This is one of the top trending posts on the r/AstralProjection sub for the past few months. You should likely take it with a grain of salt, but I find it opens up some interesting horizons and may lead some credence to those on the fence. Or it may be an extremely detailed dream that manifested physical aftereffects for this individual.
We've hinted here and there that technology may eventually be able to make practice more reliable and accessible, and since the government is usually decades ahead in technological breakthroughs than the general populace...
I think it's more likely that he projected to a different reality or an alternate timeline; one with more advanced tech.
Really I don't quite know what to make of it, and that's usually a good clue that there's likely some truth to it. Either that, or they're a budding Sci-Fi author (cynisicm isn't my forte).
Edit: but I don't believe for a nanosecond that Trump is trained in A.P.!
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u/danl999
3 points2019-11-14 17:56
It may be an extremely detailed dream that manifested physical aftereffects for this individual.
I'm not allowed to give more details, but I have a witch or two who's manifested physical injury as a result of playing with demons.
Corresponding with me I mean.
I can't explain their injuries.
But my prejudice is to think they already had that injury, but it wasn't painful yet.
I have bumps all over my ankles and feet, from running into stuff in the dark.
Especially with Cholita around. If she finds something of mine outside my bedroom, she throws it out.
So my room is packed with things in awkward locations, and in darkness it's impossible not to stub a toe once in a while.
It can take a day or two before you even realize you had a bruising type injury, and the realization can manifest itself for the first time in dreaming.
So you might end up making a false connection.
But that's good! The more you believe what you did was real, the more likely you'll try it again.
It's the trying that matters, not the experiences.
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u/auxiliary7
1 points2019-11-14 17:24
Nice dream, intense.
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u/canastataa
1 points2019-11-14 17:36
The folks in the lucid dreaming subreddit take everything that happens as subconscious and imaginery.
Those in astral projection take everything as if it happened 100% real.
Probably it's somewhere in between.
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-14 18:01
This is overly ambitious of me, but I'm always looking for a way to fully protect what Carlos was teaching. Even if that means implanting it elsewhere under a different theory.
One day I'd like to see several skilled sorcerers give that an active try. Actually go stalking, to influence other techniques.
I'd sure like to influence the lucid dreaming folks. They have "respectability".
But how? I tried emailing lucid dreaming researchers, but the instant they hear "Carlos Castaneda", they're gone.
It's a pity.
On the other hand, if one took me seriously and realized it's possible to do lucid waking dreaming, where would they get test subjects?
They'd have to raise them up from scratch.
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u/canastataa
1 points2019-11-14 19:18
The dreaming folks need to know about and verify tha presence and interaction with inorganics . They think it's all imaginery, which is kind of true but not exactly- the scenario is fake but the interaction is real. I remembered to look for one and at same time the whole dream glitched - i felt attacked (as if by electrical jolts) but there was nothing in front of me, yet it was almost physical sensation, very intense "touching"
The subreddits that use psychedelics know them as machine elfs.
One guyin AP reddit met a dream charachter that said :He loves hugging and paper cuts..
Maybe I'll try to throw the idea at some point.
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u/danl999
3 points2019-11-14 19:38
Man, they're so close!
It's like a friend of mine, who often saw the room with his eyes closed, during meditation.
He spent decades on meditation, even became a teacher, but never got anywhere.
No one told him, "Shit!!!! You saw the room with your eyes closed??? How come that doesn't get you excited? Do that more!!"
Instead, he got the hand-me-down "Oh yes, this happens. Just ignore it and keep repeating the mantra."
Those guys just need a little hint in which direction to go.
I actually tested this out on a witch, who saw a Cobra demon.
I insisted she could change it in to something else, because it wasn't really a demon.
That went against her training, but after trying to interact with it more, she realized it's behavior could in fact be modified by her thinking about it differently.
(Didn't go any good. Women are looking for a kingdom, not secret powers.)
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-18 12:29
Can you please elaborate on the last sentence?
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-18 16:47
I consult with witches who want more power, or are having trouble with spirits.
I was puzzled about Cholita, and Cleargreen, so I asked one about it.
At the time I was still covered in the women's lib blinders, which say men and women are the same. It was hard for me not to be brainwashed. In high school, I was surrounded by angry women's libbers (in the 70s), in micro miniskirts, "hot pants", and blouses with an open back, a big bow you could obviously tug on, making the whole enchilada fall off.
It was very subtle back then...
It was hard not to take what they said to heart, even if it didn't make much sense. Mostly they got angry over "Fly me to San Francisco", or other sexy advertisements that made them seem to be "sex objects".
In hot pants...
It wasn't until I reached 50 that I realized, nearly every woman over 40 would kill to be a "sex object" again. Especially the women's libbers from the 70s.
I got an excellent definition of the differences between men and women from a witch, and it lines up with both Cholita, and Cleargreen. And frankly, reality.
It's just a placebo for the mind, possibly from "the fliers", to make the argument about men and women be over what job you can have, or who does the housework.
It's all nonsense. It's beside the point. A distraction. More crumbs on the path of "happiness", which actually leads the opposite direction.
It's more nitpicking inside the Tonal.
The witch explained to me that men need to be slaves. They'll join a big organization and do it's bidding, they'll marry a beautiful woman and follow her orders about how their lives should be, they'll become religious fanatics and walk around in robes, because someone else said they should do that.
Or they'll join a "quest for freedom". Become stuffy, obsessed, "impeccable warriors".
It's all about what they do, and doing stuff. And maybe a little about what other people think about them. They still want the approval from boss mommy.
With women, it's all about how you live. Not what you do. That gives them an advantage over men, because they can see the bigger picture.
Men have been enslaved by women on this planet, and from what I've seen of the inorganic beings (who are almost always female according to don Juan), female energy just does that. It dazzles male energy, in order to keep it around and utilize it.
Carlos was plagued with the inorganics trying to kidnap him and bring him to their world.
I've even been brought, although I consider it a lot of fun, and not threatening.
Men are slaves. But they're still brutes. Being a slave to females doesn't mean they won't act badly. Punch stuff, break stuff, shout loudly.
They put on the gorilla display. But the female gorilla is actually the ruler of the tribe. The men aren't their worry. Competition from more desirable females is what they have to look out for.
Women aren't like men according to this witch.
They're kingdom builders.
If their kingdom is destroyed, they rebuild it from whatever is available.
(Isn't this obvious from biology?)
Cholita has rebuilt my entire house, except for my room. She threw away all of my belongings, and bought around $50K of stuff, to make her kingdom the way she wants. Daily she expands it, until now it even fills the garage and back yard. She's working on the front yard, but there's conflict with neighbors.
Yesterday, the old woman next door left Cholita a big bag of persimmons, and 2 gift plants.
Cholita's been eyeing her fruit in her background, and complaining about how much is going to waste. I suspect it came to "words", and thus the peace offerings politely set next to the entrance to the backyard.
Apparently Cholita's kingdom doesn't include a party sized couch in the living room. I had to haul it away yesterday, so Cholita could sit in meditation in an empty room.
The Chinese bosses' son helped, and kept warning me not to touch the Klenix tissues stuck between the cushions.
Good advice. There were a lot of hot women on that couch.
I can't interest Cholita in shared dreaming. But, if the kingdom is the way she likes, she'll ask about shared dreaming from time to time.
And I can use her energy as long as it's just energy she disperses naturally.
