It can get pretty freaky, practicing real sorcery.
If you gaze at darkness, these are some things you might see which have been verified by multiple people.
Newbies: Absolute darkness. Remove all traces of that internal dialogue. While removing it, look for the images that drive it. Pictures in the mind. Remove those too.
Two minutes of perfect internal silence, and these "puff" colors can become visible.
But if not, keep it up. Silence doesn't do it. It only makes it possible.
The "assemblage point" has to drift. So you need to find ANYTHING at all. Things that should not be there.
Stare at those in silence. Soon you'll find the puffs.
Please forgive my image editing. The purple color is off, and the IOB face should be diffuse around the edges.
Also, the Yin/Yang whorl should be more intense, with a bright edge around it. Perhaps light blue.
And I should have "mirrored" it. It spends clockwise for me, not counter like that pic shows. The jet black eats up the purple.
It's the bright edge that can spin off text you can read. Any sort of overly bright stuff in darkness "twinkles", and can imitate the "shine" of the eyes.
It can summon intent. That's how the text forms.
Does it always fly off at an angle like that?
Always has for me, but I suspect Carlos could even tap into entire pages of text to read to us.
When he was "reading off the wall", he was facing southeast, gazing slightly above the horizon.
That wasn't aligned to the room, so he did that on purpose. It looked like he was gazing just over the top of the heads of the people in class, standing in front of him.
The purple puff is too close to violet. Mine are closer to purple.
And they tend to waft a bit, leaving a nicer tail as they float around. They can even "smear".
And later, you can smear them across the room, leaving an intense visible purple streak in space!
Darned if it doesn't stay there, a lot longer than you'd expect.
For me, they flow from the upper right, to the lower left.
The Taiwanese Bosses son comes close to seeing the yin/yang, except he's still stuck with his eyes closed.
Gotta open them!
You want to be a wimp?
No one cares what you see with your eyes closed!
The flow from upper right to lower left is the same path Carlos used to "introduce" us to his allies, and the same path the Moth took over the campfire, when don Juan pointed out it wasn't a moth, or it's wings would get burned. It flew over the campfire several times.
If you sit up on pillows in darkness, forcing deeper and deeper silence, you're likely to notice that swoop.
It's a soundless swoop of something dead black. Like a huge moth, flying in your room, with no sound.
You only feel the "wake" like a black ripple in space.
If you look for that, you might find it.
So watch out! Normally we ignore them in every way.
Often it's accompanied by a gentle tap on the left shoulder blade, knocking you forward a bit.
It happens on the way to stopping the world.
I guess an inorganic being (IOB) decides to give you a boost, and push on your assemblage point for you.
I've never seen that help stop the world, but you can feel a tingle.
So it's clear the IOB moved the assemblage point.
Probably the selfish bastard moved it to make you more able to perceive her.
But so what? It's too cool!
Yes, it's a her.
They're nearly all female, as is most life in the universe.
Most on earth too, but you need to study biology to realize that. Most creatures have no males.
It's mostly the bigger ones that are obsessed with DNA swapping.
I guess there's not much use for males, except to keep then as sex prisoners.
And that's their goal. Minus the sex, unless you want that sort of thing.
But they like women too.
Just ask Cholita.
She's wondering what that leprechaun is, in her latest writings. She draws elaborate pictures for me, with writing to explain the diagrams.
There's one from when she returned from scouting a day or two ago.
I'd post it, but she'd cut my balls off and fry them.
Or so she promised.
It's not a leprechaun, but that's a good idea. I never thought of that.
It's Minx, of course!
She brought her back from her last scouting trip.
If you want to find an IOB of your own, look for any features on a puff of color which remind you of a face.
They can be as poor as the one illustrated.
Most puffs won't have any such details, tending to be smooth in the middle.
But if you want to find one, and you have puff after puff floating past you, you'll eventually find one.
You'll feel stupid for thinking, "That could be a face!".
But then 10 seconds later another will go by, with a face as horrifying as the one shown above.
Intent often has a small delay. Just enough time to confuse you about cause and effect.
You'll get goosebumps the first time, as your assemblage point jumps a little too fast.
IOBs like to scare.
If you see that face, tell it in words, "Don't be like that! Be pretty!"
It will likely oblige on the next puff. Even smile!
If you can get the puff to stop flowing, it'll start to animate, right in place.
It only changes appearance when you see the last one. With our reaction rate around 1/2 second to "recognize" something, it'll animate slowly.
Like an old-fashioned web cam.
However, watching that will pull your assemblage point, and if you are pulled into sleep it can animate as fast as any dream. But you'll be submersed into the dream at that point, not just watching the darkness.
You "scoop" puffs of that purple, using moves similar to "Unbending Intent, Long Form".
People gaze up and around the room looking for something, then leap up and pull it down with their hand. Here's a link:
If you're a nerd, it seems that YouTube moves to the previous key frame. So the timestamps aren't that accurate. Wait a few seconds, to see the scooping motion.
And there's no need to crush it like that. Elsewhere they're nicer about it.
Crushing them is used to manifest objects. Hopefully I'll record that technique for you soon.
Place the scooped puff on your kidney or liver.
If you can't still see it there, you need more silence.
Over time (many weeks), you can build up your energy body to make it visible, by storing up the "redeployed energy".
It'll migrate to visible as a purple glow, to yellow, to fibers, to darn tentacles waving around the room.
Yea. It really does that! But be patient.
You have to put as much time into this, as you would a perfect golf swing.
Or juggling.
Or playing the mandolin.
It's not "free"! You have to earn it. You're wonderfulness is useless here.
Now, this isn't very nice of me to be so specific. To show you and tell you all this.
Carlos would NOT approve. Carol might hate it also.
I'm sure Reni does. Miles, I have no idea.
I was part of faction #3, the "unclean" peasants. Just lucky to be there.
But we're at war here! Carlos is fading fast on google results!
Keep in mind. The reason it's bad for me to show you is, you might see something entirely different.
You don't need to doubt what you see.
ANYTHING you see that should not be there, is what you're after!
There's no such thing as, "That isn't right. Ignore that."
That's how they castrated people practicing Buddhism!
That isn't right! Ignore that.
And worse, phonies will copy my descriptions, making it very difficult to tell who's lying.
If you think they won't lie, look around for the list of "me-too" Naguals who plagued Carlos.
See what their claims are.
Yes, they will lie!
There's money at stake.
Book after book of lies. That's what they'll do.
They even get assistants to crank out more phony books.
You hearing me out there? What are you doing!!??
How are you "friends" with cleargreen?
Get a real job. Come learn some sorcery.
I suppose they believe the whole thing is made up, so why shouldn't they?
You can scoop that scary head into your hand, if you turn your head while you do it. Just put your hand, "under" It, and turn your head, so it's now near your stomach, sitting in your hand.
Blow into it, to make it brighter (disappointing, but it works with an echo delay).
