian was up to. I ran into a passage, but didn't copy it to that list I made, because it was Julian.
Mostly I suspect the lineages were run with bad sexual behavior because they were in Mexico, and that's normal there.
Cholita does it too.
Sorry but...
inorganic beings can very easily draw energy from us, and our relationship between them is a mutual exchange of energy..if someone sexualizes their ally, this will not have a serious impact if later the practitioner, whether male or female, finds himself involved in this type of "game" in their world and if he finds himself raped by iob for entertainment, this would have much problem to the practitioner's physical body and on his path to deepening sorcery?..
I think in the books mention that Carlos was energetically drained by the inorganics and it took him many days to come to his senses and get out of bed..
I ask all this because I have heard all the opinions but no question of this nature.
also if I had an ally why should I see his underwear while there are many interesting things to do with him..iobs have access to infinity, why not ask them where Carlos is? how did he manage to get where he went?..or other useful things for us as a new type of sorcerer's so that everyone can be helped, not just the owner of the ally...
just some serious thoughts and questions…
We're not in a traditional lineage.
So I don't see the need, beyond simply being aware of history, to even consider employing a similar flavor of interactions with the IOB's.
Especially since there is nobody backing us up, in person, to pull us out of any hot water that we might get into with them.
We should be even more measured and cautious than the members of don Juan's party were.
That's why I mention it..we have no help other than ourselves and if someone gets into a bad situation, they're just screwed...every time someone make practice, they put themselves in the unknown, which is full of risks..Second attention is not a game for boredom.
I'll put what I find here as I find it. It's really slow to search the "creepy" books:
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I was dumbfounded. Dona Soledad, the old Indian woman, mother of my friend Pablito, was actually half-naked a few feet away from me showing me her genitals.
***
La Gorda:
She crawled out of the cave, lifted her skirt and showed me her naked body. The first thing I noticed was how slender and muscular she was
***
Mold of Man:
To find him there scared me. I looked at him for a moment and then the man stepped forward and made himself visible to me. He was naked and his body glowed. He seemed to be delicate; almost frail. I liked his eyes. They were friendly and profound.
***
Marta said that she could bet I had never been introduced to a woman while I was naked; that the normal procedure is to get acquainted and then undress.
***
I was slow to realize that I was the other man. When I did, I got the shock of my life. An imponderable physical force pulled me apart as if I were made out of fibers, and I was again looking at a man that was me, romping around with Genaro, gaping at me while I looked. And at the same time, I was looking at a naked man that was me, gaping at me while I made lewd gestures with Genaro. The shock was so great that I broke the rhythm of my movements and fell down. The next thing I knew, don Juan was helping me to stand up. Genaro and the other me, the naked one, had disappeared.
***
"We see it or hear it because we maintain our assemblage points fixed on a specific new position. The more intense this fixation, the more intense our experience of the emissary. Watch out! You may see it and feel it as a naked woman.
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Found the first case. But as I recall there's another referring to the same thing.
All the quotes you provided mention people who, for their own reasons and various purposes, engaged in these behaviors.
Our discussion, however, pertains purely and exclusively to the sexualization of inorganic beings. None of these quotes are relevant to that topic, nor do they justify it. If you had read and understood the reasons behind each person's behavior, you would see that they have nothing to do with the sexual pleasure that sexualization promotes.
Sexualizing the IOBs is likely close to impossible.
So I don't get all the uproar.
It sounds like pretending to me. The way Cleargreen pretends to hate the old seer, and the fliers.
Chances are, past the orange zone you won't even get to see your ally as anything but just a puff with a force pushing on it.
What a very strange discussion this turned into!
Whatever it sounds like to you doesn't matter — you have zero discernment and you're stuck living on old cassettes playing on repeat. Wake up, Dan.
The sexualization issue with IOBs is really old news, and many of us — myself included — have suffered from the truly irresponsible promotion of it. You don't even grasp the future implications of what you're promoting. You refuse to accept the reality that it has hurt many serious practitioners over the years. You refuse to accept the teachings of Carlos, the witches, and don Juan regarding sexual energy. Many times you speak about things you have no real understanding of — sexual energy included.
The one who is pretending here is you — pretending to know better than them, and better than anyone else.
thank you for sharing
Sounds similar to what I termed as "bundles" or "pockets" a couple years ago. I personally wouldn't use "tunnels" because that term has other meanings related to IOB, etc. Language taxonomy aside, if it is the same/similar, it is an interesting occurrence within recapitulation... and can be a fun way to build fast momentum during a recap session... if you dive in. Diving in can result in the generation of more bundles/pockets and eventually creates a portal-like effect through different recollections to recover energy from. Maybe interesting but the path between pockets taken during a session can also be retraced in the moment and eventually return to the originating recap memory where the first bundle/pocket was discovered (basically rubberbanding).
see: https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1cp2ygb/comment/l3lbmt1/?context=3
Our linguistic syntax has no words to describe the second attention, so I use words as close as possible to the spectacle I see.
Boring attempt at a shutdown and instilling doubt, while not sincerely engaging. Is it because you have to consider yourself ahead of others on some sort of linear pathway with goals to derive authority from... maybe due to the time and effort you have been investing in the techniques?
Or is it because you felt triggered into protecting Athina because yesterday, I clearly and simply mentioned the bare minimum of an observation about how she has recently been interacting with Dan and how that might be having consequences to the state of the subreddits. The subreddits which only got to this point over the past 7-8 years because of his involvement?
Not because of your involvement. Not because of Athina's. Both your and her's responses to my observation were outsized reactions of sheer emotion (calling it BS? Athina's sarcastic ramble? Telling me to go lick Dan's ass?). It is a shame to see this place get dragged by the self-importance of a few tight-knit practicioners, who wormed their way and now believe that just a few years of technical practice makes them the proper keepers of knowledge to lead the way for newbies. Go join Cleargreen. I think that would suit you both better.
go away attention seeker
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