Women radiate energy.
Women: forget about "energy vampires".
If you ran into someone that advanced, you should consider an apprenticeship.
Men "vampire" women's energy mostly because they cause their internal dialogue to go nuts, trying to figure out how to dazzle and capture that man.
Carlos set Cleargreen up to be dominated by women. As far as I know, any men who stuck around were so dominated that we have no one with more than a beginner's understanding of Carlos techniques.
Inspirational quotes is all they can offer.
From time to time it was obvious one or another of the women had found a new man to join them, but they also never rose to any level of knowledge. They seemed to be "boy toys".
Or if any men did, they're too selfish to share with others, in order to restore Carlos' reputation.
This isn't about being secretive anymore. Or politically correct.
Carlos' very reputation is at stake, which means the dark magicians are near to wiping out all of his work.
I believe we've turned the tide in here, but that remains to be seen.
You guys need to learn waking dreaming, seeing, and directly view the Nagual.
That'll counteract the dark magicians. They might be able to silence inspirational quotes, but they can't silence activity.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-18 17:46
The witch you talk about sounds a lot like the one I know. And she's right. So are you saying we should be less obsessed with being and focus on doing?
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-18 18:05
No, I can't make that recommendation. Carlos set things up the way they are.
I think just let the puny men plow away, and the women can watch and pipe in when it's worth piping in.
If you're a kingdom builder man, I have no idea what you should do.
If your eyebrows are nicely trimmed, and your facial hair is always the correct length, then I guess, build away.
And please tolerate Cholita in your West Hollywood scented Candle store. She loves those. But she's kind of rude.
On the other hand, if you're the opposite, if you wear frumpy clothes and pick your nose when no one is looking, then do away.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-18 18:07
I am a woman. And I feel like I should be doing something but I can never figure out what that is. So I just do my chores in my kingdom. And indulge in being.
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-18 18:48
Go try to figure out what Cleargreen is up to! I'd really appreciate it.
Just read what they write on web pages, and in announcements.
But I'd say that the fact that you're willing to engage here, is a sign you could plow ahead if you wanted to.
La Gorda became a supreme dreamer. She also learned to be so silent, that she lost the human form.
I joke that Cholita is just a kingdom builder, but it's not actually true. That kingdom includes a mysterious backyard, which she keeps absolutely smooth by watering the sand each morning. I suggested we could build some tiny apartments on it, like Carlos had at Pandora, and she could teach dreaming.
For money. I can't take money. But Cholita can, as long as she actually has something to teach.
She said no, but sure seems to be preparing it for that. I'm probably going to import few tons of decomposed granite, to make her flat sand easier to maintain.
She spends most of the day practicing techniques she's accumulated.
I came home last night and found her in a trance, sitting on a meditation rug. She had no idea I was coming home that early, and it took her a while to be able to speak.
It's clear she's learned to "navigate", but doesn't have a clue which direction to go.
I also find her doing Howard Lee techniques once in a while. I had to warn her not to do one of them.
It's ill designed to produce a flashy result, but the flashy result is a negative one for sorcerers.
I believe she spends 2 hours a day doing physical techniques, which fortunately for me, includes some sexy dancing.
If I stumble in on the dancing she gets a malicious look, and tries to seduce me with it. If I approach with my arms open, as if to offer to go along with it, she shushes me in disdain, and walks away.
(Fortunately).
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-18 19:13
From what I've seen, all the workshops are pretty far. Like an entire continent too far.
When I stop indulging and pull myself together from time to time, things just align in a weird way and everything works out smoothly for me, but I don't think that's a big accomplishment. The most I actually managed to do was accidentally wake up in a dream and remember I have to find my hands immediately. I did, and I kept the whole dreaming scene and then decided to fly into another dream. But that was a year ago.
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u/danl999
3 points2019-11-18 19:23
Finding your hands once a year is typical.
Switching dreams is a good strategy, eventually you can extend it to hours.
But it's hard to find your hands.
Recap will increase that drastically, if you intend that at the same time.
Forcing yourself silent before sleep, while obsessing over trying to enter dreaming right then and there, will increase it another level.
While in Carlos' classes, I commonly found my hands in dreaming 4 times a night, and for hours at a time.
But it was by absolutely obsessive attempts to lie down in bed, and go directly into dreaming by using silence.
And it wasn't satisfying! I remember one time, after MONTHS of at least an hour before falling asleep, intensely focusing on silence and trying to see dreaming images, I saw some spiders walking along.
I got all excited!!! Spiders? What's the deep hidden meaning?
Nothing. I got my dreaming awake attention going. But I still had to keep that up for months more, before I started to find my hands all the time.
That's the kind of laser directed effort that I suspect men are inclined to, but women are designed more for the big picture.
So recap might be best if you want more dreaming.
Plus, if you learn to get silent, you'll still run into the Eagle's command to "take an inventory".
And you won't be able to drop it, if the topic that comes up needs recapitulating.
So the recap is probably the most powerful thing you could do. La Gorda did a lot of it.
Maybe build yourself a space in which to do it, make it nice so that you don't mind sitting in there, and give it a shot.
I'm going to ask Cholita to build a place to recapitulate, and sneak a picture of it, if she lets me. I suspect it'll be plush, and smell wonderful. It'll be more like a healing box, than a recapitulation crate.
(She actually mentioned herself, maybe she needs to resume that practice.)
Here's how it works:
Anyone who tries, will succeed.
That's what makes the nay Sayers so pathetic.
Anyone who tries finds out, Carlos wasn't making things up.
If they don't, they didn't put in enough work to even talk about.
If someone complains they tried, but nothing happened, they're exaggerating how much they tried.
When I run into those, I've learned that they're actually looking for attention, not sorcery. So complaining about failure, and needing to know something else to try, is just them seeking attention.
It's like the lonely old lady who goes to the doctor too much.
Doctors know about those. It's common.
But the very worst is someone who believes they can go off and take a class, and learn sorcery from someone else.
You can't.
And anyone giving a class is suspect. Me-too naguals are almost 100% certainly a fake.
But more power to them. I sure wouldn't want to deal with people. And even a fake can repeat inspirational quotes from Carlos' books.
So don't worry that you can't attend any classes. Just get the readable pdf of all of Carlos' books, and maybe find a copy of his tensegrity book that still has the pictures.
If you only do few tensegrity moves, maybe the simpler ones, do them in absolute darkness, and be silent.
You might be able to see, "mashing energy".
If you do, you're in like Flint.
I loved those movies:
He'd make a very good me-too nagual.
If you watch just a few minutes of that, it'll almost be as if you were in private classes, and got to meet the European apprentices.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-18 19:55
I've read all of the books, some of them multiple times. And I actually had a pdf of magical passes but to be honest, I was too lazy to try more than a couple. I think I could try finding them on youtube and do my best to not get distracted.
Is dreaming of such big importance? I never believed I'd make a good dreamer.
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-18 21:27
You actually did all right from that description you gave me.
But do what suits you. Waking dreaming is WAY better than sleeping dreaming.
You could learn waking dreaming doing work around the house, although a dark place is probably easier.
Bottom line, if you're a "kingdom builder", find a way to make practicing a routine in the kingdom.
Expand your kindom to include silence when appropriate.
Unfortunately, silence attained without some tool, like waking dreaming, can be slightly less than needed to get stuff to happen.