Wave your hand over the room, trying to gather more purple light, and smear it on the head.
Keep that up, and it will form a body.
Keep that up, and it will stand up!
Set it down on the bed, and you'll die from the goosebumps that come, from watching it come to life.
Abandon hope all ye who enter...
It's more fun that way!
Creepy moves the assemblage point.
The picture of "what the IOBs really look like", is Fairy.
I found her. She was a corpse at first, but I talked her out of that.
Now, she's BEAUTIFUL!
Most of the time. Sometimes she warns me, by producing a scary face when I need to be alert.
Minx looks like 4 or 5 pretty blue small clouds. A few leftovers in an otherwise clear sky.
Carlos' scariest entity looks like a bar of golden light, around 3 inches wide, and covered in fibers.
Or, it can burn like a catholic candle at a distance, while projecting it's "face" closer to you, on "The Wall".
It's very difficult to see "precisely" what it looks like, because it keeps projecting what you expect it to look like.
If you stare down dreaming phantoms, it can appear in the chest of the entity, as if you pulled apart Super Man's shirt, and found his "S".
Weird?
For sure.
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Is that all an IOB is? We had a discussion about learning to see anime eyes a bit ago and you were wondering if I'd see IOBs not being a carlos ally and yeah I see faces like that all the time, especially since I trained myself to see eyes, I probably saw dozens of faces like that yesterday when I was playing with hynagogia. Poof of white or pale color, face in the middle, slowly shifting, then gone. Smooth, not much detail, never stick around for long. Sometimes a bit of animation. Saw one rotating around like in a chair. One slowly turning their head, one kind of blinking. Never much.
I can generally shape them to some degree by holding a concept in my mind of what I want it to look like.
So, here's the deal.
Hypnogogia is NOT an IOB.
But it CAN be.
Any dream character can be taken over by an IOB.
In dreams, they're called "scouts".
If your dream moves your assemblage point in such a manner that it releases energy that pleases them, they take over a character.
You can actually become sensitive enough to notice the disruption.
Everyone in the dream moves a little, to a position they weren't in a second ago.
Same happens when you are awake.
But you can't just see them. See the hypnogogic.
You have to PLAY with them.
As if they were real.
At some point it'll get taken over.
And you'll KNOW IT!
Your skin will crawl.
It will be like a Spielberg movie, when ET's ship lands.
Or the giant UFO blasts the music very loudly.
It's the shiver up the spine climax. Even classical music tries to do that. The climax of the piece.
That's the assemblage point moving!
Spielberg knows how to do that.
And in case you think, we'll, so what?
You won't be saying that, when it pushes over an object, while you watch!
They can push on stuff. I figure, about the weight of a dim sum plate, hydroplaning on spilled egg drop soup.
They can also lift a dim sum plate, so that only one edge is still on the table. I guess I could estimate the weight of that.
An ounce or two?
Or the weight of 20 drops of water, all gathered into a single, impossible, giant drop. They can push that at a 45 degree angle.
I've seen them push a full box of Klenix, which was resting on a smooth surface.
They can tap on your back, solid enough to feel it.
Dozens of them can transport you physically to their world, and you're out of here.
Permanently.
That's the risk.
But even hunting has more risk than that.
Driving your car is likely the same risk as kidnapping by IOB.
And if you get kidnapped, you get to live a very very long time.
Ahhhhhhh, I see. I think I get it now. So I'm close, but not there it sounds like.
I might have seen one a long time ago. I stayed at this hotel place and I was very tired, and I was trying to learn to astral project then. And first when I laid down to close my eyes (and I was very tired), I immediately launched into a full on dream looking thing, but I still was in my bed and I could feel my bed. But I saw an incredibly fast motion scene where I saw people running around a city while I had some kind of ariel view. And then the 'camera' started panning past many skyscrapers, and I thought to myself I wanted to see a girl, and I saw one right after sitting on top of a building just chilling. And I thought I was in a dream so I tried to move, but I moved in my bed instead and it immediately all dissipated.
And then I tried to bring it back but couldn't, but when I woke up later after falling asleep, I was in sleep paralysis, and I saw this orb of light and it like went in me and out of me and I felt a jolt each time. I was trying to call a succubus at the time so I thought it might have been that. It was interesting.
Never seen or felt anything like that sense (well the orb thing happened one other time I think elsewhere I think). I've had WILDs, I've had other cool experiences, but that one was unique in just how different and bizarre it was.
I was having goosbumps when gazing darkness, like often but i have not seen smth decent, only small yellow face like swirls but as some time some word or thought would pop up, it fade away. The problem is i start gain decent silence after hour or second hour of gazing, when my thoughts are calming down and at that moment i start to get tired and kind of disappointed with lack of results and finally i am stuck between two feelings, one is i feel like i'm almost about to see smth, other is dude you should go to sleep. It was fun when one night after 30 minutes of trying to see smth i finally saw smth reminding fluorescent smile in the air and i stood up and came closer, i decided to do some tensegrity movement in order to influence this effect but when i decided to try to scoop this light i saw that this was fluorescent picture of a chinese dragon on my wall.)) that's was the last clue in the coffin and i went to sleep.(
It sounds to me like you have some really cool advantages.
But you have to make it real. You don't "arrive" with sorcery, you have to keep practicing, to learn to actually use it.
People get obsessed with their inventories, thinking there's a new "secret" they can learn, which will help them.
There isn't. Even if you can do what I do right now, if you stop your assemblage point will return to normal, and you'll even doubt you ever did that.
It's one reason the Buddhists come across all the same stuff, but never become sorcerers.
Except the famous ones. Everyone loves magic! They base the entire religion on it, and then they ignore it themselves.
The orb was surely an inorganic.
I suppose there could be other things out there, but I haven't seen or read about any that don't fit into the sorcery description.
Except of course, made up things, like, "The Black Eyed Kids".
Everyone keeps discussing that on reddit, as if anyone had ever seen one.
The guy who had that cool encounter in the woods, and posted about it, is also a tiny bit obsessed with the black eyed kids, because he feels it's proof there are strange things out there, like the one he encountered.
But I went to wikipedia, and it said there were no encounters of any kind to speak about. It was all just made up, and perpetuated by people talking.
Orbs is like that. Lots of talk, but it's a very confused topic.
Best to observe them a bunch of times yourself, then you might figure out if they have any use.
My theme of the day (I'll repeat it tediously I suspect).
You CAN'T learn sorcery.
You can only practice it.
(not quite true, but it sounds kinda zen like.)
Yeah, I've experienced this with lucid dreaming too.. I picked up LD quickly like I was built for it, but I let the practice slip, and it's been an uphill battle ever since to get back to my former level of ability. I used to be able to lay down and see all sorts of vivid hypnagogic imagery like rotating wireframe cubes with my eyes open in the dark corners of the room and cartoon animals and stuff... I even picked this up naturally as a kid long before I was reading guides and books about it, but now it's a struggle to see any color at all, much less a clear shape. I wonder what changed.
