These are just what I do on a fairly regular basis, with the addition of a new one I saw last night. But in fact, even "womb dreaming" is a bit like this at times.
I just like to do my magic fully awake with my eyes open, so no one will say it's just a dream.
Last night I was leaning halfway through a rip in reality. A round portal of some kind. This picture doesn't show how far I got in, but it was nearly half way. Mostly only my hips and legs were still back on the bed, where I'd been sitting up on pillows gazing at Silent Knowledge, after an hour of tensegrity practice forcing silence, which is what got me to SK.
SK happens when your assemblage point moves all the way down the back, under, and up to the front. To come into alignment with that of your energy body's assemblage point.
In case you didn't know, we have TWO assemblage points. The video over here will make that more obvious if you never heard of it before.
I seemed to have leaned through a magical portal into an antique shop where they have 2 mummified cowboys on the shelf with the other "1800s collectables".
I don't believe I'd done that before. Half in, half out. I noticed that unlike going all the way in to a silent knowledge "video in the air", I hadn't lost my memory of what I was doing, where I came from, and what I was hoping to learn tonight.
So, don't go fully inside?
But of course a better solution would be to learn how to keep your rationality intact, even when your current timeline ceases, and you're perceiving another one.
Each "reality" is just a timeline out of an uncountable number you can be perceiving.
"Upgrades" are also possible. They don't have to come from someone as complicated as "the death defier".
You can upgrade yourself with any of the cyclic versions you already have. One count said 600, but one of the witches said 6000.
And not all of those have an "energy generating" world, so many are phantom.
But if you take an upgrade, at least for the rest of your practice session you can escape from the terrible burden of being "you".
And be free from that kind of obsession.
So I suppose what's not clear here is, in one of the examples on the left you go halfway into another world, but keep your feet on the ground here.
In the other, you pull a new version of "yourself" out, and adopt it for your current state.
Which makes stopping the internal dialogue easy.
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As long as there’s a visual aid like a tunnel or zooming in effect when going into a floating scene/dream/patch of color I do not forget myself.
Maybe because there isn’t a noticeable skip in continuity.
I think intending ‘maintaining awareness as the AP moves’ has helped with this.
I never lost my memory when an Ally led me in. So maybe your tunnel or zooming is like that, because the new "context" (history?) becomes part of your current history?
When an Ally leads you through a portal, you're looking at them as you walk in.
But if you just materialize over there, then your continuity was broken and replaced.
Perhaps if you zip over there, the timeline of that place is added to your own timeline?
Just a theory.
I never looked closely at what helps one not lose track of what's going on.
Now I suppose, I won't have to because it'll just come up.
Since you pointed it out.
"Shrinking the tonal" is of course behind all this, if you do your sorcery awake.
But what does it shrink into???
I have maintained awareness with and without an IOB visible.
If I materialize in(suddenly in scene) yes, I lose myself.
If I visually zip into a standalone floating scene, I maintain awareness.
I think intending on ‘become aware of falling asleep’ helps, I used to disliked the wording because I didn’t want to be asleep, I wanted to dream awake, but this quote alleviated my bs and I loosened up about it ‘Don Juan had said that technically, as soon as the assemblage point shifts, we are asleep.’
Maybe, we have to set up SK like we were setting up dreaming.
I keep almost fall asleep while gazing at something in daylight
and it always start with the most randomest dialogue in my head
like: lets go slash some sharks! and with a shock I'll be like: WHAT SHARK???
Find out for us!
The only thing I've noticed in that regard is that "relishing" your darkroom practice does indeed produce better results. BUT, you can't fake that. So you can't decide, "I'll relish even harder today."
It's likely the ability to do that is more about your energy level.
Sunlight glitter overdosing might help. It was overcast some days in the last couple of weeks, and not enough sunlight glitter definitely alters the rewards of practicing.
Of course, the rewards don't matter. That's another way to "relish" it. To ignore whether there were enough rewards.
Doing that, you tend to get different rewards that you haven't seen before.
I suppose I can put that "quantum foam" picture there. Hopefully most beginners don't see it burried here.
Because they'll start pretending they can see it, when in fact each tiny particle is full on silent knowledge, and will manifest objects if you gaze at it. There's a long history in the subreddit of beginners trying to turn "eye junk" into success.
This shit is utterly impossible to describe, and you can only view it if the world has completely stopped. Nothing left.
It's as if the Eagle gives you more choices, if you reject the current ones. But in absolute silence, there's nothing to direct the next choice so all you see is the field of possibilities. Perhaps the density of the foam is an indication of how many phantom worlds exist.