The tool helps you find the exact balance.
Like Cholita's dreaming fog. All I have to do is figure out how much silence burns a hole in it, and I get waking dreaming.
I wish I could convey or describe what it takes, but that's not possible.
You just learn to do it, using a tool. A tool is any feedback you can get.
And any tool has multiple uses!
Last night I realized that seeing in the dark, is also a tool. You can create an aerial view of other people's dreams, by watching the lines and folds that superimpose on surfaces, in a pitch black room.
Before I was only looking at them, puzzled why I could see in the dark.
It didn't occur to me that that's from the second attention, so I should be more patient, and examine it closely.
When I did, I saw people walking along in a sandy area, with little hills and dips.
Could have been along highway 8, headed towards Texas. A road Carlos would likely have traveled on the way to the larger Sonoran desert in Mexico.
How would you use that as a kingdom builder?
I guess if you can fit silence into a task, you can look for strange things.
Those can move the assemblage point.
Some people see lines waver, or the flat surfaces seem to bubble.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-19 07:01
On some level I understand that it's important to learn and be able to do all the things you talk about but I just realized the reason why I fail at making myself practice is that I don't have a clear goal in my mind. You said you weren't interested in a quest for freedom. What kept you motivated?
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-19 17:36
Autism?
I was thinking about your situation last night.
According to Carol Tiggs, all you need to do is be "impeccable", and your energy will rise, and you'll be a sorcerer. So perhaps the plan for women is, maintain an impeccable kingdom and the second attention will come to you by itself.
People saw that in private classes. It wasn't dramatic at the time, but your energy rises from being around Carlos and listening to him, and then you start to perceive "something else".
I guess it might be like having a Prozac pill kick in.
I've never taken any, but I have to assume it produces some subtle high.
So you could simply be "impeccable", but keep up with what others are doing by reading from here. So you pick up some intent also.
The problem I have is, can you really be "impeccable"?
I sure can't.
Carlos took us off all "stimulants" for months, which included sugar, fruit, caffeine, nasal spray (just joking), anti-depresants, or whatever people were consuming unnecessarily.
The only thing I noticed was, I sure would like a tripple mocha latte.
Right now, I've got chocolate chip pancakes on my grill, and I'm not worried I won't be able to intercept Cholita's dream tonight.
Impeccable smeckable.
Just force yourself silent. That'll do the trick.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-19 18:18
Can I be impeccable? Honestly, probably not but I did my best and now I'm a different person than I was a couple of years ago. My energy did rise. I have an entirely different perspective.
I like sugar and coffee, but I stopped drinking and chasing guys (and people in general). I have a (somewhat) strict daily routine. I'm trying.
I just never thought getting silent would be this hard. Btw, tensegrity on youtube isn't bad at all.
And thank you so much for the advice and attention!
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-19 18:34
Do the tensegrity, but try to see the colors in the darkness.
Mashing energy is amazing!!!
That claw technique is good too. But don't worry about right or left claw.
Use both! Just let them be 180 out of phase, so when the right hand goes forward, the left is going back.
So it'll be like pumping a bicycle with your hands, while it's upside down.
Here's what I saw: Both hands scooped up a rectangular purple object, around 3 inches long, and 1.5 inches wide.
Just last night I mean. It's different every time.
I was trying to scoop dark energy, so I could inflate one of the (now) flat inorganics. But there was none to scoop.
I looked carefully at the rectangular objects, to see if the left hand or the right hand was better.
There WAS a difference. But the problem was, how can you judge it?
Or even talk about it, or think about it. It was scooping up Nagual, in some weird way.
So left, right. Don't worry about it.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-19 19:24
I'll definitely try it when I get better. I need at least a few days of practice to be able to do it without the video.
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-19 19:30
For scooping energy and putting it on your body:
You don't really need to jump up to nab it! It's fun to watch though.
Carlos used to joke on the side about how fun it was to watch the stuffy men jumping about. I seem to recall Ellis even whispering into his ear, to check out a specific man who was jumping about. They both had grins.
Carlos even stepped forward, and did his own "search and jump up to grab it quickly!" imitation. His was a lot more serious looking than these in this picture, like he had total concentration to locate the puff of energy:
It was part of reducing their Tonal, which in the case of some Europeans was very "tall". (Hint: they still have a class system in Europe).
But it was obvious that Ellis and him had been talking about it earlier. And the truth is, you don't have to jump about at all.
Your hand can stretch to another world, if you can see what's there.
I'd love for you to snag an inorganic! Maybe you can get it to point out where to dust, in your kingdom.
I might even join up with a Fairy Kingdom!
My Fairy entity used to fly about and show me where to scoop. It was very effective. So effective I decided to design my own tensegrity move, based on Space Invaders, and having the Fairy show where the aliens were located. She'd fly around in a zigzag pattern, until I "cleared" the energy puffs.
I didn't realize, it's sort of hard to come by a Fairy. At the time I thought it was a cinch. But since then, still no one I'm helping has done it. One found a face, but then couldn't do it again.
So as a technique, it wouldn't be much good for beginners.
Now all I can get the inorganics to do is become a blob, so I can put them on the floor to see what happens.
Last night one just melted.
It started out as a beautiful woman's face, much larger than I'm used to. But why did it show up?
I'd scooped and mashed with my hands, and compressed, puffs of purple color I found in the darkness. When it got so bright it became "directional" (meaning it stayed where put and didn't follow my eyes or head), I looked at the burning edges.
The "big" face materialized.
(This new one likes to do that).
I guess I'll call her, "big head" from now on.
I said, "Oh, there you are! How lovely. Do I know you?"
It's ok to talk, once you know how to get silent. But then I worried, Cholita might hear me. She was only 30 feet away, behind 2 walls. She hadn't made a sound for a few hours, so I assumed she was sleeping.
Or at least, I didn't hear any book shelves being crashed over onto the floor.
Maybe that's why the inorganics are afraid of her. All the stuff crashing around late at night.
The new entity blushed and turned her head, and made a new face.
I stared at her, to make sure it wasn't one of my previous entities.
Not Carlos' allies.
Not my Fairy, not Zoltar.
Don't ask me how I knew. It just wasn't.
I scooped her into my hand, and she became a purple puff with more details than a simple cloud. Details of lines radiated from the center of the cloud, like a dandelion flower.
I blew into her, and the face sort of rippled back to formation. It also got rounder, like I'd actually blown up a balloon. I had a pathetic blue glowing balloon, only slightly inflated, with the details of a woman's face pressed into part of it.
I gently laid her on the ground, testing out if I could use her when Cholita showed up.
It melted into blue liquid on the wooden floor. It seeped into the floor within a few seconds.
The tensegrity leads to that kind of fun!
But at the time, I was actually very disappointed. The face on the floor melted!
How sad.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-19 19:46
Hm, I'm from Europe.
Those feel like unrealistic expectations at this point. Even if I could do that, I wouldn't know what to do with them. I'm amazed by the knowledge and experience in here but it also makes me realize how little I actually know.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2019-11-19 20:06
realize how little I actually know.
That's by far the best place to start from. It's those who arrogantly think they're hot stuff going in that wind up never actually getting anywhere. Meaning they don't put in the effort.
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u/missgregoryhouse
1 points2019-11-19 20:48
I'm just grateful for this place really. I don't know what else to say.