I don't know, but I wish you'd describe everything you could do as a child.
I could use it in a side project. I'm trying to prevent children from losing their abilities, without society realizing what's going on until it's too late.
Hmm... well it's hard to say what I could do, but I can tell you about events and let you piece together what may or may not be.
So as a kid, dreams and dream control was something I was naturally good at. I flew by flapping my wings like a bird until my dad suggested I try flying like superman once, and then from then on I flew by willing it.
I've almost never felt pain or fear in my dreams, even in nightmarish scenarios, and rewinding 'time' and redoing events is something I've always naturally done.
I came up with a guaranteed method to wake up from any dream that feels like mentally slipping a switch in the back of my head as a kid. So anytime I didn't like a dream I could instantly wake up at will.
I have seen quite a few realistic looking things in that sleep paralysis stage. Once I was in my room and I had my window behind me and above my head with the moonlight coming through, and I saw the shadow of a humanoid troll like creature walk across, and I think I heard it growl. One of the only times I've actually been scared, but it went away. Once my room started turning into a cartoon. Like my hamper started animating and got cartoon eyes and stuff.
I once woke up and saw hovering lights outside my door and thought it was a ghost or something... kind of like the background to this subreddit, but a little more solid in the middle
The craziest time I woke up as a kid, saw my parents standing in the room, calling to me, I got really excited and got out of bed and ran towards them, and they vanished about halfway through my run... I was extremely confused.
Hynagogia was like a light show for me back then, although I didn't know what it was at the time.
Those are my kid times, but honestly things happened through my late teens -> early 20s too.
I used to be really good at getting impressions. I had several friends try and send colors to me a few times telepathically and I kept getting it right.
I once woke up with the impression that I was gonna meet 3 people of note that day, met two people, then spent 10 minutes pacing in front of a bookstore telling myself over and over that I knew I was supposed to meet someone there, then right after someone showed up who had something to tell me that I honestly really needed to hear (that he was disappointed in me).
I have been in a number of car accidents, including one that hit me as a pedestrian when I was about 18 while it was turning, and a semi that messed up my car and fractured my mom's hip (when I was a kid), and I was always uninjured.
Also, I dunno if it's relevant, but I once woke up and had the most random panic attack. I had this concept of a solid black pyramid like small enough to hold in my hands, but I was freaking out over my inability to crush it with my hands. Took me like 20 minutes to calm down... Didn't have a panic attack before that, and haven't had one since, so it's always stood out to me. I think the pyramid thing started off from some dream, but I got out of my bed and was sitting at the foot the stairs still freaking out about this for quite awhile after my higher reasoning should have kicked back in. I was a christian at the time, so I eventually fell back on some religious beliefs to calm myself down.
I suppose religion could be the common theme... the stronger my belief in the christian god, the weirder my life was.
Explain that in more detail if you can.
Both the lights and the parents were a sign of an IOB.
It might be a LOT easier to teach sorcery to children. Just teach them not to ignore things like that!
It was an "abstract dream". It's an obstacle to mastering dreaming.
I guess it becomes an asset at some point, but I haven't gotten there yet.
Hmm, it's really hard, but I'll try. It's like I mentally run my awareness starting from around the base of the skull in the back of the neck, and quickly run it up.
There's a lot of other 'optional' elements I think that I'm not sure are part of the actual switch when I try and do it while awake like rolling my eyes up to the back of my head, pushing my ears up, center of forehead down, to kinda make it feel like your skin is sliding up and over your head.
There's kind of a feeling of freezing for an instant, almost like I cut off circulation to my brain or something, but I can hold the feeling and it doesn't knock me out or anything, so I don't think it's actually doing that. I can also feel the muscles in the base of my skull actually flex. Maybe there is something to that.
I call it a switch though because if there was a switch there, it would be getting flipped. I don't actually imagining a switch or anything though. When I do it in my dream, the dream always ends in an instant, replaced by blackness.
I think a lot of it is intent though, backed by 30+ years of having my expectations met. I've never even had false awakenings with this technique. I have had false awakenings, but never after using this technique.
I came up with this technique I think largely in part because I can can do it in any situation or scenario, even if my dream doesn't have the concept of having a body.
You might be right. The basic concept boiled down to needing to accomplish a task so impossible, I couldn't even start.
I couldn't tell you if the feeling was what this abstract dream itself was supposed to be, or if the feeling was my brain's inability to comprehend this dream and the distress over that.
I've heard of the idea of dream gatekeepers, perhaps this unbreakable pyramid is mine. To be fair, in my dreams I was so used to being 'god' effectively , that running into something that I couldn't even affect would be pretty unsettling.
Carlos only casually brought up this topic, possibly because one of the more talented women had run into it and was having problems.
I went through a period like that for a couple of weeks. I'd travel in dreaming, but get stuck in an abstract one. Stuck for hours.
I suspect it's caused by doing more than you have the ability to do at this time.
Or, it could be a trap inorganic beings can hold you in. And then they can hang out while you're stuck there.
Too bad Carlos never told us more.
About your light switch.
I've asked around, and lots of children develop cool dreaming abilities, with specific things they can repeat reliably.
I'd say they do this as early as 3!
But some of the things are too abstract to describe.
And others seem random, like it's not a technique at all.
Of course, because of intent, anything can be a technique.
It would be interesting if someone got good at recap, and specialized in recovering childhood dreaming abilities.
Interesting to see them in more detail.
I could go to the inorganic beings realm I suspect. I'd been attacked at 5 years old by the typical monster under the bed.
After that I was so paranoid at night, I learned dreaming to protect myself. Not consciously, but that's what happened.
One of my techniques was to kick in a wall in a house. Near the floorboards.
Then I'd jump in, and go down a slide to some sort of chaotic region below.
I liked the creepy feeling of sliding down there, but can't recall what happened at the bottom.
I realize that I probably should make clear that the switch is something I can do even now, along with the rest of my dreaming abilities. I did however come up with the switch as a kid, which was why I mentioned it.
There's really two elements to my dreaming capabilities, one of which I've kept and grown because I can't really lose them, and one of which I've lost due to either lack of discipline or aging.
What I've really lost is my ability to consistently have vivid lucid dreams, and especially my ability to have WILDs. When I was... 18 or so (I'm 36 now), there was one night I had 3 WILDs in a row. Started to fall asleep, held onto my consciousness, had a stunningly vivid lucid dream where I saw myself in a mirror (and looked honestly similar to how I do now I think, along with a couple of words etched into the mirror in red ink that I can't remember. Woke up, wrote it down, then went back to sleep and had another one, where the blackness in front of me turned into rain ripples and then a city scene formed in front of me. Took off flying. Woke up, wrote it down. Went back to sleep, and this time as I was falling asleep I used the hypnagogia to form my dream like I was in the matrix... green wireframe models, I'd make requests, they'd change, and then I was in my dream. Don't remember much of that one.