I'm going to do a skygazing retreat I think. The worms are actual real things like the puffs, not just a construct like if you tell someone to look for hamburgers in the sky.
A woman back in private classes who was taught sky gazing directly by one of the witches, believed it was a physical phenomena caused by some eye mechanics. She had a degree in that sort of thing.
Wow, that's sad... That she believed that.
It's almost as bad as believing that gifts at Christmas come from a child loving demon in a red suit with a white beard.
Hopefully you know, you can look up in the sky and read "War and Peace" if you're a skilled sorcerer.
Or watch porno movies... Which is much easier to do than reading text.
I'd suggest you shouldn't forget to look for the puffs up there, or as Carlos described it "A violet smear across the sky".
I can see those now, fairly easily.
Can't get it to spit out text, however. But daylight gazing isn't my domain.
Flying like in Florinda's book ought to be fairly easy once you can read text in the sky.
Before that, from nothing but purple puffs up there I'd think it was more likely that a person would materialize somewhere else, than that they'd "fly".
I’m curious if you, or anyone else, has experienced at least two different kinds of forgetting yourself:
For me, there is completely forgetting where I came from, and that seems to happen when there is that suddenly finding myself in the scene/dream and a break in continuity, as you say.
And another way is, there is a feeling of “waking up” in the scene/world/dream where I “realize” I was previously “asleep”, and my memories of my everyday life now feel just like memories of a dream. Not entirely forgetting, but memories change from memories of “real life” to memories of a ”life I was living in a dream”, because I’ve “woken up” as another person.
I usually experience the first example you gave. Where it’s me but in a different reality.
Only a few times, I’ve remembered my day-to-day as being a dream while in a dream.
At the end of a dream, I’ve done a whole summarization of the things I did or places I’ve visited before my view changes back to gazing. That’s always interesting(in a fun way) when it happens.
Too much fun to list! Hope you’re doing well!
Are you doing passes before gazing?
Have you tried drinking a little bit of coffee before gazing?
You will hear all sorts of things during practice, hopefully you’ll get to see them as well.
Lol because you mentioned sharks - https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/1nvp66b/shark_in_the_darkroom/?share_id=aUONC8kEZR4UWe8eKYC80&utm_content=2&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
I used to do passes before gazing, but then once I could simply wake up in the middle of the night and I was so close to silent knowledge that I only needed to gaze a minute or two, the temptation was too great.
But I never fail to do my tensegrity, eventually.
There's prices to pay for moving your assemblage point too far, before doing Tensegrity.
You change the kind of magic it produces.
Because SK requires the energy body to be formed, or there's no alignment possible, that means there's no puffs to play with, unless they break off and go rogue.
BUT, you also get to "see" what the tensegrity does.
That might sound like a fair trade, except that it's impossible to remember what you saw.
Whereas puff theatrics are easy to remember.
Sorry, this was in response to Shegino. I thought reddit ate the comment, but i accidentally wrote it to you instead of replying back to him.
That shark thing is definitely the second attention! Irrational thoughts.
I never found anything I could do to exploit those.
If you "try" to allow irrational thoughts, you more than likely will just prevent them.
If you could allow them, you'd already be somewhat advanced.
I can't stop them when I'm sleepy.
Those are the start of dreams. But noticing them and not interfering is very difficult.
I suppose that's why women focus on their womb. To keep their awareness from straying all over the place.
This is one of those things, which happen quite often on this reddit, where I have a burning question for a day or two and then randomly appears here the answer. I was gonna ask you guys if is possible to do Tensegrity in a different moment of the day which is not in the same moment as the practice? Sometimes I can't do Tensegrity and then continue with practice, but I can do Tensegrity when I wake up and then at night I can gaze in the dark and recapitulate. I see super vivid color shows 5 minutes into sitting quietly in the dark ( or trying to at least ) and love to sit there watching random and abstract lights doing weird things in the dark, practice making my energy balls etc. Or do they have to be done in very close time proximity?
I'e experienced the situation where I did tensegrity for an hour or so, didn't really see much, but a few hours later I'd be feeling sleepy (not from tiredness btw) and I'd start at the tesnegrity again and start seeing purple colour instantly. This path is a bloody weird one 🤣
Maybe the idea is that there is a general practice, but it all changes due to individual level of energy and silence... it is indeed unusual...
"dark room" is a modern invention. Carlos didn't tell us to do that, and it's only "somewhat" in the books. Eagle's Gift has the most practices like darkroom.
So do as you please! No one knows what works best.
Just make sure you don't stop practicing, whenever you can do it.