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u/danl999
2 points2019-11-18 19:08
Here's something you could try. No big deal if you don't.
Pick an activity you have to do in your kingdom daily, like cleaning, and be silent while doing it.
No words in your head! No images of what that other person said that was so unfair. Or how you're going to get the latest thing you need.
Nothing.
You won't succeed, but anytime you're doing that thing, try hard.
It'll get easier and easier. Then do it for another activity also.
Don't get fooled into thinking that if you eventually get silent, you'll see during the day.
You might, but man that's hard! I can just barely see now in sunlight, and it's not enough to impress someone who doesn't also have nighttime seeing to learn from.
(But I can verify that what one of the witches said about things crawling up from the ground, into your leg is likely true.)
What will really happen is, your dreaming will increase. By being silent for a portion of the day, you'll begin to reduce the Tonal, and that will save energy.
Energy is what you need to remember and wake up in dreams.
The more silent you get, the more you'll remember dreams.
Try to add them to your kingdom.
If you can get the same dream (almost) to occur each night, describe it for me, and I'll tell you who to capture from that dream.
I typically ignore the locals, but in fact they can provide dreaming stability beyond what you can get on your own.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2019-11-14 20:03
They think it's all imaginery, which is kind of true but not exactly- the scenario is fake but the interaction is real.
Bullet point and bold this everyone! Very succinct.
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u/danl999
5 points2019-11-14 17:49
Sounds to me like he went to an inorganic beings world and interpreted it as he wanted.
They can get really complicated if you stick around and interact with them.
However, who can say what's up when it comes to aliens or alien technology?
The universe is huge.
The sorcerers in Mexico found that out when they were wiped out by the Spanish invaders.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2019-11-14 18:01
The universe is huge.
That was my take as well. An amalgam of dreaming and astral projection. I think it's important to not limit ourselves at the onset, and to constantly push forward the limits of what we think is or is not possible or real.
And to stop making distinctions and setting boundaries.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent
1 points2019-11-24 04:43
This one has easier access to their second attention:
And...now the guy deleted the content of his post, and his account. People are so needlessly sensitive.
And I can't find a cached copy of the post...so you future readers will have to use your imagination I guess!
My trump comment was echoed by others in the source thread, and he likely became embarrassed not realizing his experience blurred the line between Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming.
" I typically project to places I'm familiar with, but on occasion, I have gone to new places, or even outside of the Earth. Ok, some of you you might not believe this, but whatever.
I live in California, and found a military base, during AP that I've never seen before in real life. I don't know if it's just an unlisted base, or I just can't find it. I tried to search for a few hours after my experience for all bases in California, but could not find this particular one. Not sure what to make of that.
Middle of a desert area. From what I could see, at least like an hour or 2 away from anything else. here's the weird thing, this base was not a typical building, or series of buildings like you'd expect. You approach this place, and the ground starts to slope downward, like a ramp, but its still just desert in front of you. Eventually, you are inside what appears to be an entrance, as if you passed right through the desert ground. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense, I'm not sure how else to describe it. It was like a dirt ramp, that appeared to lead to nothing, but if you kept going anyways, you pass through the ground, and end up in a "check-in" type area.
There were lots of guards, all wearing what appeared to be US military uniforms, and they all appeared to be of American nationality. I could turn around and look behind me, and see the desert, even though I was "inside" whatever this was. It was very brightly lit, in fact, I've never seen these types of lights before in real life, they were like a new technology or something. They were like a light blue color, and the light from them covered everything equally, like there was not just a glow around the light source, they saturated every surface with equal amount of "light". Maybe it wasn't light, but some kind of energy.
I could see what I assumed was a large metal door in front of me, with a small circular pattern/grating on the ground in front of the door. I saw a soldier walk up ,step onto the grating, and then it started to move forward with him standing on it, and he went right through the metal door! It was like the door was made of water or something, but it was not visually disturbed, he just melted right through it, I assume to the other side. I decided to try to go through the wall myself, but not to step on the circular thing.
I stepped through the wall, and had one leg on either side of it, when I felt a HUGE jolt through my entire astral body! It was like I was hit with a stun gun or something, everywhere all at once. I pulled myself through to the other side, and there was an alarm going off! I was now in a corridor with lots of boxes, equipment, some monitors and I could see communication stuff like radios and phones. All of a sudden someone appeared at the end of the hallway, and shouted "HE'S DOWN HERE!", while looking directly at me and pointing excitedly. I was pretty much just standing there the whole time, not sure what was happening, kind of in shock. I didn't know if this guy could really see me, or was he another Astral being? I decided not to move or say anything, and then someone grabbed me from behind very roughly, while the guy at the end of the hall was still standing there (this guy looked like a normal dude, plain clothes, no ID badge or anything like that. The guy that grabbed me was bigger than me, and was angry as hell.
He yelled at me, asking "what the fuck are yo doing in here?", "how did you find this place?". I asked him how he was able to see/touch me, and was he a real person, and he put his knee in my back and forced me down on the ground. My mind thought to fight back, but I didn't know what this was, or what he could do to me. I told him that I was Astral Projecting, and that I found this place by accident. I was pleading with him not to do anything to me, and that I would just leave and not say anything. He told me they are not only aware of AP'ing, but they employ people that can do it for their own purposes. He said that technology to disrupt/intercept AP'ing was developed after the phenomena was proven to be real. He said most civilized nations have programs involving it, and also have defenses/weapons against it. I told him about being shocked, and he said the facility had countermeasures against AP'ers entering it, and that it has happened multiple times.
He spoke to someone via radio, and then showed me a device that he was wearing on his wrist. He said the device allows a person in the physical plane, to see, and interact with someone in the astral plane. He said they also have astral "jails" for people that they capture that are trying to spy for foreign nations, or blackmail people of power. He said that if you are caught in your astral form, and placed into one of these containment chambers, you will NOT be able to get out, nor will you be able to return to your body, until/if they release you. He did not discuss the technology in detail, he just said he knows that it works, but not how it works. he mentioned that The President has even been trained to AP, and so are other world leaders, and they sometimes hold meetings in the astral plane.
After about 45 minutes, he told me he was cleared to release me, I guess after checking to see who I was in real life. He told me that he would take me outside the building, and I'd be free to go, but that if I tried to return, on purpose or by accident, "the consequences would be more severe next time." He told someone behind a glass window he would be right back, then led me out a door to the East of where I entered the building. Once we got outside, he let go of my arm, did something on his wrist device, and told me to leave, and that they had my "energy signature", so they'd know if I ever got withing a mile of the place again. I didn't ask anymore questions, and I jumped from a standstill, and was flying. It usually takes me a few jumps to fly, so this was also a surprise. Maybe he gave me some kind of boost or something, idk. I got back to my body, and where he held my arm behind me, and put his knee into my back were both sore.
How is this possible? To not only be apprehended, but PHYSICALLY hurt while AP'ing? Everyone says it's not possible, yet this happened to me. Can you die while outside your body? Is the pain not real, but just in my mind? I definitely felt the shock when I stepped through the wall. It was like what I'd imagine being in an electric chair feels like, but only lasted for a second or 2. Has anyone else gone into a base or encountered someone that could see and touch them? Should I be concerned about this spilling over into the real world? What if I'm not marked, or on some list or something..I've been stressed ever since, and paranoid as well. I even called off work the next day because I had to process what happened. I honestly am afraid to AP now, like ever again. I feel like they will be watching me now, and what if I accidentally get close to that place again, or find another place that's even worse. Imagine a foreign country's version of this...my God. What if I'd been in like Afghanistan or something, I'd probably be held captive in my Astral Form until my body died or something horrible. It never even occurred to me that if normal civilians can do this, so can anyone else, including people that work for the government. It seems they have an entire program/division dedicated to this."