And the annoying part is I've had like... 5 WILDs total. Maybe 4. The vast majority were on that night, but for some reason I stopped making dream journals religiously after my outstanding success and I've been chasing that skill ever since.
And mostly lost along with that ability was my ability to easily see hypnagogia. That's the really baffling part for me because I never really stopped trying to see it, but that ability has faded regardless. When I was doing weed for awhile, that ability came back and I saw all sorts of things again like I was a kid, but I've had to stop because I don't want to lose my job, so I've mostly lost that ability again.
But the other element to my dream capabilities I've never lost, because I discovered a way to train dream abilities without dreaming. I basically just visualize myself like I was in a dream, and then visualize the mechanics of the dream power over and over like I was training. And basically without fail, next time I'm in a dream, if I think of the ability I was training, I can do it just like how I was imagining.
Things I've done...
I learned to teleport in dreams this way. I couldn't teleport somewhere I was looking because I couldn't conceptualize how everything could change in an instant while I was looking at it, but I noticed that when I quickly turn my head, for an instant I lose track of everything. So I visualized myself looking down a L-shaped hallway that turned to my right, then I'd try and reconstruct to some degree what it'd look like if I was in the corner, then turn my head quickly to the right like I was in that corner going to look down the corridor to my right, and in that instant where I could only see a blur, put myself in that corner. First lucid dream I've had where I thought of it, I started teleporting down corridors with this method perfectly.
Then I came up with an object manifestation technique building on these principles by placing my hands behind my back, making the object appear, then bringing my hands around so I could see them. Made dream money that way.
The superman flight thing was something I basically used this technique to do as a kid too, it was just spurred by my dad suggesting I do it, but I definitely imagined myself flying that way before I dreamed it.
I got TK abilities in dreams using a similar method, only to be honest, it was from me trying to do TK in real life. Never succeeded in real life, but it works perfectly in dreams. It's turned into a way to reliably tell if I'm dreaming because I'll go to attempt telekinesis for fun, the object actually goes flying, I get really blown away for a second that it actually worked, then I realize I must be dreaming.
Super strength and invulnerability have come along this way too, just by picturing myself as a superhero all the time, I'd imagine.
I've managed to freeze time in dreams but I can't do so for very long. The hardest part honestly isn't freezing everything in place, it's getting everything to resume like time had never froze. Similarly, I've done bullet time stuff before, once or twice, but that's rare.
I can phase through objects, especially if I don't have to put my eyes through the object. So if I don't want something to affect me, I just mutually coexist in its space until we're separated again.
As an amusing sidenote, I learned to turn on and off the concept of gravity on myself as a kid in order to get down to the ground after I started flying. I could fly up no problem, but somehow flying down was so much harder, so I learned to just fall basically, but also stop falling if I needed.
The real barrier to my progress is the ability to consistently have lucid dreams, WILDS or otherwise, because I can imagine making portals all I want, but if I never think to try it out (or worse, I do but then I forget my dream), it does me no good. So I mostly stopped coming up with new techniques until I could figure that part out.
The cool thing though is that even without going lucid, my dream self has some concept that it's a dream ingrained, so I regularly pull out the basic dream powers even without fully realizing I'm a dreaming. Like there was one recently where I got annoyed and I just started hovering and force pushing building sized objects away from me like I was swatting flies, lol.
I want it for a project, so I may need to return some day, and ask you to redesign it to be more simple.
The witch I was using for the project either got cold feet, or had ulterior motives.
They always seem to.
But I'll do it myself if I have to.
No problem. Silence all day will restore that. I've seen it over and over with people who write to me.
That doesn't mean they succeed. Typically they learn to be silent enough that their dream world gets restored, but then life sucks them back in, and it ends up that I wasted years on them.
Here's another bizarre theory: Carlos knew he was going to fail, once he realized he was dying prematurely.
He embedded everything anyone needs to know, in those private classes.
For re-running...
Like I said, a theory only.
It's not. You see hypnogogic with a certain flexibility of the assemblage point.
The same kind of flexibility that being on your "period" can produce, which is one reason women can all be witches.
Here's another theory: We're born perfect, with oodles of dreaming energy and a flexible assemblage point.
But without magic in our life, that gets used up. Magic is needed to recharge that energy.
As we age, we get senile and energy-less, which produces all the complaints you have now.
Solution: Get your own IOB to play with.
You have the tools and a little more talent that usual.
Figure out how to restore ANY hypnogogia, and watch it in silence.
Just watch! If you can scoop it into your hand, that'll make it easier to watch, without moving on to something else.
When you can access dreaming worlds such as only silence can provide, "turning the head" is a common entry method.
I guess because it moves the gaze, and we feel that 100% when our head turns. Moving the gaze summons intent.
Last night I was burning dreaming snow again, and hit a solid object.
I was gazing hard into it, and it became solid, floating in the air in front of me.
I'd charged it up with intent, the instant my head turned towards it, while I was intensely gazing.
It works while awake too!
I supposed it's like the death defier building that village, complete with church, and the sorcerers of don Juan's party sharing it, to keep it real.
But you start with the first object. And only intent can create that.
You merely found a more fun way to produce it. The intending was when you put your hand behind your back, thinking in a few seconds you'd pull out an object.
But the disadvantage is, you're asleep and in a dream. That's not a particularly fun story to tell.
Awake is much more amusing.
Carlos liked to compress chi balls first, then cause the manifestation to happen in the middle of that energym, cupped in his hand.
The extra energy ought to give the object more realness.
You can do that waking too, but I'm afraid it may be that only the inorganics can move things for us.
Certainly a dreaming body can do that. Cholita can.
But to have your own dreaming double work as an assistant in a magic show seems very awkward.
So, get an IOB to move it for you! You just need to play with them a lot, using your hands.
That's why waking dreaming is superior.
I'll see what I can do, but I'd say the majority of it is moving your awareness to the back of your head combined with intent in one instant. There's usually a pop associated with the wakeup, sometimes audible. But it's not like the movies where the characters shut their eyes tight and wish they were awake for a few seconds, that kind of technique is just asking for false awakenings.
Depending on how I do it, I either roll my eyes up to the back of my head, or actually just try and move my eyes backwards... either way, it might be an important part of this technique.
I was telling someone just yesterday how I could use mindfulness to essentially shut off my thoughts by not resisting thoughts but not 'powering' thoughts either. I can't do it for very long though before I start making mistakes and thoughts start creeping in. When I catch it, I can of course shut off again, but I can't get lazy or I'll eventually find I've gone on a random nonsensical thought tangent for the last 10 minutes I can't even remember.