And practicing REQUIRES you to do your best to stop your internal dialogue.
Yes, I know and is well imprinted in my brain the silence as a must, I just thought that you guys might have a formula or certain sequence. Such as sunlight glitter during day of the practice and so on.
Thank you!
I have a "bad night" if I don't overdose on sunlight glitter. In fact, I'm going for a walk right now. The sun is just now coming up.
In case anyone wonders, there's a very obvious reason do get sunlight glitter at sunrise, or sunset.
Try getting it at noon and you'll figure it out!
But you can also get it from an LED flashlight if it's super bright.
Even as an "emergency measure" in the middle of a darkroom practice session where you didn't get any during the day, and it's very obvious in the results.
I often do Axis Breath before gazing.
Ah, I should try that thanx for suggesting!
Whatever makes sense for you there. I had to find a balance, too much coffee flared up my ID.
Sorry thought i replied to you directly last night, accidentally went to the op.
More and more recently, "falling asleep" has been featured in posts. It turns out that all you have to do is just fall asleep, remaining conscious, or, as in Castaneda's books, catch the moment of falling asleep? Is everything else a new religion with its tricks? If so, we can save a lot of time by eliminating searching and looking at different spots, keeping our eyes open, unnecessarily struggling with internal dialogue, and so on. Do you just have to do everything to want to fall asleep and catch the moment of falling asleep?
It turns out like this?
The first gate of dreaming is the first gate of dreaming. You won't get a better tutorial than in the books. That's my 5 cents.
Yes, absolutely. To the first part. If you can actually fall asleep but remain aware, you can use that as the start to learn sorcery.
The women partially do that, with womb dreaming.
I didn't understand some of the rest. And while you might manage to avoid learning to stop your internal dialogue by "going around it", which is sort of what magic mushrooms do, and by going around the internal dialogue get some flashy experiences, in the long run you still have to learn to stop your internal dialogue.
Or else you can't "relearn" the world, by being in sorcery states all day long.
You have to go back to infancy, and start over. Relearn the world, while seeing what's really there instead of what your family wanted you to pay attention to.
Sorcery is a 1000 mile path, not a simple binary destination like Asian meditation systems. Unless you spend a lot of time in Asia, it's hard to understand that our western impression of it is highly mistaken, and that "enlightened" idea is mostly a Confucianism social control to maintain the seniority status of leaders.
If some system talks about "achievements" as if they were an actual goal that indicated you had either mastered their system, or were getting close, you can be absolutely certain those are frauds.
Reality isn't like that at all. It's VAST.
Thinking there's a goal, is "looking in the wrong direction".
Literally!
You have to work hard daily to get to where sorcerers in the lineage got. For perhaps a decade, if you are very talented. Longer for most of us.
Plus, you probably won't be able to do this. Because "continuity" is broken constantly as you fall asleep, and you'll forget what you were trying to do.
Add to that the utter LURE of the second attention, and most likely is that you'd manage to get to the green zone this way, but no further.
Just like meditation does. The green zone traps them all.
Many Asian meditation systems pretend they retain awareness while asleep, but then their results are so boring that the best of them wouldn't even make an interesting beginner's post in here.
And remaining aware while asleep is an infamous Japanese claim about old martial arts masters who are clearly getting too old to teach, and too senile to be of any help.
They make up the idea that you "can't sneak up on our master, even when he's asleep".
Ueshiba's (Aikido) followers did that, when it would be clear to any outsiders that Ueshiba simply "lost it".
Even in that system, it broke into two parts, with the part actually interested in fighting techniques that work, making fun of Ueshiba with stories about his confusion.
You can also see that in Zatoichi movies.
Yogis use this same obvious fabrication, such as Muktananda talking about his "snoring master" who was fully aware of what was going on around him, even when he was slumped over in his chair, snoring.
But in fact, he wasn't. It's just a Yogi deception.
No astonishing magic, and there's nothing to be trying to teach others.
Let us know what happens if you try to use this!
But since it can be done as you go to bed, that leaves the rest of the day to practice tensegrity.
Or "the right way of walking".
A decade? Like with daily practice?
Yep.
This magic goes so far, it's not even believable.
However, you get cool results within weeks if you work hard.
I believe Juann and Lidotska were seeing super fun stuff within 2 weeks.
Lidotska taped 2 big cardboard boxes together and did darkroom in there, as best she could.
While practicing a heavy chain fell from the top of the box, to the floor. A while later "Pinhead" himself materialized inside the box.
Which I suppose would be scary, except he was only 4 inches tall...