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This is one of the top trending posts on the r/AstralProjection sub for the past few months. You should likely take it with a grain of salt, but I find it opens up some interesting horizons and may lead some credence to those on the fence. Or it may be an extremely detailed dream that manifested physical aftereffects for this individual.
We've hinted here and there that technology may eventually be able to make practice more reliable and accessible, and since the government is usually decades ahead in technological breakthroughs than the general populace...
I think it's more likely that he projected to a different reality or an alternate timeline; one with more advanced tech.
Really I don't quite know what to make of it, and that's usually a good clue that there's likely some truth to it. Either that, or they're a budding Sci-Fi author (cynisicm isn't my forte).
Edit: but I don't believe for a nanosecond that Trump is trained in A.P.!
I'm not allowed to give more details, but I have a witch or two who's manifested physical injury as a result of playing with demons.
Corresponding with me I mean.
I can't explain their injuries.
But my prejudice is to think they already had that injury, but it wasn't painful yet.
I have bumps all over my ankles and feet, from running into stuff in the dark.
Especially with Cholita around. If she finds something of mine outside my bedroom, she throws it out.
So my room is packed with things in awkward locations, and in darkness it's impossible not to stub a toe once in a while.
It can take a day or two before you even realize you had a bruising type injury, and the realization can manifest itself for the first time in dreaming.
So you might end up making a false connection.
But that's good! The more you believe what you did was real, the more likely you'll try it again.
It's the trying that matters, not the experiences.
Nice dream, intense.
The folks in the lucid dreaming subreddit take everything that happens as subconscious and imaginery.
Those in astral projection take everything as if it happened 100% real.
Probably it's somewhere in between.
This is overly ambitious of me, but I'm always looking for a way to fully protect what Carlos was teaching. Even if that means implanting it elsewhere under a different theory.
One day I'd like to see several skilled sorcerers give that an active try. Actually go stalking, to influence other techniques.
I'd sure like to influence the lucid dreaming folks. They have "respectability".
But how? I tried emailing lucid dreaming researchers, but the instant they hear "Carlos Castaneda", they're gone.
It's a pity.
On the other hand, if one took me seriously and realized it's possible to do lucid waking dreaming, where would they get test subjects?
They'd have to raise them up from scratch.
The dreaming folks need to know about and verify tha presence and interaction with inorganics . They think it's all imaginery, which is kind of true but not exactly- the scenario is fake but the interaction is real. I remembered to look for one and at same time the whole dream glitched - i felt attacked (as if by electrical jolts) but there was nothing in front of me, yet it was almost physical sensation, very intense "touching"
The subreddits that use psychedelics know them as machine elfs.
One guyin AP reddit met a dream charachter that said :He loves hugging and paper cuts..
Maybe I'll try to throw the idea at some point.
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Man, they're so close!
It's like a friend of mine, who often saw the room with his eyes closed, during meditation.
He spent decades on meditation, even became a teacher, but never got anywhere.
No one told him, "Shit!!!! You saw the room with your eyes closed??? How come that doesn't get you excited? Do that more!!"
Instead, he got the hand-me-down "Oh yes, this happens. Just ignore it and keep repeating the mantra."
Those guys just need a little hint in which direction to go.
I actually tested this out on a witch, who saw a Cobra demon.
I insisted she could change it in to something else, because it wasn't really a demon.
That went against her training, but after trying to interact with it more, she realized it's behavior could in fact be modified by her thinking about it differently.
(Didn't go any good. Women are looking for a kingdom, not secret powers.)
Can you please elaborate on the last sentence?
I consult with witches who want more power, or are having trouble with spirits.
I was puzzled about Cholita, and Cleargreen, so I asked one about it.
At the time I was still covered in the women's lib blinders, which say men and women are the same. It was hard for me not to be brainwashed. In high school, I was surrounded by angry women's libbers (in the 70s), in micro miniskirts, "hot pants", and blouses with an open back, a big bow you could obviously tug on, making the whole enchilada fall off.
It was very subtle back then...
It was hard not to take what they said to heart, even if it didn't make much sense. Mostly they got angry over "Fly me to San Francisco", or other sexy advertisements that made them seem to be "sex objects".
In hot pants...
It wasn't until I reached 50 that I realized, nearly every woman over 40 would kill to be a "sex object" again. Especially the women's libbers from the 70s.
I got an excellent definition of the differences between men and women from a witch, and it lines up with both Cholita, and Cleargreen. And frankly, reality.
It's just a placebo for the mind, possibly from "the fliers", to make the argument about men and women be over what job you can have, or who does the housework.
It's all nonsense. It's beside the point. A distraction. More crumbs on the path of "happiness", which actually leads the opposite direction.
It's more nitpicking inside the Tonal.
The witch explained to me that men need to be slaves. They'll join a big organization and do it's bidding, they'll marry a beautiful woman and follow her orders about how their lives should be, they'll become religious fanatics and walk around in robes, because someone else said they should do that.
Or they'll join a "quest for freedom". Become stuffy, obsessed, "impeccable warriors".
It's all about what they do, and doing stuff. And maybe a little about what other people think about them. They still want the approval from boss mommy.
With women, it's all about how you live. Not what you do. That gives them an advantage over men, because they can see the bigger picture.
Men have been enslaved by women on this planet, and from what I've seen of the inorganic beings (who are almost always female according to don Juan), female energy just does that. It dazzles male energy, in order to keep it around and utilize it.
Carlos was plagued with the inorganics trying to kidnap him and bring him to their world.
I've even been brought, although I consider it a lot of fun, and not threatening.
Men are slaves. But they're still brutes. Being a slave to females doesn't mean they won't act badly. Punch stuff, break stuff, shout loudly.
They put on the gorilla display. But the female gorilla is actually the ruler of the tribe. The men aren't their worry. Competition from more desirable females is what they have to look out for.
Women aren't like men according to this witch.
They're kingdom builders.
If their kingdom is destroyed, they rebuild it from whatever is available.
(Isn't this obvious from biology?)
Cholita has rebuilt my entire house, except for my room. She threw away all of my belongings, and bought around $50K of stuff, to make her kingdom the way she wants. Daily she expands it, until now it even fills the garage and back yard. She's working on the front yard, but there's conflict with neighbors.
Yesterday, the old woman next door left Cholita a big bag of persimmons, and 2 gift plants.
Cholita's been eyeing her fruit in her background, and complaining about how much is going to waste. I suspect it came to "words", and thus the peace offerings politely set next to the entrance to the backyard.
Apparently Cholita's kingdom doesn't include a party sized couch in the living room. I had to haul it away yesterday, so Cholita could sit in meditation in an empty room.
The Chinese bosses' son helped, and kept warning me not to touch the Klenix tissues stuck between the cushions.
Good advice. There were a lot of hot women on that couch.
I can't interest Cholita in shared dreaming. But, if the kingdom is the way she likes, she'll ask about shared dreaming from time to time.
And I can use her energy as long as it's just energy she disperses naturally.