When I'm watching the hypnagogia, I think it's similar. I can clear my mind and make quick progress, but then the gibberish starts flooding in if I don't catch it and messes everything up, and the longer it takes for me to notice the gibberish is back the more progress I lose.
Is this the same kind of thing you're talking about? If it is, silence in the day is really a nice feeling in and of itself. Can only hold it for so long but everytime I do it, it's like I just woke up for real and there's a world around me that's real. The presence I feel for a bit is worth trying to extend with practice in and of itself, and if it helps with dreaming, all the better.
Would doing energy work with chi also help? I've done a bit here and there (started when I read a book called Astral Dynamics, and I also have a book called Tai Chi Basics that describes how to create Jing from chi which might be important).
I'll play with an IOB if I happen to get one though, but I've always thought I should do more energy work, just was never sure what it was actually useful for.
Do you mean going directly into a lucid dream from a conscious state (what I call a WILD)? Or going about your daily life while also dreaming?
Yes, exactly.
It doesn't matter what kind of "trick" you come up for yourself.
You still will have to struggle very hard to get silent.
But eventually it's automatic!
When you reach pure silence, you won't believe how wonderful it is!
Now, watching the hypnogogia can help make it easier, as long as you are silent some of the time.
The assemblage point will drift a bit, making silence easier.
If it drifts around 2 feet, silence is less important.
I can just imagine the Chacmools being outraged I'd say "2 feet".
I feel guilty myself!
Two feet? How can you say that?!
Fortunately, Carlos actually showed us in class!
I hope to demo his famous, "Camel Toe Assemblage Point Demonstration", using Cholita.
Cholita can summon the intent of very nice camel toe. She does it for me once in a while. On purpose.
As for the camel toe demo girl, at one point Carlos sort of demoted the Chacmools, and got 2 new women to stand on stage.
Anyone know if they're still around? That was when he brought in the sunglasses.
Those girls made it to heightened awareness. I'm not sure they realized it though.
Remember, it is very difficult to recall what happens in heightened awareness.
Which is a good thing for us! It proves more of Carlos' books. The part about forgetting all that teaching for so many years.
He took a lot of criticism from "experts" on that one.
So keep that thumb ready for a thumbs up or you'll be sorry. In heightened awareness you are intelligent enough to give the thumbs-up when needed.
But if you don't, a few minutes later and you're out of luck to remember what just happened.
Even seconds sometimes.
I wouldn't be surprised, years later, to find out Fairy had me in her world for hours at a time. But I didn't remember it when she put me back.
At first.
Later there will be unknown things around you, in a world you don't recognize anymore.
But by then you won't be a big cry baby.
You'll accept that "empty" means just that. You have to be empty.
It's not cozy.
Trouble is, Intent can't be manipulated fully, without being empty.
I think I'll repeat my bizarre theory.
Sorcery is for a tribal, hunter/gatherer society.
It works very poorly in a clingy, post industrial agriculture society, where everyone is required to cling to grandma forever and your every whereabouts are judged by a tight family structure that doesn't like magic.
We've been brainwashed by Hallmark Movies and sneaky women.
Well, you have me there.
In truth, I'm a grumpy egotistical bastard, who on hearing, "Chi", thinks, "What a load of horseshit!!!"
I was even thinking that when Carlos used the term.
They can't have anything worth while!!!!
And those Buddhists!!!!
That's my basic personality. Unless I'm doing the chi work, or I'm the Buddhist.
In that case, sorcery is nonsense!!!!
We all have to overcome that tendency also. The meditation police urge.
But yes. Chi Gung would help.
But not more than Tensegrity. Less in fact.
The Chinese have lost the real thing. No one can actually see the energy. So they're teaching blind, based on the last me-too chi-gung master.
You'd be much better off to do the tensegrity. It was designed by Carlos.
I'm already to the point that I may need to force myself to learn more tensegrity moves.
At one point I learned ALL of them.
They were designed in private classes before each workshop.
But I only have around 10 left in my memory.
And as it turns out, some have miracles in them.
"Building the Frame of the Energy Body" is nothing short of a miracle, if you can see it working.
No. I mean, you are awake, with eyes open, in a room that's a mixture of dreams, and the real world.
You're awake, but the second attention is allowed to come out.
So instead of being straight-jacketed by the Tonal, not allowing intent to show you other possibilities, you become silent, keep your assemblage point loose, and if you come across a very strong scent of intent, you can allow your dreaming attention to manifest it for you.
I had one student who came across an abandoned home (common in the forest areas of his state). He sensed a presence there.
He only got glimpses of it, and they were too vague to be sure.
But there was some left over intent there, and if he could do dreaming awake a little past my level, he could have allowed himself to pass back in time, to when that presence was still alive.
Or allowed it to materialize in his Tonal view of things.
That's sorcery! The ability to perceive ALL that is available.
Of course, that's chaotic.
But fortunately, no one is that good. You'll be lucky to pick up the intent of a single alternate possibility.
Which is enough.
I'm still hoping to pick up on the intent of gold nuggets!
There's a bunch of them in the hills above my home.
Trouble is, if you go to find them, you only earn $4 an hour doing that.
If you could see them under the ground, wow!
Someone pulled up a 1 pounder a few decades ago.
East Fork in San Gabriel Mountains, if anyone wants to give it a try.
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So does it happen with you? For ex. when you write something here in heightened awareness, is it surprise for you to read your own writings after getting back into normal state? Do you remember or forget everything?
I wouldn't even think to write something in heightened awareness, unless it was simply left over from the night before.
That's a noisy internal dialogue concern, which isn't possible if you've learned to play around in the second attention.
You kind of have to give those up.
But not 100%, so I'm exaggerating a tiny bit just to make a point.
Maybe an analogy would be better.
You find a weird cage-like structure made from faint lines of light, sitting on your bed in the darkness.
Another second attention rodent?
Those are not uncommon.
You decide to try to see what it might "look like", so you blow into it.
It glows yellow in the middle as you blow, puffing up bigger and bigger.
It finally turns into a perfect representation of a big, strong, well groomed cat.
Sitting on your bed!
Later, someone asks you, "Did you turn it over to see if it was a male or female?"
Being visually-oriented, that was very helpful... thank you for sharing even if not 100% accurate, and thanks for caring about this community... it's already hard enough to stay motivated through all the natural obstacles, I'm grateful that some people keep coaching, motivating and pushing us in this sub.
What might work would be to simulate what happened to Carlos.
Don Juan just "dropped him off" with Zuleica and Silvio.
He was stuck there. All he could do is what they told him to do.
I believe he was scooping colors a good 8 hours at a time, for weeks, each night.
So 1 hour on our part, once in a while, is only going to give us a taste.
What might work would be workshops where you're stuck with Zuleica and Silvio all day, and have to obey.
But we don't have those guys, and cleargreen is incapable of designing something like that.