Women radiate energy.
Women: forget about "energy vampires".
If you ran into someone that advanced, you should consider an apprenticeship.
Men "vampire" women's energy mostly because they cause their internal dialogue to go nuts, trying to figure out how to dazzle and capture that man.
Carlos set Cleargreen up to be dominated by women. As far as I know, any men who stuck around were so dominated that we have no one with more than a beginner's understanding of Carlos techniques.
Inspirational quotes is all they can offer.
From time to time it was obvious one or another of the women had found a new man to join them, but they also never rose to any level of knowledge. They seemed to be "boy toys".
Or if any men did, they're too selfish to share with others, in order to restore Carlos' reputation.
This isn't about being secretive anymore. Or politically correct.
Carlos' very reputation is at stake, which means the dark magicians are near to wiping out all of his work.
I believe we've turned the tide in here, but that remains to be seen.
You guys need to learn waking dreaming, seeing, and directly view the Nagual.
That'll counteract the dark magicians. They might be able to silence inspirational quotes, but they can't silence activity.
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The witch you talk about sounds a lot like the one I know. And she's right. So are you saying we should be less obsessed with being and focus on doing?
No, I can't make that recommendation. Carlos set things up the way they are.
I think just let the puny men plow away, and the women can watch and pipe in when it's worth piping in.
If you're a kingdom builder man, I have no idea what you should do.
If your eyebrows are nicely trimmed, and your facial hair is always the correct length, then I guess, build away.
And please tolerate Cholita in your West Hollywood scented Candle store. She loves those. But she's kind of rude.
On the other hand, if you're the opposite, if you wear frumpy clothes and pick your nose when no one is looking, then do away.
I am a woman. And I feel like I should be doing something but I can never figure out what that is. So I just do my chores in my kingdom. And indulge in being.
Go try to figure out what Cleargreen is up to! I'd really appreciate it.
Just read what they write on web pages, and in announcements.
But I'd say that the fact that you're willing to engage here, is a sign you could plow ahead if you wanted to.
La Gorda became a supreme dreamer. She also learned to be so silent, that she lost the human form.
I joke that Cholita is just a kingdom builder, but it's not actually true. That kingdom includes a mysterious backyard, which she keeps absolutely smooth by watering the sand each morning. I suggested we could build some tiny apartments on it, like Carlos had at Pandora, and she could teach dreaming.
For money. I can't take money. But Cholita can, as long as she actually has something to teach.
She said no, but sure seems to be preparing it for that. I'm probably going to import few tons of decomposed granite, to make her flat sand easier to maintain.
She spends most of the day practicing techniques she's accumulated.
I came home last night and found her in a trance, sitting on a meditation rug. She had no idea I was coming home that early, and it took her a while to be able to speak.
It's clear she's learned to "navigate", but doesn't have a clue which direction to go.
I also find her doing Howard Lee techniques once in a while. I had to warn her not to do one of them.
It's ill designed to produce a flashy result, but the flashy result is a negative one for sorcerers.
I believe she spends 2 hours a day doing physical techniques, which fortunately for me, includes some sexy dancing.
If I stumble in on the dancing she gets a malicious look, and tries to seduce me with it. If I approach with my arms open, as if to offer to go along with it, she shushes me in disdain, and walks away.
(Fortunately).
From what I've seen, all the workshops are pretty far. Like an entire continent too far.
When I stop indulging and pull myself together from time to time, things just align in a weird way and everything works out smoothly for me, but I don't think that's a big accomplishment. The most I actually managed to do was accidentally wake up in a dream and remember I have to find my hands immediately. I did, and I kept the whole dreaming scene and then decided to fly into another dream. But that was a year ago.
Finding your hands once a year is typical.
Switching dreams is a good strategy, eventually you can extend it to hours.
But it's hard to find your hands.
Recap will increase that drastically, if you intend that at the same time.
Forcing yourself silent before sleep, while obsessing over trying to enter dreaming right then and there, will increase it another level.
While in Carlos' classes, I commonly found my hands in dreaming 4 times a night, and for hours at a time.
But it was by absolutely obsessive attempts to lie down in bed, and go directly into dreaming by using silence.
And it wasn't satisfying! I remember one time, after MONTHS of at least an hour before falling asleep, intensely focusing on silence and trying to see dreaming images, I saw some spiders walking along.
I got all excited!!! Spiders? What's the deep hidden meaning?
Nothing. I got my dreaming awake attention going. But I still had to keep that up for months more, before I started to find my hands all the time.
That's the kind of laser directed effort that I suspect men are inclined to, but women are designed more for the big picture.
So recap might be best if you want more dreaming.
Plus, if you learn to get silent, you'll still run into the Eagle's command to "take an inventory".
And you won't be able to drop it, if the topic that comes up needs recapitulating.
So the recap is probably the most powerful thing you could do. La Gorda did a lot of it.
Maybe build yourself a space in which to do it, make it nice so that you don't mind sitting in there, and give it a shot.
I'm going to ask Cholita to build a place to recapitulate, and sneak a picture of it, if she lets me. I suspect it'll be plush, and smell wonderful. It'll be more like a healing box, than a recapitulation crate.
(She actually mentioned herself, maybe she needs to resume that practice.)
Here's how it works:
Anyone who tries, will succeed.
That's what makes the nay Sayers so pathetic.
Anyone who tries finds out, Carlos wasn't making things up.
If they don't, they didn't put in enough work to even talk about.
If someone complains they tried, but nothing happened, they're exaggerating how much they tried.
When I run into those, I've learned that they're actually looking for attention, not sorcery. So complaining about failure, and needing to know something else to try, is just them seeking attention.
It's like the lonely old lady who goes to the doctor too much.
Doctors know about those. It's common.
But the very worst is someone who believes they can go off and take a class, and learn sorcery from someone else.
You can't.
And anyone giving a class is suspect. Me-too naguals are almost 100% certainly a fake.
But more power to them. I sure wouldn't want to deal with people. And even a fake can repeat inspirational quotes from Carlos' books.
So don't worry that you can't attend any classes. Just get the readable pdf of all of Carlos' books, and maybe find a copy of his tensegrity book that still has the pictures.
If you only do few tensegrity moves, maybe the simpler ones, do them in absolute darkness, and be silent.
You might be able to see, "mashing energy".
If you do, you're in like Flint.
I loved those movies:
He'd make a very good me-too nagual.
If you watch just a few minutes of that, it'll almost be as if you were in private classes, and got to meet the European apprentices.
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I've read all of the books, some of them multiple times. And I actually had a pdf of magical passes but to be honest, I was too lazy to try more than a couple. I think I could try finding them on youtube and do my best to not get distracted.
Is dreaming of such big importance? I never believed I'd make a good dreamer.
You actually did all right from that description you gave me.
But do what suits you. Waking dreaming is WAY better than sleeping dreaming.
You could learn waking dreaming doing work around the house, although a dark place is probably easier.
Bottom line, if you're a "kingdom builder", find a way to make practicing a routine in the kingdom.
Expand your kindom to include silence when appropriate.
Unfortunately, silence attained without some tool, like waking dreaming, can be slightly less than needed to get stuff to happen.
The tool helps you find the exact balance.
Like Cholita's dreaming fog. All I have to do is figure out how much silence burns a hole in it, and I get waking dreaming.
I wish I could convey or describe what it takes, but that's not possible.