Wow, thanks! I have seen something like this "reading off the wall" pic many times. But there was not any text or images just this thing pulsating, appearing and disappearing. Most likely need more silence.
The pulsating thing is your ticket to sorcery!
Play with it any way you can.
It's very versitile and powerful.
The puffs on the other hand, are rather mild. You actually have to take those into your hands and mold them, to make much use of them.
Carlos had a technique for using those to manifest objects, which is pretty much the same concept as burning a hole in reality.
Manipulation of intent.
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>Often it's accompanied by a gentle tap on the left shoulder blade, knocking you forward a bit.
>I guess an inorganic being (IOB) decides to give you a boost, and push on your assemblage point for you.
Blasphemy anyone?
How about this theory:
The Inorganic Beings (IOBs) taught sorcerers to tap the left shoulder.
So what some consider "bad, bad doggy!", a pet of the "Evil old sorcerers" are actually the only reason any of us have a chance.
They took pity on the old sorcerers.
And when they kidnap someone, it's because they know, in 100 years that person will be lost.
Fairy started out as my dumb pet. I had no idea I could ask her to do things, and she'd figure out how.
Now, she's treating me like a child who needs some guidance.
If anyone remembers the origin of this hatred of inorganic beings, I'd sure like to hear it.
I can't recall anything in the books that would cause the Castaneda public in general, to have adopted that point of view.
Could it be some from private classes, misleading people in chat rooms?
The Taiwanese Bosses' son is joking lately, that I'm spreading evil around the world.
In Chinese mythology (a firm part of Chinese culture in general), spirits are very bad to play with.
Of course, my opinion is, that's just Buddhists and Daoists making it easier to manage students, and giving themselves an excuse to charge more money for some magical spells, making the claim that if the spell requires invoking spirits, it will reduce their lifespan.
So you have to pay more money for those.
It's the alliance readers have with Don Juan striving for freedom above all else, and the inorganics considered by him as the antithesis of freedom...having their own ultimate agenda.
What that is exactly is up for debate, but only amongst those with direct experience. I still hold out hope that there's some other class of "higher" inorganic or whatnot out there that is willing to assist, that the lineage never associated with.
But absolute boundless (and possibly meaningless) freedom may be equally as undesirable, without anything worth doing.
Everything needs some kind of minimal purpose.
Can you show me where it says that?
I think the statement is tainted with conclusions that aren't in the books.
Don Juan just didn't like them. Julian did.
Seems like a draw.
I'm thinking, it's because of Gnostic thought on the Archons.
Cholita is convinced the inorganics control the world.
I'm convinced, they don't even know what "the world" is.
Or care.
They're just bored.
Leigh was fairly knowledgeable on such things, a famous private class student mentioned in notes on occasion, and liked to express inorganic being conspiracy theories in the Castaneda forums.
Maybe he started it?
Higher inorganics are better?
Maybe lower ones are!
A pet mouse rarely plots to take you prisoner. He might conspire for more cheese, but that's about it.
But your German Shepherd might. If you piss it off.
Can't argue with that! Lower energy ones are very likely a better and more accessible avenue, they just weren't the focus of the books. The scary powerful ones were.
The story of Elias and Amalia being bodily kidnapped, by ones of a certain persuasion, and having to be rescued also puts people off. But they were literally asking for it.
Minx and Fairy have become really good friends.
Carlos allies not so much.
But they're shared. Maybe they're busy with others most of the time.
I was playing with the dreaming fog last night, trying to understand the sparkles.
I stumbled upon dreaming snow. I don't know how else to describe it.
It was so thick, you couldn't turn your head 1 inch without watching a dozen tiny little dreams go by.
I wonder if that's another trick Silvio had. He could scan thousands of possibilities, and expand the one he wanted?
I got a little woried. It was so thick, I was a bit confused.
I called, "Fairy!", and she showed up in 1 second!
A minute later I called, "Minx!"
He also showed up but he looked a bit tired. I can't explain, but he was pooped. He was hovering just a foot or two over the floor, instead of up at the ceiling. He seemed to try to change to a nice genometric form for me, but all he could manage was to glow a tiny bit brighter.
Cholita had been on the rampage that evening, and just barely went to sleep a half hour earlier.
Is it possible to feel sorry for an inorganic being?
Everyone's worried about them taking prisoners...
Didn't Julian enslave his IOBs?
I don't recall that at all.
What book was it in?
I'm the only person I personally know who has been kidnapped. So I am very curious to read it.
We went over it here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/crt12l/what_is_boredom/exff1bb
Thanks
I've heard from other practitioners an idea about inorganic beings that can control human behaviour, like be implanted not as fliers though but kind of influencing,forcing them to act as inorganic beings want. Like nagual Krelman telling people on facebook abour dark sea of awareness and inventing magical passes for them, some one told me he is controlled by inorganic being, which take energy of his followers as a meal..)
No, he's probably just on a bizarre ego trip.
I'm afraid there's a lot of mental illness in the Castaneda community.
You can see it in here. New people come in, and they're 99.99% nuts.
Not all of them. I mean, the few that are nuts, are 99.99% out of here.
The old timers, some artists or computer nerds who never gave up, are pretty solid.
They just never heard that it's actually supposed to work!
But there is that, "volunteers are cracked" thing.
Unfortunately, that's all we have. Volunteers.
Except Cholita. She was recruited. And look at what good that did.
Yesterday she was wearing cute thin shorts, and I moved in a little too close, hoping to see how much camel toe she had going on.
It was just intellectual curiosity of course.
She yanked her shorts up very tight and said, "Is this what you want? Pussy???"
I said,"Yes please!"
Her reply? "Show me your pussy!"
Then there's Kylie, who got recruited.
But she was already volunteering for Ken Eagle Feather, so you have to question her sanity when she started out.
I hope you and JD go and kick some Eastern Bloc butt, once you can stop the world.
Maybe take up MMA, and go wrestle Krelman to make him prove he's not an inorganic being.
It's badly needed.
It shouldn't be possible for a "nagual Krelman" to even exist, if people weren't so impotent and confused.
They should be able to see through that in a second.
That's another possibility. This "inorganic beings are evil" idea is a logical extension of the Flier's myth.
Really, you'd think the opposite would happen. People would be eager to be as powerful as the old sorcerers, and embrace inorganic beings.
There's no way we're going to revert to cannibalism or chopping off heads.
And we all know that seeing energy is mandatory in the long run. The old sorcerers could not.
Heck, I'm halfway there to seeing energy directly already. It's not that difficult. You just have to put in 3 or 4 hours a day, for a few years. Same as you would to learn basketball or baseball.
So there's absolutely no possibility of us becoming like the old sorcerers.
Besides, the most cool, badass character in Carlos' books, is clearly the death defier.
Women get wet just thinking about him (see Carol Tiggs workshop notes).
The fake naguals make up all kinds of stories about the death defier, like he can split into 50 copies, which explains why a fake Carlos in Colorado is the real one and you should give him your money.