You just learn to do it, using a tool. A tool is any feedback you can get.
And any tool has multiple uses!
Last night I realized that seeing in the dark, is also a tool. You can create an aerial view of other people's dreams, by watching the lines and folds that superimpose on surfaces, in a pitch black room.
Before I was only looking at them, puzzled why I could see in the dark.
It didn't occur to me that that's from the second attention, so I should be more patient, and examine it closely.
When I did, I saw people walking along in a sandy area, with little hills and dips.
Could have been along highway 8, headed towards Texas. A road Carlos would likely have traveled on the way to the larger Sonoran desert in Mexico.
How would you use that as a kingdom builder?
I guess if you can fit silence into a task, you can look for strange things.
Those can move the assemblage point.
Some people see lines waver, or the flat surfaces seem to bubble.
On some level I understand that it's important to learn and be able to do all the things you talk about but I just realized the reason why I fail at making myself practice is that I don't have a clear goal in my mind. You said you weren't interested in a quest for freedom. What kept you motivated?
Autism?
I was thinking about your situation last night.
According to Carol Tiggs, all you need to do is be "impeccable", and your energy will rise, and you'll be a sorcerer. So perhaps the plan for women is, maintain an impeccable kingdom and the second attention will come to you by itself.
People saw that in private classes. It wasn't dramatic at the time, but your energy rises from being around Carlos and listening to him, and then you start to perceive "something else".
I guess it might be like having a Prozac pill kick in.
I've never taken any, but I have to assume it produces some subtle high.
So you could simply be "impeccable", but keep up with what others are doing by reading from here. So you pick up some intent also.
The problem I have is, can you really be "impeccable"?
I sure can't.
Carlos took us off all "stimulants" for months, which included sugar, fruit, caffeine, nasal spray (just joking), anti-depresants, or whatever people were consuming unnecessarily.
The only thing I noticed was, I sure would like a tripple mocha latte.
Right now, I've got chocolate chip pancakes on my grill, and I'm not worried I won't be able to intercept Cholita's dream tonight.
Impeccable smeckable.
Just force yourself silent. That'll do the trick.
Can I be impeccable? Honestly, probably not but I did my best and now I'm a different person than I was a couple of years ago. My energy did rise. I have an entirely different perspective.
I like sugar and coffee, but I stopped drinking and chasing guys (and people in general). I have a (somewhat) strict daily routine. I'm trying.
I just never thought getting silent would be this hard. Btw, tensegrity on youtube isn't bad at all.
And thank you so much for the advice and attention!
Do the tensegrity, but try to see the colors in the darkness.
Mashing energy is amazing!!!
That claw technique is good too. But don't worry about right or left claw.
Use both! Just let them be 180 out of phase, so when the right hand goes forward, the left is going back.
So it'll be like pumping a bicycle with your hands, while it's upside down.
Here's what I saw: Both hands scooped up a rectangular purple object, around 3 inches long, and 1.5 inches wide.
Just last night I mean. It's different every time.
I was trying to scoop dark energy, so I could inflate one of the (now) flat inorganics. But there was none to scoop.
I looked carefully at the rectangular objects, to see if the left hand or the right hand was better.
There WAS a difference. But the problem was, how can you judge it?
Or even talk about it, or think about it. It was scooping up Nagual, in some weird way.
So left, right. Don't worry about it.
I'll definitely try it when I get better. I need at least a few days of practice to be able to do it without the video.
For scooping energy and putting it on your body:
You don't really need to jump up to nab it! It's fun to watch though.
Carlos used to joke on the side about how fun it was to watch the stuffy men jumping about. I seem to recall Ellis even whispering into his ear, to check out a specific man who was jumping about. They both had grins.
Carlos even stepped forward, and did his own "search and jump up to grab it quickly!" imitation. His was a lot more serious looking than these in this picture, like he had total concentration to locate the puff of energy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/cqwua5/whats_all_this_nonsense_about_scooping_colors_in/
He didn't mean to confide in Ellis in a bad way.
It was part of reducing their Tonal, which in the case of some Europeans was very "tall". (Hint: they still have a class system in Europe).
But it was obvious that Ellis and him had been talking about it earlier. And the truth is, you don't have to jump about at all.
Your hand can stretch to another world, if you can see what's there.
I'd love for you to snag an inorganic! Maybe you can get it to point out where to dust, in your kingdom.
I might even join up with a Fairy Kingdom!
My Fairy entity used to fly about and show me where to scoop. It was very effective. So effective I decided to design my own tensegrity move, based on Space Invaders, and having the Fairy show where the aliens were located. She'd fly around in a zigzag pattern, until I "cleared" the energy puffs.
I didn't realize, it's sort of hard to come by a Fairy. At the time I thought it was a cinch. But since then, still no one I'm helping has done it. One found a face, but then couldn't do it again.
So as a technique, it wouldn't be much good for beginners.
Now all I can get the inorganics to do is become a blob, so I can put them on the floor to see what happens.
Last night one just melted.
It started out as a beautiful woman's face, much larger than I'm used to. But why did it show up?
I'd scooped and mashed with my hands, and compressed, puffs of purple color I found in the darkness. When it got so bright it became "directional" (meaning it stayed where put and didn't follow my eyes or head), I looked at the burning edges.
The "big" face materialized.
(This new one likes to do that).
I guess I'll call her, "big head" from now on.
I said, "Oh, there you are! How lovely. Do I know you?"
It's ok to talk, once you know how to get silent. But then I worried, Cholita might hear me. She was only 30 feet away, behind 2 walls. She hadn't made a sound for a few hours, so I assumed she was sleeping.
Or at least, I didn't hear any book shelves being crashed over onto the floor.
Maybe that's why the inorganics are afraid of her. All the stuff crashing around late at night.
The new entity blushed and turned her head, and made a new face.
I stared at her, to make sure it wasn't one of my previous entities.
Not Carlos' allies.
Not my Fairy, not Zoltar.
Don't ask me how I knew. It just wasn't.
I scooped her into my hand, and she became a purple puff with more details than a simple cloud. Details of lines radiated from the center of the cloud, like a dandelion flower.
I blew into her, and the face sort of rippled back to formation. It also got rounder, like I'd actually blown up a balloon. I had a pathetic blue glowing balloon, only slightly inflated, with the details of a woman's face pressed into part of it.
I gently laid her on the ground, testing out if I could use her when Cholita showed up.
It melted into blue liquid on the wooden floor. It seeped into the floor within a few seconds.
The tensegrity leads to that kind of fun!
But at the time, I was actually very disappointed. The face on the floor melted!
How sad.
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Hm, I'm from Europe.
Those feel like unrealistic expectations at this point. Even if I could do that, I wouldn't know what to do with them. I'm amazed by the knowledge and experience in here but it also makes me realize how little I actually know.
That's by far the best place to start from. It's those who arrogantly think they're hot stuff going in that wind up never actually getting anywhere. Meaning they don't put in the effort.
I'm just grateful for this place really. I don't know what else to say.
Here's something you could try. No big deal if you don't.
Pick an activity you have to do in your kingdom daily, like cleaning, and be silent while doing it.
No words in your head! No images of what that other person said that was so unfair. Or how you're going to get the latest thing you need.
Nothing.
You won't succeed, but anytime you're doing that thing, try hard.
It'll get easier and easier. Then do it for another activity also.