?????
If everyone loves the death defier so much, why the snobbishness about the old sorcerers?
The whole thing makes no sense to me.
Now, if you watch Apocalypso, you might have me there.
Those guys were pretty horrible.
I don't think ANY of them could hold an office job.
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Thanks Dan :-) Time will show. Still need to unturn many stones related to own practice before it could even be possible.
Let me post some quotes without saying any specific opinion, it would be better to get your comments on that. I am putting some random quotes just to answer a question on why people tend to be careful about the old seers and inorganics. It seems to be injected into don Juan's words. If you ask me - I don't have a clear opinion. Because at my little level of practice trying to determine what is what here would be unnecessary mental masturbation.
"We are going to be talking about awareness," he continued. "The Toltec seers knew the art of
handling awareness. As a matter of fact, they were the supreme masters of that art. When I say
that they knew how to fixate the awareness of their victims, I mean that their secret knowledge
and secret practices allowed them to pry open the mystery of being aware. Enough of their
practices have survived to this day, but fortunately in a modified form. I say fortunately because
those activities, as I will explain, did not lead the ancient Toltec seers to freedom, but to their
doom."
"He said that ancient seers were damaged by their aberrant insistence on staying glued to their
procedures, but that whatever they found was valid."
"Those old seers were terrifying men," don Juan continued. "I shouldn't use the past tense -
they are terrifying even today. Their bid is to dominate, to master everybody and everything."
"Even today, don Juan?" I asked, trying to get him to explain further."
"Wherever the assemblage point moves in dreams is called the dreaming position,"' he went
on. "The old seers became so expert at keeping their dreaming position that they were even able
to wake up while their assemblage points were anchored there.
"The old seers called that state the dreaming body, because they controlled it to the extreme of
creating a temporary new body every time they woke up at a new dreaming position.
"I have to make it clear to you that dreaming has a terrible drawback," he went on. "It belongs
to the old seers. It's tainted with their mood. I've been very careful in guiding you through it, but
still there is no way to make sure."
"What are you warning me about, don Juan?" I asked.
"I'm warning you about the pitfalls of dreaming, which are truly stupendous," he replied. "In
dreaming, there is really no way of directing the movement of the assemblage point; the only
thing that dictates that shift is the inner strength or weakness of dreamers. Right there we have the
first pitfall."
He said that at first the new seers were hesitant to use dreaming. It was their belief that
dreaming, instead of fortifying, made warriors weak, compulsive, capricious. The old seers were
all like that. In order to offset the nefarious effect of dreaming, since they had no other option but
to use it, the new seers developed a complex and rich system of behavior called the warriors' way,
or the warriors' path.
With that system, the new seers fortified themselves and acquired the internal strength they
needed to guide the shift of the assemblage point in dreams. Don Juan stressed that the strength
that he was talking about was not conviction alone. No one could have had stronger convictions
than the old seers, and yet they were weak to the core. Internal strength meant a sense of
equanimity, almost of indifference, a feeling of being at ease, but, above all, it meant a natural
and profound bent for examination, for understanding. The new seers called all these traits of
character sobriety.
character sobriety.
"The conviction that the new seers have," he continued, "is that a life of impeccability by itself
leads unavoidably to a sense of sobriety, and this in turn leads to the movement of the assemblage
point.
"I've said that the new seers believed that the assemblage point can be moved from within.
They went one step further and maintained that impeccable men need no one to guide them, that
by themselves, through saving their energy, they can do everything that seers do. All they need is
a minimal chance, just to be cognizant of the possibilities that seers have unraveled."
"As Genaro told you, the old seers were dreadful men," he said, rubbing his eyes. "There was
something they tried to avoid at all costs: they didn't want to die. You may say that the average
man doesn't want to die either, but the advantage that the old seers had over the average man was
that they had the concentration and the discipline to intend things away; and they actually
intended death away."
"He explained that the old seers discovered that it is possible to move the assemblage point to
the limit of the known and keep it fixed there in a state of prime heightened awareness. From that
position, they saw the feasibility of slowly shifting their assemblage points permanently to other
positions beyond that limit - a stupendous feat fraught with daring but lacking sobriety, for they
could never retract the movement of their assemblage points, or perhaps they never wanted to.
Don Juan said that adventurous men, faced with the choice of dying in the world of ordinary
affairs or dying in unknown worlds, will unavoidably choose the latter, and that the new seers,
realizing that their predecessors had chosen merely to change the locale of their death, came to
understand the futility of it all; the futility of struggling to control their fellow men, the futility of
assembling other worlds, and, above all, the futility of self-importance.
One of the most fortunate decisions that the new seers made, he said, was never to allow their
assemblage points to move permanently to any position other than heightened awareness. From
that position, they actually resolved their dilemma of futility and found out that the solution is not
simply to choose an alternate world in which to die, but to choose total consciousness, total
freedom.
Don Juan commented that by choosing total freedom, the new seers unwittingly continued in
the tradition of their predecessors and became the quintessence of the death defiers.
He explained that the new seers discovered that if the assemblage point is made to shift
constantly to the confines of the unknown, but is made to return to a position at the limit of the
known, then when it is suddenly released it moves like lightning across the entire cocoon of man,
aligning all the emanations inside the cocoon at once.
"My answer delighted him. He laughed and commented on his own fears of and aversions to
the inorganic beings.
"They have never been my cup of tea," he said. "Of course, the main reason was my fear of
them. I was unable to get over it when I had to, and then it became fixed."
"Do you fear them now, don Juan?"
"It's not quite fear I feel but revulsion. I don't want any part of them."
"Is there any particular reason for this revulsion?"
"The best reason in the world: we are antithetical. They love slavery, and I love freedom. They
love to buy, and I don't sell."
"in my previous works.
During one of our conversations, don Juan stated that, in order to appreciate the position of
dreamers and dreaming, one has to understand the struggle of modern-day sorcerers to steer
sorcery away from concreteness toward the abstract.
"What do you call concreteness, don Juan?" I asked.
"The practical part of sorcery," he said. "The obsessive fixation of the mind on practices and
techniques, the unwarranted influence over people. All of these were in the realm of the sorcerers
of the past."
"And what do you call the abstract?"
"The search for freedom, freedom to perceive, without obsessions, all that's humanly possible.
I say that present-day sorcerers seek the abstract because they seek freedom; they have no interest
in concrete gains. There are no social functions for them, as there were for the sorcerers of the
past. So you'll never catch them being the official seers or the sorcerers in residence."
"Do you mean, don Juan, that the past has no value to modern-day sorcerers?"