Don't get fooled into thinking that if you eventually get silent, you'll see during the day.
You might, but man that's hard! I can just barely see now in sunlight, and it's not enough to impress someone who doesn't also have nighttime seeing to learn from.
(But I can verify that what one of the witches said about things crawling up from the ground, into your leg is likely true.)
What will really happen is, your dreaming will increase. By being silent for a portion of the day, you'll begin to reduce the Tonal, and that will save energy.
Energy is what you need to remember and wake up in dreams.
The more silent you get, the more you'll remember dreams.
Try to add them to your kingdom.
If you can get the same dream (almost) to occur each night, describe it for me, and I'll tell you who to capture from that dream.
I typically ignore the locals, but in fact they can provide dreaming stability beyond what you can get on your own.
Bullet point and bold this everyone! Very succinct.
Sounds to me like he went to an inorganic beings world and interpreted it as he wanted.
They can get really complicated if you stick around and interact with them.
However, who can say what's up when it comes to aliens or alien technology?
The universe is huge.
The sorcerers in Mexico found that out when they were wiped out by the Spanish invaders.
That was my take as well. An amalgam of dreaming and astral projection. I think it's important to not limit ourselves at the onset, and to constantly push forward the limits of what we think is or is not possible or real.
And to stop making distinctions and setting boundaries.
This one has easier access to their second attention:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/e0dmbj/i_astral_projected_on_accident_then_i_met_some/
And...now the guy deleted the content of his post, and his account. People are so needlessly sensitive.
And I can't find a cached copy of the post...so you future readers will have to use your imagination I guess!
My trump comment was echoed by others in the source thread, and he likely became embarrassed not realizing his experience blurred the line between Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming.
Here's a preserved version of the OP post:
https://www.removeddit.com/r/AstralProjection/comments/dvxfad/i_was_physically_injured_after_being_hurt_in_the/
" I typically project to places I'm familiar with, but on occasion, I have gone to new places, or even outside of the Earth. Ok, some of you you might not believe this, but whatever.
I live in California, and found a military base, during AP that I've never seen before in real life. I don't know if it's just an unlisted base, or I just can't find it. I tried to search for a few hours after my experience for all bases in California, but could not find this particular one. Not sure what to make of that.
Middle of a desert area. From what I could see, at least like an hour or 2 away from anything else. here's the weird thing, this base was not a typical building, or series of buildings like you'd expect. You approach this place, and the ground starts to slope downward, like a ramp, but its still just desert in front of you. Eventually, you are inside what appears to be an entrance, as if you passed right through the desert ground. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense, I'm not sure how else to describe it. It was like a dirt ramp, that appeared to lead to nothing, but if you kept going anyways, you pass through the ground, and end up in a "check-in" type area.
There were lots of guards, all wearing what appeared to be US military uniforms, and they all appeared to be of American nationality. I could turn around and look behind me, and see the desert, even though I was "inside" whatever this was. It was very brightly lit, in fact, I've never seen these types of lights before in real life, they were like a new technology or something. They were like a light blue color, and the light from them covered everything equally, like there was not just a glow around the light source, they saturated every surface with equal amount of "light". Maybe it wasn't light, but some kind of energy.
I could see what I assumed was a large metal door in front of me, with a small circular pattern/grating on the ground in front of the door. I saw a soldier walk up ,step onto the grating, and then it started to move forward with him standing on it, and he went right through the metal door! It was like the door was made of water or something, but it was not visually disturbed, he just melted right through it, I assume to the other side. I decided to try to go through the wall myself, but not to step on the circular thing.
I stepped through the wall, and had one leg on either side of it, when I felt a HUGE jolt through my entire astral body! It was like I was hit with a stun gun or something, everywhere all at once. I pulled myself through to the other side, and there was an alarm going off! I was now in a corridor with lots of boxes, equipment, some monitors and I could see communication stuff like radios and phones. All of a sudden someone appeared at the end of the hallway, and shouted "HE'S DOWN HERE!", while looking directly at me and pointing excitedly. I was pretty much just standing there the whole time, not sure what was happening, kind of in shock. I didn't know if this guy could really see me, or was he another Astral being? I decided not to move or say anything, and then someone grabbed me from behind very roughly, while the guy at the end of the hall was still standing there (this guy looked like a normal dude, plain clothes, no ID badge or anything like that. The guy that grabbed me was bigger than me, and was angry as hell.
He yelled at me, asking "what the fuck are yo doing in here?", "how did you find this place?". I asked him how he was able to see/touch me, and was he a real person, and he put his knee in my back and forced me down on the ground. My mind thought to fight back, but I didn't know what this was, or what he could do to me. I told him that I was Astral Projecting, and that I found this place by accident. I was pleading with him not to do anything to me, and that I would just leave and not say anything. He told me they are not only aware of AP'ing, but they employ people that can do it for their own purposes. He said that technology to disrupt/intercept AP'ing was developed after the phenomena was proven to be real. He said most civilized nations have programs involving it, and also have defenses/weapons against it. I told him about being shocked, and he said the facility had countermeasures against AP'ers entering it, and that it has happened multiple times.
He spoke to someone via radio, and then showed me a device that he was wearing on his wrist. He said the device allows a person in the physical plane, to see, and interact with someone in the astral plane. He said they also have astral "jails" for people that they capture that are trying to spy for foreign nations, or blackmail people of power. He said that if you are caught in your astral form, and placed into one of these containment chambers, you will NOT be able to get out, nor will you be able to return to your body, until/if they release you. He did not discuss the technology in detail, he just said he knows that it works, but not how it works. he mentioned that The President has even been trained to AP, and so are other world leaders, and they sometimes hold meetings in the astral plane.
After about 45 minutes, he told me he was cleared to release me, I guess after checking to see who I was in real life. He told me that he would take me outside the building, and I'd be free to go, but that if I tried to return, on purpose or by accident, "the consequences would be more severe next time." He told someone behind a glass window he would be right back, then led me out a door to the East of where I entered the building. Once we got outside, he let go of my arm, did something on his wrist device, and told me to leave, and that they had my "energy signature", so they'd know if I ever got withing a mile of the place again. I didn't ask anymore questions, and I jumped from a standstill, and was flying. It usually takes me a few jumps to fly, so this was also a surprise. Maybe he gave me some kind of boost or something, idk. I got back to my body, and where he held my arm behind me, and put his knee into my back were both sore.
How is this possible? To not only be apprehended, but PHYSICALLY hurt while AP'ing? Everyone says it's not possible, yet this happened to me. Can you die while outside your body? Is the pain not real, but just in my mind? I definitely felt the shock when I stepped through the wall. It was like what I'd imagine being in an electric chair feels like, but only lasted for a second or 2. Has anyone else gone into a base or encountered someone that could see and touch them? Should I be concerned about this spilling over into the real world? What if I'm not marked, or on some list or something..I've been stressed ever since, and paranoid as well. I even called off work the next day because I had to process what happened. I honestly am afraid to AP now, like ever again. I feel like they will be watching me now, and what if I accidentally get close to that place again, or find another place that's even worse. Imagine a foreign country's version of this...my God. What if I'd been in like Afghanistan or something, I'd probably be held captive in my Astral Form until my body died or something horrible. It never even occurred to me that if normal civilians can do this, so can anyone else, including people that work for the government. It seems they have an entire program/division dedicated to this."