"It certainly has value. It's the taste of that past which we don't like. I personally detest the
darkness and morbidity of the mind. I like the immensity of thought. However, regardless of my
likes and dislikes, I have to give due credit to the sorcerers of antiquity, for they were the first to
find out and do everything we know and do today. Don Juan explained that their most important
attainment was to perceive the energetic essence of things. This insight was of such importance
that it was turned into the basic premise of sorcery. Nowadays, after lifelong discipline and
training, sorcerers do acquire the capacity to perceive the essence of things, a capacity they call
seeing."
Poor JD gets to be the straw man here.
It’s just too hard to write around it.
So don’t take it literally. I’m talking about some fake nagual guy running around out there, pretending to be a sorcerer.
Not JD. He gathered all this and that was a very good thing, since I’m not allowed to for the most part.
But that’s super easy to get over!
I had Minx, the inorganic Cholita picked up, making the most frightening gigantic faces at me a week ago.
I'll use GIMP to make a picture, so you know how REAL this can get.
You would have run for your life! Harry Potter would have run!
Minx was threatening to bite my head off.
He began to swoop in, with his huge mouth and teeth just a foot away from my head.
My reaction, after playing with inorganics daily for much longer than I want to admit in here, was this:
"Oh, this is a cool one! How does it work? It's super intense blue, but not ultra-violent like Carlos' allies. And the size is 200% of normal!"
For me, it was a machine.
I see ants the same way. Machines. I don't move my foot out of the way if they're too close. I want to see what they'll do.
If you don't panic, nothing.
Same as bees. If there's a bee in your car, you don't want to start screaming, "BEE!!! BEE!!!"
You'll get stung.
I was just curious about the technology involved in Minx.
It took the wind right out of him. He started mutating into other faces he thought might get a reaction, but none did. I believe he even tried a Chinese nun face.
Still not scary enough!
He could see that I had absolutely no reaction, other than curiosity.
Since then, he makes me fantastic machines!
I only just now realized it. I thought, maybe he'd picked up sculpting from Cholita.
But no. He saw I was only interested in "how it works".
So he makes all kinds of machine shapes for me to examine.
He figured out what made me tick.
Now he’s just technology.
One machine he made had a mobius strip around it.
It was a completely impossible shape!
It was floating in space, for me to examine!
It was almost as bright as the sun.
He lured me with something that boggled my mind.
So Minx, failing to frighten me, figured out another way to interact.
Fairy's done something similar.
Once in a while, she assumes full size and lifts her skirt.
Yep. She has no pubic hair.
That's all you have to do. Not be afraid. They'll adapt.
I actually don't see anything in your quotes to justify the worry.
It’s mostly, “those guys were really, really bad…”
There's no possibility for us to be like that!
We're pathetically socialized to be "nice".
I guess if some of you worry you’ll turn bad, or not be impeccable unless you keep repeating “impeccable warrior” to yourself, mindlessly, then ok.
You’re perhaps vulnerable.
But that seems like worry that pornography will cause you to go wild and rape people.
That's the reason for censorship in many places!
You going to go wild and start raping women just because you saw a naked picture?
I’m certainly not.
They keep you alive for 10,000 years at least.
We live 100 at most.
They'll move your assemblage point for you, when you have no one else to help.
They'll hold it in place for you, when you try to do something impossible.
They even comment on the results, making fun of you on occasion.
There's a calm intelligence behind them, not something sinister.
Besides, the old sorcerer escaped their world.
So did Elias and his double woman.
So did the blue scout.
Considering how pathetic the Castaneda community has become, how powerless, seems like it’s worth the risk to play with Minx and Fairy.
So far they only help.
True, Fairy has plans. But they seem pretty easy to foil.
Fairy's plans are no surprise.
Like any girlfriend, she wants her credit card bills paid off.
That's pretty easy to dodge.
I think, you actually have to give them permission in some manner, for them to kidnap you.
But your quotes are a little schizo, if the question is, why do we hate the old sorcerers so much.
If the old sorcerers were that bad, how come forming a dreaming double isn’t also that bad?
Don Juan puts that down too.
Why the inorganics, but not the dreaming double?
Don Juan condemned both equally!
I haven’t heard anyone saying we shouldn’t try to solidify our dreaming double.
I think there’s something else going on in the Castaneda community.
It’s all a fraud!!!!
And to make it feel more real, they’re involved in self-righteousness.
Impotent, they can posture to be self-righteous.
Anyone not feel that self-righteousness in Cleargreen these days?
Hasn't Reni been set up as a saint, and Nyei cast aside?
Even Miles wants to be a saint.
What’s with the “Dr. Castaneda” in his videos?
His name was Carlos.
He doesn’t need the degree from UCLA to justify himself.
He has MAGIC!!!!
Isn’t weird self-righteousness more like the old sorcerers, then people who just like to play with the real thing?
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I am fine with your sense of humour! :)) Sorcerers do have that. It is usually stupid to get offended when you can learn instead.
Well, it was actually a 5 minutes work. I have noticed that you requested some info on that several times already, so I have thought I could quickly go through ebooks and bring in some quotes to answer this question of yours. Maybe they are a bit odd, but that's the way many things are in the books.
The bottomline is - what do you think, why did Carlos put this emphasis in his books at some point? Was it a misconception of his? Or is it so that modern day practitioners misunderstand what that really means and just boost their ego with mental impeccability concept.
I myself don't have an opinion here. I did have one, but realized quickly that unless you learn to stop the world and see, tampering with this kind of stuff is only mental "me, me, me". So now I just don't play with those concepts as it doesn't help in real practice.
I suspect Carlos "planned" the books with someone else.
Maybe don Juan and Genaro, giggling the whole time, at how they'd manipulate the readers.
It's like how the Boy Scouts have genius coordinators, making up stupid stuff to get the kids motivated.
This badge, that task, start a fire with sticks, BBQ some marshmallows, memorize this code of behavior, wear this super cool junior version of the uniform.
But you have to earn the next level of super cool uniform!
It's as bad as Japanese martial arts hazing, with all the ranks and Kata's you have to memorize.
Japanese martial arts are impotent! They never win!
But people get fooled by the trappings of greatness.
I think Carlos tinkered with his books to "hook" us. He even said the books were designed to do that!
And then he said, "Now you're hooked. Stop reading them!"
It's going to take "re-runs" to straighten this out.
Just remember. Of all the people in private classes, I surely had the most fun.
Please don't re-run me.
I was a bad boy.
Yes you're right! I wonder why in the world people could follow this false nagual even without reading Carlos books properly...
I would say from 100% people i know that are involved in tensegrity all over the eastern block 80% are mentally ill people..
I escaped christianity, i ran from it and the only shelter i was able to see was nagualism, was i the volunteer? i don't know, i would tell i was forced by some force, thinking about suicide and one thing i am sure was given me by intent was excellent exemple from the type of pinches tiranitos chiquititos, with whom i'vve spent about 10 years in tiny room,working for a private aviation company, he was my colleague,driving me crazy and spanking my ego, i can tell me before meeting this guy and me after is totally different guy))